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The Berchmans Drubbing


Oh dear it seems Berchmans (who comments here as Heres to Davy and Abandon Hope) got a bit of a drubbing on the Lerman thread from Mark Gardner, Communications Director of the CST.

Here’s the pertinent part of Mark Gardner’s response:

I remember Berchmans comment, the one you said “was something like…

‘Scotland in all it’s history never had a single recorded anti semitic incident until the 2006 Israel/Hezbollah war when a Jewish child was attacked’ “.

I remember it because I nearly fell off my chair when I read it. Not at all wishing to sound like someone who obsesses about his childhood, (because I really, really don’t, and my memories are overhwelmingly positive) but Berchmans obviously wasn’t there when my Jewish primary school cap used to get thrown into the traffic by kids from other schools, along with the antisemitic abuse.

Glad to hear he wasn’t hiding in the secondary school toilets when the other kids made disparaging remarks about my mis-shapen shmeckl; and obviously he wasn’t acting as a mere bystander when the local NF kid tried to beat me up in the corridor; nor was he in the park on the numerous occasions when I was subject to antisemitic abuse and threats of violence; nor in the Chinese takeaway when the same thing happened etc etc etc

I didn’t report any of the above to police, teachers etc, because I just thought it was normal. At school, there were casual antisemitic remarks on as many days as there weren’t. (I went to a pretty bad state secondary school.)

I repeat, I am not, to the best of my knowledge, psychologically scarred by it, or at all bothered by it, and this is the first time I’ve thought about it all for many years: because at the time it felt just like being called ‘specky’ or ‘plooky’ (trans: ‘spotty’) or whatever.

But the notion that there has been (and is) no antisemitism in Scotland is very very stupid indeed: and is far stupider than even Tony Lerman’s part-hidden underlying suggestion that those who express concern are merely some kind of Zionist frauds.

Funny how Berchmans went conspicuously silent and turned up in the thread a day later right at the end only to ignore Gardner’s comment.

49 replies »

  1. I am grateful to CiFwatch for sifting through the dross and racism on Comment is Free to find gems like this.

    Although I was a Guardian reader for over a decade I long since gave it up.

    I find the constant, deliberate and provocative racism within Comment is Free more than my stomach can take, so when CiFwatch hunts through the Guardian’s filth it saves me a lot of time and trouble, and I am very appreciative of their efforts.

  2. So much of Berchmans’ antisemitism is a gift to those who want to point it up as representative of CiF as a whole:

    “03 May 08, 7:26pm

    MITNAGED

    .

    ##Would you give us the benefit of your towering intellect##

    .

    I disagree but I admire your honesty.*

    .
    ## as to why Hamas should hate Jews “now” ##

    .

    I’d hate them big style if they corralled my people, humiliated my folks ,made my dad stand and show his papers to a kid a quarter his age etc etc etc

    .

    ## the Hamas Charter which has absolutely no mention of Jew-hatred in it? ##

    .

    The HAMAS charter is a shocker. The *JEW-hate* is a gift for Zionists, but I guess HAMAS didnt see that as a difficulty.

    .

    Hating JEWS is OK if they deserve it. You make it sound like anti Semitism. (emphasis mine)

    .

    B

    PS * Stolen from Bob Hope.”

    And lest people think that was an aberration, we have a quote from Berchmans by Shachtman at http://cifwatch.com/2010/06/10/lerman-mocking-peoples-fears-of-antisemitism/ showing us how enduring is this character and personality flaw:

    ” June 10, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Shachtman
    1 Votes

    Quantcast

    Also after a comment saying Ahmadinejad was an antisemite Berchmans posted the following reply :

    “##Ahmadinejad is pretty clearly an anti-Semite ##

    .

    Well ..if the Catholics were strangling the Palestinians he’d probably be anti Catholic …what’s your problem with anti Semitism if its earned? (emphasis mine)

    B”

    No wonder Scotland has antisemitism if this is the best show that training there in “anti discrimination” can offer.

  3. A good post by Mark Gardner but all this attention to Berchmans is really just playing into the troll’s hands.

  4. FoolMeOnce- I agree with you about Berchmans. Whenever I see these back and forth posts revolving around something Berchmans said, I go away. I have only some much time in the day, and there are many more things that concern me than what Berchmans said.

  5. Hawkeye

    I live in the most violent country in W Europe…killings are a weekly occurrence racist attacks are two a penny….murders of Muslims are common.

    Any anti Semitism is deplorable.. but lets not go overboard…it is extremely rare compared to other issues here.This is a safe place for Jews to live.

    Yo ho ho

    It is great seeing my back catalogue . Obviously you are more comfortable considering what I said or did not say 2 years ago …the alternative is to look at the present situation with Israel . Now thats what I call a challenge.

  6. Only a few days ago Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans was arguing that there had only been about two antisemitic instances in two centuries in Scotland.

    His knowledge, and profound lack of it, is laughable.

    I wasn’t familiar with his output on CIF, but having seen his comments here and his contemptible attitude I can only say that rarely do you meet such a highly educated, ill informed, glaringly ignorant individual, who is always willing to share is lack of knowledge with others.

    He should remember Mark Twain’s adage:

    “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

    I can’t think of a more fitting summary of Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans’ attitude.

  7. modernityblog

    “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

    Very appropriate. Thank you.

  8. Berchy:
    >
    >
    killings are a weekly occurrence racist attacks are two a penny

    Britain has a comparitively very low murder rate comparedc with most of the planet.

    As for racist attacks, I don’t know the stats, but again, I would imagine them to be compatively low – especially in Scotland!!!

    murders of Muslims are common.

    In the UK? Not so. Check the stats. Muslims are probably safer in the UK than in many Islamic states.

    I’d like you to show me the sources you are using, Berchmans.

    Live long and prosper.

  9. modernityblog/

    “Berchmans was arguing that there had only been about two antisemitic instances in two centuries in Scotland ”

    6 centuries…I meant attacks comparable to the attacks on muslims here where there have been murders this century. I know this is a site for defending Jews and all power to you.

    Very occasionally I think …I wish they would support all minorities …

  10. …I wish they would support all minorities …

    I’m sure “they” do, but as CiF is a site for attacking principally, if not exclusively Jews, then this site is a place for supporting Jews against the lies and incitement to Jew hatred propagated at CiF. Haven’t you understood that yet?

    I certainly support many minorities, like the Kurds, the Tibetans, and others, but not all minorities deserve support.

    The KKK are a minority, as are the BNP…

  11. Berchmans

    It is great seeing my back catalogue . Obviously you are more comfortable considering what I said or did not say 2 years ago …the alternative is to look at the present situation with Israel . Now thats what I call a challenge.

    When you are confronted with the following facts simply quoting your own words:

    a. you are a pathological liar
    b. you are a schoolbook example of an antisemite
    c. your ignorance regarding racism is simply ashtonishing
    (yes I know you are a scholar of anti-discrimination among other subjects)

    then you start with the what about the situation of Israel. Taking into account your criticism about whartaboutery regarding Darfur, Sri Lanka etc. means the apart from the above

    d. you are a hypocrite too

    Don’t misunderstand me you are not an exception, you are a perfect example of a Guardian schooled Islamofascist Jew-hater. What is special – you are so thick that don’t realize the absurdity of your posting here and helps to justify the purpose of this website. So please keep it up.

  12. I suppose you’re going to sob into your whiskey Berchmans and say you are a changed person now and no longer an antisemite.

    Schachtman’s quote was from this year…

    Unlike your weasely friend Bunglawala who is as much an antisemite now as he was in his younger days when he made the “Tribe of Judah” remarks, but now tries his best to hide his Jew-hatred but still fails, you don’t bother even to try to hide yours.

    PeterParker, he probably can’t remember which pamphlet or webpage he got them from.

    And Fooledmeonce, you are most likely right. I can’t imagine why this wretch is still allowed to post here if not to show us all in the best possible light.

  13. Yohoho

    .

    “I suppose you’re going to sob into your whiskey Berchmans and say you are a changed person now and no longer an antisemite.”

    It is “whisky” you ignoramus..only Irish and American diesel that they call whiskey is spelled whiskey. ..and no I am not a changed person. I am incapable genetically of being anti Semitic and always was.

    PS You spelled Shactman wrong as well . I dont know what quote you mean. I dont know why I communicate with folk that struggle with their spelling and their grasp of politics I guess I am just a rainbowy… understanding kind of guy.

    peterthehungarian

    ” you are a perfect example of a Guardian schooled Islamofascist Jew-hater. ”

    OK I admit it . I hate Islamofascist Jews. 🙂 Is there a Hungarian word for ” predictable dullard “? 🙂 Please dont stop ..watching you step on cow pats helps me through the day.

  14. Berchmans is either a won’t learn or a can’t learn. Probably both. I try not to talk to him. He hangs around here like one of those hulking big bullies hanging around the playground hoping to be included in the fun but he doesn’t understand the games or the terms used. He knows the language but the way it’s put together eludes him so he clings to the things he knows:

    Someone keeps referring to him as ”highly educated”. That’s very kind of them but inappropriate I think. I see no evidence for this.

  15. Agree with you Arabeller Meller

    He’s challenged all right and probably a masochist. Why else would he call a supporter of stoning, Jew-hating, Mawdudi loving weasel like Bunglawala gentle?

    Peter, agree with you, 100% too

  16. Lerman: “But the response of the SCoJeC’s public affairs officer, Leah Granat, to Salmond’s address and its suggestion that the authorities in Scotland are not properly categorising incidents seems to imply a degree of criticism of the SNP government and the police, which is unjustified. Scottish civil servants and the police are extraordinarily receptive to Jewish concerns, keen to learn as much as they can about the dynamics of antisemitism and determined to create a positive environment in Scotland in which all minorities can celebrate their contributions to Scottish society and maintain and develop their cultural traditions.”

    Sanctonious git Lerman – Granat lives there, you do not. Is there no intellectually dishonest depth to which you will not sink to pursue your anti-Israel agenda?

  17. What peterthehungarian said.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans is both pathetic and unintentionally amusing.

    Having been found out concerning his views on antisemitism in Scotland he starts to shift his position and say it is relative to the position of Muslims.

    A rather transparent tactic on his part, as we can see by his original words.

    http://cifwatch.com/2010/06/09/the-one-about-hamas/#comment-24980

    ”June 10, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Heres to Davy. 1 Votes
    RedSeaPedestrian

    your “there is no AS in Scotland” line.

    I am sorry if I gave the impression there was none at all. I believe that there has been 2 cases in Edinburgh where 2 fires were started outside a synagogue..and a boy was assaulted in Glasgow 4 years ago. About one incident for every 2 hundred years of our history. Given that we are the most violent country in Europe …it is quite an achievement,”

    Readers will notice where his original argument comes from, basically, that Scotland here is an incredibly violent country and comparatively (according to him) there is little antisemitism. Again, according to him, one instance every 200 years, now we know that is false even from the 2009 figures on antisemitism.

    But you will notice that he doesn’t apologise for his previous blatant lies and misrepresentations.

    No, instead Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans employs the “it is worse for other people” gambit.

    As if the the existence of violence against Muslims somehow excuses violence against Jews.

    That’s Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans type of thinking, one off sets the other.

    In short, it is the thinking of a bigot.

    Most people here would deplore any violence against Muslims in Scotland irrespective of anything else.

    I very much doubt IF had Muslims complained about violence in Scotland against them that Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans would employ the argument “well, it is worse for Catholics/Blacks, etc” but that is the argument he’s using against Jews.

    He is, like many that suffer from such prejudices, incapable of seeing that one does not depend on the other, in fact, they are mutually exclusive.

    Violence against ANY ethnic or social minority is wrong and isn’t made any better by finding a worse victim and pointing to them.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans is unlikely to employ this type of argument when dealing with violence against women, by saying “well, they have it a lot worse in Russia, you know”.

    It is a pathetic form of argument, much like its proponent.

    Violence against Jews, Muslims, blacks, the Roma, women, etc is wrong. Period.

    It can’t be relativised as Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans would have us believe.

  18. [ops, blockquote and bold needs fixing! Mods please can you delete the above, I’ll try again:]

    What peterthehungarian said.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans is both pathetic and unintentionally amusing.

    Having been found out concerning his views on antisemitism in Scotland he starts to shift his position and say it is relative to the position of Muslims.

    A rather transparent tactic on his part, as we can see by his original words.

    http://cifwatch.com/2010/06/09/the-one-about-hamas/#comment-24980

    ”June 10, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Heres to Davy. 1 Votes
    RedSeaPedestrian

    your “there is no AS in Scotland” line.

    I am sorry if I gave the impression there was none at all. I believe that there has been 2 cases in Edinburgh where 2 fires were started outside a synagogue..and a boy was assaulted in Glasgow 4 years ago. About one incident for every 2 hundred years of our history. Given that we are the most violent country in Europe …it is quite an achievement,”

    Readers will notice where his original argument comes from, basically, that Scotland here is an incredibly violent country and comparatively (according to him) there is little antisemitism. Again, according to him, one instance every 200 years, now we know that is false even from the 2009 figures on antisemitism.

    But you will notice that he doesn’t apologise for his previous blatant lies and misrepresentations.

    No, instead Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans employs the “it is worse for other people” gambit.

    As if the the existence of violence against Muslims somehow excuses violence against Jews.

    That’s Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans type of thinking, one off sets the other.

    In short, it is the thinking of a bigot.

    Most people here would deplore any violence against Muslims in Scotland irrespective of anything else.

    I very much doubt IF had Muslims complained about violence in Scotland against them that Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans would employ the argument “well, it is worse for Catholics/Blacks, etc” but that is the argument he’s using against Jews.

    He is, like many that suffer from such prejudices, incapable of seeing that one does not depend on the other, in fact, they are mutually exclusive.

    Violence against ANY ethnic or social minority is wrong and isn’t made any better by finding a worse victim and pointing to them.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans is unlikely to employ this type of argument when dealing with violence against women, by saying “well, they have it a lot worse in Russia, you know”.

    It is a pathetic form of argument, much like its proponent.

    Violence against Jews, Muslims, blacks, the Roma, women, etc is wrong. Period.

    It can’t be relativised as Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans would have us believe.

  19. Good God! You’re not telling me that prize nincompoop Berchmans is a Scot!?

    So am I! How emBARrassing! For me, not him.

    I recall a liitle girl in my primary school in Glasgow, surname Affrossman. There was no antismetism as far as I recall, perhaps later she suffered it at secondary school. In those day we sat in order of brain-power. She always sat next to me. I was usually 2nd cleverest in the class.

    And yet I recall no bullying of her intellect or religion. Most of the boys in our class were confused enough anyway. It’s tough being at a Protestant school and supporting the local football team which happens to be on your school doorstop – a couple of hundred yards away in Celtic Park.

    Berchmans sounds like the same kind of Scot that Alex Salmond is – the denial sort. I recall Salmond boasting that in Scotland “we don’t have inter-racial incidents or trouble with immigrants in OUR community.” That was a week or two before the Glasgow airport bombings when Islamist fundamentalist medics, based at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, crashed into the airport wall, killing one of their number.

  20. My, this is Berchman’s finest hour- so much attention.

    You’re wasting your time, all.

  21. didn’t he also write that “Anti-Semitism is simply hating Jews more than is absolutely necessary?”

    Disgraceful, but he says what most CiF commentators only think.

  22. Yotha

    “didn’t he also write that “Anti-Semitism is simply hating Jews more than is absolutely necessary?”

    Yes…well spotted…. he in fact did not write this.

    keeptonyblairforpm

    ” nincompoop Berchmans ”

    With Blair as part of my name Id walk quietly when addressing others my mass murder supporting pal.

    ” Glasgow, no antismetism as far as I recall, .. no bullying of her intellect or religion. ”

    Glasgow…the mean city …in areas..poor ..violent ..desperate ..grossly high murder rate.. no hope..yet no anti Semitism ..interesting eh? It does not suit the Israeli narrative…we have no place in Europe .

    Modernity blog

    “But you will notice that he doesn’t apologise ”

    If you notice I begin with the words ” I am sorry” ..up here that is an apology.

    “Most people here would deplore any violence against Muslims in Scotland ”

    What a load of hooey. I have never seen a single word of comfort for any Muslim on CIFWatch…except if as a way of attacking other Muslims…e g the poor kids that Hamas indoctrinate. You really have no idea how bigotted and extremist you are.

    Arabella Meller

    “Someone keeps referring to him as ”highly educated..no evidence..” ”

    I attended many unis and have many bits of paper… all pretty rubbish if the truth be told. I am no towering intellect.

    However I studied anti Discrimination which no one here had even heard of. This is why I can stand up to everyone together…because this is a site for spotting discrimination and… no disrespect ..but no one here has the faintest idea what this means…everyone knows a bit about antiSemitism …but to concentrate on this is …in itself discriminatory.

    Thats why this is such fun ..I am like the dull average kid 14 year old in a class of sharp 5 year olds.

  23. Heres to Davy.

    However I studied anti Discrimination which no one here had even heard of.

    I believe you Berchmans. More intelligent and realistic people that me may think that you are a pathetic lying turd.

    They probably remember when Halgeel88 was ‘clicking’ about doctors with Jewish sounding names performing vaginal reconstructive surgery for huge amounts of money.

    You waded in reading her the riot act!

    Just joking. You were on the thread but no condemnation of her filthy words.

    So. I believe you Berchmans.

  24. However I studied anti Discrimination which no one here had even heard of. This is why I can stand up to everyone together…because this is a site for spotting discrimination and… no disrespect ..but no one here has the faintest idea what this means…everyone knows a bit about antiSemitism …but to concentrate on this is …in itself discriminatory.

    Thats why this is such fun ..I am like the dull average kid 14 year old in a class of sharp 5 year olds.

    A mistake Berchmans. Every poster on this site know perfectly well your kind of scholarly anti-discrimination – in common language it is called anti-semitism,
    bigotry, racism and ignorance.
    BTW Wich UK university has courses on “how to be a an antisemite and being proud of it?” What academic degrees they give their students? Please organise a boycott against Israel at your ex alma mater its “scholars” are not welcome here…

  25. Once more, Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans does not provide a sincere apology for his gross misrepresentation, rather he says “sorry” in the same way that you might say when bumping into someone on the bus.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans is incapable of acknowledging in a clear and unambiguous way that his knowledge of Scottish antisemitism is both anecdotal and wrong.

    He can’t acknowledge the threefold increase in the last year or so.

    He lacks the integrity and necessary character to honestly debate these topics.

  26. JerusalemMite

    ” They probably remember when Halgeel88 was ‘clicking’ about doctors with Jewish sounding names performing vaginal reconstructive surgery for huge amounts of money. ”

    I have written 10K posts to CIF…and all you can come up with is when I did not attack Halgeel ? …3 years ago was it? Thats it? Effin desperate. No disrespect but you should stay in your own division.

  27. Hi Berchie. Speaking as a friend you do need to do something about your obsessive denial of antisemitism. For your own peace of mind if for nothing else. Winding up people over antisemitism isn’t kinda creepy. Anyway i’m going to repeat the comments i made on a recent thread as i think the thread had died out by the time i got to it. So below is proof that you need to sort yourself out.

  28. Berchie. As an veteran on CIF can i remind people of the following. Please bear with me as it shows to what depths Bechie will sink.

    A COMMENT ON CIF SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS AS BELOW. ALSO BELOW THIS COMMENT IS BERCHMAN’S REPLY.

    THE ORIGINAL COMMENT

    Rokossovsky2
    Comment No. 1084018
    January 27 10:06
    USA And does “confronting the past” include remembering the “synagogue
    gatherings” in the 1930s by Kiev NKVD officers who had just
    participated in the forced starvation/extermination of 6-7 million
    Ukrainian men, women, and children? At a time when any “church
    gathering” would have been a quick ticket to a mass NKVD grave or the
    Gulag.

    See p. 111 of Special Tasks by the very pro-Jewish Stalinist spymaster
    Pavel Sudoplatov.

    Most people were innocent of atrocities, but when one group’s thugs
    murder innocents, the victim group’s thugs take revenge … if enough
    of them survive. What happened in Europe in the 1930s and early 1940s
    was essentially the same as what we have seen in Yugoslavia, Africa,
    etc. No one group has exclusive rights to victimhood. An ethnically
    unbiased Genocide Day would be more inclusive, truthful, and
    appropriate.

    See also the 28May99 Chronicle of Higher Education article about
    University of Chicago professor Peter Novick’s concern at how the
    Holocaust was being used as a moral hammer to justify immoral acts –
    like us forcing our war crime Kosovo war on the Serbs with Rambouillet
    Appendix B, for example. (See also Fred Smoler’s enthusiastic
    July-August 1999 American Heritage article about the use of the
    Holocaust to justify that war crime … war. Even the U.S. Holocaust
    Memorial Museum remembrance committee issued a statement supporting
    Kosovo … shamefully.)

    Is this Holocaust Day an annual event … or something special cooked
    up to implicitly legitimize Israel illegally attacking Iran … and
    starting World War 3?

    Lou Coatney, Macomb Illinois

    BERCHMAN’S REPLY TO SOMEBODY WHO SAID IT WAS ANTISEMITIC WAS AS FOLLOWS

    Berchmans
    Comment No. 1084806
    January 27 19:37
    GBR HABIBTI

    .

    ## ROKOSSOVY2 .. vicious anti-Semitism.##

    .

    When you are hammering and you catch your thumb …what do you accuse
    the hammer of ?

    🙂

    B

  29. Also after a comment saying Ahmadinejad was an antisemite Berchmans posted the following reply :

    “##Ahmadinejad is pretty clearly an anti-Semite ##

    .

    Well ..if the Catholics were strangling the Palestinians he’d probably be anti Catholic …what’s your problem with anti Semitism if its earned?

    B”

  30. BTW – Here’s the actual comment that Berchie made re antisemitism in Scotland (before it was deleted). Funnily enough it was on a Lerman thread

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/15/israel-sharansky-zionism-jews-disapora#start-of-comments

    “Liar. Until 2006 there had never been a recorded case of anti Semitism in Scotland. A schoolboy was assaulted during the destruction in Beirut…no excuse.. it was an appalling but a totally unusual episode.

    Take it back or I will try to get your post removed.”

  31. And lastly Berchie (because i love you really)

    This is from a 2006 report , PUBLISHED BEFORE THE 2006 WAR IN LEBANON and several years before the war in Gaza.

    http://www.scojec.org/consultations/2006/06i_all-party_inquiry_into_antisemitism.pdf

    A man was recently convicted in Kilmarnock Sheriff Court of painting Nazigraffiti and shouting anti-Jewish abuse. His defence was that he had‘taken umbrage’ against Israel.

    ii)Jewish people shopping in Glasgow city centre were approached bymembers of the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign who asked them tosign a petition. When they declined to do so they were harangued andverbally abused and one lady was chased down the street eventually taking refuge in an indoor shopping centre.

    iii) A Jewish student has been ‘hounded’ for taking time off to observe theJewish festivals and for refusing to sit exams on the Jewish Sabbath. Shehas also been told that ‘since the university is a secular institution, it doesnot need to take any account of a student’s religion’ and that she is ‘notdoing you people any favours’, since, as a result, the university will thinktwice about taking anyone with ‘a Jewish name’ in future.

    iv)A Jewish university lecturer was the subject of an extended antisemitictirade from a student in the middle of a lecture. The university authoritiessubsequently asked the lecturer why he had upset the student.

    v)Students campaigning for the election of Mordechai Vanunu to the post ofRector of Glasgow University told students that “Israelis are evil. Jews areevil.”

    vi)An internet directory providing information about local services in Dundeeincluded both anti-Israel and antisemitic comments next to the addressand contact details of the local synagogue under the heading of ‘Jews’.

    vii)A member of the Dundee Jewish community recently commented thatbefore coming to Dundee he had never been exposed to routineantisemitism and that many people in his community feel very vulnerableand do not want to put their heads above the parapet by identifyingthemselves as Jewish.

    viii) Antisemitic graffiti have appeared in various locations in Edinburgh,notably on a wall above the Scottish Parliament building on the same daythat a Jewish charity that supports work in Israel was being discussed inthe Parliament.

    ix)Two years ago there was an attempt to firebomb the Edinburghsynagogue.

    x)Jewish students have reported that they feel persecuted and insecure oncampuses and that the situation has worsened in the last year. This resultsfrom publicity campaigns that demonise Jews by organisations such as theScottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign. A recent example is a posterdepicting Orthodox Jews comparing nuclear missiles to ‘KosherSausages’.

    xi)A Jewish GP who has worked in an ethnically diverse area of Glasgow formany years, and who has enjoyed excellent relations with his patients,reports that a patient recently ended a consultation by asserting at somelength that the GP was ‘the representative of the Israeli government inScotland’ and was by implication responsible for the activities of the Israeligovernment with which the patient vehemently disagreed.

    xii)A Jewish student has told us that she feels ‘marked out’ by other studentsbecause of her religion, and that she is generally introduced by them as‘the American Jew’. Some students have ‘reassured’ her that ‘we don’t seeyou as a Jew, you’re just like one of us’.

    xiii) A Jewish secondary school pupil wearing a skullcap was spat at in thestreet by an older teenager whilst other teenagers tried to grab his skullcapfrom his head.

    xiv) Regular verbal abuse from people in passing cars towards people wearingJewish dress, for example men wearing skullcaps.

  32. Hi Pretzelberg

    “Anyway: I’d take his word over Lerman’s any day.”

    Too right, i remember you asking me why so much animosity towards Lerman. Well some of us knew how Lerman operated before his appearance on CIF and glad that you’ve seen it for yourself having read his pieces on CIF.

    BTW – i didn’t get chance to reply to your comments re antisemitism and the Boer War. Anyway a quick google brings up a couple of articles that may help

    http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2010/03/jews-capitalism-jewish-anti

    http://contested-terrain.net/left-antisemitism-a-century-ago-the-anglo-boer-war/

    Hi Berchie – hope you’re well (inspite of your problem with antisemitism denial)

    I remember when you first claimed that there had never been an example of antisemitism in Scotland. After proving you wrong , you then claimed there had only been one example before the war in Gaza. Of course you were proven wrong again. So now you fall back to the fact that no Jewish person has ever been killed in Scotland.

    One day we must meet up for a couple of pints Berchie and you can tell me why you have such a problem that you have to deny antisemitism. I’m not into cod psychology so i’ll wait for the day, and i’m buying !

  33. PS Berchie, you said above “PS You spelled Shactman wrong as well ”

    As you did as well. It’s Shachtman (as in Max Shachtman). There are some Shachtmanites around – for instance the Trotskyist group AWL who take antisemitism seriously and they are on the far left and highly critical of the actions of the Israeli government..

    http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/02/05/zionism-anti-semitism-and-left

    http://www.workersliberty.org/node/6705

    http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/02/12/open-letter-editor-guardian

    http://www.workersliberty.org/node/6015

  34. Shachtman

    I condemn the firebombing as a ghastly act of murderous violence..all the rest seem unpleasant and worrying but some absurdly minor and rather desperate. ..‘we don’t seeyou as a Jew, you’re just like one of us’.

    You have included this alongside the firebombing which cannot be right.

    Did I say “strangling the Palestinians” ?…how stupid . How was I to know that 3 years later it would be being used as evidence??…still you are right ..we must watch our language. My thin excuse is I was angry at times I have been called some dreadful things myself.

    I will state this…there is intolerance towards Jews at times in Scotland and this has resulted in violence. I condemn all such violence as a National disgrace.

  35. I think B (i take it Berchmans is “Here’s To Davy”) has given a more understanding answer above. As somebody who has spent time in Glasgow and has Jewish friends there i think it’s good to know that people can listen.

  36. A long time ago there was a rabbi from Glasgow who i met many years years ago who was a convert to Judaism. He had grown up in one of the roughest parts of Glasgow and had converted to Judaism. Just saying like.

  37. “i think it’s good to know that people can listen.”

    Aye, right enough people can, but Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans seem an exception in that area.

    When backed into a corner he can try to show some moral outrage at the treatment of Jews in Scotland, but it is about as sincere as a used-car salesmen smile.

    Given a few more days he’ll revert to form, sneering from afar, peppering his comments with disdainful remarks, it is just a matter of time, that’s what bigots do….and that’s what Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans will do, returning to his past behaviour …he’s nothing, if not a creature of habit and prejudices….

  38. “…My thin excuse is I was angry at times I have been called some dreadful things myself…..”

    You see, there you go again, as if being “angry at times” is sufficient excuse to be antisemitic! YOU ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE TO ACT IN A CIVILISED MANNER! If you cannot exercise restraint then you need professional help, and the fact that you call it a “thin excuse” means that although you acknowledge that you should have done it, that acknowledgement means little unless you can prove over time that you will no longer do it.

    modernity, of course you are right.

  39. HairShirt

    ” You see, there you go again, as if being “angry at times” is sufficient excuse to be antisemitic! ”

    What are you on about. I was never ever anti Semitic …change the feckin record please…I said “strangling the Palies” …I regret it as it is inaccurate but why is it anti Semitic? Since that post a thousand Palies have been killed I repeat ..if you hit your thumb with a hammer what do you call the hammer?

  40. I was never ever anti Semitic…

    You are an amnesiac berchmans with a broken record…
    Schachtman supplied some of your classic antisemite posts only two days ago.

    You are so dumb Berchmans that sometimes I’m sorry for you and especially for your family members.

  41. “What are you on about. I was never ever anti Semitic”

    No, of course not, you are just bigoted, misanthropic and very stupid when it comes to the Middle East.

    But the question that is more important is, why do you even bother posting here?

    Nothing anyone says here gets through to you.

    You are repetitive, full of self-pity and playing the victim is hardly your trump card.

    Plus the fact you know next to nothing about the topics discussed here, other than some cursory facts gleaned from the Web.

  42. peterthehungarian

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    “Schachtman supplied some of your classic antisemite posts only two days ago”

    Effin nonsense. Shachtman provided a few posts that wild eyed fixates such as yourself could find a problem. If you read his post he said he would like to meet up. What the f*** does that tell you?

  43. Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans’ reply illustrates my point perfectly.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans can’t accept, intellectually, that anything he says is ambiguous, crude, offensive or seen by others as embodying racism.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans might at a long shot be able to spot racism against blacks, the Irish, The Roma, even Muslims, etc but he has an almost pathological blindspot when it comes to anti-Jewish racism.

    Of course, he can just about acknowledge it when it comes from the “right” sources, but anything else throws him off balance.

    So he gets it when a tattooed skinhead shouts racial abuse against Jews.

    He gets that, just about, but any critical thinking or analysis is ditched if that racial abuse (covered in weasel words) comes from different source, including himself.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans can’t understand why people who have never met him personally, would take his views as offensive or racist.

    You could give a dozen and one example, he simply wouldn’t understand them, his “blindspot” precludes it.

    It is a well observed fact that racists are often insensitive to their own racism and so it is with Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans.

  44. “modernity
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    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans’ reply illustrates my point perfectly.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans can’t accept, intellectually, that anything he says is ambiguous, crude, offensive or seen by others as embodying racism.

    Heres to Davy/abandon hope/Berchmans might at a long shot be able to spot racism against blacks, the Irish, The Roma, even Muslims, etc but he has an almost pathological blindspot when it comes to anti-Jewish racism.”

    What you say is true, but he also has a major blind spot when it comes to his expectations of minorities. In a kind of ‘two legs bad, four legs good,’ sort of way, he cannot accept that any member of a minority might behave badly.

    I remember a post some months ago when he was discussing his 20 year social work career in Glasgow.

    He made the point that in his whole experience he never once saw or heard of a case of wife beating or child abuse by a Muslim.

    Now look at that comment again, and step back from the labels for a moment. Especialy don’t react to the Muslim tag.

    Wife beating and child abuse are examples of criminal behaviour that are found and have been found in every community, race, ethnic group and religion ever. Every basket of apples has a few rotten ones.

    Logically there must have been a few people in that community committing those offences, but Berchmans didn’t find them. Did he look? Obviously not. His preconceptions stopped him doing his job and allowed misery and pain to go undiscoveed and unpunished.