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“Two Minutes Hate”: Melanie Phillips bashing on the Ed Husain thread


The level of commentary in ‘Comment is Free’ sunk to a new low in the Ed Husain thread on Saturday which witnessed one of the most venomous and hate-filled threads in a long time. The target of this hate-fest was Melanie Phillips, a popular columnist for the Daily Mail and author of the highly acclaimed Londonistan.

The pretext for the attack was an article by Ed Husain entitled “The personal Jihad of Melanie Phillips” which accused her of being full of “anger, venom and hatred” and having an “Israel First” mindset. This was all that was needed to get the Guardianistas fired up and ready to vent their own “anger, venom and hatred” directed at Melanie Phillips personally.

As RightWingZealot aptly observed,

It is simply disgusting to see the parade of odious leftie guardianistas queing up, one after the other, to denounce Melanie Philips and by doing so hoping to burnish their own right on, multi-culturalist, I’m anti-racist credentials. It’s like a perverse competition to see who can be the most PC, Islam friendly poster, by coming out with the most strident attacks and virulent denouncements of this columnist. This thread is the guardian’s own version of “hate hour” from George Orwell’s 1984.

What’s more striking is that not only did the Guardian moderators allow this to go on for hours and hours (not just Two Minutes) in direct contravention of their talk policy (the talk policy prohibits personal attacks on any individual) but BellaM, a Guardian moderator weighed in with a highly offensive ad hominem and defamatory attack on Phillips which helped set the tone for the entire thread.

BellaM

31 Oct 09, 9:53am

Staff

I imagine she’s like that character in Little Britain who is violently sick every time she hears the words ‘black or gay.’ Except for Melanie, the word would be ‘Muslim.’

So here are some examples of the outpouring of hate most of which were not deleted:

MilesSmiles

31 Oct 09, 9:20am

Melanie Philips’s zealotry and ignorance frighten me. How did we produce a public commentator filled with such anger, venom and hatred?

I suspect that, like Ann Coulter, she doesn’t believe most of this claptrap. But it does make her a lot of money.

To be honest, she should be prosecuted for inciting racial and religious hatred. She’s hardly better than Mr Griffin and his friends in that regard.

Voon

31 Oct 09, 9:27am

She’s certainly rather dangerous and aggressive and in a bad mood most of the time.

She ought to drive a Golf. It would suit her.

HerrEMott

31 Oct 09, 9:36am

Not for nothing has she earned the soubriquet Mad Mel.

gondwanaland

31 Oct 09, 9:46am

Melanie Phillips is pure poison. A racial supremacist who would be dangerous if she wasn’t such a cartoon bigot.

Better to laugh at her Ed.

BeautifulBurnout

31 Oct 09, 9:56am

Contributor

She is, to all intents and purposes, a British Ann Coulter, as MilesSmiles pointed out.

However, whether she believes the stuff she spouts or not is neither here nor there, really, because the effects of what she says remain.

So much hatred. So much spleen vented. Truly sad.

LordSummerisle

31 Oct 09, 10:03am

How many words does it take to basically say that Melanie Phillips is a bit of a twat? I agree with the premise but preaching to the converted in exactly the same way Mad Mel does in The Daily Mail adds the square root of bugger all to the debate.

Melanie has gone from being a tree-hugger during her Guardian days to ranter about climate change “totalitarians”.

Funny how quite a number of writers change tack depending on who they’re writing for. Were I a more cynical man I might come to the conclusion that they’ll write anything provided there’s a cheque at the end of it.

Janissary

31 Oct 09, 10:08am

Melanie Phillips accusing Obama of being a secret Christian is world-class comedy.

As for anti-semitism, Melanie Phillips would accuse her husband of anti-semitism if he didn’t do the dishes on time – nothing she says is credible.

Care in the community has gone too far – keep the mad away from the media.

WilliamAshbless

31 Oct 09, 10:22am

So why so you think her nickname is mad Mel? Because she’s called Melanie or …

JamesDickins

31 Oct 09, 10:26am

Melanie Phillips is one of the most vacuously aggressive people I have ever come across.

Moeran

31 Oct 09, 10:43am

I assume Ms Phillips will taking over Our Nick’s chair on Question Time before long. They have so much in common though maybe Our Nick is the intellectual one.

Its worth noting that a number of the commenters above including Moeran, gondwanaland and MilesSmiles regularly post antisemitic comments on CiF so their outpouring of hate against Melanie Phillips is quite unsurprising.

And you don’t have to scratch very deep beneath the surface of this type of thread to find antisemitic commentary:

yorkandy

31 Oct 09, 10:36am

why, Mr. Husain, do you feel that you have to state that you “support israel’s right to exist” ?

is this in order to get this comment piece actually published on this site?

wooden

31 Oct 09, 10:41am

How can you believe in a “chosen people” and not be racist?

When it comes to restring historical homelands there would seem to be two problems. If God gave gave Palestine to the Jews they can not claim that they have any rights anywhere else in God’s world at large.
If we give back the “homeland” on a biblical( Jewish History) basis who is going to lead the campaign to return North America to the Ist nation peoples or undo the property inheritance that follows from the Norman Invasion of England? The Jews?

JacktheNat

31 Oct 09, 12:15pm

Getting worked up about Melanie is rather a waste of time.

I know Jews who love her work and Jews who are embarrassed by her and make even stronger criticisms than Ed Husain. Ditto, non-Jews. She’s a living to earn and seems to know how to do it.

What seems a more productive use of time ahead of a general election and with the Middle East situation so urgent is to examine to what extent the parties depend less on the goodwill of Daily Mail columnists but on the backing of pro-Israel groups.

Lord Levy and the Labour Friends of Israel have been very important in the creation and sustenance of New Labour in the past 15 years. Will Stanley Fink and the Conservative Friends of Israel be similarly important to David Cameron?

If so, what are the prospects for peace both in the Middle East and for social harmony here at home?

http://www.thejc.com/business/business-features/interview-stanley-fink

MusabUK

31 Oct 09, 4:24pm

Brilliant and very courageous article.

Ed, by coming out and clearly and telling the Zionist Islamophobes where to go you’ve done yourself and many other British people a huge favour. Bravo!

Gondwanaland is correct; her bigotry is tolerated because it isn’t aimed at Muslims and Blacks.

And what would a CiF thread be like without its deletions of comments that do not comport with the Guardian World View (take note BellaM):

Kahina

31 Oct 09, 12:11pm

I will stand up for Mel anyday. Cif readers amongst their own may feel very comfy bullying her from the protection of their homes, but in the real world she is very, very well repected. She says things as they are and will not conform to political correctness.

Ed, it is easy to write from your computer but when confronted on with Melanie Phillips face to face on live tv you run. Melanie is not only articulate with the pen, but pretty powerful on live debates. She can dish out the facts and any opponent that doesn’t have their wits about them will be made into mincemeat.

Yes sabraguy, it is shame we don’t have more like her. The baying of the crowds on cif against Israel, the Jewish homeland, reminds me of the thugs of 1930’s Germany. They all deserve each other. Is it some coincidence that this piece was put out on Saturday morning, when a lot of people who might debate this article aren’t at their computers?

WendyMann

31 Oct 09, 11:58am (51 minutes ago)

Let me take your logic a step further. You say you don’t see what is wrong in hating a religion. So do you see anything wrong in people saying they hate Judaism? Or do you see that as anti-semitic?

I think its avalid expression to sayone hate’s Islam, Judaism or Christianity.

If people came on here talking about how Judaism was taking over the country, how were were allowing thousands of Jews to flood in and make demands for Judaic law, and unless we stopped it, they would change our culture forever? If people said was perfectly normal for the EDL to campaign against the building of synagogues because this was a Christian country?

One-eyed bigotry of the first water, Monnie. You have no excuse for it that holds water.

If Jews had made demands of how our society has to change in order to accommodate them then I’d expect and support a backlash against that. No religion that is alien to a country and which boast a tiny minority has a right to abuse the hospitality of its hosts.

I support the right of EDL to protest about the building of mosques because in some parts of the UK mosques dominate locales where non-Muslims feel alien in places where they and their families have lived for ages.

This has unfortunately popularised the BNP. Its dues to loud-mouth, in-your-face Islamists like Choudray, Bakri and the hate crew. It even extends to Dr Bari at MCB who compared the UK to ‘Nazis” as did Dr Naseem at the Birmingham mosque.

What Melanie forecast in “Londonistan” was accurate and can be seen in what followed by way of Islamist terrorism in the UK.

Over 250 people have been found guilty of Terrorism related offences in the UK. They are almost 100% Muslims. So, Melanie’s warnings have been accurate. (figures can be verified by Home Office and answers in Hansard)

So Georgina, Matt and Brian, do you wish to clarify what your position is on the Guardian talk policy when it comes to personal attacks on individuals that do not share the Guardian World View because I’m having a really hard time reconciling what I witnessed in the Ed Husain thread (particularly from one of your own moderators) with what is contained in your talk policy. Perhaps Georgina you should consult the Guardian style guide or better still perhaps your talk policy has been updated with the one I have here which parodies your talk policy.

In particular, let me take the liberty of drawing your attention to Section 6 of the talk policy which we parodied and which provides,

We will remove any content that may put us in legal jeopardy. Postings defamatory of Jews, Israel or neocons are an exception to this rule since we know that Jews, Israelis and neocons will never threaten to blow up our office.

The funny thing is that our parody of the talk policy is looking more and more like the real thing with every day that goes by.

24 replies »

  1. Had Henry, Whitaker and Seaton any sense at all they would be thinking about premoderating CiF – given the anti-Jewish racism they allow on there and to remain – because their moderators are clearly not up to the job of post-moderating it if Bella M is an example of one.

    That’s not likely to happen though because, and this is proof of how low the Guardian has sunk, they plainly don’t realise the offence they are giving.

    Each is part of the others’ delusions.

  2. “Two minutes hate” is an apt description of the Guardian’s savaging of Mel.

    Orwell’s “two minutes hate” was, of course, an example of Party-stimulated mob bigotry directed at the Jew Emmanuel Goldstein.

    Apparently, the Guardian could give Orwell lessons in the use of anti-Semitic hatefests to enforce the Party line.

  3. Hawkeye

    The neo-Nazis say much the same things about Melanie.

    Some light relief, I hope:

    (On the sexism of tsunamis, etc and with a comment by Zoidberg)

    “The Guardian’s Comment is Free really can be comedy gold, were it not for the unfortunate fact that it is people with mindsets like many Guardian columnists who are running much of the western world.”

    http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2009/11/guardian-beyond-parody-part-2.html

    Must read Part 1.

  4. In a response to one of my posts on global warming I got called a ‘f…g retard’. The posting was never removed, I guess because I didn’t endorse the new religion. Few days later I commented on a column by Tomasek or Tomasky by saying that whoever hired him should be sacked. The posting lasted a couple of minutes. No point in joining the zealots.

  5. I am sure that Melanie Phillips can take excellent care of herself and that much of this stupidity rolls off her like water off a duck’s back.

    I am also sure that I am not alone in my concerns about the fact that this hatred seems to be getting worse and even more visceral and that the Henry coven, by not acting against it, is embedding it deeper into the haters’ psyches so that it becomes commonplace.

    Can anything be done about this and if so what?

  6. Nikita: Quite right. Stay on Ci(F) Watch.

    Bavli: I think lots of opportunities have been lost so successful has been the Muslim and Arab financing of anti-Western, anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda. At times there seems a whole world of Hamasbaraniks out here. (Thank you, Hawkeye!)

    What someone has suggested is that an Israeli equivalent of al-Jazeera satellite broadcasting should be developed. But who would finance it?

  7. The Guardian is turning into a joke,especially these CiF posters,the disgusting anti Israeli/semitic authors,the moderators are insentient,except when it comes to a pro-Israeli post,then it gets vaporized.Let’s face it,the moderators are of the same mediocre standard as the whole shitty Guardian.

  8. From Richard Silverstein’s thread “Obama must try harder”
    He claims “as an Israel supporter” he has suddenly become an Israel supporter.On threads like his I usually try to find the nastiest silliest and most idiotic anti Israeli posters,they are invariably the same ones and there are too many to mention.
    There is the dopey postman,who is a permanent fixture on CiF,then there are these two women,moeran,and teacup,now this teacup she is just ditsy
    and mixed up.But this moeran she is a nasty piece of work,real nasty.

  9. You usually get to know how good someone is by the amount of abuse that they receive from the hate brigade of the radical left on CiF ,It looks like Melanie is very very good.

    BellaM,she is no bella regazza,but what does the M stand for.

  10. Yohoho – Had Henry, Whitaker and Seaton any sense at all they would be thinking about premoderating CiF – given the anti-Jewish racism they allow on there and to remain – because their moderators are clearly not up to the job of post-moderating it if Bella M is an example of one.

    Its very kind of you to mexcuse them of thinking but they know exactly what path they have taken.

    They resent that the UK electorate has all but rejected socialism let alone communism and has moved very much to the center with the free market supreme and various taxation projects to enable certain social structures to remain, the outstanding being the NHS.

    That seems fine to me but the Guardian is actually promoting anarchy in UK society by defending, if effect, extremist Muslims who are intent of the eventual Islamisation of the UK. (Bungle has always seemed to me a fraud yet they give him space as he tries to manipulate readers with his never ending about faces)

    I do not feel that a sizable proportion of the UK is really racist BUT, the inability of the mainstream parties to grasp this ‘bull’ by the horns is handing far to much influence to the BNP. Every time that the Labor seniors consider the true situation relating to creeping Islamisation, The Guardian is up in arms.

    They want to bring anarchy to UK society in their attempt to, at some point, suggest a return to ‘true socialist values’ to ‘Save the Nation’ without really considering the horrors that await the UK as Islamists are allowed to continue to influence the UK Muslims.

    The Guardian rushes to paint anyone who criticizes Islamists as racist and fascist. It is a knee jerk reaction from them because of their long term plans to encourage anarchy in the UK.

  11. The Ed Hussiens,the ugly burnouts,the bellam’s,the moeran’s,the berchmans,
    the beatondonis’s are so full noxious gasses,that it’s a wonder that they don’t self implode.

  12. Melanie Phillips has never tarnished all Muslims with the same brush. She has only ever targeted Islamic extremists, and has been scrupulous in distinguishing between the two.

  13. Bella M sounds like one of those naive 13 year olds who have just read their first political pamphlet and want to tell us all how clued-up they are.

    Only she’s not clued-up. She’s a naive idiot who defends racism.

  14. Compare the hypocrisy of the Guardian’s treatment of Jews with their use of anti-semitism eg there statement of fact in a news item that anybody who did nopt approve of what the Bosnian Muslims under Alia Izetbegobvic were doing was guiolty of “a kind of anti-Semitism”. They knew at the time that Izetbegovic was a former auxilary in Hitler’s SS & had publicly called for the genocide of all non-Moslems, both Christians & Jews.

    The Guardian uses anti-racist language to promote racism when it is useful. This may be one of the reasons the state keeps putting in an enormously disproportionate amount of advertising – without which it would not be.

  15. The venomous hatred directed at Israel and Jews today by the Guardian and their supporters is symptomatic of the hatred directed at any group, or individual (Melanie Philips) that doesn’t toe the line with the left today. I copied these comments out of the New York Times from the article, “Darkness at Dusk” by David Brooks (an article about conservatism), November 10, 2008 – and this is only a small sampling of the available comments:

    #218 I sure hope they pick more of the corrupt, racists and good ole boys like Haley Barbour to continue the rightward trends and that they keep listening to the Rush Lardbutts, homophobic, racist, sexist theocratic fascists and all the other pedantic, rigid, anti-intellectual, demagogic ideologues

    #256 The third party will be the mostly southern bigots, know nothings and religious crackpots that the Republicans relied upon for a base for 40 years.

    #252 The Republicans need to get rid of the Christian Nationalists, Christo-fascists and other fear mongering & hate breeding groups.

    #243 The Republican Party long ago came to represent fat cats, racists, bigots, and whites who wanted things to go back to the 1950s and for blacks to know their place and stay there.

    In the US and Canada, these posters represent the “far left” on the political spectrum, but in Europe, this kind of hatred is more common. Ironically, the “far” left exhibits all of the intolerance normally associated with right wing hate.

    This site (CIFW) directly challenges a growing hate group (in my opinion). As many of you have noticed, the Guardian moderators and posters don’t recognize their own intolerance.

  16. Neil – “The Guardian uses anti-racist language to promote racism when it is useful.”

    Exactly – “promote racism when its useful”, and with the I/P conflict, its always useful.

  17. I find it extremely interesting that it is necessary to monitor what is said in the Guardian newspaper. When I was subscriber to the overseas edition, many years ago, I used to describe it as the Guardian Weakly but having visited the UK on a number of occasions, I find the column “Comment is free” to be viciously biased and at times to presenting arguments which have no basis in fact and little in the way of substance. Perhaps they should say: comment is free but talk is cheap and that about sums it up.

    However, the ferocious attacks on Melanie Phillips and some of the blogs appended thereto, which you have highlighted, is absolutely appalling. Do the British people live in cloud cuckoo land? Do they not realize even after so many uncovered terrorist plots, which mercifully did not reach fruition, that the UK as a modern Western liberal democratic society is a target for Islamic extremists?

    Down here in Sleepy Hollow, educating the public is an important but difficult task. A friend of mine who writes on terrorism considers that the great Australian public will not be roused from their stupor until we experience a 9/11 or a 7/7. There have been to several major terrorist trials and half the judiciary appears to believe that putative terrorists are somehow victims. Melanie Phillips does her best to expose these people for what they are and we are the richer for her comment. The sad fact of the matter is that multiculturalism is doomed to failure when you permit a hostile counterculture to exist in your midst, whose sworn aim is nothing less than the destruction of all the freedoms fought for over centuries, such as parliamentary democracy (however bad that may be) freedom of speech, freedom of worship and so on. We share the Judeo-Christian ethic and as such, Al Qaeda and allied organizations have declared war on us: not just the US but every Western country that regards itself as democratic.

    Melanie Phillips does not need me to rise in her defence but as the saying goes, the only necessary thing for the triumph of tyranny is that good men remain silent. In my own way, I’m certainly not silent and I appreciate your efforts in trying to roll back what appears to be a horrible tsunami to be visited on our populations.

  18. Christopher J Ward – as the saying goes, the only necessary thing for the triumph of tyranny is that good men remain silent.

    Indeed.

    That very much sums up the situation in the UK. And the BNP, for instance, is using the failure of the mainstream parties to confront the serious failures of multiculturalism head on. Even David Cameron and his conservatives are somewhat afraid of clear condemnation of many Muslim organisations which present a fascia of ‘Moderation’ which hides people and ideas that are vehemently antagonistic to all the core liberal values of the true Western Liberal Democracies. Being antagonistic is one thing but many of these ‘moderate’ organisations are intent on replacing those core liberal values with Sharia inspired nonsense and cruelties.

    Perhaps another interesting site for you is Harry’s Place where they are very much dedicated to exposing the fumblings of extremism generally, left and right.

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