Guardian

Antisemitic Cartoon, Antisemitic Moderation Policy


As if it is not enough that the Guardian published an antisemitic cartoon yesterday, in the accompanying thread, comments which attempted to challenge the antisemitism were summarily deleted.

Before I go through the deleted comments, I would first like demonstrate the duplicity of the Guardian by quoting Bella Mackie, one of the Guardian’s moderators  whom we recently exposed as harboring anti-Israel sentiments. In responding to the accusation that the “Guardian censors are removing all trace of posts that are [sic] do not agree with their political positions” she said:

Let me just state categorically, we do not do this. The Guardian has hundreds of staff, and believe it or not, there is no official position to disagree with. You only have to read any article to see lots of varied opinions.

Well Bella as they say there is nothing like incontrovertible proof to the contrary. Remember this is the same Guardian moderator that engaged in an ad hominem attack on Melanie Phillips in complete contravention of the Guardian’s own talk policy which Bella is supposed to be enforcing.

Anyway, the deletions begin first with MindTheCrap, a pro-Israel poster that was providing some supplemental links to the Belfast “Peace Wall” to make the point that when it comes to Israel and its security barrier, double standards are at play. His/her comment was deleted without a trace.

MindTheCrap

11 Nov 2009, 8:20AM

Sorry, I forgot to “link” the links:

http://everywheremag.com/photos/25987

http://citynoise.org/article/48

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/uncle_davros/the_world/1185137400/img_2157.jpg/tpod.html#

Then we have deewhy’s comment that picks up on the same double standards theme. This comment too was deleted without a trace.

deewhy

11 Nov 2009, 8:48AM

MindTheCrap,do you seriously think that there are that many here that would be interested in any other wall built anywhere elsein the world but in Israel.

Up there is another one of Steve Bell’s Masterpieces,that portray his great love for Israel.

And when deewhy attempts to rebut the trope that Israel steals water and land, his/her comment gets deleted:

deewhy

11 Nov 2009, 9:04AM

Stealing water and land from the palestinians.Now how many times have we heard that one before,and where.

The Israel stealing land and water lies are still there by the way (left unchallenged as a result of the deletion). Anyway, here’s another MindTheCrap comment that attempts to make the point again that there are double standards at play. Again deleted.

MindTheCrap

11 Nov 2009, 9:55AM

I see that the BBC has seen fit to remind its readers on the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall that the Belfast Wall is still in place:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8351569.stm

… one of the 42 interface barriers in Belfast, the most recent of which was built in 2008.

But for some reason Steve Bell thinks that Israel’s separation barrier is more relevant for Guardian readers than the wall in their own back yard.

For those who are unfamiliar with the height of the British Belfast wall:
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/good_friday/gallery3/01.htm

Then we have Jubilation1 also trying to argue that there are double standards at play. Again deleted.

Jubilation1

11 Nov 2009, 10:16AM

How about paying some attention to the wall of shame, built to keep out the starving and water deprived millions of Africa . This is the Berm of Western Sahara (also known as the Moroccan Wall) which is an approximately 2,700 km-long defensive structure.

Amazing how educational this is proving.

Then we had a guest appearance in the thread from Guardian contributor, Ben White.

BenWhite

11 Nov 2009, 9:23AM

Contributor

Thanks Steve.

http://palsolidarity.org/2009/11/9226

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/11/2009119151639325464.html

This Wall will also fall.

http://www.israeliapartheidguide.com

For  those of you not familiar with Ben White, I invite you check out his bio which can be found here. In short he is a real piece of work. He is on record for saying that he understands why some people are antisemitic, he has flirted with Holocaust denial and he has written a young thug’s primer Israeli Apartheid: a Beginners Guide which among other things recommends French Holocaust denier, Roger Garaudy. So understandably pro-Israel posters took issue with Ben White’s thank you note to Steve Bell for publishing an antisemitic cartoon. Yet the two posters that attempted to challenge Ben White had their comments deleted.

AdamSGNJ

11 Nov 2009, 1:05PM

Ben White – thanks for the scrupulously fair, impartial, balanced, non-emotive post. You might get another book deal out of the Berlin Wall analogy writ large.

FibularSarcosis

11 Nov 2009, 1:12PM

AdamSGNJ

Ben White – thanks for the scrupulously fair, impartial, balanced, non-emotive post. You might get another book deal out of the Berlin Wall analogy writ large.

Yes indeed.

Ben White has a world wide reputation for scrupulously fair, impartial, balanced, non-emotive writings.

Then we have SantaMoniker having a go at refuting the antisemitic cartoon. Again deleted.

SantaMoniker

11 Nov 2009, 1:16PM

The source for this atrocious cartoon has been noted here:

It is amazing that the there is this attempt to shift the focus from a wall built to trap people in a country they wanted to leave to a barrier designed to protect a country against terror.

And in any event, the barrier is a fence, not a wall for most of its length, and is in no way longer than the Berlin Wall.

Finally – shouldn’t a British newspaper focus on its own “Berlin Wall” in Belfast –

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/good_friday/gallery3/01.htm

Actually, I suspect the reason SantaMoniker’s post got deleted is because the “here” contains an embedded link to CiF Watch. You see the Guardian feels so threatened by what we are doing that they have an official policy to delete any post that refers readers to CiF Watch. Well actually thats not quite true come to think of it because the Guardian does leave up posts that talk negatively about us. That’s acceptable discourse. Truly Orwellian!!

Anyway getting back to the thread. Here’s MindTheCrap telling SantaMoniker about the Ceuta Separation barrier – the barrier that is built on foreign land (Africa to be precise) to keep foreigners out of Europe. Deleted.

MindTheCrap

11 Nov 2009, 2:16PM

SantaMoniker:

Here is another picture of the Ceuta Separation barrier, built on occupied Moroccan soil, in part intended to keep Africans out of Britain:
http://www.20minutos.es/data/img/2005/09/30/233948.jpg

Then we have another one from Jubilation1 listing all the other “walls”. Deleted.

Jubilation1

11 Nov 2009, 3:11PM

CiF often has a series of comments; like ‘in praise of ‘

Could it be that this is the first of a series of cartoons about Walls of the World?
Perhaps we will see cartoons showing the reason for building:
Hadrian’s Wall,
the Great Wall of China,
The Great Berm of Africa (the Wall of Shame)
the Peace Wall of Belfast,
the Ceuta Wall,
the Gibraltar wall,
the Cyprus wall
the three Caucasian walls,
the long and expensive hi-tech Saudi wall ($7 billion)
the Mexican/USA wall
etc

So what do we learn from this. Well on “Comment is Free” (by the way those inverted commas you see are there on purpose), you are not allowed to state that double standards are at play when false and morally repugnant equivalencies are made with the Berlin Wall. You see not only does the Guardian demonize, delegitimize and apply double standards (the 3Ds) to Israel but attempts to refute such blatant antisemitism are suppressed.

What else do we learn? Well the likes of Papalagi and Moeran can spew their lies about Israel with impunity. Here’s Moeran repeating the familiar trope that Israel steals land.

Moeran

11 Nov 2009, 8:09AM

That was a bit unfair to the East Germans, Steve; at least they didn’t build their wall in West Germany to steal their land.

Come to think of it, nor were West German children beaten up and imprisoned for throwing stones at it, as happened to fourteen year-old Mohammed from Biddu.

And here’s Papalagi endorsing the one-state solution, a solution which is subterfuge for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.

Papalagi

11 Nov 2009, 11:51AM

Pretzelberg says:

The Berlin Wall was erected to keep people in – the Israeli one is ostensibly about keeping unwanted people out. The actual route of the latter is hard to justify IMO, taking in Jewish settlements built against the will of the native population. But in itself it is simply a fortified version of countless other border barriers across the planet.

This is wrong. The purpose of the wall is like the purpose of a prison wall. It’s to keep people out of a territory and in the prison. The Israeli wall is a prison wall that is used to keep a population in a prison in order to control it, to subjugate it. It’s not a border wall, or it’s only a border wall like the wall of a prison is in a certain way a border wall separating prison and freedom.

That’s why the only option for the Palestinians now is to make an international campaign against a treatment which has been compared to apartheid by Jimmy Carter. Until now they counted with the American role in negotiations. The aim was to create two states in the region which would mean that the Palestinians would be able to have autonomy and freedom. Now it’s clear that the Americans are not willing to play this role. So, this solution is dead, there cannot be two states. The Palestinians have no other option than to fight for their rights to come out of the prison and to demand their rights.

They should elect representants and demand that they be accepted in the Knesset.

And finally here’s one by bill2 equating Communism with Zionism which is just as bad as equating Nazism with Zionism.

bill2

11 Nov 2009, 2:39PM

@peterNW1

“Communist wall = Zionist wall … they’re both walls, geddit?”

Communists=Zionists, geddit?

Both oppressors and murderers and bent on hegemony.

Of course none of the above three comments were deleted, because in Guardianspeak that’s acceptable discourse.

I originally wasn’t going to post the following image because the one fundamental difference between “Comment is Free” threads and Stormfront threads is that in the latter case “Comment is Free” threads are moderated. Well after the display of blatant anti-Israel moderation yesterday, all I can say is if the shoe fits…

stormfront-cif

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  1. A very solid case against the laughingly called Guardian moderation policy.

    If they called it the Guardian censorship policy and explained that it was designed to maintain the ‘supremacy’ of the GWV, I could have some respect for them.

    Then they would be telling us how it is.

    Instead they are pumping out platitudes designed to cover their rank dishonesty and obsessions.

  2. Excellent pattern-perception, Hawkeye.

    Do you know that my posting of 10.16 about the Wall of Shame (see above) was apparently so threatening that even the mention of the fact that it was there has been deleted? Generally, the name is left and an officious little note appears in place of the comment telling you that your words have been deleted. Not this time, oh no.

    I can only conclude that the moderators are aware of how heinous this particular wall is and know that if anything was criticised this should have been first choice. This is a wall that stops black African refugees seeking freedom and a new life in Europe: it is deeply racist. By contrast the Israel barrier is about the preservation of life, keeping the murderers from their prey.

    These cover-ups do no favour to a newspaper whose function is to reveal and not to conceal the truth. If they opt for the latter they are a propaganda machine and should call themselves that honestly.

  3. I want to clarify your reference to my deleted 8.20 comment:

    My 8:19 comment showed the links but I forgot to use the “link” option on them, so they were not displayed in ‘blue’, so I posted the links again at 8:20. The 8:19 comment was not deleted.

    —–

    MindTheCrap
    11 Nov 2009, 8:19AM

    At first glance I thought it was the Belfast “Peace (sic) Wall”, but then I remembered that the Guardian consistently ignores the embarrassment of its own occupations.

    For those who are not familiar with the height and length of the British separation barriers:

    http://everywheremag.com/photos/25987

    http://citynoise.org/article/48

    http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/uncle_davros/the_world/1185137400/img_2157.jpg/tpod.html#

  4. The Jew-bashers who work on/post on CiF are bullies. Like all bullies they are terrified of being shown up. Hence the deletions.

    Ben White “a real piece of work”? Hawkeye, I salute your courage, your strength and your understatedness.

    Has Ben White ever come up with an alternative to the wall in stopping suicide bombings? Surely he has an alternative, and doesn’t want them to start again?

    Keep it up CifWatch. I love you.

  5. These jackasses have no bloody taste whatsoever,bloody peasants who delete serious and brilliant posts,and allow nasty anti Israeli/semitic idiots like the moron,ben white,papadumbbum,and Co.to go on posting their repetitive mind numbing crap.

  6. Hawkeye is right to have posted the closing image. There is no discernible difference in the policies of the Guardian and Stormfront towards the Jewish people – unadulterated, incrrigible, bigoted hatred in both cases.

  7. Well done, Hawkeye for proving – and I use the word with care – that anything that may provide an alternate point of view to something as crude and rabble-rousing as the Bell cartoon is deleted.

    The community standards and participation guidelines can be found here:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/community-standards
    These guidelines are re-interpreted by the Guardian itself whenever expedient; it is not a level playing field. It’s their site – they can do what they wish of course.

    The posters above whose comments have been deleted and who wish to continue to post comments on CIF should be aware that their cards have been marked.

    While I totally understand that it is difficult to watch what is happening on CIF and resist from posting a dissenting or balancing point of view, it is an upsetting waste of time because, as this site shows, they are incorrigible. Many of the Guardian staff are slaves to fashion and idees recus while believing that they are ‘courageously’ ‘speaking truth to power’; that they are part of the ‘counter-culture’, that they are ‘right-on’. This helps feel good about themselves despite the fact that as journos they and their trade are despised throughout the land.

    The older and wiser amongst them know that they are merely positioning themselves for the middle-east/Arab market (cf the BBC) which will provide the advertising revenues they need to survive in the future.

    Chas N-B – slight error in your post! A preview/editing facility would be helpful.

  8. Well done for yet another incriminating piece of evidence.

    It’s about time someone from the Guardian crew give some explanation on the censorship of all these perfectly legitimate posts.

    What an absolute pathetic joke of a website.

    Dear CiF: Either shut down censorship, or shut down your stinking web server, for the benefit of free thinking and justice.

  9. Well, there’s a new Ben White article which we should all boycott (Ben is a big supporter of boycotts).

    Huge indignation because …

    A Palestinian woman has been sent from the WB, where she has no authorization to be, to …. no, not Siberia, nor to an illegal prison camp in China …

    she’s been sent to GAZA!!

    Obviously, a fate worse than death.

    You don’t believe me?

    There’s an article (an “editor’s pick” no less):

    Women worked to death in Lebanon

    Dalila Mahdawi: Four Ethiopian domestic workers are thought to have killed themselves in three weeks. Lebanon must protect these women

    Posted Tuesday 10 November 2009 21.00 GMT

    It has garnered a grand total after nearly two days of 53 comments !!

    Ben White’s article, after a few hours (Thursday 12 November 2009 11.00 GMT):

    Ben White: A young student deported from the West Bank to Gaza is just the latest victim of Israeli efforts to sever ties between the territories

    63 comments

    mostly repetitions and mutual backslapping by the same crowd of inveterate Israel bashers happy to get their daily fix of Israel hatred from each other.

    So – moeran, martynineurope, etc. are far more concerned about a Palestinian being “deported” from one area of what they think of as “Palestine” to another area of what they think of as “Palestine” than foreign women being worked to death in Lebanon.

    Here’s a clue to the reason why:

    The women in Lebanon are not Palestinian, so these moralist bigots couldn’t care less about the, and the the fact that they are being worked to death by Arabs excuses everything.

    Mind you, they don’t really care about the Palestinians either – that is just a useful excuse to cover their ingrained anti-Semitism.

    PS:

    Moeran wrote:

    The young woman in question is, I believe, a Christian. I await the outcry from US and UK Christians. It just goes to show that racism is not just directed at Muslims.

    True Moeran – its directed mainly at Jews and Christians.

    The real danger to this Christian woman, if that is what she is, is from her Palestinian brothers in Hamas, who seem to have the strange belief that there is no room for Christians in the Islamic paradise they are establishing in Gaza.

  10. Chas N-B – “…. Surely he [ie Ben White] has an alternative, and doesn’t want them to start again? ….”

    Chas, would you honestly want to wager money on that? I wouldn’t.

  11. One of the indicators of emotional maturity is the capability for insight, to realise how others perceive you and, where necessary, to modify your behaviour so as not to make people too uncomfortable around you. (This is not mutually exclusive with being outspoken and assertive however).

    Let’s argue that the Henry coven are mature individuals. If that is the case, then they have sufficient insight to realise how their behaviour in print affects reasonable people, Jews and others, and their choosing NOT to modify it evidences deep visceral hatred. I believe that Henry is a woman with a mission – to vilify Israel and, by failing to enforce her “talk policy” even-handedly – to aid and abet anti-Jewish racism.

    Having said all that, however, that the coven can so easily fool itself (and think that it can fool intelligent people also) into believing that it is even-handed – even in the face of the behaviour of Bella Mackie who seems to have the emotional maturity of a 10 year old – shows that something is definitely out of whack somewhere.

  12. A superbly gormless post from Geoff01 – our local Hadash security expert:

    ———————————————————————————————–
    Geoff01
    12 Nov 2009, 12:37PM
    To Mmmherring, and for that matter Rich1,

    Nothing of course to do with security concerns vis vi Palestinian gunmen and martyrs wanting to take Israeli lives then.

    So you check out her story, see that she is a woman and unarmed and is genuinely enrolled in the university and attends her courses.

    Quite simple.

    Perfectly OK to have security and human rights balanced together.

    It’s not OK to make life hell for 3.5 million people in order to catch those three or four terrorists.
    ———————————————————————————————–

    Dear Geoff, I’am strongly for your right to self annihilate yourself and I hope that during your short travel up to your creator from Tel-Aviv you”ll enjoy having a beautiful bleeding heart (pun intended), but please do this really recommendable act alone and don’t try to take along other Israelis.

    As you certainly know more than one suicide bomber were genuinely female, genuinely unarmed and genuine student. Or you had some temporary amnesia letting you to do a short brownosing on CIF in order to reinforce your pals’ faith in you and your unshakeable faith in the GWV party line? I hope that you can understand too (together with the author of the article) why are some people anti-Semites.

    Summing up your comment – the Hungarian saying that imbeciles must be very lucky persons because stupidity doesn’t cause physical pain – is perfectly applicable in your situation.

    FYI people like yourself are one of the main reasons (after your Hamas allies) that the Israeli peace camp has ceased to exist.

  13. Curious but predictable that self-confessed Christian and card-holding anti-Zionist, Mo(e)ron, is upset about this Christian woman and cannot find it in himself to condemn the systematic persecution of Christians in Gaza by his mates in Hamas for whose blood he would fight to the very last drop.

  14. Oddly, my comment on Steve Bell’s thread pointing to Shiraz Maher’s strong article on separation walls actually stayed up. I even managed to include a link to Saudi Arabia’s ‘disproportionate’ airborne response to armed incursions over its (disputed and barricaded) border with Yemen.

    It shows something, I suppose, that I expected it to be deleted.

    On the other hand, there’s a classic ‘Wall Street and Manhattan are Zionist occupied territory’ comment on Ben White’s thread. Wonder how long that will last?

  15. AKUS

    “The women in Lebanon are not Palestinian, so these moralist bigots couldn’t care less.”

    You got a little wrong -It’s because they weren’t enslaved to death by Israelis. If Israel was in conflict with Martians instead of the Palestinians, they would still cry over the deportation of a single Martian, even if a million Palestinians would have been enslaved at the same time in Lebanon. Palestinians are only “important” to Guardinistas vis-à-vis Israel.

    Amazing, isn’t it? One person being deported for suspected terrorism seems newsworthy nowadays. Probably a hundred people murdered by state-violence as we speak, and yet a single deportation is the talk of the day- Talk about squeezing that victimhood lemon to the fullest!

    I’ve read about human trafficking and slavery in Lebanon before. It didn’t stop the Guardian’s sub-paper, “The Observer”, to run a piece in its travel section this week hailing Beirut as some kind modern day miracle of beauty and wonder. I think I’ll pass.

    Speaking of “Islamic paradise”- They should revisit Beirut in 10 years time to see what kind of Shia heaven it turns out to be.

    And what ever happened to martynineurope? If I’m not mistaken, he used to be a reasonable chap.

  16. FooledMeOnce, we tend to speak as we find and, re martynineurope, I have not experienced him as you have.

    It seems to me that so many regular Israel-bashers on CiF are terminally confused (Sethele Freedman should be their poster boy).

    and “…Talk about squeezing that victimhood lemon to the fullest!..”
    this is the Palestinians’ being in the world, carefully encouraged and reinforced by their “supporters” who behave towards them as they might towards children with learning difficulties, who cannot be expected to take responsibility for their actions.

  17. Peter, you are correct about Azzam as a potental security risk.

    However, there is another reason for Israel nt to co-operate in administrative matters: The Israelis and Palestinians are in a de facto existential war, with the Palestnians far from being innocent due both to their intransigeance and to their genocidal delcarations ansd allies (Hizbullah, Syria, Iran).

    If the Palestinians want the benefits of normal, peaceful co-existence – such as administative co-operation, transit and visa rights, etc – then let them declare peace.

  18. Sorry, but this is crazy stuff.

    I found the Bell cartoon inappropriate – but where exactly are the anti-Semtic overtones?

    The problem with this site is that none of the regulars challenge such nonsense.

    “comments which attempted to challenge the antisemitism were summarily deleted.”

    And rightly so – because they’re barking mad.

  19. @ AKUS

    “A Palestinian woman has been sent from the WB, where she has no authorization to be”

    Says who? Why are you defending this move?

    Obviously this story reflects badly on Israel, and I genuinely appreciate your concerns about media coverage in general – but be honest: what has the woman done wrong?

  20. pretzelberg

    …but be honest: what has the woman done wrong?

    Probably nothing serious. She returned to Ramallah from Bethlehem without a proper permit – a very small and insignificant offense indeed –
    in normal peaceful circumstances.
    But I would like to remind you that the situation in Israel/Palestine is very far from being normal. If anybody (non Arabs too) is considered a security risk then events like this could happen.
    Here people say that we are not in Switzerland at the moment…means that we are in the middle of a war with hundreds of casualties, victims of loose security procedures.
    True the lady did nothing wrong probably, her Hamas. Fatah etc. compatriots did.

    BTW Switzerland – about a year ago I went from Chamonix to Geneva by bus. Sitting in the next seat was a dark skinned lady. Arriving to the border the officer who did the passport checks found something in her document. In ten seconds the lady was escorted off the bus pretty violently and our bus left without her. About a week later I saw her free at the Geneva airport – obviously arresting her was a mistake.

    I somehow doubt that CIF would comission an article about the event – but who knows?