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Why was this deleted?


I’ve read this comment three times over from the Steve Bell thread earlier this week and for the life of me cannot figure out why it was deleted.

Before…

After…

This comment doesn’t even express a pro-Israel position but is somewhat neutral in its commentary which goes to show just how radical the Guardian moderation team is.

I can only surmise that the Guardian moderators are so far out of touch with reality that they truly believe that there is moral equivalency between Israel’s security services and Jihadist mass murderers and the suggestion of anything to the contrary is verboten.

Contrast this with an example of an undeleted comment in the same thread that engages in classic Jewish conspiracy theory under the thinly veiled  euphemisms of “Zionist” and “neocon”:


But what else can one expect when Peter Preston, a veteran Guardian editor, echoes JRuskin’s sentiments above the line with this article last year?

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  1. Sorry, Hawkeye, I have no idea why they deleted the posting by Kauto: perhaps they think that the psychotic terrorist wasn’t psychotic?

    What caught my eye was the name JRuskin: I am sure that this is that expert and constant liar, Moeran, who always claimed to have been everywhere in the territories where something happened and always knew facts to Israel’s disfavour: even the fact that Israel decorates the streets with Israeli flags on Independence Day – a special day in any country – earned a sneer from him.

    Fair? Even-handed? Logical? Intelligent? He’s none of the these.

  2. Indeed.

    Moron hasn’t been ‘seen’ lately.

    That’s probably why Berchmans is getting lonely on CiF and comes here to bother us.

  3. This is beyond ‘freedom of the press’. It is now FREEDOM to LIE and deceive.

    It wouldn’t matter so much if this was a student paper since its readers would grow up one day. But the tripe, bias and the twisting of the facts, not to mention the ignorance are all astounding and dangerous to democracy.

    These Cif-ers are Friends of Hamas, Friends of Hezbollah, Friends of any terrorist state or organisation that intends to blow the world’s democratic peoples to kingdom-come … one car bomb at a time. This cannot be right. It should not be permitted.

    Can’t anything be done about it? Are all at The Guardian as absolutely horrifically insane in their hatred of Israel and of course Blair, as these Cif pages seem to imply?

    I’ve found myself linking to your watchdog of a site far more frequently recently than I wish I needed to.

    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/can-obama-be-trusted-with-fate-of-america-israel/

    Keep up the good work.

  4. “This comment doesn’t even express a pro-Israel position( ( no matter how many times they drop bombs on Gaza)”

    To suggest folk who drop bombs from “eight miles high” are somehow morally superior to anyone is taking an intensely pro Israeli line. The post should have stayed but to suggest it is not at one with the Israeli narrative is not right.

  5. So let me get this straight, Abandon hope:

    In a hand-to-hand gunfight, as just over a year ago, where Israel would again easily defeat Hamas, presumably they COULD or even SHOULD be described as “morally superior?

    The ‘moving goalposts’ rantings of the anti-Israel people is increasingly desperate. THAT’S why the pro-side is not published at the Cif pages. The ignoramuses might start to understand the truth and its complexities.

    Can’t have that now, can we?

    The Cif truth is – all anti-Israel arguments good, all supportive of Israel, bad.

    BIAS. Unrelentling and ignorant.

    Writ large.

  6. keeptonyblairforpm

    “The ‘moving goalposts’ rantings of the anti-Israel people is increasingly desperate. ”

    The “widening goalposts” ratings of the pro Israeli people is likewise. The entire world is telling you change must happen … you carry on bumping folk off and telling your only pal to eff off. Now thats what I call chutzpah

  7. Abandon hope wrote: “The “widening goalposts” ratings of the pro Israeli people is likewise. The entire world is telling you change must happen … you carry on bumping folk off and telling your only pal to eff off. Now thats what I call chutzpah”

    Indeed it is, in the circumstances…or belief in what is right. What your “whole world” is asking of Israel does not, in fact, represent “change” (though the word does dovetail with the catchphrases du jour) – unless one sees the circumstances, today, in which the same old is being asked, have become so much more dangerous than when the same old was asked before (i.e by Clinton etc).

    No, there is no change at all…except in the degree of moral subterfuge and rank opportunism of your “entire world”….and the change it is asking for will not mean a thing – in terms of genuine peace – even if israel does concede. Fatah and Hamas and Hizbollah and Iran will continue this conflict…

  8. Abandon hope – have you got written permission from the “whole of the world” to speak on their behalf?

    Your arguments are all so back-to-front.

    The Israelis’ “only pal” (no, I am not Jewish or American) seems to have been telling Israel to eff off. Now, that’s what I call kinda stoooopid.

    Even if you are right about “bumping folk off” – is Israel the only place in the world where people are bumped off? Nowhere else? Not in the villages of Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, China, Africa to name but a few?

    And by their “own” as in Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, China, Africa …

    I suppose you wite regularly at Cif complaining about those killers, don;t you?

    No?

    You surprise me.

  9. This, from the Preston piece referred to above, made me laugh heartily: “The Telegraph is strongly pro-Israel, the Independent (with Robert Fisk) strongly pro-Palestinian: papers like the Guardian – see Jonathan Freedland or Ian Black – strive to understand the issues and push them forward. There is a range of commentary and opinion that at least puts history and complexity into the mix.”

    On Kauto’s deleted comment, surely the point is that it would be seen as taking “a pro-Israel position” as it implied that Israel could be morally superior to its opponents and denounced that nice Hamas man as a psychotic terrorist.

  10. JOHN ROOSEVELT

    “Fatah and Hamas and Hizbollah and Iran will continue this conflict…”

    I think what the ” whole world ” is saying is that you can try to blame the resistance groups for perpetuating the violence if you like… but no one is hearing what you say.We have seen the nature of the situation with the vigilantee hunting of the Hamas chapee and the comically timed insult to Biden. Its over… the ediface is cracking…we will have peace soon..

    keeptonyblairforpm

    ” have you got written permission from the “whole of the world” to speak on their behalf?”

    Good point. No I haven’t asked everyone. I watched as the Israelis kicked Biden in the privates…that was entertaining. I just guessed everyone would join the smirking. I could be wrong …so I have to ask…who is left..who supports Israel now that they have been seen for what they are in the clear light of day?

  11. Berchmans – were the people who blew up the London Transport system on 7/7/05 ‘resistance groups’ too? And how about the two British men who travelled to Israel the commit a suicide bombing in Mike’s Place?

  12. Abandon hope –

    And did you watch as Obama kicked Netanyahu too? It seems the kind of treatment he had, where he was left to dine alone in the White House has NEVER been known in the USA for foreign dignatories, and especially not for such as Israel.

    Was this a “smirking” moment for you too?

    Grown-ups don’t “smirk”, btw. Grown-ups do.

    You should remember that as a Guardian Cif follower your circle of ‘thinkers’ and influence is limited. Those who agree with you may in actual fact be fewer than you think.

    Btw, do you also see Hamas “for what they are”.

    Please respond to this last question rather than just attack your enemy, Israel. We need to understand the moral values of those with whom we communicate.

  13. Abandon Hope wrote: “Its over… the ediface is cracking…we will have peace soon..”

    Indeed..Let’s hope..but what makes you so cocky about the prospects? What has changed, in your view , regarding the Arab position which I cannot see is any different since they rejected an independent palestinian state – in fact, for at least 28 years before that? On top of the Arab postion, you have that of Iran and its other proxy, Hizbollah – rabidly commited to israel’s total destruction. A minor detail, to be sure…but..

    Clearly you want to make out that if not for Israeli intransigence, all would be fine…Total nonsense, of course…

  14. Abandon Hope: let us know about the fervid moslem peace movement. I am intrigued to get a glimpse of the nature of this force before it bursts through the cracking edifice of Israel’s passion for murder and mayhem.

    Please start in from November ’47, if you will. That should be sufficient…

  15. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_movement

    Israeli nurse.

    I just lost my long and cleverly argued post which disappeared in the ether. I will shorten this.Hamas is exactly that.. a resistance movement

    . Wiki has an example as

    Jewish Zionist resistance to British occupation in Mandate Palestine

    We dont need to get into the King David debate. . They are horrific and they are anti Semitic but one thing is definite they are a resistance group.

  16. JOHN ROOSEVELT

    ..”

    “you have that of Iran and its other proxy, Hizbollah – rabidly commited to israel’s total destruction. ”

    You are right..any people who think they can carry out the” total destruction” of the astonishingly well muscled Israel are rabid. Thats why they are such a tiny tiny minority of Israel’s critics.

    To claim Iran is ” rabidly commited to israel’s total destruction. ” is maybe not “rabid” but a tiny bit hydrophobic none the less. .Ahmadinejad uses hatred of Israel to make political points and runs an authoritarian often murderous regime and is an irresponsible obnox but your description is lumpen overstatement.

    ” Israel’s passion for murder and mayhem.”

    You politely asked me to comment on Muslim peace movements.However you use the above verbiage suggesting that I have stated this ..or have this as a view.Hence you have never read my posts and are a jumper to conclusion.Therefore you already know what I am going to say! 🙂

  17. Abandon Hope: “To claim Iran is ” rabidly commited to israel’s total destruction. ” is maybe not “rabid” but a tiny bit hydrophobic none the less. .Ahmadinejad uses hatred of Israel to make political points and runs an authoritarian often murderous regime and is an irresponsible obnox but your description is lumpen overstatement.”

    My description is lumpen “oeverstatement nonetheless”? Why? Just because you say so? Certainly not because of anything else you say re Iran in your post…In any event, the nature of Iran’s position vis a vis Israel is not in dispute.

    You call Hamas a resistance movement. Great point. The IDF is a resistance army.

    You inhibited from answering my post because of my “verbiage”? Come on, dont be like that…I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to insult you or presume too much. Just tell us what you think…PLEASE.

  18. As JRuskin’s undeleted post shows, not only have the CIF moderators lost touch with reality, they have become complicit in pushing anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

    There is no way to counter them within CIF – they have long since abandoned any pretence of neutrality, and have no hesitation in removing comments and banning posters who refuse to toe the party line.

    But this forum is a place where the activities of the CIF mods can be monitored, and their bigotry exposed. Keep up the good work!

  19. Against my better judgement I put two comments on the “Hitler” thread on CIF. They deleted the first one. I didn’t swear at anyone or do anything ilegal. I simply pointed out that it’s the “liberal” left who frequently come up with the comparison of Israel to Nazis and I provided evidence in the form of links to two recent “debates” on Israel on the BBC’s ‘Have Your Say.

    Maybe it was the links that offended the delicate antennae of the moderators??

  20. Abandon Hope: dare I say it, I have almost abandoned hope you will face the challenge of tracing the history of the moslem peace movement in the Middle East. We all need to get as graphic idea as possible of how Israel is to blame for being the most significant impediment to the realisation of harmony and democracy in the region…

    If only someone with incisive intellect and honesty would do this, how much easier it would be for Bibi to see the light. Can you imagine? Obama could then truly go on crusade…so to speak…and , with luck, Islam could raise the flag, at last, to the universal rights of man. Abe Lincoln might even rise from his grave a dance a little ditti at his Memorial!!