Guardian

Why were these deleted?


From the Nick Cohen thread:

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Then here are a couple of examples which didn’t get deleted.


It should be noted that the WakaJawaka comment is straight out of the deeply anti-Zionist left playbook of Lenni Brenner, a strain of hate speech that is embraced by far right and conspiracy sites such as Rense as demonstrated below.


But as far as the Guardian mods are concerned the writings of Brenner are just another stick with which to beat Zionism.

22 replies »

  1. Hawkeye

    1) Steve 2000’s suggestion that Palestinians leaders were Nazis was rightly deleted…he mentions the ever popular Grand Mufti …the one Palestinian nazi…he is trying to tar the whole lot as Nazis

    2) Romansmk

    “The Guardian …home of the sick leftists???”

    Hawkeye you cannot be serious.

    3) St Zeno

    ” some of you are just Jew haters…

    I repeat… you cannot be serious. He is calling people Jew haters…this is an everyday occurrence here… but is an horrific, cheap and ghastly thing to call people.

    4) Positively neutral…

    He called Hamas ” fascist.” You will know that this is not allowed …you would be the first to complain.. quite rightly .. if Israelis were called fascists.

    The two undeleted ones seem ok …but I do not know the history well enough to be definitive…however even if wrong..there seems no hint of hatred or personal attack .

  2. Berchmans

    but I do not know the history well enough to be definitive…

    I would like to quote only one sentence from garagesound’ laughably ignorant anti-semite crap what you consider OK:
    Mention the Holocaust… and free thinking is abolished…

    So you don’t know history well enough? The Holocaust… you know where the subject of your sexually loaded sick pervert joke – Anne Frank – was murdered.

  3. So the Guardian is back to its old ways of Nazi analogies – though WakaJawaka’s comment could hardly be called an analogy. I had hoped we’d made them a little more cognizant of this issue.

    But some people don’t learn, and pigs just return to the trough.

  4. There’s a bit of a logical conundrum here:

    How would Berk know what “free thinking” is?

  5. “the one Palestinian nazi…he is trying to tar the whole lot as Nazis”

    Not really. He is pointing put that behind their execrable leader there were many Palestinian Arabs who shared his satanic views of the deserved fate of Jews. Much as they do today on the streets of Cairo and Teheran, and on the decks of vessels carrying his natural successors and the gullible fools that enable their monstrous intentions.

  6. Mein Kampf in Arabic is a best seller in the Palestinian territories and is now being sold in London.

  7. The Mufti represented the Nazi sentiments of the Muslim world. When Hitler took power his ascension was welcomed by the Arabs and congratulatory telegrams poured in from their capitals. The leader of the Social Nationalist party in Syria styled himself Fuhrer, and his banner had the swastika incorporated into its background. It is a moral calamity for those like you to hold that the Palestinians do not retain the affections they once had for a solution to the Jewish problem, without the dreadful dawning that you are on the wrong side.

  8. It’s glaringly obvious to anyone with any sensibility who can stomach reading CiF these days that “Jew Hater” is a perfectly accurate description of a disturbingly significant number of the commenters. I liked the comment by Sarka, who always talks sense, when she said that the foaming rage of the pro convoy commentators undermined their arguments and made her more sympathetic to Israel. As I have commented before I feel exactly the same way and perhaps these bigots have done me a service in making me take a hard look at my own views and come to a more understanding view of the Israeli position.

  9. There are days where I look at the “Why Were These Deleted?” threads and ask myself, “Why bother, the Guardian is addicted to stirring anti-Israeli & anti-Jewish passions.” Addicts don’t change until they’re willing to make a break with their state of denial. I don’t foresee the Guardian giving up its addiction.

    But then I thought about the idea of “bearing witness.” Bearing witness to evil, bearing witness to complicity with evil. That is an end in itself.

  10. Thornavis.

    “It’s glaringly obvious to anyone with any sensibility who can stomach reading CiF these days that “Jew Hater” is a perfectly accurate description ”

    This is an historical term now only really useful when Israel steps in the ploop again . It is a gross insult to the Jews who were hated because they were Jewish ..rather than the ones now hated because their country is an overarmed and smug vigilantee state .

    The UK is still worse.. but the Guardian is a Brit newspaper you would hardly expect them to concede that.

  11. In this case Steve2000 a) referred specifically to the “Palestinian leadership” (not the people) and b) was replying to another post.

    So it was neither hate speech nor off-topic.

  12. Thornavis:
    “making me take a hard look at my own views and come to a more understanding view of the Israeli position.”

    The ability to take stock of one’s own cherished opinions, find them wanting, and change them, is of inestimable value, for it allows of generosity and compromise. I find it depressingly difficult but obligatory. Thank you for this.

  13. Heres to Davy

    “rather than the ones now hated because their country is an overarmed and smug vigilantee state”

    …just trips onto your keyboard from your Jew hating fingers doesn’t it! It is obvious that you have lost the ability to discern between criticism and hatred (that is if you ever possessed it) and your fingers are programmed to type these outrageous lies.

  14. Berchmans at 12.08 – this from an idiot who is on record as not blaming Hamas for hating Jews and arguing that the writer made it sound like antisemitism…..

    How long will this ignoramus be allowed to stink this place out?

  15. biodegradable – just wait until their little visitors from the Muslim Brotherhood get going and you’ll be able to hear the doors slam shut from wherever you are in the world.

  16. Yohoho

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    “on record as not blaming Hamas for hating Jews ”

    See the Catholics in Northern Ireland when I was a kid??…they used to hate the Protestants en masse..even tho it was explained that it was the state that was oppressing them.

    To suggest folk are unhateable is discriminatory and dangerous..it gives them the right to do anything in the expectation of forgiveness.

  17. Biodegradable, Egypt’s move has been much overrated. They only allow in a trickle of people
    Khaled abu Toameh says

    “Over the weekend, the Arab Physicians Union submitted a request to the Egyptian government to send 400 tons of food and construction material, including cement, into the Gaza Strip.

    The request was turned down by the Egyptian authorities, which did not offer any explanation, said Munir Albarsh, a representative of the union. He said that although the Egyptians had reopened the Rafah terminal for travelers, they were continuing to ban humanitarian aid from entering the Gaza Strip.”
    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177687

  18. Here’s to Davy:

    Hamas hates Jews. People that support Hamas against Israel do so because they hate Jews. People that hate Israel and believe every nasty accusation against that country, then feel the urge to gleefully repeat those accusations, more than likely hate Jews.

    Everyone here knows it, apart from you it seems. Just do the honourable thing and distance yourself from those arseholes instead of constantly advocating for them.

    Why can’t you:

    – Denounce Hamas as an enemy of the West and of freedom and liberty.

    – Support Israel in its fight against such people.

    – Denounce people that advocate for Hamas as terrorist sympathisers and Jew haters.

  19. It is a polarizing issue. To delete is to edit, but to not delete is a form of editing as well. It’s a difficult job, but someone has to do it. My suggestion is to edit the outliers. The balance we will just sift through.