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Spot the Difference


From today’s Freedman thread: see if you can spot the difference.

Before…


After…

And if you’ve figured out the difference between the two posts, here’s proof of the double standards at play from the same thread.

Now tell me that the moderators are not anti-Israel bigots.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.


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  1. Madison did himself no favours by ” insane crazy ….nutjobs” …” crazed religious fanatics “…” crazy people”… ” really that crazy”

    This sort of repetitive accusations are often a sign of overtiredness .

  2. Gandhi was no saint; among other faults, he slept with numbers of barely-of-age women, and he let his wife die for lack of medical treatment.

    Moreover, he knew little to nothing of either the Jews or the Mideast.

    Buber put Gandhi in his place, particuarly noting Gandhi’s “spiritual imperialism” regarding the Jews:

    http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1147098

  3. MEMRI is an anathema to the Guardian Coven. They hate it. They treat it like they treat hate sites. At least, those hate sites that hate looney lefties.

    Memri has the audacity to catalog ‘appearances of various ‘frothing at the mouth’ people saying what they really think in Arabic and Iranian. It usually doesn’t sit comfortably with the GWV.

    There have been various attacks on MEMRI on CiF. Whittiker especially doesn’t like them.

    Problem is, they can take issue only with the translations. Which they do. There may even be some mistakes but, the message is clear.

    Double talk.

    One thing for the Arab/Iranian masses. Another for The Guardian and like minded reporters.

    MEMRI does a great job.

    Here’s some fun which is always banned on CiF. Please read through to the end. It is a real hoot and you will see why CiF doesn’t allow it.

    Our Neighbor and Why We Have to Kill Him

  4. What is the purpose of owning a place if you can’t tweak it now and again to the benefit of your own side then? A sneak attack, a link broken, that’s not so bad, this implies. It seems they hope that nobody will notice.

    Well, kudos to whoever did notice! We should check every link in future and complain if they are deliberately broken!

    oooooooooh, no we won’t. It will bring down the wrath of the all-powerful mods who might exercise their powers of premoderation (untrust) and banning: thrusting us into outer darkness.

    I presume that this is the demonstration by cif of the famous English fairness: a bit of hypocrisy, a few lies here and there, a bit of sleight of hand, removing key comments and tweaking others. How else are they going to twist the truth of the legitimacy of Israel and make it seem what they want it to seem?

  5. They closed that thread overnight for a specific reason.Seth did not write that article himself,he must got one his new Palestinian buddies to write it for him.

    He answered a post from “madisonwest” with just one word ‘NO’ and that great and wonderful ‘No’ received up to now 43 recommendations.

    Just imagine the amount of recommendations he would get for one of his usual sneering,rambling and incoherent answers.

  6. Shadowe’s post ends with…. “India does not support your apartheid Israel”

    “Apartheid Israel”…..seems to be the BATTLE CRY of the Guardian,to be encouraged and never to be deleted.

    “Disgusting.Absolutely disgusting”…….Doesn’t even begin to describe these bottom feeders.

  7. As a sidelight, I think, going back a couple of years, that rather than deleting entire comments they used to edit them after posting – my memory may be playing tricks here – and then stopped that in favor of deleting and “disappearing” the comments. The fact that a moderator went in and deleted the link is quite amazing in itself, and is so pathetic, puerile, and self defeating as to fall into the category of Richard Nixon’s “Dirty Tricks”.

    Regarding Gandhi – his legacy seems to have lived on in the family.

    A grandson, Arun Gandhi, somehow got himself made head of a “Peace Institute” at the University of Rochester (that’s in New York state, for the Brits) and, clearly seeing himself as an expert on Jews, Judaism and Israel, penned a viciously anti-Semitic article for the WP’s “On Faith” section (equivalent to the Guardian’s “CIF Belief). The “On Faith” blog has become a favorite location for anti-Semites to hang out. Gandhi isoneof their frequent contributors.

    Arun Gandhi wrote in the column:

    Arun Gandhi: Disgrace of the Third Generation

    “Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don’t befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.”

    something no doubt a few CiF regulars like Teacup would heartily agree with and Guardian sub-editor Michael (“in Israel they murder each other a great deal”) White would approve for publication.

    Graduates of UR launched a successful campaign to have him to have him dismissed from his position.

    It strikes me as interesting that we don’t see similar articles by Jews pretending that they are experts on the Hindu religion, for example.

  8. Simmer down folks. The Guardian is just playing a game. Here it is. You can’t compare Hamas and Hezbollah to Nazis, so they know that they can’t call Israelis Nazis and still be consistent. But calling Israelis the next most vile thing, practitioners of apartheid, is ok and serves the same purpose. Now, string together a few sentences about Islam being an apartheid religion that must change its ways vis a vis non Muslims and see how far you get. Something like “The true practitioners of apartheid in the Middle East are those who follow the Koran word for word” along with a few approprite quotes from the religion of peace book should get you banned/moderated awfully quick.

  9. Akus,I remember that posting and the pasting that Arun Gandi got ,out of the 438 comments,I confess I posted quite a few comments there myself,none of which were favorable to him.

    I think there was some Jewish girl there that was defending him,she got washed away.

  10. wearenotblind

    ” You can’t compare Hamas and Hezbollah to Nazis, so they know that they can’t call Israelis Nazis and still be consistent. ”

    It was exactly the other way round. I would ask for ..up to 10 posts a day to be considered Islamophobic ( normally because they used the word “Islamofascist” ) ….when I started in July 06 . To maintain ” balance ” I would read posts hoping for the mirror image and maybe once a week would hassle a pro Palestinian poster who compared Israel or Jews to the Nazis.

    Your comment makes it sound as if the people’s side were the baddies! 😦

  11. Birchy, whether you like it not, “Islamofascist” is a term rather like “Neo-Con” that accurately describes a certain bunch of people who hold certain views.

    The problem you have with the term is that you wrongly think it implies ALL Muslims are fascists, which is not true.

    There are some people who misuse the term “Islamofascist”, but terms get wrongly used all the time, “resistance” and “freedom fighters” being others.

    Just because a few people misuse the term, and a few others misunderstand the term, it does not invalidate the term.

    Live long and prosper.

  12. Berchmans, doesn’t detract from the bias or anti-Israel stance of the moderators or of CiF though, does it. I mean, you often get overtired, don’t you and come out with inanities and yet your posts remain.

    And do you know the definition of “fascist?” Here’s an operational definition in terms of by their deeds shall you know them:

    1) “..Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

    “2_ Fascists identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

    “3) Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.

    “4) Fascism rejects and resists autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists’ nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.

    “5) Fascists consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.

    “6) Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.

    “7) Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.

    “8 )Fascists oppose class conflict, blame capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuse communists of exploiting the concept….”

    The first and second are Hamas through and through, aren’t they, in terms of Hamas’ Islamist charter?

    The third is the Islamist attitude which rejects individualism (even you couldn’t argue with a straight face that Israel rejects individualism) – therefore it can be defined as Islamofascism;

    The fourth, ditto. Christians are persecuted by Hamas for their difference, and in Islamofascist Saudi Arabia, there are no Jews, which makes them an apartheid nation as well as Islamofascist;

    The fifth evidences the paranoia of the authoritarian personality which goes hand in hand with fascism. If there are leaders there have to be supine followers, too, and the mindless follower mentality is typical of the passive pole of the authoritarian personality. This is how Islamofascist Hamas came into power;

    The sixth above is Hamas, through and through, therefore Hamas is Islamofascist by that operational definition because it very literally bumped off its opposition and became a one party “state” and itbehaves in a fascist manner and offers Islamism as a rationale for such behaviour;

    The seventh above is also Hamas which, as I have said, suppresses and forbids openness and opposition to its Islamist “code” for example, the arrest of a young woman for smiling in public;

    Substitute “Zionists” or “Jews” for “communists” in the eighth above, and we have the specious rationale for Hamas’ Islamofascist Israel/Jew-hatred. Jews and the Zionist entity and conspiracies are blamed for every intra-societal conflict by Hamas and by the Palestinian Authority and the Arab world generally.

  13. PeterParker, that must be because Berchmans is an inverse racist who, so he says, can smell discrimination even from around the corner. That smell must be coming from under his own nose.

    He can’t differentiate between criticism of certain aspects of Islam/behaviours of certain Muslims (they are all poor wee oppressed souls to him) so he lumps all Muslims together and thinks that we do too.

  14. AKUS, it’s a clear expression of something that sounds like the name of a river in Egypt, and a lack of capacity for self-analysis on the part of the CiF editors.

    But of course Islam means this! It can live peacefully within society provided that society knows that Islam is best! QED.

  15. This is absolutely utterly pathetic — but right, got to protect the Guardian/Cif readers from educating themselves about the real Middle East…

  16. CiF is a polluted swamp overflowing with excrement pumped out by legions of bigoted, hateful, ignorant and polemical idiots.

    The moderators and editors are: hypocrits, censors, thought police, so-far-left-theyve-come-full-right.

    Taken together that are a fine example of George Orwell meets Josef Goebbels.

    And before you open your trap Berchmans, shut the fuck up.

  17. PeterParker

    ““Islamofascist” is a term rather like “Neo-Con” that accurately.. “”

    The use of the term has little to do with its dictionary meaning.It is used as a way of associating the overwhelmingly gentle Muslim people with the Nazis …specifically to enable the theft of the Palestinians land to be justified .

    I thought everyone knew that. Or is it just me? 🙂

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    Daniel

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    “CiF is a polluted swamp overflowing with excrement ”

    When CIFwatch finds a way of dealing with posters who need to shout caustic rage and keep these comments separate… it may be able to attack the Guardian and not seem like a teenage problem page.

    Today there were no articles on CIF concerning the massacre of the Afghani civilians killed yesterday. If it were the IDF there would be 3 articles already.

    CIF needs to be taken to task for this… but whilst CIFwatch remains a shooting gallery for lost souls nothing will change.

  18. Be quiet and take your medicine like a man, Berchmans.

    “Today there were no articles on CIF concerning the massacre of the Afghani civilians killed yesterday. If it were the IDF there would be 3 articles already.

    CIF needs to be taken to task for this…”

    Now you’re slippy-sliding away from reality again, Berchmans. On another thread here you say that the other place “listens” to you, which implies that you have some sort of leverage there.

    Now, is this true, or are you telling lies?

    If it’s true then why aren’t YOU on the blower to Porgy and Twatt insisting (because don’t forget “they” listen to you there) that they print article after article about the massacre of innocents in Afghanistan by Muslims and others instead of obsessing about the imaginary misdeeds of Israel and her Jews?

    I know you’ve been told it before, but I am prepared to say it again:

    This site exists to bring to notice and to name and shame CiF and the Guardian for its antisemitism which is dressed up as hatred of the only Jewish state in the world. Now, much as I am sure the editors deplore the deaths of innocents and soldiers in Afghanistan, to protest those is not the raison d’etre of this site. As you so rightly argue, CiF should be doing more to bring it to the attention of its readership but it doesn’t. Why do you think that is?

    Ah… wait a minute…. you daren’t complain on CiF about the killing in Afghanistan, dare you, because if you did you would be banned. Perhaps they are waiting for even the slightest excuse to rid themselves of you.

    So we can add actual cowardice to moral cowardice can’t we?

  19. Abandon Hope more blah blah blah to indulge your sense of moral superiority over the ‘Zionists’, but your lack of intellectual prowess becomes conspicuous by your inability to challenge Mitnaged’s excellent analysis on the ideologiceal parallels between Hamas and fascism.

  20. Akus,
    As I can’t imagine they are fooling anyone with half a brain when they put out pious drivel like that, the only possibility is they wish to curry favor with Ramadan and alTikriti and the rest of the religion of peace choir. Of course, now that we know what labor intended as their immigration policy, perhaps the Guardian just wants to be on the winning side. At the very least, they are hedging their bets. What next? Vote for BellaM for head of the Promotion of Virtue, Vice is bad brigade! A credentialed moderator from the Guardian, can there be a surer bet to not offend our Muslim instructors on how to run an ethical society.

    Abandon Hope,
    Although the time to abandon hope is fast approaching, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep your passport current. Or in your case, just show them the last several hundred (or is it thousand yet?) posts you have made oto the Guardian and on here and they just might leave you alone.

  21. The Guardian have cloned Seth Freedman,and they have named him Jesse Rosenfeld,like Seth he lives in Yaffo, he is Canadian,and has a web-site called….thedialynuisance.com……..Guess what……A pro-Palestinian web-site.

    He also posts in the same vein as Freedman.Two for the price of one.
    Buy one get one free.

    An infestation of English speaking Jews who migrate to Israel,with the sole intention of writing for web-sites that aren’t too enamored with Israel.

    They write for money of course.

  22. Jonny Moses

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    “your inability to challenge Mitnaged’s excellent analysis on the ideologiceal parallels between Hamas and fascism. ”

    Ha aretz disallows this type of nonsense saying that posts calling either side ” fascist” or “nazi” belongs in junior high school bike sheds. I like Mitnaged … i give him a hard time to keep him on his toes but I like him.

    You folk need critics otherwise it would be

    another excellent article … I like the original way you called Berchmans an anti Semtite! 🙂

  23. CiF are not enamored with HarrysPlace either.

    Strange. HarrysPalce is infested by Lefties.

    But not Looney Lefties.

    Let’s have it for the Looney Lefties. They are Looney and already don’t know what is ‘Left’. And it ain’t the ‘Gentle Muslims’ or Gentle Hermine either

  24. I’ve worked out what the principle is. The classic left supports the poor and downtrodden of the world, no matter their colour or religion.

    Loonie Lefties don’t really care about the activities of the people they support. They can blow themselves up while blowing up other people’s children. They can launch rockets in the thousands at civilians. As long as they call themselves down-trodden or Moslem or refugees or anything but educated or western or Jewish the loonie lefties will rush to their support.

    This is the kind of action they will describe as ‘left’ despite the fact that the acts they perpetrate are deeply fascistic, racist, immoral and selfish in nature and actually the proper territory of the far right.

  25. “I like the original way you called Berchmans an anti Semtite! :)”

    Who can forget this timeless 2006 classic from a 2006 Guardian “to whom I humbly apologise for calling an anti-semite.” Commenter of the Year

    [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/dec/21/post829]

    I Think it was ## The present outbreak of anti semitism is a direct result of Israel slaughtering the Lebanese and the frustration caused by the refusal of the Jewish community to be at the forefront of condemnation of this.##

    Let me know why that is wrong..Somebody pointed out we all have personal responsibility and I accept that ..but why wont anybody who matters condemn Israel?

    Christ if any Scot anywhere bombed a city ‘s district into the dust or fired missiles they would deal with me.

    Where are the Brit Jews?

    I would protect you. It makes me sick to think that people would be so petty as to give a shit about religion.

    ITS ABOUT PEOPLE for Christ’s sake.

    B

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/denis_macshane/2006/09/post_354.html#comment-206365

  26. Donald. Thank you for that reminder.

    Others like myself who comment here having been banned from ‘the other place’ are well aware of what Berchmans is.

    What tickles me is the ‘protection’ that Georgina visits on him. He has probably had more posts deleted that anyone except perhaps Edwardmacaroni, Premptive and LaRit and yet is allowed to continue to roam CiF threads freely. Perhaps the shining example of the ridiculousness of the laughingly called ‘CiF Moderation policy’ on Cif.

    CiF will regret it’s ‘largess’.

  27. Berchmans, the feeling is most certainly not mutual. I like grown ups for friends.

    And as for “…Ha aretz disallows this type of nonsense saying that posts calling either side ” fascist” or “nazi” belongs in junior high school bike sheds…”

    I note how you use the Israeli version of al-Grauniad to try to distract us from your woeful failure to answer the points I have made and to try to stifle intelligent discussion, not least because you probably don’t have the first idea how to counter what I argued above about Hamas being an Islamofascist entity. For that is what it is.

    I think I have won that argument, haven’t I?

    “They’re not Islamofascist because I say so” really is not the apotheosis of intelligent debate is it?

  28. JerusalemMite

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    “What tickles me is the ‘protection’ that Georgina visits on him. He has probably had more posts deleted that anyone ”

    Georgina does not protect me ….why would she need to ? I have had more post deleted because my posts disappear with the offending Islamophobic or violence supporting posts.

    I have had a few maverick posts deleted …when I get edgy and batter folk into the stratosphere… but you wouldnt love me so much if I were a total wimp would you?

  29. “I note how you use the Israeli version of al-Grauniad to try to distract us from your woeful failure to answer the points I have made and to try to stifle intelligent discussion, not least because you probably don’t have the first idea how to counter what I argued above about Hamas being an Islamofascist entity. For that is what it is.”- Mitnaged

    What is a Troll?

    Someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

    Job well done, got people riled up and boosted the hit count, immediately get hundreds of posts by anything the house jews write.

    They have so many bright folks writing in and meticulously deconstructing the revisionism that they need to ban/moderate them as they struggle to level the intellectual playing field.

    Our resident Troll, by definition has no ability to offer a counter-point and can post sober or in a drunken stupor by rote…..which is exactly what he does.

  30. Abandon Hope. Just more of the same dismissive, sarcastic arrogance, but no evidence of the intellect necessary for any kind of meaningful debate. Tedious. And predictable.

  31. ‘when I get edgy and batter folk into the stratosphere’

    What Berchie calls antisemitism.

  32. He said he wanted to destroy Zkharya, too, then had the nerve to ask for proof of racist posts, and, when he got it, within an hour of asking, was too cowardly to reply.

    What a nebbish.

  33. “….but you wouldnt love me so much if I were a total wimp would you?..”

    Yes! Definitely. Intelligent wimpitude would be a blessing!

  34. The feeling certainly isnt ‘grown up’ on this thread either, it’slike the playground of an infant school

  35. Donald, where’s your trousers?

    “He said he wanted to destroy Zkharya, too, then had the nerve to ask for proof of racist posts, and, when he got it, ”

    Firstly its “troosers” for goodness sake… secondly ..you mention proof. Do you mean ” proof”? 🙂 I thought this was a site for exposing and detailing bias.. not just shouting it.