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Bigot Brigade on the Tooth Fairy Thread


The bigot brigade were out in full force last week on the Ben White thread accompanying the fairy tales and lies of resident Jew-hater Ben White. For those not familiar with Ben White, he is infamous for claiming to understand why some people are antisemitic, he has flirted with Holocaust denial and cites French Holocaust denialist, Roger Garaudy, as recommended reading in his “magnus opus”, Israeli apartheid for beginners.

The first salvo of Israel-bashing began with a battery of charges that Israel engages in ethnic cleansing, a staple in the armory of the bigot brigade.

raymonddelauney

3 Dec 2009, 10:14AM

Another key organisation involved is the Jewish National Fund. Its UK website, for example, talks about how “the future of Israel lies in the Negev” and says the goal of the “major initiative” known as “Blueprint Negev” is to “revitalise Israel’s southern region”.

Now matter how you dress it up = ethnic “transfer” of the Bedouins.

Unless I’m way off the mark that is.

Topher

3 Dec 2009, 10:34AM

This multi-tined effort to uproot and spill-out the Bedouin population must surely be very worrying for moderate Israel. It certainly is worrying from the outside. The lexicon of the JNF is chillingly evocative of the veiled racism of the NF and BNP in this country; only in Negev this mantra is seems to have been actuated through local bureaucracy and enforcement. If, as seems to be the case, this ethnic-cleansing-lite is going on, it immediately poses certain moral quandaries. For example; to what extent are inhumane policies – ethnic cleansing to bolster a Jewish majority for example – an acceptable cost in support of religious nationalism?

JayReilly

3 Dec 2009, 11:28AM

If your goal is to remove one racial group to replace it with your own racial group, to improve “demographics”, why exactly is the term “racist state” so outrageous? Seems factually irrefutable to me…

Things began to heat up with the ethnic cleansing charge mixed in with Jewish conspiracy theory and for good measure application of the Livingstone formulation.

raymonddelauney

3 Dec 2009, 10:53AM

I confidently predict that by 2pm all of the posts questioning the policies will be removed – as per past experience – with the Israel lobby waking up in the USA.

Any discussion of Israel and its’ social-engineering attempts to have “a Jewish majority in all parts of Israel” are dismissed as kneejerk anti-semitism.

Over to you Epidermoid…

All fired up from earlier comments in the thread, we have another variation on the ethnic cleansing theme mixed in with well pretty much everything else you can think of.

ThePrompter

3 Dec 2009, 7:16PM

ONeil70, SantaMonika, pretzelberg, Jeff54, sydk –

Israel is a democracy, unfortunately it’s a racist, vindictive, bullying, land stealing, ethnic cleansing, child killing democracy.

I know there are lots of other regimes equally as bad, and I condemn them as well. But that does not excuse anything that Israel does. and, after all this article is about Israel, not the other rogue states.

And frankly your uncritical support for everything that Israel does disgusts me.

And what would a Ben White thread be without the apartheid analogy.

eggotheostrich 3 Dec 2009, 10:25AM

ONeill

Of course, if you’re just interested in giving Israel a kicking….

Never mind. 30 years ago, we all used to rant on about South Africa all the time. And then, one day it just stopped. I’m sure it will be the same with Israel one day.

lovemymod

3 Dec 2009, 1:43PM

the single biggest difference between apartheid SA and Israel is the calibre of the propaganda. it’s enough to look back on Verwoed et al and pity their naivite.

lovemymod

3 Dec 2009, 6:31PM

point well taken Epidermoid – I guess both Afrikaner and Jew were getting their orders direct from the same god so finesse is not either available or necessary.

And from the apartheid analogy we move to another regular feature of CiF I/P threads, the Nazi analogy.

BoredSilly

3 Dec 2009, 1:50PM

Maybe they could build a wall around the Bedouin…. they could call it the Negav
ghetto maybe..? It seems Israel has learned plenty from the persecution they
suffered under the Nazi’s and are now doing their best to use it against ANY
and ALL Arabs they can….. even the peaceful and easy going desert folk who to
the best of my knowledge have done NOTHING wrong other than exist.
South Africa in the 80’s was the same as Israel is now and like SA they will find
their position untenable before too long.

Then we have a couple of comments invoking the “chosen people” trope, the second of which mixes in some Nazi imagery.

MeandYou

3 Dec 2009, 11:33AM

What we should have concluded long ago, is, Israel is a Middle Eastern country, with even a harder Middle Eastern view of life.

They are even worse, in that they see themselves in the unintelligent view as a “god” chosen people and superior to all.

It is right therefore to conclude that Israel seems to prefer the “Wailing Wall” to Peace.

lolzorz

3 Dec 2009, 2:51PM

‘Chosen People’ isn’t really all that different to ‘Master Race’ is it?

And then we have a modern day version of the blood libel.

corrocamino

3 Dec 2009, 12:51PM

@rich1

hatred is irrational.

You might mention that to the rabbis who exhorted the IDF boys to kill everyone they set their sights on in Gaza, which some of them did.

I’ve never seen a cluster bomb. Do they come with love notes for curious children?

And not to be overshadowed by the likes of raymonddelauney and corrocamino, we have this from Berchmans.

Berchmans

3 Dec 2009, 2:44PM

Achilles0200

## Israel ticks more of the democratic credential boxes than its neighbouring sstates: ( sic) ##

She punches above her weight in many areas..democracy, health, education, settlement building, bumping off Muslims by the the kilo..

Heres to Israel… no mean country.

B

Then we have a comment from zendancer hoping for, believe it or not, a second Holocaust.

zendancer

3 Dec 2009, 5:06PM

I do look forward (if i live long enough) to reading the History of Israel (after its implosion – following withdrawl of support from USA) which will explain the conundrum of why Israel was protected for so long by USA.Yes,i know all the suggested reasons but, one day the truth will be out and then America -Land of the Free -will be shamed by the whole debacle.

And here’s some just plain vanilla Israel demonization.

myshout

3 Dec 2009, 6:23PM

The recent 60th anniversary of the coming into being of the state of Israel and the 60-year nightmare of occupied Palestine. Israel’s many supporters celebrated what they see as a great achievement. For them Israel has been a culmination of a dream dusted from amongst the ashes of Auschwitz, the grotesque anti-Semitism of not just Germany but the whole of Europe. A state born surrounded by hostile enemies survived against all odds in one piece.

The proponents of Israel believe it a democracy in nutshell and insist it is. A nation state fights terrorism as victim of other people?s terror and hate. Such a narrative would be a criminal distortion of the truth. Far from it, Israel is a state created through violence and remains a militant nation today, spending major budget on defence and security akin to a large military base not a modern nation addressing the problem of its people. Indeed Jews from all over the world voted with their feet chose to live in US and Europe preferring prosperity than living in Israel where every adult citizen (bar the ultra Orthodox and the well connected) undergo military service. Any wonder therefore Israel constantly attacks its weak neighbours bombing Lebanon in 2006 etc. back to the Stone Age.

And here are a couple of comments on the thread from Ben White himself. The first comment demonstrates White’s complete inability to address the substantive critique from certain pro-Israel commenters. Instead, White launches a personal attack intimating that the pro-Israel posters on the thread are simply propaganda agents of the Israeli government. Sounds kind of familiar from someone that is “above the line” eh.

BenWhite

3 Dec 2009, 1:33PM

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@sydk

For those individuals who are genuinely interested in learning about the Bedouin of Israel rather than having a lunchtime tirade against Israel, then you may wish to read the following article which unlike Ben’s piece presents facts figures and explanation…Some may say this is government propaganda, but then what words would one use to describe Ben’s article?

Some may say this is government propaganda? Surely not…

Source: Israeli Foreign Ministry.

And who is behind this ‘Jewish Virtual Library’?

http://www.israelcc.org/members/aice.htm

So for those individuals who are interested in learning about the tactics of Israel’s defenders when presented with the evidence for the state’s discriminatory policies – diversions, personal attacks – then you may wish to read comments on this thread by the likes of sydk, Jeff54, ONeill70 and SantaMoniker.

BenWhite

3 Dec 2009, 2:22PM

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Sorry Jeff54, I was talking to both you and ONeill70.

Look Ben if you can’t actually refute the facts that have been presented I think you should just gracefully bow out.

Perhaps I’m on the wrong thread. What “facts” am I meant to be refuting?

Have you read my article? Would you like to “refute” what it describes?

Well dear Ben. Here’s a piece of advice: if I were you I’d think twice about writing something like that lest you incur the wrath of AKUS and Israelinurse again who not only refuted your entire article but exposed once again that your Israel-obsessed writings are nothing but a tissue of lies.

And shame on Georgina, Matt and Brian for once again giving a platform to more Jew-hatred.

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  1. It is not a coincidence that antiSemites flock to Ben White’s columns. If you look at any CIF comments section for Ben White, it is always the same collection of antiSemites and sometimes militant Muslims who read White and swear by every word. White does not waste his time with code words. He just hurls invective and boiling rage at Israel and Jewish supporters of Israel with every sentence. Ben White is best described as a water pistol loaded with bile.

  2. Ben White’s threads always struck me as a great example of what The Guardian has become.

    The only thing that he lacks is not being Jewish himself.

  3. Ah, you have to give it to Bennyboy that he’s on to something when he darkly asks sydk: and who is behind this “Jewish Virtual Library”??? Ben, of course it’s the Elders of Zion — and that is the tooth, the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth!!! But Ben knew that all along…

  4. I have little time for Ben White, but nobody here has a problem with calling him the “resident Jew-hater”?

    Oh dear. Mork calling Planet Earth …

    Are you a Likudnik, Hawkeye … ?

  5. “Are you a Likudnik, Hawkeye … ?”

    No.

    And even if I was I don’t see what that has to do with the statement that Ben White is a Jew hater. Read what Ben White has written. Did you read his article where he flirted with Holocaust denial. Did you read his article where he tried to explain away why some people are antisemitic. And what do you have to say about someone that recommends a Holocaust denialist as recommended reading?

  6. Pretzelberg you are right Ben White is not the ”resident Jew hater”. He resides in Brazil so he is not resident on the internet. The rest is correct. It is not difficult to discern if you have a modicum of perception.

  7. pretzelberg, don’t you find it strange that White never writes on CiF about the cruelty to the poor in Brazil?

    Why do you think he ignores what’s going on in his own back yard and instead focuses on Israel and on honing his Jew-hatred? CiF can’t be paying him that much surely.

  8. @ Hawkeye

    “Read what Ben White has written.”

    I have, and I find him a pretty poor commentator. If it were up to me, I’d have him, Tony Lermann and Richard Silverstein removed from CiF.

    “Did you read his article where he flirted with Holocaust denial. ”

    Apparently not. Please do link to said article.

    @ Mita

    I believe I do have at least a modicum of perception (ta for that), but while BW focuses on Israel and writes biased articles I see little evidence to conclude that he hates Jews.

  9. Hawkeye

    You state categorically that Ben White is a “Jew hater”, saying “read what Ben White has written”. I’ve done that, and I’m not sure you have much of a case, tbh.

    1. “his article where he flirted with Holocaust denial”

    I’m presuming this refers to his piece from January 2006, ‘History, myths, and all the news that’s fit to print’. But what do you mean by “flirted with”? One definition I found of ‘to flirt with’ says:

    “to consider doing something, but not seriously, or to be interested in something for a short time”

    So are you saying Ben was denying the Holocaust – or ‘considering’ denying the Holocaust?

    2. “his article where he tried to explain away why some people are antisemitic”

    I presume you’re referring to an article he wrote in 2002, ‘Is It Possible to “Understand” the Rise in “Anti-Semitism”?’ A definition of ‘to explain away’ says: “to avoid blame for something that has happened by making it seem not important”.

    I can’t see where the article tries to make antisemitism seem unimportant, nor to try and remove the blame of those who are guilty of this. One of the reasons White gives for antisemitism is the “the shameful teachings of many in the Church”. The tone of the piece is clearly negative towards antisemitism which he refers to more than once as racism.

    3. “someone that recommends a Holocaust denialist as recommended reading”

    From what I can tell on the internet, this seems to refer to the fact that a bibliography in White’s book ‘Israeli Apartheid’ includes an essay by Roger Garaudy from 1977 in the journal for Palestine studies. First, the essay is nothing do with the Holocaust, and second, this was about two decades before Garaudy became known for Holocaust denial. Why should White have been expected to have heard of Garaudy, except for having found an essay he wrote in 1977?

    This evidence then, seems pretty weak. Especially given that White is also on the record as having explicitly condemned antisemitism as “inexcusably hateful and stupid”. He’s called Ahmadinejad’s antisemitism “morally despicable”.

    All of that is easily available online, as I found. So the problem is that you risk giving the impression that you are more interested in smearing White than faithfully representing his views. It’s one thing to have a go at White’s views on Israel – which you do on this site – but it’s another thing to say he is a “Jew hater”. I get the feeling that the only way you can get away with that is because this website is not visited enough to make such an accusation legally inadvisable. Stick to the critique, dump the smears and invective.

  10. Hawkeye

    You state categorically that Ben White is a “Jew hater”, saying “read what Ben White has written”. I’ve done that, and I’m not sure you have much of a case, to be honest.

    1. “his article where he flirted with Holocaust denial”

    I’m presuming this refers to his piece from January 2006, ‘History, myths, and all the news that’s fit to print’. But what do you mean by “flirted with”? One definition I found of ‘to flirt with’ says:

    “to consider doing something, but not seriously, or to be interested in something for a short time”

    So are you saying Ben was denying the Holocaust – or ‘considering’ denying the Holocaust?

    2. “his article where he tried to explain away why some people are antisemitic”

    Again, I presume you’re referring to an article he wrote in 2002, ‘Is It Possible to “Understand”
    the Rise in “Anti-Semitism”?’ A definition of ‘to explain away’ says: “to avoid blame for something that has happened by making it seem not important”.

    Now, I can’t see where the article tries to make antisemitism seem unimportant, nor to try and remove the blame of those who are guilty of this. One of the reasons White gives for antisemitism is the “the shameful teachings of many in the Church”. The tone of the piece is clearly negative towards antisemitism which he refers to more than once as racism.

    3. “someone that recommends a Holocaust denialist as recommended reading”

    From what I can tell on the internet, this seems to refer to the fact that a bibliography in White’s book ‘Israeli Apartheid’ includes an essay by Roger Garaudy from 1977 in the journal for Palestine studies. First, the essay is nothing do with the Holocaust, and second, this was about two decades before Garaudy became known for Holocaust denial. Why should White have been expected to have heard of Garaudy, except for having found an essay he wrote in 1977?

    This evidence then, seems pretty weak. Especially given that White is also on the record as having explicitly condemned antisemitism as “inexcusably hateful and stupid”. He’s called Ahmadinejad’s antisemitism “morally despicable”.

    All of that is easily available online, as I found. So the problem is that you risk giving the impression that you are more interested in smearing White than faithfully representing his views. It’s one thing to have a go at White’s views on Israel – which you do on this site – but it’s another thing to say he is a “Jew hater”. I get the feeling that the only way you can get away with that is because this website is not visited enough to make such an accusation legally inadvisable. Stick to the critique, dump the smears and invective.