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The first Berchmans Award


CIFWatch is instituting the Berchmans Award to recognise the most antisemitic posts on CIF.

 A word of explanation: Berchmans is a permanent fixture on CIF. He is Scottish and a man of few words, but those words he has are guaranteed to be used to vilify Israel. Incredibly he denies there is any antisemitism on CIF and in Scotland (just look at the Scottish PSC which is vicious). Berchmans has never been banned.

Today’s Berchmans Award goes toThe Trustworthy’ on the Silwan thread by Meron Rapaport.

Thank you to the CIFWatch reader who pointed it out. It has now been deleted but (illiteracy notwithstanding) it is a graphic example of the kind of poster that CIF attracts. Maybe this poster was emboldened by Seth Freedman’s logical gymnastics in maintaining that the Aftonbladet organ harvesting blood libel was not antisemitic because it was directed at the IDF and not the Jewish people!

TheTrustworthy

31 Aug 09, 7:57pm

We all know land stealing is not new, but is Organ stealing new??

The hateful zealots, either muslim or Jew or christian will die their own way and we mustn’t associate religion/Race with their deeds.

About Organ Theft

Since there is no clear evidence in support of argument that IDF was involved in Organ cell of Palestinians, I think it would be very naive to conclude anything but mere speculation.

That said, Considering the barbarism of IDF and apathy of Israelis(population as well as gov’t) towards Human being specially of other race than Jew, the argument has good chances of being TRUE.

In support of the “barbarism” claim, I would like to remind readers, The 20ft tall Apartheid Wall, The Phosphorous bombing on civilian population, On UN hospitals, On UN schools, on UN food storage, the buldozed homes of poor palestinians, The group of Jew priests involved in sell of organs, the secondary treatment of its own muslim population. The segregation of muslim population to suppress any revolution from within, most importanly considering a Jew Priests view that if a palestinian human being/lesser humans organ could be used to save a Jew, then the organ must be used…………
I don’t think economist platform would be able to afford the long list of terror that Israeli regime has afflicted on its own muslim citizen and its farmer neighbors.

“Calling stealing of land as Natural growth”
I know this cheap argument is funny as well horrifying, funny because it’s farthest from truth and even discussing such absurd statement sounds madness and Horrifying in the sense that to what level Human being can go down to justify Stealing as Natural growth, Murdering as Defense….

 

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  1. I believe you make a huge mistake giving this low-life the time of day and even mentioning his name.
    He’s very careful to not be anti-semitic in his comments, just inflamatory with the express purpose of getting a rise out of people.
    You actually make the old goat happy with this type of “award” named after him.

    The very fact that CiF deleted the post should please you.
    Look, I think you folks did a fantastic job setting this up, and you’re bang on most of the time, but this is a mistake.
    Think about it please.
    You can delete this after reading it,and pass it on to others who decide things.
    It would be nice if laundry wouldn’t be aired in public, my apologies for doing so.

  2. Thanks 1peter.

    This is the age-old argument: ‘Don’t give it the oxygen of publicity’ versus ‘Sunshine is the best form of disinfectant’ (Chief Justice Brandeis).

    We are firmly in the Brandeis camp. CIF has way overstepped the mark and only public pressure will change things. The ‘oxygen of publicity’ is in our view a price worth paying.

    I’m surprised you say ‘The very fact that CiF deleted the post should please you’. Isn’t that setting your sights far too low? Remember, the chances were that it was deleted as a result of a complaint from a Jewish poster. Why should the victims of antisemitism be expected to act as unpaid Moderators?

    CIF should have premoderation and The Guardian should pay for Moderators, not exploit Jewish sensitivities by getting Jews to moderate free of charge. It’s tantamount to medieval bearbaiting.

  3. “He’s very careful to not be anti-semitic in his comments”

    Remember the time ‘Halgeel84’ wrote about “doctors with Jewish-sounding names cutting up white women’s vaginas for money”?

    Berchmans refused to say whether he thought this statement was anti-Semitic to any degree……….

  4. Well LWOJ asked me if i had any influence on CIFwatch and i told him i don’t but he jogged me into taking a further look at CIFwatch.

    Berchmans is undoubtedly a fanatical denier of antisemitism. I don’t think he’s antisemiitc though. I’m also not so sure that he vilifies Israel and he has for example spoken out against rocket attacks on Israel. he has had an obsession with Giyus in the past but stopped claiming there was a Giyus conspiracy on CIF when it was pointed out that Giyus don’t cover CIF.

    His denial of antisemitism or his excuses for it are pretty sad though.

    Just saying like.

  5. The award can be better explained if seen within the context of Cif and not by how antisemitic Berchmans is or isn’t in his posts It is about how his activities play interference for antisemitism on Cif.

    And here s why berchmans became the award:

    He is the automatic on call defender when another poster alerts the thread of an antisemite present.
    In fact, not only does he refuse to say: antisemite or say so without the qualifiers like
    “if occupiers were catholic, they would hate catholics”

    he goes even further to either label the alerting poster as one only trying to “make muslims look bad” or to post to the offending poster that he sounds like an Israeli-Ziomist spy attempting to soil Cif once more.

    The latter, especially if the post was more viciously and blatantly antisemitic.

    Berchmans basically defaults into the age old libel that the Jew cries wolf.

    Not that there shouldn’t be debate about what antisemitism is or when it can be applied. Sure. This site, I hope, will contribute to that debate as it will contribute to the debate about where Israel critique becomes antisemitism.
    However when there is an automatic response to dismiss out of hand, or worse, accuse the victim of causing the offense is a sign of real rot setting in.

    This pattern persists while he does not promote antisemitism with the intent of promoting antisemitism. That right there represents Cif much better as it also doing the same in many ways.
    They are not the Hamas magazine or DerStrummer.
    That would not require CifWatch.
    As we do not have DavidDukeWatch. There is nothing to watch or reveal about DD. There is no controversy or debate about where he stands and what he is trying to accomplish.

    This is about a much more common and yet much less discussed issue. The filtering in of antisemitism and the out of hand denial and explanations either following or preceding antisemitic discourse in the hopes that it will either go away or wash away the guilt of past history by examining Jews with a microscope daily to look for faults and clues.

    Stay tuned…

  6. 1Peter

    What do think about this one from Berchmans?

    Don’t think he was particularly careful with his Jew hate there.

    Berchmans

    03 May 08, 7:26pm

    MITNAGED

    .

    ##Would you give us the benefit of your towering intellect##

    .

    I disagree but I admire your honesty.*

    .
    ## as to why Hamas should hate Jews “now” ##

    .

    I’d hate them big style if they corralled my people, humiliated my folks ,made my dad stand and show his papers to a kid a quarter his age etc etc etc

    .

    ## the Hamas Charter which has absolutely no mention of Jew-hatred in it? ##

    .

    The HAMAS charter is a shocker. The *JEW-hate* is a gift for Zionists, but I guess HAMAS didnt see that as a difficulty.

    .

    Hating JEWS is OK if they deserve it. You make it sound like anti Semitism.

    .

    B

    PS * Stolen from Bob Hope.

  7. Louise, I didn’t say that the oxygen of publicity on CiF is wrong, I commend you and the others who make this place happen, I said giving mention to the fellow in the title is a mistake.

    Yes he’s careful not to word things in a way that he can be accused of being an anti-semite since all he really wants is to get a charge out of people. His silly sloganeering is predicated on getting the response he gets so he can, with a smug smile, show that there is nothing anti-semitic in his words, and he’s right.

    Hawkeye, your example is classic:

    Hating Jews is ok if they deserve it. You make it sound like anti-semitism.

    Well, it IS ok to hate a Jew if he happened to rape your daughter, and that will be his fall-back answer.

    Understand that each and every comment of his is empty innuendo, saying nothing and essentially proving only, that he can pass air through his teeth.

    This type of “award” just encourages the guy.

    What should be done is report each of his posts as trolling, because that is all he does.

    a few “report abuse” should get the mods scurrying and clean things up.

    Louise: Yes you should be happy the post was deleted instead of being broyges about it being on in the first place.
    If they pre-mod every comment, the accusations would fly that they censor commentary.

    Folks, I’m with you in general, I was put on pre-mod a few times and banned, knowing full well it had nothing to do with “community standards” and everything to do wiping the floor with them……just like so many others…..but there’s something to be said for not rising to the bait.

  8. Louise,
    “CIF should have premoderation and The Guardian should pay for Moderators, not exploit Jewish sensitivities by getting Jews to moderate free of charge.”

    I happen to believe otherwise, and I also believe all posts should be left up. I find myself in a minority opinion in this regard, but at the site linked up to my name here, theolive-branch.org (shameless plug), we don’t pre-moderate and we don’t censor either.
    When it comes down to debate we have something going for us that money can’t buy, the truth.
    Our narrative isn’t a “narrative” its history, its reality on the ground and not reverse engineered history which just cannot and does not stand up to scrutiny.

    I’d rather tackle the bullshit head on than censor it, because while you will never change the mind of the person who clings to their fantasy, you will change the mind of the other readers who are trying to sort it all out.

  9. Shachtman – ‘Berchmans is undoubtedly a fanatical denier of antisemitism. I don’t think he’s antisemiitc though. I’m also not so sure that he vilifies Israel and he has for example spoken out against rocket attacks on Israel.’

    He has spoken out against the rocket attacks being damaging to the Palestinian cause. Not against them actually happening.

    He has also stated ‘We in the west have reached a stage in our wars when ,because of technology, few of our own are killed as compared to the bad guys. The drones are the best examples of this cowardly abuse of power. I watched Woodstock last night and thought that there would have been little problem with Vietnam had it not been for tens of thousands of Americans dying.. whereas the trickle of dead in Afghanistan will ensure its continuation.’

    That’s not antisemitic but it does encapsulate the loony left mindset that is so well represented on CI(F). That looney left mindset plays along the fence separating antisemitic discourse from acceptable discourse.

    When Halgeel84 was ranting against the ‘doctors with Jewish sounding names’, Berchmans was active of the thread but didn’t seem to recognise the blatant antisemitism expressed there by halgeel84. He was uncharacteristically incapable of using the keyboard then.

    He does seem to pickup on any criticism of Muslims however. His ear is really pinned to the ground for that. One wonders what an old Stalinist finds so endearing about Islam that he hardly lets a single reference to it pass his exacting standards. ‘doctors with Jewish sounding names’ somehow didn’t register on his radar however.

    halgeel84 is still an accepted moniker on CI(F) threads by the way. A true tribute to the balanced moderation policy that CI(F) still claims.

  10. iPeter.

    I’d rather tackle the bullshit head on than censor it, because while you will never change the mind of the person who clings to their fantasy, you will change the mind of the other readers who are trying to sort it all out.

    True.

    It seems that CIFWatch is a brave attempt to circumvent the ‘balanced’ moderation policy on CI(F) which CI(F) uses to tip the scales of the discourse on their threads.

    I wish them every success.

  11. The post from “the trustworthy” is little more than reheated medievel blood libels, and is clearly anti-semitic by any standard.

    However, to use this scumbag to smear Berchmans is taking guilt by association to a new, vindictive level.

    Berchmans is not an anti-semite.

  12. Incredibly he denies there is any antisemitism on CIF
    ——————————————
    He also denies that the Hamas Charter is still valid and claims that there is a new one. Go and believe someone who talks such arrant nonsense.

    He is excellent at lauding anti-Israel contributors sycophantically whatever the quality or content of their articles. His admiration for the Guardian seems unlimited. These are his best points. Praise where praise is due.

  13. Exiled, Berchmans constant denial of anti-Semitism is itself anti-Semitism. It is insisting the victim hasn’t even the right to wimper.

  14. By the way, the “organ-theft” accusation is typical of the way anti-Semites twist a grain of sand into a libel.

    The Israelis did a sloppy autopsy 17 years ago, and suddenly they’re vampires.

    Among 44 corrupt individuals arrested near New York by US authorities, a single ultra-orthodox man has been doing organ-matching – and suddenly it’s an international conspiracy of organ-snatching rabbis.

    The Israelis make a “friendly-fire” mistake 41 years ago in the USS Liberty matter, and forever some label them murderers.

    Such hyper-scrutiny of any group is a sure sign of bigotry.

  15. 1 Peter

    “Well, it IS ok to hate a Jew if he happened to rape your daughter, and that will be his fall-back answer.”

    Its ok to hate the PERSON who raped your daughter. Saying its ok to hate JEWS as a collective is racist abuse plain and simple.

  16. Berchmans is certainly skewed in his attitude, but what did it for me was when he commented that he “would even give Anne Frank a blast” when he was drunk…. you can’t get much sicker and vile than that….

    He tried to back track of course, but many people saved that post, and wonder of wonders, Henry didn’t ban him.

    Just shows it’s not what you know, (or don’t know) it’s who you know….

    Incidentally – ExiledLondoner – being rather childish aren’t you? I saw your posts yesterday on CiF, resorting to playground/5 year old type name-calling and poking fun…. grow up and stop trying to look “big” to your CiF buddies. It’s hardly the stuff that merits kudos, is it?

  17. Poor ExiledLondoner…… your friend Berchmans is being called what he is and always has been… and you still feel you should defend him. Doesn’t make any difference that there IS actually a nose on your face – true to the end, you actually believe there’s a space where it should be.

    Frankly, the EUMC is only one “take” on what is and what isn’t anti-Semitism, (and I dread it becoming enforceable in any shape or form) but please, don’t insult Jews’ intelligence by thinking your “take” is the ONLY one. Deafening silence from Berchmans, I notice…. as always – I’d like to see him defend himself on a blog where the head cook and bottlewasher isn’t promoting his disgusting behaviour – wait…… did I just see a pig fly past my window?

  18. 1peter

    “What should be done is report each of his posts as trolling, because that is all he does. A few “report abuse” should get the mods scurrying and clean things up.”

    All this tells me is that you don’t have the faintest idea how CIF is operated

  19. Exiled.

    The post from “the trustworthy” is little more than reheated medievel blood libels, and is clearly anti-semitic by any standard. However, to use this scumbag to smear Berchmans is taking guilt by association to a new, vindictive level. Berchmans is not an anti-semite.

    Well.

    If you have decided that Berchmans is not an anti-semite, who am I to disagree.

    Georgina is waiting for you back at CI(F).

    Off you go now.

  20. Berchmans newest anti-Zionist message:

    Berchmans
    01 Sep 09, 4:54pm (7 minutes ago)
    Keo2008

    ## I don’t know why they are anti-semitic- ##

    .

    Do us a favour. One minute the proIsraelis are saying it is a Jewish state the next wondering why the millions of displaced people and the confined and abused folk hate Jews.

    You cant have it both ways .There is no way you can terrorise an entire people and be chubby cheerful innocents.

  21. Naturally Trustworthy is free to froth his antisemite slurs on this thread:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/sep/01/israel-palestine-boycott-film?commentpage=5

    TheTrustworthy
    01 Sep 09, 6:00pm (37 minutes ago)
    “Neve Gordon, a Jewish political professor teaching in an Israeli university argued: “The most accurate way to describe Israel today is an apartheid state.” ”

    Mr Gordon is not alone in accepting the different mode of torture that Israel has caused on its powerless neighbours and its own non-jew denizen. Uri Avnery, An Israeli and Jew MP has long been trying to oppose Israeli torture…

    I stated those two real life hero to remind readers that the anger mustn’t convert into anit-semitism.

    That said, there is no doubt that in present world, no body is suffering more than Palestinians, Land stealing has been defined as Natural growth, organ stealing has been going on for long time, Phosphorous bombs have been dropped on schools, hospitals, food storage to silence the innocent and hapless population.

    BOYCOTT ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL
    BOYCOTT ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL

    TheTrustworthy
    01 Sep 09, 6:20pm (17 minutes ago)
    Ain’t this waste to talk with Israeli supporters here after all these guys will be paid by their bloody government, whereas we speak in sympathy for suffering of Palestinians these guys make money to defend murderers.

    I know. He is an “anti-Zionist”.

  22. Seriously, don’t you all have anything better to do? I now suspect you all live in the same retirement home in North Finchley.

  23. “Seriously, don’t you all have anything better to do? ”

    Don’t you?

    (But you have to admit that they do it jolly well, don’t they?)

    To the Editors, the various CiF weasels’ attempts to defend the resident CiF basket case (what am I talking about, there are scores of ’em there) are highly entertaining and would make a great psychiatric case study.

  24. Louise
    1peter

    “What should be done is report each of his posts as trolling, because that is all he does. A few “report abuse” should get the mods scurrying and clean things up.”

    All this tells me is that you don’t have the faintest idea how CIF is operated
    —————————————————————————–

    You may be right…..or wrong.
    I will grant you that I definitely have less knowledge and experience with regard to CIF.
    I will also propose looking at the large number of posts by this particular gentleman that have been deleted by moderators, my guess is that the “report abuse” is what caused them.

  25. “I now suspect you all live in the same retirement home in North Finchley.”

    Aha – a troll with a sense of humour! Could it be Berchmans? Nah – he doesn’t know North London, does he?

    1peter was right not to keep feeding the troll of trolls.

  26. shachtman so what you are saying is that it’s possible to be a fanatical denier of antisemitism without being antisemitic oneself? Have you never wondered about why such a fanatical denier of antisemitism should magically stop short of hating Jews himself?

    Yours is a strange argument to make. You are saying, in effect, that Berchmans is a by-stander and therefore in no way culpable for any of the Jew-hatred on CiF, (although by his by-standing he feeds the CiF Jew-hating beast). I have read him “decrying” antisemitism on CiF, and believe me, I’d believe that pigs can fly before I’d believe that he means any of it, particularly in the light of the post quoted by Hawkeye.

    By-standers are in many ways worse than perpetrators because they give offensive behaviour a specious seal of approval by doing nothing about it.

    In this way I believe that Berchmans is an antisemite – perhaps not deliberately, probably from the depths of his addled ignorance, but nevertheless he is a Jew-hater. Anyone who can argue that Jews deserve to be hated for Israel’s behaviour has to have more than a few screws loose but that doesn’t excuse his by standing while others spew out antisemitism on CiF.

    And tell me, shachtman, why are you defending such an idiot?

  27. I stopped replying to Berchmans ages ago. His posts and replies simply irritate me so why give him the pleasure of a response?

  28. It goes without saying that there are far worse cases of anti-Semitism/ denial of anti -Semitism than Berchman’s on CiF.

    Berchmans, like other posters has developed his own ‘unique’ brand of comment and attempts to culture it with often misguided comments which I attribute more to his desperate attempts to be witty (within the confines of the paradigm he has created for himself)rather than any overt anti-Semitism.

    His understanding of the IP conflict is very limited. He is not a malicious individual, he has just latched onto a simple idea (pro-Israeli posters accusing critics of Israel as anti-Semitic) based on previous ‘bad experiences (being called an anti-Semite for questioning the actions of the Israeli government.

    I usually respond to him by parodying his style – and thus pointing out the absurdity of his comments.

    I don’t think a ‘Berchmans award is particularly appropriate. If one is looking for the worst offender, one need look no further than Moeran.
    ‘TheTrustworthy’ is just too plain stupid to merit any attention.

  29. Sdyk. Berchams is an old Stalinist who mourns the passing of the old Soviet Union and regards the US as the great ‘Soviet killer’. The US can never be forgiven for this and this approach is what drives so many in the Guardian management and commenters.

    You will notice that his entire approach to any political entity is based on that entity’s approach to the United States.

    It is the sickness of the looney left.

  30. Btw. ‘The Trustworthy’ admits to being a Muslim when he/she pops up on a new CiF Belief thread discussing Islam.

  31. Sydk hi: 🙂
    I don’t believe that anyone should be honoured by having attention paid to them. If the owners of this site believe they should it is their right to do so, however.

    Moeran and Berchmans have in common the trait of being able to stick cynically and obstinately to their chosen lies – Jenin and the UN school as well as the Hamas charter being this or that – and to ignore the proofs they are given to the contrary. They learn nothing and forget nothing. What is surprising is that they have fans who believe them.

    You can never under-estimate our opponents apparently.

  32. iloathetheguardian – Great site,reminds of a site called ‘Eff France’
    Stick it to them Cheers

    Hi.

  33. Cut Berchmans some slack,the poor guy is a basket case,We should always be kind to those who are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.I once offered to Send Berchmans a handbag to go with his Kilt/Skirt,I got deleted instead.,for my generosity.

  34. iloaththeguardian – got deleted instead.,for my generosity.

    I have often wondered about that. Berchmans seems to be ‘protected’.

    He seems to be able to spout vast amounts of banalities on CI(F) with impunity.

    He is sometimes deleted.

  35. Berchmans is scum. He makes the most inflammatory and racist comments and then goes running to the mods whenever anyone challenges him on these. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he hasn’t threatened the mods with lawfare should they dare to ban him.