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Ban the Ant


Ever wondered what it takes to get banned as an antisemitic poster on CiF?

Last year Matt Seaton, CiF editor, stated to the Jewish Chronicle “[w]e have a zero-tolerance policy on antisemitic postings or any other form of hate speech.”

Ok. So if you were to make a statement denying the Holocaust, you’d think that would warrant banning. I mean its pretty much as bad as it gets in terms of antisemitic discourse. So when IllegalCombatAnt made the following comment, do you think he was banned?

IllegalCombatAnt

20 Oct 09, 8:42pm

Why is it that we are not allowed to debate the Holocaust?

Why is it that academics who try to do so have their funding cut off or lose their tenures?

Who came up with the 6 million figure?

Nope. How about if you defend your statement denying the Holocaust? Good enough yet?

IllegalCombatAnt

23 Oct 09, 11:22am (about 5 hours ago)

Now there we have it. I asked a simple question as to why debate is not possible and you fling out the accusation of holocaust denier. This is the tactic we see time and time again. Whenever there is any criticism or discussion that Jews/Israelis/Zionists don’t like they instantly start up with accusations of holocaust denial or anti-semite. You fit into this pattern exactly.

Israel is in denial over Turkish rage

illegalcombatant’s comment 23 Oct 09, 10:24am

ONeill70 23 Oct 09, 10:20am

At least that’s one ‘holocaust’ you don’t place question marks over.

– and of course we are allowed to discuss these events without some swivel-eyed Turk or Armenian throwing about hysterical accusations

The liberal Jewish challenge

illegalcombatant’s comment 22 Oct 09, 3:31pm

ONeill70 22 Oct 09, 12:56pm

“Why are we not allowed to debate the Holocaust?”

We are, you eejit! Holocaust scholars and academics across a range of fields do it every day. But here’s the thing – you’ve got to know something about it first. Debate is kind of predicated upon that.

The Holocaust is not a topic I have any particular interest in and certainly not in debating it and of course anybody who wishes to do so should have some grounding in the subject – which goes without saying really so I dont know why you raise the point. As far as Im concerned it happened and Ill go along with the figure of 6 million bandied about. The problem is that there is one official narrative and any attempt to deviate from that through debate or research or whatever is ruthlessly stamped on. Now you say debate IS possible but what do you have to say about the fact that even posing the simple question that I did warrants a deletion?

Some of the responses I received yesterday show who the eejits really are.

First small Townboy wades in:

There’s nothing to debate. It’s like arguing with someone who insists the Earth is flat.

Because as academics, they have proven themselves to be utter failures.

Then Linda Grant sticks her oar in with the killer response:

If a physicist said the moon was made of green cheese, or the earth was flat, they too would have their funding cut off or lose their tenure

The conclusion seems to be that if you wish to debate the matter you are the equivalent of a flat-earther or a total failure or you believe the moon is made of green cheese and therefore debate is not possible – Wow, I’ve really met my match with these mighty intellects! Others simply made do with the standard hysterical, frothing accusations of Holocaust denial. Bunch of eejits.

I knew the day of Holocaust ‘debate’ would come. Just not in my lifetime

illegalcombatant’s comment 21 Oct 09, 1:10pm

So my first post with three simple questions has been removed. Not sure why only after 16 hours it was they decided they were unacceptable.

I have been Carter-Rucked by the Guardian moderators of all people!

Nope. Now what if that same poster has a track record of making derogatory statements about Jews. How about if, for example, he thought that Jewish posters were paid agents of the Israeli government, like Brian Whitaker?

Israel needs the truth about Cast Lead

illegalcombatant’s comment 17 Jul 09, 12:18pm

BrianWhit 17 Jul 09, 11:55am

Staff Israeli Foreign Ministry to Hire Shills for Internet Warfare Squad

Thanks for posting that Mr. Whit. There is also the GIYUS organisation that performs an identical role in spreading Jewish-Israeli-Zionist propaganda.

Their site offers the co-called Megaphone software that issues alerts which results in the faithful swarming to sites to spread the “truth” – much as we see regularly on the pages of CiF.

I suppose the name Megaphone says it all – any discourse is invariably very loud and one-way only.

Iran will emerge victorious

illegalcombatant’s comment 23 Oct 09, 10:02am

Having an aggressive and nuclear-armed rogue state to its west it is imperative for Iran to develop a nuclear capability and the means to deliver it as soon as possible.

I knew the day of Holocaust ‘debate’ would come. Just not in my lifetime

illegalcombatant’s comment 21 Oct 09, 8:30am

Teacup 21 Oct 09, 7:39am

Anybody,
What is an “anorak issue”?

Teacup, I assume you know that an anorak is an item of apparel. They are commonly associated with trainspotters, people who meticulously record details of trains.

An anorak is therefore a person immersed in the minutiae of any issue – the subtext is that they are boring and pedantic. A bit like many of the unwelcome visitors to CiF from Giyus and other such places.

End this culture of Israeli impunity

illegalcombatant’s comment 24 Mar 09, 4:14pm

pretzelberg 24 Mar 09, 3:50pm

Unbelievable – especially as Danryan has already posted a dozen comments in the four hours (!) since he logged on to CiF! A typical case of outsiders suddenly weighing in out of nowehere …

It’s clear the GIYUS trolls have invaded this thread.

Changing the subject

illegalcombatant’s comment 04 Nov 08, 3:02pm

Why any mention of the Zionist misinformation campaign

http://www.giyus.org/

gets deleted sharpish on these threads.

Palin’s preacher problem

illegalcombatant’s comment 26 Sep 08, 3:13pm

But how many of the comments really are anti-semitic?

Here on CiF any criticism of Israel’s thuggish behaviour is generally met with howls of anti-semitism from the GIYUS mob that infests this site.

Still not enough to get banned. How about endorsement for the destruction of the State of Israel?

Israel-Palestine is already a de facto single state

illegalcombatant’s comment 29 Apr 09, 11:17am

Given that no less a figure than Ehud Olmert has questioned the long term viability of the Jewish state I think it would be more correct to say that time is running out for this implant into the Middle East.

The more so with the steady decline of its bully patron across the Atlantic.

Iran will emerge victorious

illegalcombatant’s comment 23 Oct 09, 10:02am

Having an aggressive and nuclear-armed rogue state to its west it is imperative for Iran to develop a nuclear capability and the means to deliver it as soon as possible.

Still not enough. How about some modern day Jewish conspiracy theory?

Talking tough on Ahmadinejad

illegalcombatant’s comment 29 Sep 08, 12:19pm

Yet more aggression against Iran?

One day the US is going to figure out the tough talking needs to be addressed to Israel. This thuggish little implant into the middle east has caused more misery and destruction than all the others in the region put together.

When Barack meets Bibi

illegalcombatant’s comment 27 Apr 09, 4:26pm

I think you’re being overly pessimistic Mr. Tisdall. Israel will most likely continue to have carte blanche from the US to grab yet more land and slaughter Palestinians in the process.

Still not enough to get banned. How about accusing Israel of sponging guilt money from Germany?

Thank you, George Bush

illegalcombatant’s comment 26 Sep 08, 2:10pm

Sabraguy Sep 26 08, 1:51am

Despite what some people like to believe Israel’s survival is not dependent on US aid.

Israel is an economic basket case and is indeed dependent on this rapidly sinking superpower. No less a figure than Ehud Olmert has questioned the long term viability of the Jewish state.

Just last year the Israeli government went cap in hand to the German government sponging yet more guilt money. The Germans rather cravenly gave in and handed over a large wad.

Cyanide on the table

illegalcombatant’s comment 10 Jul 08, 4:37pm

TheSchniz Jul 10 08, 03:45pm

” thewholeninethoughts in a thread about Israel refers to Israel’s ‘holocaust begging bowl’.

There is so much anti-semitism on CiF you get quite used to it but this breathtaking remark deserves a special a mention I think. “

@ A fair term I think and not at all intended to be anti-semitic. After all Israel’s basket case economy is kept afloat only by massive and frequent US handouts.

On top of that didn’t the Israeli government go cap in hand whining to the German government just last year to trouser yet some more guilt money? To their shame the Germans capitulated and dished out a few wads just to get some peace.

Still not enough to get banned. And what is more, other than one or two of these comments, they are all undeleted. Funny that because this is what Matt Seaton had to say in the same article  to the Jewish Chronicle:

“We devote considerable and growing resources to moderating out site, with the help of our users.

We do not tolerate any hate speech, and our moderators will delete comments which are antisemitic or Islamophobic or otherwise racist , as soon as they are reported to us or when we see them ourselves. That happens in minutes rather than hours or days.”

Is there something I’m missing here Matt or is it that your moderators share the same mindset as BellaM?

17 replies »

  1. Ever wondered what it takes to get banned on CIF as a pro Israeli poster .

    Not much,not much at all.

  2. The Guardian is only interested in posting items that agree with them. It is no wonder why Holocaust denial is always published in CIF. The Guardian editors don’t see anything wrong with Holocaust denial. My educated guess is that they agree with it.

  3. No2Genocide has posted many times – Israel carpet bombed Gaza, has had innumerable comments removed yet still appears with her vicious hyperbole.

    Try posting The Prophet was a pedophile and see how long you last.

    ILLEGALCOMBATANT typifies the kind of rampant antisemites and holocaust deniers who are happily tolerated on CI(F) because they are aligned with the GWV.

  4. What it takes to be banned for antisemitic postings on Cif? It’s simple: why do you think they have so many articles by Anthony Lerman et al denying that anything said against Israel or Zionism qualifies as antisemitism? So short of saying something like “oh, the Nazis did a great job at Auschwitz”, you can say pretty much anything you like, particularly if you are careful to avoid the J word and instead talk about Israel or Zionists…

    JerusalemMite, the problem with “the prophet was a pedophile” is that he was a pedophile at a time when nobody saw anything wrong with it, so by posting this, you are not making any worthwhile point. The problem is that mainstream Islam insist basically that whatever the prophet did is praiseworthy even today… Also, I’ve never tried, but I think that it would be actually more to the point to say: the prophet was a warlord — because that’s what he was, and even at the time, this was not really particularly saintly or spiritual, and it has pretty dismal consequences until today. Islam was, right from the start, set up as a religion that would provide the motivation and justification for Arab imperialism — but saying so would probably get you banned on Cif in no time at all…

  5. It is ironic that he talks of Giyus trolls because he is an excellent illustration of a troll himself, sitting patiently on his little ant heap waiting to go in and gather a Holocaust crumb, despite his attempt at misdirection ”The Holocaust is not a topic I have any particular interest in”

    The Guardian obviously doesn’t mind outright lies as long as they are in the service of attacking Israel. His comments about the economy of Israel are way over the top (and his cap in hand begging images of Jews are straight out of Der Sturmer)

  6. My educated guess is that they agree with it.

    Well they agree with it in one sense but disagree with it in another; they want the job to be finished, hope Islam does so, and would be overjoyed.

  7. Sababa – The problem is that mainstream Islam insist basically that whatever the prophet did is praiseworthy even today…

    I think that you misunderstood me. I am aware that what is considered pedophillia nowdays would not have been considered in any way negative in the time of the Prophet.

    It is however a historical fact and would be deleted from CI(F) very quickly.

  8. Margie et al, people who bleat about GIYUS is providing proof positive that they are bested in argument and cannot find anything else to say. It’s a bit like swearing, only substituting poverty of argument for poverty of language…

  9. ‘Illegal Combatant’ indeed. What a name. I am going to bet that he or she is not as brave when not hiding behind their computer.

  10. The Guardian crossed the line into downright anti-Semitism a long time ago. At the Guardian Holocaust denial, blood libels, and Der Sturmer style writing is not conidered abnormal. Indeed it is considered totally normal. The Guardian’s editors endorse this bogotry every day by repeatedly publishing Holocaust denial and similar lies.

  11. We don’t need to look far for evidence of lies, fabrications etc. by the Guardian staff themselves.

    How about the new article on the Goldstone report, with a picture of white phosphorus raining down on an unidentified building with the caption:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/04/united-nations-gaza-war-resolution

    Around 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed in the three-week war, which saw rocket strikes on a UN school. Photograph: Mohammed Abed/AFP/Getty Images

    There has not been a single proven case of a rocket strike on a UN school. The only case I can recall of a UN school being involved in an incident was of a mortar or tank shel that hit alongside a school from which Hamas were firing at Israeli troops (except for the schools Hamas booby-trapped).

    By the way – looking at the variety of trajectories of the phosphorus trails, the way a man is visible calmly walking towards the scene, that fact that the two in the foreground are calmly facing the photographer, this looks like another Photoshop effort to me.

  12. Akus looked at a picture of something that doubtless didn’t happen and yet has been thrown at us over and over.

    I was reminded today of something that did happen: the Al Jazeera disclosure while broadcasting during Cast Lead that a grad missile was launched very close to their studio – ie in a populated area. Isn’t it strange that this has been so comprehensively neglected by the media that Richard Goldstone didn’t bother to investigate it?

  13. Margie, Goldstone didn’t bother to investigate many important aspects of Cast Lead and his “investigation” was an infamy, not least because of his failure to interview properly the civilian witnesses from Sderot and also Colonel Richard Kemp.

    But he had made up his mind (and had his beady eye on a UN position) so he did not want to be confused by facts.

  14. Margie – I was reminded today of something that did happen: the Al Jazeera disclosure while broadcasting during Cast Lead that a grad missile was launched very close to their studio – ie in a populated area. Isn’t it strange that this has been so comprehensively neglected by the media that Richard Goldstone didn’t bother to investigate it?

    No doubt Goldstone will pass that off saying that Al Jazeera didn’t volunteer the information.

    I wonder what happened to that reporter. Must have been quite a scene when she reported back to her employers.

  15. In contrast, the CIF moderators have been trigger happy when it comes to deleting any posts that suggest there might have been a Islamic motivation to the shooting at the US army base.

    Just take a look at this thread.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shootings-hasan-muslim

    The only comments left are the ones defending this guy. It’s apparently “Islamophobic” to suggest Major Nidal Hasan (apparently screaming “allah akhbar” as he shot his victims) committed this massacre because he is Muslim or for a Muslim cause.

    Can you imagine the reams of moral outrage that would have appeared in the comments thread if this guy had been Jewish and they would have wasted no time mentioning his religion.

  16. Yawn.

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