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“It takes in reality only one to make a quarrel. It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion.”

William Ralph Inge; Outspoken Essays: First Series (1919) ‘Patriotism’

There is so much that is just so fundamentally wrong about Azzam Tamimi’s CiF article of May 4th that by the time I had finished reading it for the third time, my built-in bullshit detector was in overdrive. In a way, this piece represents the essence of the Through the Looking Glass-style malaise which appears to have colonised worryingly large sections of contemporary British society.

Here the Guardian provides the sheep’s clothing which enables the despicable Tamimi not only to present himself as though he were some kind of moderate voice of reason, but also to play the victim card. Tamimi commences by recounting his version of a 2002 event recorded by the BBC, but no link to the programme or transcript of it is provided; a fact which does not appear to worry Matt Seaton in the slightest. In other words, the Guardian apparently has no problem publishing something it cannot verify, at least when it comes from this particular, but hardly uncontroversial, source – a fact which in itself speaks volumes.


Tamimi continues with his warped analysis of the status quo on British university campuses under the sub-heading “After a Jewish-Muslim initiative to defuse student tension was thwarted, critics of Israel are liable to be vilified as ‘extremist’”.

“Pro-Israel Jewish students in campus have, since, been resorting to tactics that make it more difficult for Israel’s critics to speak in public on campus.”

“[B]ecause of pressure believed to have been exercised by powerful elements within the UK pro-Israel lobby.”

“The extremism and the hate-speech often referred to as reasons to stifle free speech are nothing but code words for any attempt to criticise Israel or shed light on the plight of the Palestinians, its victims.”

As anyone who has spent any time at all on a British campus recently will know, Tamimi’s assessment is not only divorced from reality, but a blatant inversion of the actual situation. Whilst Israeli speakers are heckled, prevented from speaking at all, or even attacked, anti-Israeli speakers enjoy a virtually uninterrupted platform for the expression of their views, as do many proponents of other ‘ideologies’ such as homophobia or the murder of apostates which should be offensive to the host society. One could claim that Tamimi and others of his ilk do not apparently understand that the concept of free speech does not include the right to incite hatred against others because of their race, religion or sexual orientation or the right to glorify terrorism. Personally, I believe that Tamimi understands these concepts perfectly well, but cynically attempts to make use of them to further his own agenda which revolves around the promotion of Hamas and himself as the ‘respectable’ face of that terrorist organization in the UK.

Tamimi’s involvement with the Institute for Islamic Political Thought, of which he is director and upon the board of which sits Yusuf al-Qaradawi, his involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece in the UK known as the Muslim Association of Britain (Tamimi was its former spokesman), his membership of the advisory board of the Conflicts Forum run by Alastair Crooke and the Oxford Research Group, his associations with the British Muslim Initiative and the StWC  all indicate that Tamimi is about as moderate as British beer is cold. And if all that were not enough, we only have to listen to the words from the horse’s mouth to understand exactly where Tamimi stands.


Yes, folks; this is the type of man who is given a platform in British universities today and runs for shelter behind the Guardian’s skirts when some who have still retained their sanity object by means of polite letters to his being allowed to spout his terror-supportive venom at their children. This is the type of man the Guardian seems to see fit to unconditionally take at his word regarding his memories of an event eight years ago and provide with a platform for the promotion of his destructive and hate-filled agenda, disguising him in the sheep’s clothing of moderate, respectable academia. I leave it to you to ruminate upon the myriad of reasons for these illogical actions of a supposedly Left-wing, liberal, egalitarian-orientated newspaper in a country in which freedom of choice is supposed to be a cornerstone of society, but whilst writing this piece I came across something rather interesting:

Apparently, the Director of the Institute for Islamic Political Thought considers the Guardian to be “one of the newspapers which are most supportive Arab rights” (sic). Read more about that here.

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  1. Great links and references IsraeliNurse.

    The gentle bleating of sheeple was heard throughout the thread.

  2. When Britain will send its battleships to assure a safe guard for the boats entering Gaza, it will be the first time that a Democracy attacks another Democracy .

  3. I love the quote – there is a German proverb matching it which by in my experience proved to be true over and over again:

    “es kann der Beste nicht in Frieden leben, wenn es dem bösen Nachbarn nicht gefällt.”
    =
    even the Best can’t live in peace if the bad/evil neighbour doesn’t like it.

    which is why I insist to keep in mind always:
    “good fences make for good neighbours”

  4. Ariadne
    The Royal navy is referred to as the strongest navy in the world no?
    Israel’s Navy is not that big and surely not experienced .

  5. Excellent article Israelinurse.

    pretzelberg’s link to Mansfield brought me to the following from our resident nudnik. Note the final paragraph which demonstrates beyond doubt that Berchmans hasn’t the faintest idea about how Islamists perceive Jews.

    Berchmans

    20 May 2010, 4:36PM

    bananachips

    .

    ## Hamas has no issue with getting supplies it wants to do the thing it thinks is its most important role killing Jews. ##

    .

    To be fair if it were the Christadelphians camped on their grannies goatfield and killed them by the thousands their most important role would be to kill the Christadelphians .You make it sound as if being Jewish is the problem.

    He’s obviously forgotten that he doesn’t blame Hamas for hating Jews (note not Israelis) now and that Mitnaged made it sound like antisemitism.

    (Actually, I can imagine Hamas running amok among Christadelphians – they have only marginally more tolerance for Christians than they have for Jews).

  6. THH

    It was but I’m sure I heard some time ago that we have very little left of it…

    Will have to check but don’t have time now.

    I met a former sailor and saw the bullet-hole through his lower leg that he got in Haifa in the Lebanon war. Hezbollah shooting from a ship and according to him shooting at anything that didn’t look Muslim. A woman walking in the street behind him was killed.

    The few service people I’ve met have no time at all for Israel’s enemies.

  7. Excellent, Israelinurse.

    Whereas I agree with you and hold the very similar views about Tamimi and other Guardian favourite Islamists as you probably do, what needs to be addressed, and quickly, is the universities’ own responsibility for and collusion with this.

    We have seen it most recently with the stupidity at City University in London, where Muslim students were encouraged* to take offence when they could not be offered their own prayer room for the time being (no space to devote to it) and had to share facilities with Christians and others and refused point blank to do so.

    *The resulting “prayer protest” was engineered by the Islamic society there, but City students themselves were minimally represented and most of those who deliberately got in people’s way had been brought in from surrounding mosques and had nothing at all to do with City.

    The reaction of City was not to accede to their demands, which is the best way to deal with a spoilt child in a strop.

    Much worse, though, was the craven cowardice shown by Manchester University, where the protest against the visit of the Israeli Deputy Ambassador was allowed to get out of hand and threatening, but the university’s spokeswoman said that the mob’s rights of freedom of expression had to be upheld!

    So far as I am aware no students who participated in that disgrace were suspended and indeed no-one was arrested for threatening behaviour, which is what is was, or for breaching the peace.

  8. THH

    The Royal navy is referred to as the strongest navy in the world no?

    Absolutely not. The US and the Russian navies are much bigger, much more experienced and much more ready to fight.
    Do you remember the kidnapped Royal Marines in Iran?! All of their fighting was for their right to sell their stories to the media.

    Israel’s Navy is not that big and surely not experienced

    I wouldn’t attempt to try this theory by paying with the lives of British personnel. While it is true that the Israeli navy much smaller, but it is much more experienced and much better equipped with electronics warfare.

  9. @peterthehungarian
    I don’t believe that the Kafkaesque situation of Britain attacking Israel can actually occur .

    I wouldn’t attempt to try this theory by paying with the lives of British personnel. While it is true that the Israeli navy much smaller, but it is much more experienced and much better equipped with electronics warfare.

    In the war with Hizbollah in 2006 , Hizbollah shot a simple anti naval rocket that every Israeli navy has the capability to destroy , but because of our Naval Officers ego , they thought that Hizbollah are not in possession of such a missile , and so the mechanism that was supposed to destroy it was not activated and 4 soldiers died .

    Israeli navy experience sum’s up to shooting and targets that can’t shoot back .

  10. tammimi is a scumbag who’ll lie whenever it suits his agenda.

    i still can’t understand why anyone advocating violence, no matter what the ’cause’, is given space in any british media outlet. i would have thought it broke the law. it would be interesting to put this to the editors on cif.

    but i think that they use this as ‘shock tactics’ to pull in readers, as i gather that the good ship graun is sinking.

    i would be outraged if the royal navy were used to play bouncer for a bunch of ngo’s who are intent on getting a reaction out of the israeli armed forces. let the ngo’s hire the syrian or lebanese navy.

    and as for mansfield, the only word appropriate to describe him is ‘cock’.

  11. The ‘Jewish-Muslim initiative’ that he speaks of was cancelled not by the “Jewish” (Israeli) side, but by the Palestine Society…seems like he is shedding crocodile tears. The Palestine Society withdrew because students – Jewish and non-Jewish alike – did not want Azzam Tamimi and Daud Abdullah to be invited by the Students’ Union.

    It is ironic that Tamimi seems only too willing to fuse the use of the words ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jewish’ in this article, whilst in his speechies he claims that Israel is an abberation from Judaism.

    What a twat.

  12. Ariadne: “bullet-hole through his lower leg that he got in Haifa in the Lebanon war. Hezbollah shooting from a ship and according to him shooting at anything that didn’t look Muslim.”

    Hizbullah did not exist during the Lebanon war.

    You must mean Shlom Hagalil operation.
    unless of course this is to do with one of many many PLO et al raids via rubber speed boats.

    Can’t recall many that made it to Haifa harbour.

    The PLO and other Palestinian factions didn’t make any efforts to spot Jews.
    They shot at anything.

    Many massacres they orchastrated in south Lebanon among the Christian naeighbours…

  13. zoidberg: “tammimi is a scumbag who’ll lie whenever it suits his agenda.”

    Tamimi reminds me of “Fat Tony” from the film “Ice age 2”.

    He’ll sell is mother if the offer is right…

  14. THH

    In the war with Hizbollah in 2006 , Hizbollah shot a simple anti naval rocket that every Israeli navy has the capability to destroy , but because of our Naval Officers ego , they thought that Hizbollah are not in possession of such a missile , and so the mechanism that was supposed to destroy it was not activated and 4 soldiers died .

    Correct but this has nothing to do with the navy’s experience but everything with the slopiness of some officers.

    Israeli navy experience sum’s up to shooting and targets that can’t shoot back .

    Do you think that other navies are shooting at their own ships during target practices? All modern navies including ours are using computers in order to simulate war circumstances including the scenario that the enemy shoots back.

  15. @peterthehungarian

    All modern navies including ours are using computers in order to simulate war circumstances including the scenario that the enemy shoots back.

    I served my 3 years and serve in reserve , and did a lot of this scenarios , I can say for sure they count as ZERO experience .

  16. Israeli nurse

    .
    , Tamimi’s assessment divorced from reality, Israeli speakers are heckled, prevented from speaking at all, or even attacked, anti-Israeli speakers enjoy a virtually uninterrupted platform ”

    I think this reasoning is shaky. Israel is dreadfully unpopular just now.. due to the Gaza war …not anything to do with manipulation by Tamimi . In this Ha aretz article it is clear…Gaza was a bridge too far and many Israelis are worried.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/special-place-in-hell/special-place-in-hell-rebranding-israel-as-a-state-headed-for-fascism-1.29097

  17. Israeli nurse

    The Haaretz article I wanted is not this one sorry I ll try to find it

  18. THH
    I served my 3 years and serve in reserve , and did a lot of this scenarios , I can say for sure they count as ZERO experience .

    Maybe this is correct. And the Royal Navy is using an other method? Are they shooting each other off the water during target practices?

  19. “I think this reasoning is shaky. Israel is dreadfully unpopular just now.. due to the Gaza war …not anything to do with manipulation by Tamimi . In this Ha aretz article it is clear…Gaza was a bridge too far and many Israelis are worried”

    Yeah, well when I was President of the JSOC at SOAS in 91-92, the hatred for Israel was there as well.

    The launching of scuds by Iraq during the Gulf War was popularly recieved by large sections of the student body and I was personally witness to the booing, hissing and verbal and physical abuse of Jewish and Israeli students who offered counterpoints to the posionous rhetoric constantly on display at SOAS.

    The low point for me was a talk by Afif Safieh where one speaker asserted that the Israelis had set up concentration camps for Ethiopian Jews. Safieh, rather than counter this blatant untruth, just nodded. He also added that the Israelis were Nazis to the Palestinians as Jews. Daniel Levy, then a student activist, now a centre-left political commentator was shouted down and told to fuck off when he deigned to complain.

  20. THH
    “When Britain will send its battleships to assure a safe guard for the boats entering Gaza, it will be the first time that a Democracy attacks another Democracy .”

    Not strictly true, THH.
    For skirmishes you have the 3 ‘Cod Wars’ between Britain and Iceland the last one in 1976.
    For a war between two Democracies you have the declaration of war against Great Britain by Finland on December 6th 1941, with Britain declaring war against Finland on December 7th 1941. Of course this event was overshadowed by the attack on Pearl Harbour.

  21. Meir

    “The launching of scuds by Iraq ”

    The amazing example of forebearance that the Israelis showed has never been recognised on CIF . I wonder if part of the wise tolerance that Israel showed was due to the fact that they knew there were no WMD ..being a bit less insane than the lunatics who were advising Bush.

    Hence they knew they were safe enough. None-the-less lets hear it for the Israelis on that occasion…..they dont often get it so right.

  22. zoidberg

    ” as for mansfield, the only word appropriate to describe him is ‘cock’. ”

    Yes he makes me think of that is well… I am surprised you have the bottle to say it so directly! 🙂 Who’d of thought it…Zoidy eh? 🙂

  23. htd-

    yes i’m usually so reticent about what i say….think that’s what got me into trouble in the first place…in fact it always has been….gob first, brain later ;o)

    btw i have been rehabilitated by cif. it was a cynical and raconian attempt by the authoritarian gauche caviare to silence opposition, but the forces of democratic, free market truth and justice won through. :o)

  24. Berchmans – during the first Gulf War the entire Israeli population was kitted out for chemical attacks. We spent six sleepless weeks with our gas masks on almost every night. I don’t suppose you’ve ever had to cajole a crotchety two-year-old into putting a gas mask on at 3 a.m. or teach a six year-old how to self-inject with Atropine. Not much fun, I can tell you.
    Despite the fact that the Scuds turned out not to have chemical warheads, they still caused considerable damage and people died as a result of those attacks.’Safe enough’ we were not.
    The reason Israel did not react to the Iraqi missiles was because of American requests not to do so for fear of the coalition falling apart.

  25. ItsikDeWembley

    I did wonder about Hezbollah as I typed it. Some terror group with a boat.

  26. Israeli Nurse, is it true that in Israel new-borns are sent home from hospital with tiny gas masks just in case?

  27. Toko LeMoko – newborns and babies up to the age of two used to have a sort of special tent (similar to an incubator for premature babies) made of thick plastic which had air filters and acted in the same manner as a gas mask. The trouble was that you couldn’t cuddle a crying baby in one of those so an improved version was later brought out.

    http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/child-smartaf.htm

    After the age of two, toddlers get a different model of gas mask which covers their head and upper body. Men with beards also get this kind of mask because with the conventional type, the seal isn’t good on beards.

    http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/child-bardas.htm

    Older children get a smaller version of the conventional style adult gas mask. Then there’s the problem of glasses: there’s a special version of the adult mask which caters for people who need to wear their glasses together with the mask, but that’s usually only given to people performing essential services in time of emergency.

    During the first Gulf war I spent the initial two weeks unable to see anything at all. I’m rather small, and the adult mask’s eye holes were nowhere near my eyes. Not until I managed to get it changed for a teenager’s mask could I actually see what was going on.

    Distribution policies change from time to time according to the situation. I’m not sure what the policy is at the moment as regards newborns, but there certainly were times when newborns were released from hospital with the appropriate equipment.

  28. Israelinurse

    Domestic information on how Israelis live is worth more than its weight in gold. As a parallel example, the former sailor I mentioned above had the only bullet holes on his body that I’ve ever seen.

    I wish more of the minutiae of Israeli life could be published widely. Lots of people here were around in IRA bombings and we know about searches and warnings and bomb scares. A friend of mine was two trains ahead of the Aldgate bomb on 7/7. And terrible as all the bombings were for most of us they didn’t alter our life habits.

  29. Israelinurse, thank you.

    Ariadne, I don’t need to tell you or anyone else who is already interested about the day-to-day life of the citizens of Sderot whose lives are similar to many in southern Israel within rocket range of Gaza.

    Anyone who doesn’t know anything about this can find out more at

    http://sderotmedia.org.il/

  30. SarahLeah

    Any decent person’s heart would bleed for Sderot. People should be very angry about the fake psychology coming from the Gaza-lovers concerning sufferings in the area the weapons come from.

    I wonder what Israel could do more. It seems the people dislodged from Gaza haven’t been resettled.

    And all the sympathy goes to the wrong side.

  31. The first night that Iraq bombed Israel was the night my son was conceived. I know this because we were having trouble having him, so I was keeping track of my temperature and every time we made love, and we had missed the optimal period. I was so upset when Israel was bombed – the American networks were reporting poison gas, and I was crying on the telephone with my father for three hours.

    I am sure it was mind over matter, because we made love that night for comfort and five days later I was sick, just as the two previous times I was pregnant. My mind and body cooperated to bring a new Jewish child into the world, even though, thank God, no Jewish children were lost that time, but I couldn’t know that.

  32. Matt Seaton and his ilk are low-life anti-Semitic sewer-rats who couldn’t be happier if their IslamoNazi friends took over the power first in Britain, then throughout the Western liberal world.

  33. Gábor Fränkl

    Except that they wouldn’t. Imagine their reaction to the first beheading of one of them!

  34. Just a byline, unimportant, but still. “Georgina”, “Georgina” what kind of a name is that?! Not even English, never mind! Btw, really don’t want to be how to say in english, not my tongue…nitpicking? but this woman is so off-putting. Btw I have atheory, tell me if you agree. At least this is what I tend to believe carefully: great majority of those women, be they anywhere (in the West, mainly Europe), who are between let’s say 40-50 are viscerally, pschizofrenically anti-Israel. At the BBC for example, certainly. Lyse Doucet, Orla Guerin and many-many others are Israel-haters. Just like Georgina. WHY? Because most of them are not, and NEVER will be *M.O.T.H.E.R.S.* themselves (and a proper family), and they associate Israel with “right-wing” family values in general. And all this remind them of their of their own wretched lives and personal deficiencies. Deep in their hearts, in their hearts of hearts this increibly hurt them and they know it! But of course I couldn’t be happier at these “Les Miserables”!
    That’s where the intensity of the hatred of Israel comes, I believe.
    Say what you want, there is much to this!

  35. Irit, please remember – it’s not wise to reveal too much personal information on a public blog.

  36. Purplepeople squealed on you “Gazagirl”. You squealed on LaRitournelle. “Too much information” is your MO. Isn’t this how you people work through your “issues”

    If anybody’s not aware by now who this nutter is

    “smtx01

    20 May 2010, 5:31PM

    As another I/P thread closes, and the day draws to an end, fear not dear friends, im sure another one will soon will soon be here again. Goodnight Shalom and Saalam..Over and out.. testing testing ..”

    Join the Dot(ty)s, people.

  37. Geoff

    I don’t know who you are but “smtx01” sticks out like the clichéd sore thumb here, seeming more suited to a chat room.

  38. Thanks Geoff

    Knew there was something , just couldn’t place him till I saw his post from CI(F). What a c*nt.

  39. whats that ariadne,? i stick out like a sore thumb? my comment was to fixated cif readers and their hasbara referances,the irony must have gone over your head, im sure loads of things go over your head though! By the way, if you have anything to say about me, say it to me OK!! ive already been called a Holocaust revisionist, An Arab Lover, a misguided individual, a shlomo sands stand in, so bring in on. and no I do not want to hear about Irits love making antics if thats quite ok with you

  40. @ariadne , im sure i must stick out, due to not having a pathological hatred of Muslims, like you seem to have, Over and Fuken out.