Guardian

CiF Whispers – Part I


On December 27th 2009, an editorial from the Guardian’s weekend sister paper The Observer appeared on CiF, entitled ‘One year on, we need progress in Gaza’. I am always interested in these editorials because in my view they provide a clear insight into the mindset inside the Guardian offices and cannot be excused or dismissed as mere opinion pieces by guest writers. They also serve to illustrate very clearly the manner in which the Guardian itself promotes a warped version of events in the Middle East which then become ‘fact’ in the minds of so many of its readers, reminding me somewhat of that old party game ‘Chinese whispers’.

There isn’t a single paragraph of this editorial which does not contain some distortion of the truth, vital omission or downright lie.

“IN THE 12 months since Israel’s devastating assault on Gaza in Operation Cast Lead,…” Absolutely no mention of the events leading up to Cast Lead and the 8 years of attacks out of Gaza on Israeli civilians. “The Israeli economic siege has remained in place since Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian elections and enforced its rule within Gaza.” No mention of the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit on June 25, 2006 or the barbaric methods used by Hamas to consolidate their tyrannical rule over Gaza, which did not come about through the ballot box.

“The economy is dependent on the Hamas-regulated warren of tunnels on the southern border with Egypt.” No mention of the fact that these tunnels are used to smuggle weapons into the Gaza strip or the fact that Egypt also keeps a closed border with Gaza.

“Rocket fire by the Palestinian factions has finally been halted,..” Actually, it hasn’t. Although things have undoubtedly been easier for Israelis in the south this year, since the end of Cast Lead some 127 rockets and 70 mortars have been fired into Israeli territory. Whilst Israelis may be pleased with what has been termed ‘a quiet year’, I doubt very much that the writer of this editorial would be happy to have his or her children living under such conditions. “So its failure to dislodge Hamas from Gaza, coming so close after the disaster of its adventure in Lebanon in 2006, has seen its military diminished.” This is pure imagination on the part of the writer – the aim of Cast Lead was to reduce rocket attacks on the south, and that has been achieved, just as relative calm on Israel’s northern border has held since 2006. If anything, Cast Lead demonstrated very clearly just how efficiently the conclusions of the Vinograd Report have been learned and implemented.

“The conflict was conducted in the febrile conditions of an Israeli general election which saw all main parties aggressively endorsing the war.” The reason such a high proportion of Israelis endorsed the war had nothing whatsoever to do with elections and everything to do with 8 years of attacks on Israeli civilians. “A coalition that has included Avigdor Lieberman as foreign minister, a man notable for demanding Israeli Arabs swear an oath of loyalty or face expulsion.” Actually, Lieberman proposed a loyalty oath for all Israeli citizens, regardless of ethnic background, but that just doesn’t sound suitably racist for the writer, so selectivity has been applied.

“Netanyahu has carefully managed a new style designed to derail US demands for a freeze to further settlement in the West Bank by offering the most partial of freezes, in the knowledge it cannot possibly be acceptable to the Palestinian leadership.” One has to ask if the writer actually bothered to read Mr. Netanyahu’s Bar Ilan speech, and one also has to ponder the fact that no-one seems to wonder why, if the Palestinians are such avid peaceniks, they don’t just come to the negotiating table without a bundle of ever-escalating pre-conditions.

“Israeli-Palestinian talks are on hold; the economic stranglehold of Gaza goes on. All largely ignored by the international community.” Maybe it’s just me, but it seems as though the international community, and the Guardian in particular, talks about precious little else!

“Israel yesterday shot dead six Palestinians in two separate incidents in the West Bank” Besides the writer being obviously geographically challenged (one of the incidents was in the Gaza strip), the fact that all these Palestinians were involved in terror activities goes completely unmentioned, as does the fact that three of them were responsible for murdering an Israeli citizen.

“They must be allowed access to markets so that they can rebuild, and at least makes some attempt towards lives of dignity.” Well, when things are calm and terrorist activities are not taking place, that’s exactly what happens. In fact, had the Gazans chosen economic development over terror when Israel evacuated the Gaza strip in 2005, the additional 400 hectares of prime agricultural land with state-of-the-art facilities which were left to them could have been a serious boost to the Gazan economy.

“It is not good enough for the world to ignore this problem while a new generation grows up frustrated and alienated in what is effectively an enormous prison. That is no solution, merely tragedy deferred. Violence will follow.” The writer obviously buys into the whole ‘they can’t help being terrorists’ argument, so beloved of the West and the UK in particular. Just a few days ago the PA noted the 45th anniversary of the first terror attack in Israel by Yasser Arafat  – maybe the writer of this editorial can enlighten us as to the ‘frustrations’ endured by Arafat & co.– bearing in mind that 1967 was still years away – which according to the GWV must have lead them to a life of terror.

Actually, I think it’s high time that the Guardian editors took a crash course in the origins of terror and, ever willing to be of help, I just happen to have a short video here in which a former terrorist explains what lead him to that way of life .

In Part II of this piece we will examine the comments relating to this editorial and the relationship between the distortions and lies published by the Guardian above the line to the mindset and beliefs of the commentators below it.

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  1. Alex Stein

    I think it’s a good encapsulation of the government’s attitude to the settlements.

    If I understand you correctly a short clip from a popular satyrical Israeli TV programme gives all the credibility and justifies the editorial.
    Your permanent diet must be sethshit… Be careful, its excessive use can influence your mental abilities very negatively and its effect can be seen already in your post…

  2. Peter – only this part: “Netanyahu has carefully managed a new style designed to derail US demands for a freeze to further settlement in the West Bank by offering the most partial of freezes”

    I actually agree with Israelinurse that there should be no pre-conditions on negotiations (and can only assume she similarly believes there should be no pre-conditions placed on the Palestinians vis-a-vis Israel as a Jewish state), but I think this video clip offers good insight into what’s happening on the ground. Next time either of you are in Zion, I’d be happy to invite you on a combatants for peace tour so that you can see more closely for yourselves.

  3. Alex

    I have been living in Israel for twenty three years, I was a very active member of “Shalom Achsav” I voted for Meretz (or Ratz) at every general elections (with the exception of the last one). Your offer to teach me about fighting for peace between our Arab neighbors and us Israelis is as pathetic and laughable as all of your other bragging about your knowledge of Israel and the I/P conflict.

  4. Apologies, although given that the first encounter I have had of you is this morning, on this (predominantly UK-oriented) website, it’s an understandable mistake. Re. “bragging” – this is an ad hominem, and doesn’t relate to my comment, but I suppose that’s par for the course here. In any case, I would love to invite you to come on a combatants for peace tour (not sure how that invitation got translated as “your offer to teach me etc etc”, but – again – wilful misreading in order to insult is a common feature of the debate here. I’m not going to stoop to that level).

  5. Alex Stein

    I’m not going to stoop to that level

    Perfect. Then I suggest you go post on the relevant Guardian CIF thread where certainly you will find the proper courteous, cultured and civilized discourse matching to your requirements.

  6. I have been living in Israel for twenty three years, I have all my own teeth.

    I am fit (for my age), sporty, upbeat and cheerful, plus I look dashing in a top hat and tails.

    I was a very active member of “Shalom Achsav” until I learned what the word shalom meant, at which point I could no longer justify my membership.

    I voted for Meretz (or Ratz) at every general election until I could no longer keep up the pretence and instead founded my own political party called Peaceniks for Combat, which my great-grandchildren tell me is very popular amongst their friends.

    I am seeking a similarly tolerant and openminded partner with whom to see out my remaining years. Muslims and Christians need not apply.

  7. Alex Stein; you are being economical with the truth about your notoriety for scribbling Israel-hating rubbish on Harry’s Place blog; especially your lies about the tear-gas cannister ricochet death at the security barrier.

  8. Duvid – what’s that got to do with the present discussion? I haven’t written at HP for months; I don’t write political stuff anymore.

    Peter – We can only imagine what would be said here if someone wrote the same final paragraph with Jews instead of ‘Muslims and Christians’

  9. Alex Stein

    Your (or maybe ofyour fellow traveller Freedman?) post under the alias mocking my own is the most intelligent argument of you (or him) during your blogging history.

  10. Alex Stein; you are a liar and your reputation as any sort of a writer is shot because of your lies, whether you now smear paper with your excrement about politics or light entertainment.

  11. Peterthehungarian – I don’t know what you’re talking about, as is clear from my last post. And it’s unlikely to be Seth as he doesn’t post or write stuff on Shabbat. You are free to search through his comment is free threads for proof of this fact.

  12. And it’s unlikely to be Seth as he doesn’t post or write stuff on Shabbat.

    I should have known that he is busy on Shabbat playing soccer. Sorry.

  13. Alex Stein

    I think it’s a good encapsulation of the government’s attitude to the settlements.

    That’s a pathetic response to a great article.

    You need to get out more.

  14. Alex, thanks for the hits, but please stop this fatuous nonsense. It makes you look silly. You’d never get away with it on CiF, so why are you coming it here? (PetertheHungarian @ 3.43am I couldn’t agree more)

    Alex I am glad you don’t write political stuff any more.

    I also read your devious stuff at Harry’s Place plus your lame support of Freedman’s book. True friendship would have had you showing him “tough love” and not commenting at all.

    (FYI I read a friend’s copy. He bought it in the misguided delusion that Freedman might have something interesting to say particularly since a publisher had taken the trouble to put him in print). He then realised – too late!! – that al-Grauniad had published it and it was full of navel gazing rubbish anyway so he gave it to the local Shelter shop. I went by there last week and saw it gathering dust at the back of the shop).

  15. I got sidetracked by Sethele Freedman’s misguided friend, Israelinurse, and forgot to congratulate you on the article.

  16. “Israel yesterday shot dead six Palestinians in two separate incidents in the West Bank” Besides the writer being obviously geographically challenged (one of the incidents was in the Gaza strip),”

    This misunderstanding might have arisen from regurgitating this peculiar BBC headline.
    ‘Six Palestinians killed in West bank, Gaza attacks.
    ’http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8430688.stm

    I presume the writer intended the comma to be a forward slash, which would have considerably altered the meaning.
    The second line is more explicit, but I expect the poor Observer journalist in question wasn’t Observant enough to read past the headline. (You’d think, though, that they might have been curious about who Gaza has attacked.)
    If this is what happened, doesn’t it illustrate churnalism, agendas and incompetence all rolled into one?

  17. Serendipity – I literally haven’t posted anything on CIF, either above or below the line, for over a year.

  18. Jerusalemite – the comment you quoted was my summation of the clip from eretz nehederet, not Israelinurse’s article. Nice try though.

  19. Have you been banned then Alex?? (Do you actually look upon writing for the party line at CiF as “political stuff?” You are further gone than I thought).

  20. Nope – I’ve just got no interest in commenting there. By political stuff I meant stuff on CIF or HP or on my own blog, which I no longer update. But keep going with the strange ad hominems.

  21. Thankfully, I missed this editorial — it’s obviously much better to read about it here, with Israelinurse’s excellent commentary. One observation you make should be in bold extralarge: that an editorial like this is important because it reflects how the people who run the show see things. And I’d say the remark about Israel’s military coming out of the 2006 Lebanon war and the Gaza campaign “diminished” is just so much heartfelt wishful thinking on the part of the Graun editors. At the same time, with their coverage of imaginary Israeli “war crimes”, they are of course trying their best to make it impossible for Israel to defend itself.

    Alex, Combattants for Peace sounds very nice, but perhaps you should ponder how things look for the veteran combattants for peace like Peter who supported Peace Now in the nineties: with the so-called Al Aksa intifada, the Palestinians taught us a lesson that was extremely costly first and foremost in human lives, but also in shattered hopes, and very real psychological trauma. The kids we hoped so much would be able to grow up without war were either blown to pieces when they went out to have pizza or to go to the disco, or they had to go into what the Palestinians proudly described as the “capital of suicide bombers” in Jenin where we risked their lives in order to spare the lives of those who brought up the terrorists.

    And in a way, the lesson continues: Just a few weeks ago, the PA put on an official ceremony to honor a terrorist who killed random passengers on a bus — and I haven’t heard any Palestinians protesting this glorification of a terrorist murderer. The shooting of students in the Jerusalem Yeshiva some 2 years ago was supported by more than 3 quarters of Palestinians. I could go on, but anyway, the point is that the Palestinians, as a society, not some radical fringe groups, have over and over and over again cheered the killing of Israeli civilians, including kids. I think most Israelis have gotten the message and concluded that peace with the Palestinians won’t be possible, though most also think we have to find a way to get rid of this millstone around our neck that comes from our remaining control of the Westbank. Let them have their own state — which they didn’t want until quite recently, and maybe still don’t want very much, because it’s quite hard to build something of your own when your whole identity consists of presenting yourself as a victim of evil Zionist omnipotence.

  22. As usual IsraeliNurse the gap between your excellence and the Guardian’s pot-boilers is striking. Writing ability aside, one would think that facts would not be too difficult to come by but the nameless author gave us ample evidence for the reason for his/her anonymity. Considering that the whole subject is covered in multiple layers of internet articles I wonder at their incompetent research techniques. Never mind, the GWV is well to the fore and that is what counts.

  23. Alex, I agree that personal attacks are wrong and though I often disagree with your comments they are always interesting. I’ve seen you hand some out ‘ad hominens’ yourself once or twice.

    Good piece anyway Israelinurse. ‘There isn’t a single paragraph of this editorial which does not contain some distortion of the truth, vital omission or downright lie.’ They’re nothing if not thorough!

  24. Israelinurse – well done.

    This was one of the more scurrilous Guardian efforts, specially because, as you note, it provides a direct view of the way the editorial board of that paper thinks and cannot be brushed off as an effort by some “contributor”.

    Since I am now being premoderated on CIF, with some comments taking hours to appear or not appearing at all, no doubt as a preliminary to banning, possibly because of the following that I wrote on the thread that accompanied that article, with total lack of modesty let me repost what I wrote there on this thread:

    SantaMoniker

    27 Dec 2009, 1:36AM

    Almost every sentence in the third paragraph of this editorial is wrong or misleading:

    For Israel itself, the consequences of its war on Gaza have been more difficult to assess.

    Actually, the consequences are clear and from Israel’s point of view, very satisfactory.

    Rocket fire by the Palestinian factions has finally been halted,

    That is almost correct, since there are still one or two rockets being fired into Israel every week.

    but the cost to Israel of a war that claimed almost 1,400 Gazan lives has been serious.

    No – the cost to the Gazans and Hamas in particular, which, false accounting aside, lost about 1,000 of its terrorists, has been serious

    The use of white phosphorous against civilian targets,

    White phosphorus was not used against civilian targets but to illuminate the battle areas

    as well as other suspected breaches of humanitarian law,

    Alleged breaches made by interested parties

    have corroded the country’s moral standing even among its most robust supporters.

    As if Israel’s “robust supporters” have been so forceful in supporting it – for example, here at the Guardian

    Israeli politicians and officials have been forced to confront the fact that they risk arrest in a number of countries including, for now at least, the United Kingdom.

    since the UK has (temporarily, it would seem) allowed a group of pro-Palestinian supporters to hijack its legal system and use it against Britain to declare war against another country

    The impact on Israel has been pernicious in another way. The principle of deterrence has been crucial for its defence. So its failure to dislodge Hamas from Gaza, coming so close after the disaster of its adventure in Lebanon in 2006, has seen its military diminished.

    A frequent and pathetic attempt to puff up Hamas and Hizbollah, who know only too well, as do the Arab countries in the area, that they have been delivered devastating blows that make it unlikely that they will resume their attacks any time soon. Perhaps in the future, for they are slow learners lead by people who are not quite the full deck of cards, but not for quite a while.

    Israel’s immense superiority has been demonstrated once again, and, in fact, the Guardian is at the forefront of bleating about the devastation visited on Gaza as a result of Hamas’ activities, and Lebanon as a result of Hizbollah’s.

    The result, from Israel’s point of view, is quite satisfactory – trading off 8,000 rockets against 670 pages of the Goldstone report, which is constantly and consistently being shredded by experts in international law.

  25. Alex Stein – has it never occurred to you and your friend the despicable Freedman that after only a couple of years in the country your know-it-all opinions might best be kept to yourself? The two of you are like spoiled teenagers constantly trying to tell the adults who provide them with a roof over their head why everything they’ve ever done is wrong.

    Like Peter, I took part in a couple of wars, spent years doing milium, usually 6 weeks a year, often months, opposed the whole settlement thing, like Peter, IsraeliNurse spent years contributing to the country in my work and really find it objectionable when a young Brit who lands in Israel immediately becomes an expert on all that is wrong with Israel, rushing to share his views of all that is wrong with the country on some English language blog aimed for consumption by the folks back home rather than actually trying to make his contribution to the country.

    You (who I understand from one of Freedman’s articles, at least actually did full army service to the best of your ability unlike him and despite the bravado of his book – he has serious form that has been revealed here) and Freedman live in relative security due to the efforts through the decades by others who gave their time, risked their lives or those of their children. You are simply unable to comprehend what it was like to view what seemed like the certain destruction of the country in 1967, or live through and fight through the disaster and tragedy of the Yom Kippur War, or Lebanon in 1982 to get the PLO out of Southern Lebanon, or spend years running around the West Bank or in Lebanon chasing terrorists, and mourning the loss of friends who fell in those efforts.

    I made the mistake of pursuing a career outside Israel after many years, and life and its commitments have a way of leading you where you might not really want to go. You, on the other hand, are lucky to live in Israel,and its more than time you started looking at the miracle the country is, and what an amazing place it is to live in, rather than incessantly trying to expose every wart and pimple and blow them up to the size of an IMAX presentation.

  26. Really Alex Stein you present a section from a satirical programme as a capsule of attitudes in the country. You might have noticed that not all Israelis have identical attitudes. You might not be aware either of how the situation developed and the parts played in it by various groups.

    You sound very young. I know that at the conclusion of an undergrad degree one feels that one knows everything there is to know and has no hesitation in informing the world of the truth. There are people who take a longer time than others to grow out of this and some apparently never do.

    I might as well take a slice of Little Britain and embed it here as an example of why everyone leaves a country filled with people who are so stupid.

  27. Margie – “capsule of attitudes”: Your invention and not mine. Re. my age, I’m 28 and have a masters degree, not that that has any relevance to this discussion, or anything else for that matter.

    AKUS – ‘know it all opinions’ is your invention, not mine. And, for the record, it’s three and a half years in the country. As for your second post, I no longer write on Israeli politics in the public sphere (at least above the line), I was merely interested in hearing Israelinurse’s views on the clip. As for your last paragraph, you ascribe to me views that are simply not my own.

  28. Margie

    Really Alex Stein you present a section from a satirical programme as a capsule of attitudes in the country.

    No, in fact he said that – in his opinion – the skit encapsulates govt. policy. He did not claim that the makers themselves typify public opinion.

    Anyway: I’d say it’s better to see such satire as clear evidence of the diversity of opinion and the freedom of expression/opposition in Israel, i.e. that which too many posters on CiF seem unable or unwilling to recognise.

    @ peter
    I barely know Alex Stein from Adam, but I would seriously bet against him (or Seth) being responsible for your hateful fake-namesake.

    Anyway: join the club. My moniker’s been hijacked here as well.
    😉

  29. Hi pretzelberg

    Naturally I can’t be sure regarding the identity of the asshole who tried to mock my posts. What made me angry is Stein’s condescending invitation to introduce me to the Israeli peace movement, a subject I probably know much more about it what he ever will learn. As we say here he doesn’t know yet what I already forgot a long tiime ago.

    No, in fact he said that – in his opinion – the skit encapsulates govt. policy. He did not claim that the makers themselves typify public opinion.

    The clip is a satire nothing more and nothing less, – its content absolutely not characterising government policy but the behavior of the desk-jockeys in the military bureauocracy. Stein tried to use it to contradict Israelinurse’s article – his attempt was so inane that he himself tried to distance himself from it.

  30. Life ain’t fair, and it ain’t easy being a Jew.

    It seems to me that Akus and Peter are wasting their energy and allowing petty jealousies to get in the way of business on this Website. Individuals like Alex Stein or Seth Freedman are welcome on the Guardian because Israel for them must be condemned at all costs and Jews who criticize Israel are specially encouraged. The job of CW, therefore, is to hold the Guardian up to close scrutiny and keep pointing out their anti-Israel or anti-Jewish biases.

    Petty individuals like Seth, Alex or Ben are kid’s play.

  31. Fairplay – I don’t write for the Guardian.

    Peterthehungarian – when’s the last time you were in the West Bank?

  32. Alex,
    What do you have to say about the Guardian’s editorial that IsraeliNurse thoroughly demolished? Do you think the CiF editorial was fair and accurate or unfair? Do you agree with most here that there exists a big problem with CiF regarding their demonization of Israel?

    Thanks.

  33. the Guardian itself promotes a warped version of events in the Middle East

    Just as that served up my israelinurse, Hawkeye et al.

    I thought this website might provide enlighenment.

    In fact it’s worse than CiF – especially given the hatred and racism both above and below the line.

  34. pretzelberg, so how about refuting a few of the points made by Israelinurse, to show us poor warpy-viewed Israelinurse fans how right Cif/the Guardian is???

  35. Alex Stein

    Peterthehungarian – when’s the last time you were in the West Bank?

    I was there twice last week but not like you, I was there without Palestinian/ISM minders escorting me and without being equipped with a British passport. Why are you asking?

  36. Alex Stein – As for your second post, I no longer write on Israeli politics in the public sphere (at least above the line).

    Why not Alex?

    If you confined your somewhat outlandish opinions to the Israeli media or the Jewish press, you might have some respect from me. As it is, if I knew who you were and you approached me on a pavement, I would cross to the other side of the street and leave the area forthwith until a good rainstorm had washed the area clean.

    You have conspired with a once but no longer great newspaper which is now pursuing a incessant crusade against Israel, demonising it at every opportunity. And their are opportunities. However its bias is so pronounced that it will use even sad persons like yourself in its rage to delegitimise the Jewish Zionist state.

    And you co-operated.

  37. Shira – I think Israelinurse was right in a number of the points she made. It’s a shame that she’s also so routinely selective in her analysis of the Israeli political scene.

    Jerusalemmite – because I’m more interested in literature now.

    Peterthehungarian – there is a big difference between Palestinians and ISMers, as I’m sure you know. And I’m not sure where you get the idea that I use my British passport when I travel in the WB (another invention). I’m interested in what you do there; perhaps we can share experiences.

  38. JerusalemMite

    “I would cross to the other side of the street and leave the area forthwith until a good rainstorm had washed the area clean. ”

    This is to a coreligionist who defended your country for you ?

    “incessant crusade against Israel, demonising it at every opportunity. ”

    I repeat my earlier and permanent point. The ludicrous use of hyperbole on CIFwatch means CIF can safely ignore this site..which is a shame as CIF is open to criticism as it ignoes the UKs wars as compared to the I P conflict.

  39. Sunday Peppers. My written words express my (peaceful disgust) with Alex Stein and other ‘House Jews’ who have their distorted and sick interpretation of Israel published on a site one of whose major missions is the de-legitimise and destroy the one Western Liberal Democracy in the Middle East.

    incessant crusade against Israel, demonising it at every opportunity.

    This is not hyperbole. This can be supported by the very disproportionate number of articles that appear on CI(F) relating to the I/P conflict, compared to Darfur, Sri Lanka and other world hot spots, where the suffering of whole populations is very much greater yet receives very little attention from CIF.

    Add to that, the unfair use of CIFs laughingly called ‘Moderation Policy’ to ‘strike down’ effective pro Israel commenters while leaving such social rejects as Berchmans and LaRit still commenting and the the words that I used above seem weak and flabby.

  40. Jerusalemite – the point is your disgust has no relevance anymore, as I haven’t written at CIF for well over a year.

  41. JerusalemMite

    “the very disproportionate number of articles that appear on CI(F) relating to the I/P conflict, compared to Darfur, ”

    I agree CIF ignores Darfur but for me the bigger issue is it ignores the UK/US violence in Iraq/Afgh because Israel’s is an easier target However you use terms like “demonisation” and “incessant crusade” which is too easy to pooh pooh given they have pro Israel writers like Petra etc.

    .

    “Add to that, the unfair use of CIFs laughingly called ‘Moderation Policy’ to ’strike down’ effective pro Israel commenters ”

    I agree CIF has few moderate pro Israeli voice left… Pretzelburg being the torch man.

    ” Berchmans .. still commenting ”

    Warned on 2 occasions deleted on five hundred..99% off topic 1% drunk( depending on time of year) The deleted posts are stored somewhere and the word on CIFwatch is they are anti Semitic . Its what Cardinal Newman calls a “factoid”…a lie stated often enough that it takes root.

    Alex is an Israeli ..a brave and loyal defender of Jews and your posts do not reflect this. However I wish you well . Take care and good luck.

  42. ‘The Guardian is ‘pursuing a incessant crusade against Israel’.

    An excellent observation. As we all know, the Crusades originally aimed to recapture the Holy Land (including Jerusalem) from the Muslims who ruled it.

    With people like Ben White or Berchmans, it appears to be a moral crusade for dysfunctional career and personality reasons. For others on the Guardian like Seumas Milne, it’s more a case of party politics.

    So, if our task to to defend Israel from the Crusading Guardianistas and jihadis, are we simply defending an embattled democracy in the Middle East, or are we fighting satanic enemies who will never give up? Sometimes, one gets carried away with words.

  43. “…I agree CIF has few moderate pro Israeli voice left… Pretzelburg being the torch man. ..”

    Eh????

  44. “..It’s a shame that she’s also so routinely selective in her analysis of the Israeli political scene. ..”

    Can you actually hear yourself Alex?

    When was the last time you wrote anything which was NOT routinely selective in your “analysis” of the Israeli political scene?

    (Yes, I know you haven’t written anything “political” for about a year, etc etc) all of which hardly puts you in any position to judge does it? I mean, writing in support of Seth Freedman on Harry’s Place or writing anything for CiF which claims to have even a nodding acquaintance with dispassionate analysis, or, indeed, any analysis at all, hardly gives you any expertise does it?

  45. Fairplay

    With people like Ben White or Berchmans, it appears to be a moral crusade for dysfunctional career and personality reasons

    Its personality for me.I thought I was a gentle moderate until I posted on CIF during the restructuring of Beirut in 06. I was shocked to realise I was a raging anti Semite. It p155ed me off so much I swore an oath to trip folk up, irritate and confound.

    BTW thank you for bracketing me with Ben ..hes a real writer… I just dabble..my real skill is song writing but it would be lost without sound 🙂

  46. sundaypeppers – “…I repeat my earlier and permanent point. The ludicrous use of hyperbole on CIFwatch means CIF can safely ignore this site…..”

    No shit Sherlock! Why aren’t they then?

    I hope you will tell Georgina and the coven this, and emphasise to them that CiFWatch is not a threat because it’s too high class for the usual bottom feeders who post on CiF. She will know, of course, how widely known CiFWatch is becoming, so you don’t need to rub that in.

    But you and others before you (and doubtless after you) will still be drawn here like iron filings to a magnet. Perhaps you are slow learners or you can’t resist having your asses kicked again and again.