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Its all in the title: Jewish conspiracy theory on the Tomasky thread


Oftentimes the title of a ‘Comment is Free’ article tells you everything you need to know about the kind of pond life that will be attracted to the comment thread. No more was this true when CiF ran a piece last week by Jonathan Freedland entitled “I knew the day the Holocaust ‘debate’ would come. Just not in my lifetime” that resulted in a comment thread rife with Holocaust denial.

In the same week, Michael Tomasky, the American editor-at-large of ‘Comment is Free’, ran a video blog entitled “New York senators turn down Jewish lobby’s invitation“, a piece which was used to promote the Guardian’s pet Jewish organization, J-Street, and bash AIPAC which Tomasky insidiously¬†characterized over and over as a very “powerful” organization.

Predictably the Guardianista commentariat were out in force using the comment thread to propagate Jewish conspiracy theory. The most egregious yet undeleted examples of this can be found in the selection of comments below:

AjayVee

21 Oct 09, 2:59am

I will probably not see it in my lifetime because I am already an old geezer but I firmly believe that within the next 25 to 50 years the Oath of Office for the President of the US will be amended (through a constitutional amendment) to include allegiance to Israel. As God is my judge I just cannot understand how the American dog allows itself to be so humiliatingly wagged by the tail. Was Ariel Sharon right in his bragging perhaps?

qualquan

20 Oct 09, 3:25pm

Unfortunately America’s economy has suffered grievously fighting AIPAC supported wars for Israel.
As long as AIPAC rules the US economy will continue to worsen with rising deficits, unemployment and homelessness.
When the pain becomes sufficient the US citizenry will demand a solution.

Not till then.

PhilipD

20 Oct 09, 9:09am

Interesting. I’m trying to think of another precedent in history for a small country managing so well to hijack a much larger and more powerful country to its own ends, you usually only get these things in biology (where they are called parasites). Future historians will have their work cut out trying to explain it. Its astonishing that loyalty to another country is seen as vital to ones political career.

But having had long experience of working within NGO’s, I’ve always found that when NGO’s start to compete with each other rather than cooperate, everyone loses. I would have thought the best strategy AIPAC would have towards J-Street would be a sort of condescending tolerance. But if they have decided to go for all out attack then it could backfire very badly on them.

rhysapgruff

20 Oct 09, 11:20am

Well if it is true that AIPAC have put pressure on these Senators then it’s definitley very sad, and indeed disturbing. As much as I support Israel’s right to exist, I’ve always found AIPAC’s influence to be insidious and an affront to democracy.

gipsylad

20 Oct 09, 1:49pm

If that is truth, then there is only one explanation, they are all sick of bumping into so many member of the Jewish lobby in the White House and Capital Hill [most of them are employed there by the Obama administration this days] that they find it boring and excessive to have to socialize with them as well.

kodicek

20 Oct 09, 1:55pm

AIPACS paranoia reflect Israel’s concience. Most of congress belongs to AIPAC and will not say the meekest thing against Israel or the US policy towards them.

Whoopsydoo

20 Oct 09, 3:34pm

There is not a single politician here in the US that needs reminding that even the slightest criticism of Israel is political suicide. AIPAC whistles and they come smartly to attention.

yard80197

20 Oct 09, 7:32pm

Is that surprising? AIPAC has most of the US government and many state governments in their pockets. So the officials go to where the big bribes are not where the little bribes are!

Now compare the above comments with some of the comments that appear here and here which have been taken from cached copies of Stormfront threads [warning do not click on any links in the Stormfront cached pages as they contain neo-Nazi hate material]. For those not familiar with Stormfront, it is perhaps the most prominent of all neo-Nazi white supremacist hate sites. Here’s one example:

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Hey, where else can you buy a 3 billion dollar foreign aid package and an entire goyim military to fight your wars for a few million dollars in political campaign contributions. Oy vey, Moishe, American politicians are such a bargain.

And what would a Jew-bashing thread be without Apartheid and Nazi analogies:

IRFANRAINY

20 Oct 09, 3:49pm

TO Missmarmelstein etc and other so called Liberal supporters of Israel and Zionism. Dear folks let’s not mix up Jews with Zionists, although the cross section is huge throughout the Jewish Diaspora ( I speak in support of jewish anti-zionists ). It’s identity based so one can understand it from a migrant and historical perspective as other ethnics groups do have similar issues.
Now as far as influence goes America is a business, run by the very few at the top, who dominate all aspects of political life and the legislature. A significant number are Americans jews, who are also happen to be massive entrepreneurs, are fully aware of how influence is manifested in this system.
Yes America didn’t really support Israel on a huge scale until 1967 but WIlson etc decades before WW2 did, so there has always been US support of Israel unlike British anti-semite Balfour and his chums. It realised that Israel was the perfect strategic attack dog in the Middle East, helping to keep Arab nationalists in check, keep the cheap oil flowing the and puppet regimes in Saudi and Egypt under control.
But understand, supporters of Israel, PEOPLE CANNOT MONOPOLISE SUFFERING FOR PERSONAL GAIN, the current system for Palestinians is far for worse than Apartheid, ask Desmond Tutu. The blockade in Gaza, where even school books are not allowed, is shockingly disgusting.
AIPAC is a huge part of the hawkish American elite, Obama’s chief of Staff is a Rahm Emanuel !! This whole question of lobbying is like asking Hitler to take sides between Mussolini and Stalin !
How can you be a left winger and be a prominent member of AIPAC, left in America is very centrist/right wing in reality !!

acme

20 Oct 09, 4:17pm

Dear Miss marmelstein

Jews and Israel are, and can be separate, not all Jews are israeli or Zionsit and indeed not all Israelis are jewish.

I have Israeli relatives who are older than the state of Israel and who are furious at the hijacking of their generous and open Zionist vision by an Arab-hating land-stealing olive-tree chopping (and sadly mostly American -educated) murderous bunch of thuggish settlers who are looking to get revenge for Schindlers List on mostly innocent Palestinians who have the illfortune to be the victims of their projected hatred

Then we have the Israelis are a bunch of racists, a CiF favorite.

IRFANRAINY

20 Oct 09, 4:59pm

Well Pastrami sandwich eater you do not take issue with any the points raised because you simply cannot, you can divert the attention away to the language used but not the hellish truth of Israel and it’s unique American support !

Bigfacedog again as above you are delusional in your statement ” AIPAC have a bit more influence than others..” lol. Again you perpetuate the idea of victimhood instead of being brave and looking at the horror of what the US and Israel does to Palestinians. The rest of the world is fully aware of wwho the racists truly are !

And we have TheGreatGigInTheSky rejoicing in the Jew-hatred on the Tomasky thread.

TheGreatGigInTheSky

20 Oct 09, 1:27pm

Thanks MT

Very refreshing to see someone dare to mention “Israel” on CiF in anything but glowing adoration, and not be censored.

There doesn’t seem to be a way of being critical of Israel’s actions, BTL, and keeping the posting up.

Interestingly, TheGreatGigInTheSky’s picture on CiF is “CiF Junky”, reproduced below. Big surprise there.

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Even more interestingly, the Tomasky video blog was preceded by an HSBC bank advertisement. Now I’m sure HSBC bank cares deeply about its reputation and would never advertise on a site like Stormfront so I wonder what management at HSBC would do if they were to see who their “target audience” really is.

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  1. Wow, nice selection you got! Very true that these comments wouldn’t stand out on Stormfront and similar sites — there are also some Russian sites like that.

  2. “PEOPLE CANNOT MONOPOLISE SUFFERING FOR PERSONAL GAIN”

    unless they are the proxies of the Palestinian fictions all these Jew-haters promote…

  3. Re: TheGreatGigInTheSky

    Its always interesting to see those comments on CiF that include statements like

    “I bet this comment will be deleted”

    or

    “you can never say anything negative about Israel without being deleted ”

    Or

    ” the world never says anything about the the suffering of the Palestinians”

    over and over again, and of course the comments are not deleted

    These comments are in response to the endless articles attacking Israel that just go on and on, with the same largely anti-Semitic mindless hamsters pushing the same anti-Israeli wheel round and round day after day.

    Good collection of comments for use the day that the Guardian has to stand in the dock.

    The current Freedman thread has another great selection of nasty and fallacious comments going there, though there are several complaints from various commentators saying something like:

    “Enough already – you’re boring us!!”

  4. Ariadne –

    re personal gain – someone called Ilan pointed out on CW’s thread about Whitaker’s comments on CIF that Whitaker, who is the person who selects the CIF articles, runs his own blog, with an Arabic title – al-Bab – the Door – on the side ..

    Talk about personal gain, lack of ethics ….

  5. Ariadne – that’s pretty interesting … he seems to have an axe to grind …

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url?_encoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-uk&field-author=John%20Strawson

    Partitioning Palestine: Legal Fundamentalism in the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict by John Strawson (Paperback – 1 Jan 2010)

    After the 1967 war, Israel organised an occupation with excessive legalism that most of the world viewed, in fact, as illegal. Partitioning Palestine focuses on three key moments in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: the League of Nations Mandate, the United Nations partition plan and the Oslo agreements. None of these documents are neutral but, rather, encode a variety of meanings.

    About the Author
    John Strawson is Reader in Law at the University of East London. He is the editor of Law After Ground Zero (2002).

  6. About the Author
    John Strawson is Reader in Law at the University of East London. He is the editor of Law After Ground Zero (2002).

    Sounds more like a writer who wants to make some money than an academic lawyer who wants to explain the legal ins and outs of this or that situation.

  7. There are at least two John Strawson’s and the author of the forthcomming book, Partitioning Palestine: Legal Fundamentalism in the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict is not General John Strawson of the 4th Hussars. I am an academic at the University of East London and have held visting positions in the netherland, Palestine and Malaysia – but have never been in the military.