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Goldstone – “my loyalty is to justice”


This is a guest post by AKUS

Goldstone received this glowing commendation from an eager fan in the thread below his article: My mandate on Gaza was even-handed, my loyalty is to justice:


Several South African Jews who have known Goldstone from childhood do not share presidio’s high opinion of him. In fact, presidio needs to read this:

‘Goldstone sent 28 SA blacks to death’

Jurist Richard Goldstone was responsible for sending at least 28 black South Africans to death when they appeared before him during the apartheid regime, Yediot Aharonot reported Wednesday.

According to the report, Goldstone, who headed the UN committee which investigated alleged war crimes perpetrated by the IDF during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, handed down the sentences while serving as a judge in the South African Court of Appeals.

Goldstone presided during the 1980s and 1990s, and wrote in one of his rulings that the gallows are the only deterrent for killers.

Unless, apparently, they are members of Hamas.

However, he responded to the report by saying that he was a part of the system and had to respect the laws of the state, occasionally having to enforce laws he was opposed to.

The former judge was also responsible for sending four men accused of violent acts to receive lashes alongside the upholding of other racist laws, Yediot Aharonot said.

Ah, yes – part of a “system” … “When I was offered an even-handed mandate … my position changed.” There is a pattern here: “just following orders”

Ignorance of Goldstone’s record allowed some to praise him for his “fight against apartheid” or his single-minded focus on carrying “serving justice”, no matter how distasteful. In fact, South African Jews have suddenly become the flavor of the day on CiF (unless, of course, they oppose Goldstone or made aliyah):


But Goldstone was not just any “South African Jew”. He was a white judge during the apartheid regime who blindly carried out the apartheid laws against blacks, and, like other judges of that period, refused to appear before South Africa’s “Truth and reconciliation Commission’ (the TLC):

A CRITIQUE OF SELF-APOTHEOSIS – Ayal Rosenberg Friday, October 09, 2009

After the demise of apartheid the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) was set up. During October 27th to 29th 1997 the TRC held its Legal Enquiry which also investigated how the apartheid judiciary buttressed, “aided” and “abetted” the crime of apartheid. The TRC 13 requested that the Judges, especially the apartheid era judges, appear before it in order to account to the nation for their actions during apartheid. While a few judges made a joint written submission no judge appeared before the TRC in person. The written submissions were made by the judges of the new South Africa and not by any judge from the apartheid era. Notably, the foghorn of accountability, Goldstone, did not account.

Goldstone has left South Africa, the scene of his crime. Good riddance – we do not need him and my children who live here certainly do not need to hear the wind bag moralizing of this most quintessential apartheid judge. If you really think about it, after all, Goldstone had to leave. The new South Africa with a black majority is unbearable for a white man who sucked and sucked at the ample but putrid tit of apartheid for 25 years of his life.

Goldstone continues to this day his contemptible and incredible attempts to paint himself as opposed to the obvious purpose for which the UNHRC requisitioned his poisoned report, and unbelievably pretends not to see how it has been used in the campaign to delegitimize Israel:

I am not aware that the UN Gaza report has or is being used to delegitimise Israel by questioning her right to exist as a member of the international community. I would object to any such use being made of it. I also express my expectation and hope that the UN Human Rights Council will treat all violations of humanitarian law, no matter by who committed, in an even-handed manner and hold all members of the United Nations to the same standards.

How can he ignore the endless comments like the following (including a deleted snippet from “selfexiled”), for which his report has formed the basis? Israel is like the Taliban? Israel is one of the most brutal nations the world has known?


Just as Goldstone refused to appear before South Africa’s TLC, he is refusing to accept his role in aiding those who would destroy Israel. The man is so blinded by his “loyalty to justice” that he has no moral compass and no willingness to see what his report has done.

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  1. Silke
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    MIE
    I assume you mean my question as to how come a pundit like Niall Ferguson thinks first of Israel when asked what could China incentivize to put the financial thumb screws on the US?

    You who have claimed around here such a vast knowledge as to world politics can surely explain why Ferguson and lots and lots of others would think of and name FIRST Israel and not the much much much more likely Taiwan

    I really look forward to getting a policy lesson from you

    Oh come on, don’t schlep this schweinerei, I actually didn’t know what question you were referring to previously, hence my question.

  2. I understand you perfectly, you haven’t been taken to Auschwitz so Irving must be correct the Holocaust never happened.

    Scum bag. I’ve never denied the holocaust or it’s uniqueness, its indescribable and unfathomable barbarity or its abject criminality.

  3. I really look forward to getting a policy lesson from you

    Okay … Policy lesson number one, never pretend to be an ingratiating arsehole, because it lacks authenticity, and people will just think you are an arsehole.

  4. MIE
    Google tells me there’s a shop selling Carand’Ache pens with an 18 % rebate – hurry up – even a now wise ex street-fighter he-man wants to take advantage of that offer.

    as to all the assaults you suffered please note that in my time I have gotten to know quite a number of really tough guys working in the construction business really well. None of them has ever told me such colourful stories about his time off let alone about his time on the site.

    When they wanted to impress me they came up with a lot more interesting stories and most of all they never ever whined or bragged about their he-man-ship, their he-man-ship being so self-evident that there was no need for that and that included those who were not into flirting with me (before you accuse me of vanity: men who spend their days with other men tend to start flirting at first sight of anything vaguely female no matter their age, shape or marital status).

  5. When they wanted to impress me they came up with a lot more interesting stories and most of all they never ever whined or bragged about their he-man-ship, their he-man-ship being so self-evident that there was no need for that and that included those who were not into flirting with me (before you accuse me of vanity: men who spend their days with other men tend to start flirting at first sight of anything vaguely female no matter their age, shape or marital status).

    It was not being a he-man you gormless twat, it was about immense fear and adrenalin, and the impossibility of fleeing.

  6. MIE

    “Viciously attack”? You must be joking.

    Thank you for the explanation. It matches perfectly to your intellctual depth and explains everything about you.

    I’ve never denied the holocaust…

    I never said you did. I just tried to demonstrate the stupidity of your argument that your never being insulted wearing a yarmulke in Madrid is a proof that Jews wearing a kipa can feel safe in Spain. Being an atheist and never wearing a kipa I have been assaulted more than once in Barcelona wearing T-shirts with Hebrew inscriptions. (FYI the inscription was the word “shalom.”) And the attackers weren’t Muslims…. I don’t think that every Catalan is an antisemite thug but certainly a Jew with visible signs of her/his Jewishness can’t feel safe there.

  7. peterthehungarian
    you are being very sweet – thank you very much
    I never met any Israelis but I have known lots of Jews over the decades and co-incidence or not they were never amongst those who recoiled. Some, originally from Eastern countries, have refused to use their German which seems very natural to me, having been the language of death to them, but they never had that knee-jerk disgust other Europeans had in my youth – the strength of that reaction depended very much on whether they had been under Gestapo or Wehrmacht occupation and it happened when they were still all allowed to happily believe that their own ancestors had all been fighting in the résistance.

    Somewhere along the line I concluded that being first generation post-Nazi I must have picked up a lot of it on the way and I started hunting for my own inner little Nazi which has been good for me even though I still don’t know what I could or would have done would I have made my living from filling in Bills of Lading in the RSHA.

    I am glad to learn that Germans overall are behaving well while in Israel and I sincerely hope that once they are back in Germany they don’t join the chorus of our own “loony left” which alas seems to dominate the media.

    As to the Brits reading Churchill who despairs of them during the Gathering Storm I can’t give up hope that they’ll find their bearing once again

  8. “I never said you did. I just tried to demonstrate the stupidity of your argument that your never being insulted wearing a yarmulke in Madrid is a proof that Jews wearing a kipa can feel safe in Spain.”

    It was not in Madrid. However, I am well aware of the violence of the ultra-derecha, their inherent anti-Semitism and the impunity that they still enjoy.

    My comment was anecdotal, and not a category. You really need to think beyond surfaces.

  9. peterthehungarian
    what a pity I don’t know any of the languages you can do swearing really well in most of all Arabic because “my” Greeks claimed to be as good as any Arab in that respect 😉

  10. MIE
    come off it

    what is a c**** – I know what a c***

    it was you at 12 something who named Germolene an authoritarian c***
    surely your short term memory can’t be that bad?

  11. MIE
    what a nice knowledge of German you have – BTW Schweinerei is spelt with a capital S – it is a noun you see and all our nouns begin with a capital letter – German 101

    but you promised to answer my question once I had reworded it – I have reworded it, where’s your answer?

  12. MIE

    do you copy and paste to come up with “gems” like this one? BTW I admit having an arsehole and a healthy one to boot

    Okay … Policy lesson number one, never pretend to be an ingratiating arsehole, because it lacks authenticity, and people will just think you are an arsehole.

  13. MIE

    “I made good use of my Caran DArche pen, to good effect. The gang was brutal, but I was worse, thanks to Swiss technology.”

    and what about your prowess with the Caran d’Ache ????
    that telling DID not smack of he-man-ship-bragging ???
    do you try to make money by sending in jokes to comedy-shows?

  14. that telling DID not smack of he-man-ship-bragging ???

    Nothing to brag about at all, just a question of survival, and part of a real-life anecdote to explain that I do understand how some people can become paranoid.

  15. Silke

    you are being very sweet – thank you very much

    No I’m only saying what I really experienced with Germans and Israelis.

    Somewhere along the line I concluded that being first generation post-Nazi I must have picked up a lot of it on the way and I started hunting for my own inner little Nazi which has been good for me even though I still don’t know what I could or would have done would I have made my living from filling in Bills of Lading in the RSHA.

    Silke you are silly(ke) even to contemplate things like this. You certainly know the old saying: “If my granny had the wheels, she could be a semitrailer”
    None of us know how we would behave in different but imaginary situations, not you, not me and not anyone else.

    I know very few elderly Jews of European origin who are not ready to speak German, and be it understandable they are the exception. My mother as a teenager was apprehended in France by the gendarmes and from Drancy has been sent to Auschwitz, but beeing strong she was sent back to a farm in Germany to work instead of the men who joined the Wehrmacht. She hasn’t been treated well by the villagers, but interestingly it didn’t influence her love for the German language and until her death she translated German literature to Hungarian, kept her German connections, frequently traveled to Germany to meet friends. From the other side she wasn’t ready to utter any word in French – she felt betrayed by them.
    Life is beautiful, interesting and not fair.

    BTW I’m also disgusted by the European heroes, all of them a member of the resistance and naturally feeling themselves morally superior.

  16. “surely your short term memory can’t be that bad?”

    It can be quite bad, it depends on how many things I am working on.

    In that context, c*** was meant to be clot. Although I’m not always averse to the anglo-saxon directness that the word “cunt” expresses.

    Enjoy!

  17. I’m sorry to see Akus’ article pointing out a lesser known aspect of Goldstone’s career being used to throw wild and unjustified allegations about various posters here, there and everywhere.

    Goldstone’s apparently faithful application of Apartheid South Africa’s harsh penal code in his court room doesn’t enhance his reputation but it has precious little to do with the HRC fact-finding( so-called) Report he and his three other colleagues produced. The kind of squabbling about the background of the Report’s authors, illustrated by some of comments above, simply diverts minds from looking at the obvious flaws and misrepresentations in the Report, and more importantly, the consequences.

    Despite the shoddy job he and his colleagues did, the Report has been taken up by Israel’s enemies and will continue to be a big stick with which to beat it, until Israel responds to the challenge and produces a detailed rebuttal of all the Report contains, preferably under the auspices of an eminent retired High court judge, one not tainted like Goldstone.

    Sad though it may be, it will not be the first time that Israel has to prove herself innocent, when all seem convinced of her guilt.

  18. peterthehungarian
    don’t be disgusted by the other Europeans, they were young, they didn’t know any better at the time than I did – just to give you an illustration how bad it was way back then:

    in the office of a German company in Paris in the early 60s we were two Germans and when we were alone together in a cubicle we would talk German – one day the air went down to below zero, finally one of the French blurted out in a vicious attack that we had said “kaputt” – she knew the word only from her childhood when German soldiers had raided her home and thus only in one context not as the perfectly innocent synonym for broken like in broken coffee cup. I don’t think they ever really believed me, the effect was too strong, but they let it pass eventually.

    I am so glad your mother got through and btw there was one M. Cohen in Paris who was very nice in a fatherly way to me helping me with my French who claimed he had been saved as a boy by a German soldier who dragged him out of the queue and hid him in a hay stack – Unfortunately all these stories I heard of how people made it through at the time I never knew how to ask to get them told in full – it was not lack of wanting to know it was just not knowing how to ask and it was not the 68ers who gave us finally a language, it was historians acquainting us with facts in sober language.

  19. MIE
    so you use four asterikses to signify three letters – very interesting – you should ask your doctor about it
    – as to your video posting prowess – Sony has barred German users from viewing its content i.e. Die Prinzen – DieÄrzte are just loud to my ears, the text of the Nazischweine Cartoon is nice but the music a lot less so than that of the original which happens to be way too much on the racist side – so it seems a bit of a mixed message-

    “in that context, c*** was meant to be clot. Although I’m not always averse to the anglo-saxon directness that the word “cunt” expresses.”

  20. For goodness sake,, cant people talk to each other like adults, instead of hurling insults at each other for the entire thread. I had just thought to pop in and see what people thought of todays results in the election, but im im off..

  21. peterthehungarian
    just to be clear I do not do the wallowing in guilt stunt – the clerk in the RSHA scenario keeps intriguing me for a lot of reasons, not the least of it being how did they manage to get the lower bureaucracy into gear – enthusiasm for anti-semitism alone would make no clerk willing to change his/her work habits – Kissinger was very right when he once compared us to a big steamship and how impossible it what to make us change course swiftly – so how exactly did they pull that part of it off.

  22. @silke ‘dont be disgusted by other europeans’?? I reserve the right 2b disgusted by them

  23. @ Silke

    If you introduce German around here, please provide a translation, the language of this blog is English.

    The thought occured to me in German and I just typed away. It was only one sentence, after all.

    But strange that you had no complaints about Sergio Bramsole’s “kol yom deburim …”!! I certainly didn’t.

    And it’s not as if I was talking to you ABOUT some other poster here. That would certainly be out of line. Now that you mention it: Sergio B. once did exactly that, i.e. talking about me in Italian.

    Why Honecker? Because you hadn’t (and still haven’t) explained why you and the other poster insisted on linking Goldstone to the Nazis.

    “why singling out the CDU/CSU?”

    Don’t be ridiculous. I wasn’t “singling out” that party. It’s just that it’s the party most associated with such talk.

    My post was friendly enough, i.e. about us sharing ground.

    But you had to reply with the silly and childish “you seem woefully half-informed” reference. My point wasn’t even about the CDU as such, was it!

    *) chen is a German diminuitive and pretzel is this which I find somehow an apt depiction of pretzel-lein’s (another German diminuitive) way of arguing

    Like I say: silly and childish. I’ve raised enough points above that you have endeavoured to dodge. Ho hum.

  24. Silke

    The lower burocracy in every culture (where there is a burocracy at all) always serve the masters loyally and this is nothing to do with anti-semitism.

    Have you ever heard of the revolt of the clerks in the Transport Ministry of Whateverland?

    Naturally always are some individual members of the burocracy who are trying to solve antagonism between the requirements of their jobs and their conscience, sometimes rebel against the system but they are the exception. The wast majority – the rule – are tschinovniks a la Chekhov. It even doesn’t exclude the possibility that many of them are good natured even goodhearted as individuals.

    The French lady who were so upset I would have to tell the story of my mother and how ordinary French hunted her down. She is sensitive for the word “kaputt” (didn’t read Malaparte) my mother was very sensitive to the French word “Juif”.

  25. @ martyn

    Just like Villa (yet again) this season (no gloating please, smtx01!) you weren’t doing too badly – but then fell at a hurdle of your own making.

    I seem to recall the poster “spoton” making comments in the past that I disliked or may even have found unsavoury – but unless they’ve made some frankly unimaginable right-wing extremist comments, then you are way out of line calling them “neo-Nazi”. Not once but twice.

  26. Pretzelberg,

    You are absolutely right of course, using the neo-Nazi term in this context was an insensitive and hasty reaction to a despicable accusation.

    I apologise for the use of the term, but the rest of the comments stand as they are, word for word.

    You know, down our way, doing things like comparing people to cornered rats and jackasses is almost uniquely the language of the ultra-derecha (oh. and some sports fans). But that said, I know that I shouldn’t have used the term.

    As they say in the States, thanks for the heads up.

  27. spoton

    “The same way that a cornered rat would react. ”

    I have said before ..but the interesting Zionist poster Punzi once gave me such a skelping on CIF for using similar crass language.. forgetting that once certain people were depicted as rats.

    It was a different time.

  28. peterthehungarian
    yes of course we lower bureaucrats are unquestioningly obedient by nature we wouldn’t rebel, never ever at least not in Germany unless our cherished procedures get tampered with to the point that we feel we loose control, then we start the programs “but it has always been done like that” alternating with “but Dr. … told me so” or “nobody has ordered me to …”
    I just assume that the changes at the RSHA must have been bigger than the ones the McKinsey-ites inflicted on us and so the same kind of quiet obstruction must have evolved and my question is how did the bosses overcome it and make it work so that the Reichsbahn got its 4 pennys for each km per person – to get only that one procedure correctly implemented is quite a task.

  29. @ Silke

    Moving (gladly) onto another topic:

    the clerk in the RSHA scenario keeps intriguing me for a lot of reasons, not the least of it being how did they manage to get the lower bureaucracy into gear

    I’m reminded of the part in the documentary film Shoa where a man is asked about the trains full of Jews he used to drive to the camps during the war. He “explained” how the authorities said there’d been an outbreak of cholera or typhoid (I forget which) among the Jewish population. It struck me how he added “whether those reports were true or not I can’t say.” The impression I had was that he was desperately trying to defend his actions despite the fact that the reports were a) in any case preposterous and b) since shown to be false.

  30. This kind of accounting the headkm expenses was well known in Hungary, Holland, Belgium, Greece and France too. I’m convinced that it would be exactly the same in every European burocracy only the special historical luck (or unluck) being occupied by or an allied to the Nazis determined their right to be sooo righteous. The cooperation of the burocracy was the same on the Channel Islands, the local bobbies happily or unhappily but cooperated with the occupiers in deporting the Jews without being especially anti-semitic. Nobody can deny the role of local traditions in work discipline, but in most cases there were no serious attempts to sabotage the process, the incidental failures were the results of the sloppiness of some individuals and not calculated resistance.

  31. peterthehungarian
    I am not talking about sabotaging
    – if I would look for that I would much more look at blue collar people because they have a much better developed anarchic streak than my ilk does.

    It is really amazing though that there is practically no literature depicting the inner life of bureaucracies accurately except for Yes, Minister which plays at a higher level of the hierarchy and Kafka – to me all his nightmares feel like being inspired straight from the office (I looked at a piece of The Office on Youtube once – it isn’t it)

  32. A good illustration of the psyche of a clerk can be find in the work of Chekhov: The death of a governmennt clerk (tschinovnik). The story has been written in the XIX th century, but the description of the hero – a government clerk is valid even today in certain societies.
    You seem to forget that as the value system of our societies changed dramatically in the last half century, the expectations from a person working for the government are not the same as they were before and during the war. Most government employees even in the low level required to have academic degrees and they are not brainless robots anymore.
    There is an interesting contemporary short story touching the subject from H. Boll – Dr. Murke’s collected silences.

  33. peterthehungarian
    there is Gogol also
    – Dr. Murke is a very accurate description of a certain situation, kind of an early fight with the demands of PC, but doesn’t remind me of the shenanigans needed to fight it out with the immigration office or to synch it with US patent law or or or

    Kafka made a living inside the system and he is said to have been good at it. It is kind of the same with guys writing about the military – by now I prefer those who have been in combat themselves.

    as to the academization of the clerical profession you are of course right and it will create undoubtedly its own problems (like the complete and unquestioning hope that computer programs will solve any problem). People coming fresh from university tend to have problems with basic skills like the order of the letters in the alphabet (quite handy if you want to keep your files neat and retrievable) and similar stuff. On the whole academics by now are doing jobs in offices which they not so long ago would have considered to be way beneath them and I can’t figure out for the life of me how their having written a PhD thesis and then told to do their phot-copying themselves is going to change anything for the better.

    Combining the better schooled thinking skills and problem solving focus of the academic with the practical experience of the paper shufflers was not a bad mix. It will not be long until they demand that a carpenter write his PhD thesis first before he is allowed to first touch a piece of wood. Sorry, but the percentage they are planning on to have finished uni is insane – what do they want? give all the lowly jobs either to computers or to robots or to immigrants and keep them there as long as possible?

  34. Silke

    Regarding dr Murke – I read the book about twenty – twentyfive years ago, and probably my memory is deceiving me. I tried to find it now in my library – no success.
    On the subject of government burocracy – As I understand you know the system from the inside working in a clerical position for the government. I have no personal experience on this field only my own affairs with government offices like a new passport, a driving licence renewal and the fight with the tax authority. I’m working at as a freelance consultant (in engineering matters) for the high-tech industry where the expectations are probably very different.

    Anyway I would like to believe that your views about the future of government burocracies are too pessimistic.

  35. Silke – you forget the writing of C. Northcote Parkinson (1909–1993), whose work on committees, bureaucracy, and corporate laziness stands unchallenged to this day. Although he is mainly remembered for Parkinson’s law, his writings on bureaucracy are equally profound – for example, pointing out the inverse relationship between the size of the British Navy and its administration, or the British Colonial office and the decline in number of colonies.

    http://www.librarything.com/author/parkinsoncnorthcote

    I see this thread has strayed somewhat from the topic of Goldstone … a version of Parkinson’s law that applies to blogs no doubt …

  36. thanks AKUS for the reminder of one of the masters of non-fiction on the subject (and sorry to hijack the thread for a totally different discussion but it feels kind of nice after all that heckling though that was fun too) and as to Goldstone he passed his sentences as the minion of a government at least he talks like on in the Ynet-piece

    I am a great admirer of Parkinson (not only the law which is spot on – I made it a habit to synch my hopes for the outcome of a meeting to the number of people at the table – Parkinson proved to be right always) another favourite in that category of books is the Peter Principle (everybody gets promoted till he reaches his level of incompetence) and Murphy’s law “what can go wrong, will go wrong” though there I don’t remember having actually read the book. All three are firm anchors of my Weltbild

    – and then of course there is always Orwell who is indispensable to me in fiction and non-fiction alike (oh and Churchill knew a bit about it too) – but as to catching the actual feeling of trying to swim through syrup Kafka remains on top for me

    peterthehungarian

    maybe the difference between your Dr. Murke and mine is that I can’t remember having read the book but I have heard the radioplay at least 3 or 4 times and intonation can change a story considerably.

    I haven’t worked in a government office but in companies of all different sizes until the last 20 odd years when I was at one of those global player corporations and realized that I had landed in something where totalitarian like stuff could happen.

    and last but not least in his very own quirky way there is Kishon

  37. @Martynen……..to paraphrase your comments why shouldn’t this be newsworthy or appropriate to the UK…

    Simple answer,IT’S NOT!……
    The article and it’s intended purpose was not for UK consumption, no matter how interested in Israel the CIF audience is or how you spin it or how small the world has become. It’s still was not written with the UK in mind.

    This article(more of a letter of sorts) was addressed to a specific audience in South Africa in response to the activities/opinions of that audience which appears to have been resolved to some degree by the involved parties….. It was not submitted to the UK for comment/ critique or support……In short, if Goldstone had wanted the opinion of UK public, he would have asked for it! He didn”t.

  38. Dershowitz calls Goldstone a hanging judge. The tremendous irony of this prop of the Apartheid regime damning the state that Kemp said treated enemy civilians the best in history is breathtaking.

  39. Silke

    Naturally the burocracy of great corporations and governments are worging based on the same principles.

    Parkinson’s law were very popular in Hungary in the sixties, naturally it was interpreted by the culture comissars as a description of capitalist burocracy.

    AKUS sorry about the deflection. My only excuse – I’m very interested in the problems of collective guilt and collective historical responsibility.

  40. Abtalyon

    Goldstone’s apparently faithful application of Apartheid South Africa’s harsh penal code in his court room doesn’t enhance his reputation but it has precious little to do with the HRC fact-finding( so-called) Report he and his three other colleagues produced. The kind of squabbling about the background of the Report’s authors, illustrated by some of comments above, simply diverts minds from looking at the obvious flaws and misrepresentations in the Report, and more importantly, the consequences.

    It goes towards his perception of what is relevant in his report and what is not relevant when it comes to complying with his ‘masters’ preferences. I indicates an absence of moral judgment especially when deciding to uphold the death penalty for a black as opposed to a white person. The real crux of the Apartheid justice.

    It is a pity that this was not made public the moment that he accepted the ‘commission’. Probably because some people expected him to behave honorably.

    He has provided a coup for the Israel haters also by demanding that the Israeli inquiries be ‘open’. That is a no no in Israel. The security services would be obliged to present some considerations for doing this or that and that is not something that Israel would be prepared to ‘hang out in the public domain’ for Hamas and Hizbollah.

    The following link will put objections to Goldstone nicely into context by Alan Dershowitz:

    Legitimating Bigotry: The Legacy of Richard Goldstone – Dershowitz

  41. JerusalemMite,

    Even if the writers are Muslim their “passion” is based on anti-Semitism. The underlying reason of why the Muslims keep attacking not only Israelis but Jews world-wide is because their religion is riddled with anti-Semitism. It is the fons et origo of every terrorist attack, every verbal incitement, and every desire for the genocide of the entirety of world Jewry.

  42. Silke,

    If it is of any interest, I come from a family of German Jews. My father came from Darmstadt and my mother from a small city in Upper Silesia. I grew up in a community of refugees and survivors. I was born in the United States in 1952.

    I don’t know anyone who holds modern Germans to be responsible for what their fathers did. Many of our parents’ generation visited Germany after the war (starting in the 1960’s) and some of them took us, their children, with them. (I took my first trip down the Rhine in 1968.)

    Unlike, for example, the Japanese, we acknowledge the many strides which Germany has taken, especially in clearly admitting what was done, to whom, and by whom. Admittedly it is not perfect, but what in this life is? (Ok, my kids are pretty close.) The war ended sixty-five years ago, most of the people who took active roles in it are long gone. Understanding the lessons of the past is extremely important, but as Hartley said, the past is a foreign country.

  43. Irit

    ” the Muslims keep attacking .. Jews .. desire for the genocide of the entirety of world Jewry.”

    Jesus wept this is a disgrace…you wonder why you get deleted on CIF. I have often argued a case for having a section of this site specifically for posters to make these banal and ludicrous allegations …and another to square up to the Guardian in a non cartoon way.

  44. Irit
    thank you for your kind words
    but:
    I think my generation could have done better in getting their elders to talk, instead we took the easy way out, we felt being able to read the signs and then turn away disgusted was all we had to do. The next batch after me accused them and thus made them definitely draw up the bridges and so we lost access to innumerable stories on how not really from the start committed to evil “ordinary” people succumbed step by step.
    … and tell your father that I liked my visits to the Mathildenhöhe very much – the dish towel I bought there adorns my kitchen – and of course I am glad that he escaped.

    as Heres … brings up Jesus:
    I just learned in a radio series on Zionism that the catholic church was opposed to Jews in Israel because they had preached all the time that the Jews had lost Jerusalem as a punishment for their not having recognized Jesus – the past maybe a foreign country but I fear that some Gedankengebäude=thought buildings may take a long time to go away – unfortunately the series said nothing about how they spun it to adjust it to modern facts and whether they did at all.

  45. Let’s look at the bright side of Goldstone’s past.

    Now we can dish it back to the Israel bashers for having the nerve to accuse Israel of being racist. It is THEY who do their best to DEFEND a confirmed racist like Goldstone.

    How can you take anyone’s accusations of racism seriously when they refuse to condemn their righteous hero?

  46. Corned Beef
    I like your point and on rye with mustard sounds delicious

    Wikipedia says apartheid started in 1948 but got really going in 1958 when Blacks were denied citizenship
    – I don’t know the South-African system but to me Wikipedia reads like Goldstone started out as a lawyer in 1962 and in1978 got appointed to what he couldn’t refuse ? or where he hoped to reform the system from inside ?
    – I find the years important because by 1978 Lyndon Johnson was already dead, i.e. he had had almost 10 years from 1969 on to ponder whether denial of citizenship was a system he wanted to enforce.
    So maybe even more than the hanging and the whipping and what else one should ask him about his motives why he accepted the first appointment and why he stuck with that career.