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  1. The amount of free-floating hatred there is remarkable. There is no distinction made. There are no considered allegations. They label Israel as Jewish Zionist Nazi, Christ-killers, anything that comes to their tiny under-developed minds.

  2. This demonstration shows us what Israeli Apartheid Week really is – a chance for racists to indulge in a neo-Nazi hate-fest. I’m surprised they weren’t Seig Heiling.

  3. Last night there was a meeting in the UK Parliament with Ronnie Kasrils, as part of ‘apartheid week’.

    He said that because of the ‘chosen people’ status of Jews in the Bible, Jews think they can oppress the Palestinians.

    It’s a well-known antisemitic device. I protested and promptly got thrown out by the chairman Martin Linton MP – who will himself be thrown out by the electorate on 6 May.

    Yes: ‘Apartheid Week’ is just a synonym for ‘Antisemitism Week’.

  4. I’m surprised they weren’t Seig Heiling.

    But that would be ‘recognisable’ anti-semitism! Everyone and his dog knows that overt Nazi expressions of anti-semitism are bad form – and bad ‘rightwing’ form at that. These people are of the ‘Left’ – ergo they are righteous, peace-loving, seekers of justice for the oppressed world-wide – and their demonstration of this ideology does not – cannot – ever segue into ‘nazi anti-semitism’.

    The women calling the Israelis ‘nazis’ and the Jews as killers of Christ bloke are merely speaking truth to power. They are united in their peaceful request for justice for the Palestinians.

  5. Jonathan H

    Yes – where would we be without that particular accusation – enjoyed by the ‘Left’ and the ‘Right’?

    ‘How odd of God/To choose the Jews’ – William Ewer

    There is evidence to show that he was an active and well-connected Soviet agent from the early 1920s, and that this was well known to MI5, who kept him under surveillance. He has been mentioned in connection with Clare Frewen Sheridan (1885-1970), writer and sculptor, who passed on comments of Winston Churchill, her relative. Archival material is becoming available, documenting Ewer’s success in running an infiltration operation in the United Kingdom.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Norman_Ewer

  6. Note at 2:37 the poster that states:

    “Free Palestine from the River to the Sea”

    Had it read “Free Israel from the River to the Sea” we would have a dozen articles about this on CiF.

  7. There is a so typical scene at the end , where the young Palestinian supporter starts ( or moving forward to ) hit someone , and the older guy say , Its what they want you to do …

    Of course all Zionist pigs want is to be beaten or explode so afterwards they can use it against the Palestinians .

  8. @John: “….They are united in their peaceful request for justice for the Palestinians…”

    If that were the case, they should be howling for the demise of Hamas!

  9. Talk about antisemitism and blind hatred.

    I hope that nobody minds my using this cifwatch thread to discuss a typically biased poster on the Biden thread on cif today. If it is an intrusion please delete it. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/10/israel-joe-biden-east-jerusalem-settlements?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments)

    If you haven’t heard of Larit, you’ve missed nothing. She is a less than gifted and more than prejudiced poster who could not be brought to understand that the Middle Eastern countries, the PA and others, object to Jews in general, not Israel in particular.

    Here is a response she made to me as the thread closed, preventing response. I know that you will be able to understand enough not to need expansion, except that my comments are in italics.

    Israel is the only country which bars entry solely on the religious grounds.

    Most of the Middle East have special laws to keep Jews out

    My understanding is that there are countries which are hostile to those coming from Israel itself, not Jews per se – precisely because of the injustices done to Palestinians.

    Just a reminder that Jordan and the PA have special laws stipulating the death penalty for those who sell land to a Jew.

    My understanding is that it is considered treason in the Palestinian Authority to sell land to anyone who is Jewish….. well, considering what’s been going on for the past 60 odd years, that seems logical enough to me!!!

    She contradicts herself midstream and doesn’t even notice it. If there hadn’t been attitudes like that and prejudiced people like that who supported them, there wouldn’t have needed to be a country for Jews.

  10. The opening shot includes a poster talking about “Nuremberg justice”.
    And it was way before the end – when a few women were chanting “Naaa-ziiis” – that I had a “where’s my machine gun” moment.

    Absolute scum of the earth.

  11. @ Jubilation1

    One of your later posts on the Tisdall thread was way out of order:

    When you see a new house being built on your block do you ask the race of the people building it? … Tisdale does. Biden does. If it’s Jews. It’s bad apparently.

    Another poster referred to the implicit accusation of anti-Semitism – and frankly I’m inclined to agree with them.

  12. Jubilation1

    Israel is the only country which bars entry solely on the religious grounds.

    and

    My understanding is that there are countries which are hostile to those coming from Israel itself, not Jews per se – precisely because of the injustices done to Palestinians.

    One of the amazing features of the LaRit von Cockroach type posters is their absolute and total ignorance. Everybody who ever visited Saudi-Arabia knows that the law forbids to Jews – I repeat not Israelis but Jews to enter the country.

    My understanding is that it is considered treason in the Palestinian Authority to sell land to anyone who is Jewish….. well, considering what’s been going on for the past 60 odd years, that seems logical enough to me!!!

    For this champion of anti-racism and anti-apartheid – laws based on race are logical… naturally if they are against the Jews.

    And she is a typical uncensored CIF poster.
    She is not an anti-semite only angry of her Jewish landlord…

  13. Pretzelberg – – what would you call it if it’s Jews only who can’t build somewhere because they;re Jewish?

  14. @ Jubilation1

    It’s not a question of “Jews only who can’t build”. It’s about foreigners who IMO should not have the right to build on another people’s land.

    If this were about e.g. Jewish Londoners not being allowed to move to Bristol, obviously that would be anti-Semitism.

    Don’t pretend it’s the same thing.

  15. It’s Jews Pretzelberg. It’s not ‘foreigners’. If I wanted to build there I wouldn’t be allowed to either, because I’m a Jew.

  16. @ Jubilation1

    You were talking about Tisdall and Biden, and unless I’m mistaken you were implying that they are anti-Semitic.

    You think it’s OK for Jews from Israel to move into the West Bank? How about Palestinians doing likewise inside Israel?

  17. please- the apologetics are sickening- the law is that no land can be sold to a JEW, the punishment for it is Death.
    This LAW is on the books in Jordan And the PA.

  18. “You think it’s OK for Jews from Israel to move into the West Bank? How about Palestinians doing likewise inside Israel?”- pedantpretzel

    Israel is an independent country, the west bank of the Jordan river has no such designation, Arabs DO live in Israel- Jews are not allowed by law to live in the PA and Jordan.

  19. Pretzelberg – I mentioned names that came to mind and wondered what they thought of a world that discriminated on the basis of religion.

    Come to think of it – what do you think of it?

  20. What on earth has this got to do with “Comment is Free” “Christ killers” ??? ..give us a break…these are lunatics out on a night out.

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  21. Louise and Jubilation1 – I doubt that LaRit has changed – unless she’s signed the pledge and managed to stay on the wagon.

  22. @ Jubilation1

    I mentioned names that came to mind and wondered what they thought of a world that discriminated on the basis of religion.

    Sorry, but what you said was something very different:

    “When you see a new house being built on your block do you ask the race of the people building it? … Tisdale does. Biden does. If it’s Jews. It’s bad apparently.”

    As I said: you seem to be implying that they are anti-Semites.

    Come to think of it – what do you think of it?

    Personally I think it’s b*ll*cks. What do you think about Jewish-only settlements in the West Bank?

    @ peter1

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you indeed saying that Israeli Jews have the right to settle in the West Bank but Palestinians have no such right to settle in Israel?

    And you talk about “apologetics”???

    p.s. What prompted that comment about “the apologetics are sickening”, when nobody here was engaging in such a thing?

  23. This protest took place outside A fund raising dinner for the IDF held at The Waldorf Astoria Hotel. On the youtube link there are several clips. In one clip the odious Neturei Karta show up and that christ killer chap give them a friendly pat on the back. I guess they are not christ killers.

  24. How about being prepared for such protests by e.g. having some leaflets handy that could be distributed to the “Nazi” screamers, with some nice pics of the great Palestinian hero Haj Amin al Husseini meeting Hitler and some of his other Nazi friends, and maybe a bit of info on how popular Mein Kampf and similar “literature” are in the Arab and Muslim world?

  25. @ peter1

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you indeed saying that Israeli Jews have the right to settle in the West Bank but Palestinians have no such right to settle in Israel?-pedantpretzel

    I’ll re-type it slowly for you.

    Israel is an independent country, the west bank of the Jordan river has no such designation, Arabs DO live in Israel- Jews are not allowed by law to live in the PA and Jordan.

    Now I’ll explain it slowly.

    Israelis have a right to live in Judea and Samaria just as the Arabs do….400,000 Arabs have entered from Jordan and live there in 262 new illegal(?) “settlements” (?)
    Israelis do not have the right to live in Jordan by law.
    Israelis do not have the right to live in PA administered areas by their law.

    Arabs DO live in Israel NOW, by law.
    Any Arabs who do not live in Israel now have to go through immigration and they may or may not be allowed entry, so far about 70,000 have legally done so.

    As usual you ask a loaded question and even when its responded to, you twist about with your apologetics and attempt to re-phrase it to your liking.

    Years at CiF have trained you well in sophistry.
    Now read it again….slowly.

  26. pretzel
    I was always against the establishment of ”settlements” but
    since the towns and kibbutzim are there already and since the Palestinians have no real intention of making peace – why let them stay there.
    ……..
    I think incidentally that if you want to write a word you should write it. Even if you put stars in place of the ”o” and the ”o” everyone still knows you intended to write bollocks. Don’t be so prissy.

    Since you won’t be honest enough to tell me your opinion of the statement you criticised I won’t bother to ask you again.

  27. This “demonstration” is just the tip of the iceberg of what goes on at University campuses, the bile, the unconcealed hatred, the blatant anti-semitism by people who feel strength in numbers and don’t even bother with the nod-nod-wink-wink guardinista “oh I love Jews, its just those Zionists that I can’t stand”.

    These people have the audacity to scream apartheid, nazis, racists in protest while representing countries that are exactly that!!!
    Arab countries that outright make it illegal for Jews to enter, never mind live.
    Its mind-boggling how they project their feelings and world-view, accusing Israel and accusing Jews of the very thing THEY are guilty of.

  28. @ Peter1

    Israelis have a right to live in Judea and Samaria just as the Arabs do

    That’s your opinion. Do you likewise believe that Palestinians in the West Bank have the right to live in what is now Israel?
    (he asks for the Xth time …)

    @ Jubilation1

    Since you won’t be honest enough to tell me your opinion of the statement you criticised I won’t bother to ask you again.

    What wasn’t clear enough about “Personally I think it’s b*ll*cks”?

    And you still haven’t clarified your comment about Tisdall and Biden …

    I’ve seen enough of your posts on CiF to know that we don’t need to be “enemies”.
    I’m merely seeking clarification.
    😉

  29. pedantpretzel,
    you can run in a circle chasing your tail all you want.
    Which part of my reply didn’t you understand, I did tell you to read it slowly.
    Do you have a right to live in the USA?

  30. peter1

    you can run in a circle chasing your tail all you want.

    No, that description fits you.

    It was a simple enough question.

  31. Jubilation1,locking horns with the likes of LaRit is futile,might as well bang your head against a brick wall.

    She (LaRit) is a serial offender and has the brain cell of a flea (sorry if I offended the fleas).She once mentioned that she was victimized by her Jewish landlord.Or something to that effect.

    She reminds me of stepping into dog-shit, you don’t argue with the DS you just scrape it off and keep moving.

  32. And this is actually happening in New York, a city that has millions of Jews living there.Wherever the Palestinians go,trouble is sure to follow.

    They bring their shit with them.If is in the EU/UK the US,Canada,or even in Israel.

    I can never forget a picture with one of these idiots carrying a placard with

    “KILL ALL JUICE” written on it.

    What can you really expect from a people that want to kill Juice.

  33. Pretzelberg – you appear to be of the opinion that the whole of the West Bank should be Jew-free, despite the fact that before the Jordanian annexation of the area (recognised only by Great Britain and Pakistan btw) Jews lived in Hebron, Schem, Gush Etzion and the parts of Jerusalem from which they were expelled by the Jordanians. Are you now saying that the fact that Jordan invaded and illegally annexed territory which did not belong to it should now be rewarded by not allowing the people who later reclaimed that territory to live there and forcing them to relinquish it to a third party which collaborated with Jordan in the first place?
    Just to be clear, I have no doubt that at some point Israel will evacuate more areas of the West Bank than it already has under the Oslo agreements, but where and how much must be subject to negotiation because Israel’s long term security is at stake. To voluntarily restrict or forbid the right of Jews to live in that area before a peace agreement is signed is not only self-defeating from a negotiations aspect, it also continues the de-Jewing of the Middle East and North Africa which has been going on for decades.

  34. BT

    Wherever the Palestinians go,trouble is sure to follow.

    Thank you for that disgusting display of racism.

    Israelinurse

    Pretzelberg – you appear to be of the opinion that the whole of the West Bank should be Jew-free

    Utter and complete fiction.

    And there I was thinking/hoping you had some decency. Shame on you.

    Are you now saying that the fact that Jordan …

    All I did was ask a simple question, i.e. why Jews (even if not even born in Israel) have the right to move into the West Bank while Palestinians are not allowed to move westwards.

  35. pretzelberg

    I’m strongly against the settements because their existence certainly doesn’t help to achieve peace with the Palestinians. (BTW there are much bigger stumbling blocks on the way to the solution, all of them are on the Palestinian side)

    Now your question:
    All I did was ask a simple question, i.e. why Jews (even if not even born in Israel) have the right to move into the West Bank…

    The Jews who are moving to the West-Bank are Israeli citizens and their place of birth is absolutely irrelevant. The West Bank doesn’t and never did belong to any sovereign state it is a disputed land whose status must be determined by future negotiations. In according to the Oslo accord some parts of it are under the management of the Israeli government. All of the lands belonging to the settlements either have been bought by its lawful owners or originally owed by Jews before 1948 when the Jordanians massacred/expelled them or not privately owned. I – together with many other Israelis would like to see the WB as a sovereign Palestinian state and the reason that this option didn’t materialize is mainly the past and present leadership of the Palestinians, and the exploitation of the problem by different Arab political/religious interests – and not the settlements.

    …while Palestinians are not allowed to move westwards.

    Westwards certainly means Israel proper. Israel (as any other sovereign entity) has full rights to determine who will be allowed to live on its sovereign soil. The reasons why the Palestinians are not allowed to do this are pretty obvious.
    BTW do you know any Palestinians with the exception of a very small elderly minority whose birthplace is inside Israel? As it is well known the Israeli negotiatords more than once showed readiness to negotiate their return/compensation – only theirs and not their descendants.

  36. Pretzelberg it might have escaped your notice that over and over the Arabs, including the Palestinians and on behalf of the Palestinians, attempted to conquer Israel in order to do what you suggest they should do, build and live in Israel itself.

    Inviting the aggressors in when we staved off their aggression militarily would be self-defeating in my eyes.

  37. “BTW do you know any Palestinians with the exception of a very small elderly minority whose birthplace is inside Israel?”

    Sadly I do Peter.
    It’s about 20 percent of my country.
    Just under 2 million.

    At least they call them selves Palestinians….

    Funny enough they don’t want to be reunited or leave under the Palestinain govt control…

  38. BT

    “What can you really expect from a people that want to kill Juice.”

    I asked above what a bunch of loud mouthed Jew haters has to do with CIF? Many on CIF would be the first…. as their fathers were… to fight the nazis . I am not claiming that we fought them specifically to save the Jews ..I know we were defending the capitalist s interests in Poland but at least we feckin tried. I have said this many times on CIF and this is a first for CIF watch .but lets hear it for the Brits..on our own in 1940!

  39. Itsik those who live in your country – which is Israel – are Israeli Arabs and not Palestinians.

  40. “All I did was ask a simple question, i.e. why Jews (even if not even born in Israel) have the right to move into the West Bank while Palestinians are not allowed to move westwards.”- pedantpretzel

    How many things are wrong with this simple question?
    How many conflations are built into it?

    So many that despite numerous responses from different people this effes keeps asking it as if he has seized upon some brilliantly conceived notion that is divine in its simplicity.
    Goodness it is so divine that merely repeating it gives it some otherwordly importance.

    Its really simple, Israel decides who can and who cannot enter the country.
    Judea and Samaria are under Israeli administration until there is an official end of the ’48-’67-’73 wars which remain under cease-fire and armistice lines only.

    Now I’m aware that it is difficult to recognize the reality of the situation and its more palatable for some to pretend that there is an existing palestinian entity with an existing palestinian people in a defined palestinian country and an established palestinan history and if we say palestinian often enough, loudly enough and in as many ways as possible, snap our fingers three times and click our heels it will miraculously be an existing reality.
    Come on toto.

  41. @abandon hope ‘lets hear it for the brits’? The brits served their own imperialistic aspirations in Palestine. And the international prolatariat abandoned the Jews a long time ago

  42. smtx01

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    ” the international prolatariat abandoned the Jews a long time ago ”

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    What rubbish you spout. This is not worth commenting on any further.