Guardian

What’s sauce for the goose…


Apparently, a certain someone is a bit bent out of shape as a result of revelations of how threats were made against Professor Geoffrey Alderman for writing for CiF Watch, as was reported by Professor Alderman in this week’s Jewish Chronicle.

Ahh. The hallowed right of reply. Just like the one that you gave to Robin Shepherd when Antony Lerman misrepresented Shepherd’s excellent book, A State Beyond the Pale?

Matt, your chutzpah knows no bounds and you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

All I can say is that the chickens are coming home to roost and that if the Guardian was run like any normal organization, you, Georgina and Brian would all have been slung out onto the streets a long time ago.

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  1. Abandoned dope would like the Alderman to condemn the IDF for defending Israel!

    It’s called the Israeli Defence Force, dopey.

  2. Dopey, do you think that the following would qualify a Hamas thug to write for CiF, had the Hamas idiots not subsequently made a complete Horlicks of it? (My feeling is that the coven ceased to allow active members Hamas to pollute CiF any more than they themselves pollute it because glorification of, and support for, terrorism is now an offence under UK law).

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1147854.html

    Note in particular

    “….In the report by a committee set up by Hamas to examine the UN war crimes allegations, the authors said “we regret any harm that may have befallen any Israeli civilian.”

    “We hope the Israeli civilians understand that their government’s continued attacks on us were the key issue and the cause,” added the report, of which Reuters obtained a copy.”

    So far so good and a faint glimmer of a willingness to accept some responsibility, but subsequently:

    “…Mohammed-Faraj al-Ghoul, justice minister in the Hamas government and the chairman of the committee which drafted the report, said on Saturday “some words or phrases were taken out of context. The report held the [Israeli] occupation fully responsible and it did not include apologies.”

    Later in the article note the excuse that Hamas can’t aim its weaponry properly so it hits Israeli civilians by mistake! (I kid you not):

    “…The Hamas report, after listing Palestinian grievances such as the Israeli embargo on Gaza, reaffirmed comments by officials of the 22-year-old Islamist movement that its improvised rockets were fired purely defensively and were aimed at Israeli military targets. They simply lacked the necessary accuracy, Hamas said.

    “It should be noted that the Palestinian resistance…is not an organized army that possesses developed technological weapons,” the report said. “It may target a military site or a tank position and their fire goes astray…and hit a civilian location, despite their efforts to avoid hurting civilians.”

    Oh… right…. they were aiming at soldiers and other military but their rockets being “rudimentary” and “firecrackers” couldn’t be aimed properly so they hit Israeli civilians.

    But the rocket bombardment went on for over eight years! Even the thickest Hamas thug might have been expected to realise, even after the first week, that the rockets couldn’t be precisely aimed BUT HAMAS STILL CONTINUED THE BOMBARDMENT! There’s also the not so little matter that there were no military targets in or around Sderot, where most of the rockets fell.

    All of which, of course, rather makes a nonsense of the “We weren’t aiming at civilians deliberately” insanity defence, does it not?

    Now, dopey, how likely is it do you think given the frankly mad statements by the equally frankly crazy Hamas, that any of its operatives would be prepared to make a statement along the lines you described above?

    If that’s the only thing that prevents Georgina paying money to terrorists to write for CiF, it’s probably a fair bet that we are safe from such rubbish for some time to come.

  3. “Bravo seaton, your efforts caused this site, developed this site, grow this site as more and more people speak out and see your rag for what it has become.”

    Way to go Peter1 !

  4. TG

    I didn’t realise Abandon Hope was Berchmans. Suddenly a lot makes sense!

    Berchmans is also ‘Dopey’ in Serendipity’s excellent post.

  5. zkharya – “Duvid Crockett, how do you come up with these lyrics? V. impressed.” Usually in the bath, but the one below was composed after davening Mincha and written down after Havdalah.

    TG – Can’t exactly help you, but here is another apposite composition:

    The Sound of Schmendricks (to the tune of “The Sound of Silence”)
    (Hat tip: P. Simon and A. Garfunkel)

    Hello Schmendricks, not my friends.
    Hope Cif will make amends.
    If you keep on with your pout and shout,
    We’ll give you such a zetz in your snout,
    But the tsimmes and the broiges still remains,
    Kneidlach for brains.
    At least no sound of schmendricks.

    In restless dreams these schmendricks look
    Like any vampire or dybuk.
    Matt pours out Rustbucket’s warning.
    Schmendricks must fly, coz day is dawning.
    But Duvid thrusts a Magen-Duvid through his heart;
    Kicks his private part
    And shtups the sound of schmendricks.

    DS Al Coda

  6. Thanks Hairshirt. You’re not an A&R man by any chance? Anyway, pending the record contract, here’s a cross-post of one I did at Oy Va Goy about someone we all know too well:

    He’s been working as a Sheygetz
    (To the tune of “I’ve been working on the Railroad.”)
    (Hat tip: US tradition)

    He’s been working as a Sheygetz.
    The Yidelach say Oy vey.
    He goes by the name of “Shameless,”
    At Cif called “Shay”.
    When the Stalinists come calling,
    Oh so early in the morn,
    Over themselves they are falling,
    When Shay gets gets the horn.

    Chorus: Shay gets gets the horn,
    Shay gets gets the horn.
    Bella comes to blow his horn.
    Shay gets gets the horn,
    Shay gets gets the horn,
    Brian too will blow his horn.

    DS Al Coda

  7. @ Biodegradable

    I was simply saying that I had a recollection of Shepherd being reluctant to write a piece on CiF.

    I, and peterthehungarian (twice) have shown that either your memory (recall) is failing, or simply that you continue to “imagine” things just in order to nit-pick.
    You showed no such thing – only that the website Harry’s Place (a dependable source??) had claimed that Shepherd had been denied the right to reply.

    Now, while I freely admit my memory could have been confusing me, it is possible that my recollection was of some earlier comment by Shepherd.

    At the same time, however, that link from his own website makes it clear that in the Lerman case he certainly was denied a response – which I personally find both a shame and difficult to justify.

    No need for you to get nasty, OK?

    p.s. FYI I did in fact spend a couple of minutes Googling for the purposes of confirmation / correction.
    😉

  8. Harry’s Place (a dependable source??) had claimed that Shepherd had been denied the right to reply.

    peter1 also showed you Shepherd himself, on his blog, saying the same thing.

    Do try to keep up!

  9. I have a terrible memory, an appalling one, yet that doesn’t stop me from seeing the natural injustice in Professor Alderman’s case.

    Should he have had his arm twisted by the Guardian, even in the most subtle way, simply because he chose to write one article for CiF Watch?

    Most reasoning individuals would say, no.

    Most believers in freedom of speech would probably say no, and certainly anyone who can actually see the anomaly of allowing Hamas leaders carte blanche, but not Professor Alderman would probably say no too.

    However, the usual suspects seem undecided on the matter.

    Hmm.

  10. @ Biodegradable

    peter1 also showed you Shepherd himself, on his blog, saying the same thing.

    Did he? Where?

  11. modernityblog

    However, the usual suspects seem undecided on the matter.

    One very clear conclusion is that the ‘usual suspects’ exist in a parallel universe and have a complete absence of any intellectual approach.

    Sorry to mention it in public but, the usual suspects are a very small sideshow to the people who are ‘Left’. The problem is that they are very vocal and the silent majority rather lazy.

  12. modernityblog

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    ” his arm twisted by the Guardian, even in the most subtle way, simply because he chose to write one article for CiF Watch?”

    CIFwatch has a contributor who called himself ” Guardian hates Jews” The Guardian will see this as an extremist site dedicated to their destruction using gross hyperbole ..where contributors are attacked using the foulest of language and with no justification.

    CIFwatch could make itself far more effective if it were even a little more subtle.

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    JerusalemMite

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    “They will not allow anti Islamic posts”

    .

    I beg to differ. I have posted hundreds and hundreds of posts pointing out what I consider to be off topic and designer posts ..ones trying to suggest that Islam is responsible for violence ..when a billion people seem to live in relative peace.

    People who abuse the name of Islam and carry out horrific and psychotic attacks in its name..go for it ..criticise them all night…I’ll join you! 🙂

  13. JerusalemMite,

    I am on the Left, but I don’t see the usual suspects as being much on the Left, other than as their own “private religion”.

    The point about adults engaged in political exchanges is that they normally respond to a well crafted argument, as Daniel put above, agree or disagree they would respond and make their arguments known.

    However, those who are intellectually incoherent and immature (as seen in the usual suspects) can’t do that.

    They find it nearly impossible to admit that they’re wrong or have missed something, which is why I think they are more of a psychological curiosity than anything to be taken seriously.

  14. modernityblog

    I am on the Left, but I don’t see the usual suspects as being much on the Left, other than as their own “private religion”.

    I agree. I have given up any argument with ‘the usual suspects’. There is no intellectuality involved in their positions. It is just, for instance – Israel bad/Palestinians good or US bad/Arabs good.

    Still. I do enjoy taking the occasional poke and remind Saint Berchmans of his loud silence when Halgeel84 was ranting about doctors with Jewish sounding names cutting up womens vagini for huge amounts of money comparing vaginal reconstruction surgery with FGM. Very much an excellent example of the kind of false equivalences used by extremist lunatics.

    Anyone know what happened to Halgeel84? She hasn’t been commenting for 6 months now. One wonders if she has become the victim of the (gentle) Sharia punishment of amputating a hand and can no longer use the keyboard.

  15. Abandon hope

    The Guardian will see this as an extremist site dedicated to their destruction using gross hyperbole …

    Dedicated to the destruction of The Guardian??
    What was that you were saying about “gross hyperbole” … ?

  16. Dopey give it up!

    If you are the best the Guardian has to offer then they really are on the skids.

    Go back there! Have a crusade there or something! Give your pitiful life some meaning but not at the expense of the only blog which can “out” CiF’s and the Guardian’s one-eyed anti-Israel agenda which opens the door to Jew-hatred.