General Antisemitism

Lies, lies, and lies about lies


This is a cross-post by Denis MacEoin of A Liberal Defence of Israel

I’m going to start this by talking about anti-Semitism. You’re probably all aware that anti-Israel activists, when told they are anti-Semites, hotly deny the charge, saying they are just opposed to Israel and its policies. I don’t believe them, any of them. Let’s start with anti-Semitism itself. We know that for some 2000 years, Jews have been persecuted across Europe and the Middle East, and that this persecution culminated in the Holocaust. The Holocaust had all sorts of knock-on effects, especially in Europe. I was brought up in the shadow of it. All my generation were. One thing the Holocaust did was to make anti-Semitism unpopular. You couldn’t admit openly you were an anti-Semite. Only ex-Nazis in the comfort of their private homes in South America or Cairo could get it off their chests, that they still hated Jews, that they still longed for another Holocaust. Everybody else avoided any association with the Nazis and far-right politics. Of course, as time passed, little groups of far-right lunatics stood around in wet fields making the Hitlergrüss and saying Seig Heil, because it made feel better to be absolute nonentities in funny suits. People on the left became pro-Jewish and, for a time, pro-Israeli.

But gradually, mainly in the past twenty years or so, there came a point when people couldn’t keep their hatred of Jews pent up any longer. These weren’t fascist thugs any longer so much as self-proclaimed liberals and leftists. They became infected with anti-Semitism because they wanted someone to pity and the Jews were no longer pitiable. In Wanderings, Chaim Potok’s very readable history of the Jews, he says ‘there are no more gentle Jews’. This time round, he argues, the Jews will not let themselves be herded onto railway trucks and shepherded into gas chambers. The young men and women of today’s IDF exemplify Potok’s declaration perfectly. Pity the Nazi who tries to herd them anywhere.

For some reason, a lot of people don’t like this. But they still don’t like to be called anti-Semites, because anti-Semitism is a form of racism, and they aren’t racists. They think they aren’t racists because anti-racism is the keystone of modern right-on politics. But they are racists, so they have a problem. They have a lot of circles to square, and to do that they have employed a range of lies that cast a spell on the media and most of the general public. It goes something like this. The Jews are no longer suffering, but someone must be suffering in order to deserve our pity, and the obvious candidates for victimhood are the Palestinians, because those nice Arabs I met at our conference tell me they are. This must mean that the Jews are… A hard think here, I suppose, then the obvious answer. The Jews, sorry, the Israelis are Nazis. Not ‘like the Nazis’. They are Nazis. That sweet young Israeli girl doing her first year in the IDF and feeling pangs of homesickness every night is a Nazi. That boy with a kippa dovening in a field full of tanks is a Nazi. Gilad Schalit is a Nazi.

Next, if there’s to be some sort of equivalence, there has to be a Holocaust. What? you say. What? But it’s obvious, they reply. There has been a Holocaust of the Palestinians. If this makes you feel nauseated, I don’t blame you. You ask, when, how many, where? They sneer and talk about Jenin (51 dead) and say it’s worse than gas chambers. And to make this worse, a lot of them deny the real Holocaust, aided and abetted by a UN member state, Iran.

As a result of this warped style of thinking, we are living in a fantasy world. It doesn’t matter how many rockets Hamas fire, they are some sort of friendly prank. The separation fence isn’t a fence but an ‘apartheid wall’. And it doesn’t matter how racially mixed and free and democratic Israel is, it is, as we all know, an apartheid state. It’s unimportant how many times the Palestinians say they refuse to recognize Israel and to make peace, because we know they are the true peace-makers, and it’s the Israelis who are the obstacles to peace.

The thing is, this is all so transparent a three-year-old could see through it. It’s like those Visible Man dolls, all its veins and organs and bones on display. Why do so many people fall for all this? A lot of them are students. Where on earth are they studying, what subjects, with whom? Because something basic is wrong with their education. Two weeks ago I went to a lecture on Islamophobia by a rabid anti-Israeli speaker. This man was in his 40s and dressed as if he was sixteen. He spoke in a very loud voice, and he thundered home the message that racism was wrong and islamophobia was wrong. He is a senior lecturer at a university near me. He could not tell the difference between racism and feelings of disquiet about a religion. This is the standard that passes for rigorous across the board today. Nobody wants to think any more, least of all about Israel. They hate Israel with a viciousness that can only originate in dark psychological problems with Jews. I don’t know why that is, and I don’t know how to solve it, but it’s the most dangerous single thing in the world today. I mean it. Hatred of Israel is going to provoke another war in the Middle East, and that war is capable of spreading to Europe, America and beyond. Iran is in the hands of lunatics, and other lunatics have made hatred of Israel the only political issue of any importance in the world. If we don’t do something to stop this, a lot of people are going to die. And they won’t all be Israelis.

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  1. Islam is neither left nor right. It will sleep with anyone to further its spread and influence. Whereas your White supremacist anti-Semite does not discriminate between Islam and Judaism, or indeed an Asian or an African (he hates them all in equal measure), your leftie (progressive, ha!) does have a discerning distaste for Jews.

    If Israel wasn’t there, they’ll have to invent it.

  2. Toko LeMoko to me:
    “Islamic antisemitism has nothing to do with the western left”

    To which I would say:
    Islamic anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the western left, except its anti-Semitism. On that one issue, they’re united.

  3. “Toko LeMoko to me:”

    Rural, you err. Ian claimed “Islamic antisemitism has nothing to do with the western left” and I refuted it.

  4. Ian

    For a major daily newspaper in the United States to be as blatantly anti-Semitic as The Guardian is today, one might have to go all the way back to the days of the Dearborn Independent (and technically, that was a weekly.)

    Thank you, Ian, for providing Exhibit A of centre-left anti-Semitism – namely, your own denial of it. In fact, the New York Times is nearly as anti-Semitic as the Guardian. So, too, are the Huffington Post, the Nation, DailyKos, ….

    During the recent flotilla matter, centre-left news sources ran daily anti-Israeli coverage. The centre-right National Review ran daily pro-Israeli articles.

    I believe Glazov’s, Shepherd’s, and Harrison’s books all have chapters documenting this phenomenon (of inversion of the left and right in the matter of sympathy for anti-Semitism). But it was Perlmutter who intially pointed out the phenomenon as far back as the 1960’s.

  5. Rural:

    Islamic anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the western left, except its anti-Semitism. On that one issue, they’re united.

    On that point, we are in agreement. The rationales they have for their antisemitism are incommensurable– which is fine for them since they don’t like to think too long about their odd bedfellows. Explaining either dhimma or how Arab nationalism has a genocidal racist component tends to create cognitive dissonance in the typical “red anti-Semite.”

    Toko:

    Thank you, Ian, for providing Exhibit A of centre-left anti-Semitism – namely, your own denial of it. In fact, the New York Times is nearly as anti-Semitic as the Guardian. So, too, are the Huffington Post, the Nation, DailyKos, ….

    The Huffington Post and DailyKos are not newspapers. They are blogs. They don’t claim to the level of journalistic integrity one expects of the New York Times. They also advertise their ideological biases openly, as does The Nation which is a weekly, not a daily (again, note that I specifically said “daily newspaper.”) The Nation also has a circulation of ~180 thousand while the daily circulation of the NYT is ~950 thousand. The Guardian has a daily circulation of ~280 thousand, by comparison.

    As to the alleged antisemitism of the NYT I should point out that during Operation Cast Lead, the NYT , while not uncritical, was often the first to debunk he scurrilous accusations that British sources like The Guardian and BBC were prone to make against the IDF and also reported at length about Hamas’ atrocities. In fact it was the NYT‘s correspondent in Gaza who broke the story that Hamas was using the fighting as a pretext to commit additional assassinations on Palestinian dissidents.

    Let me assure you that American anti-Semites still see the NYT as either a Jewish or Zionist newpaper.

  6. Ian

    “The Huffington Post and DailyKos are not newspapers.”

    What difference does it make? They represent the left and they exude anti-Semitism. Or do you think Jews are happier when shit upon electronically rather than in hard copy?

    ” the level of journalistic integrity one expects of the New York Times

    Placing the NYT in the same sentence as journalistic integrity is as much as oxymoron as kosher bacon. Your discussion of circulation is also irrelevant; anti-Semitism is on quite visible display at any leftist gathering these days.

    You’re welcome to close your eyes to it; I expect nothing better than revisionism and denial from leftists. But you put yourself in the same league as Holocaust revisionists and deniers.

    “the NYT, while not uncritical, was often the first to debunk …”

    Your defense sounds of the NYT like Krupp’s – “we made crematoria but also made diapers”. Similarly, the NYT occasionally publishes objective material but more often publishes outrightly anti-Semitic material, from genocidal terrorists like Qadafi and Meshal to brutal anti-Semites like Freeman and Bell.

    “Let me assure you that American anti-Semites still see the NYT as either a Jewish or Zionist newspaper.”

    Oh, then you admit your standards are those of the average anti-Semite?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_new_york_times_and_the_jew.html
    The New York Times and the Jews

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20132&only
    Open Antisemitism at New York Times

    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-york-times-covers-for-egyptian-anti.html
    The New York Times covers for Egyptian anti-Semitism

    In case you’re incapable of finding it for yourself, here’s some additional documentation of the anti-Semitism of the left:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-466785/The-new-anti-Semitism-How-Left-reversed-history-bring-Judaism-attack.html
    The new anti-Semitism: How the Left reversed history to bring Judaism under attack

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_7_23_02td.html
    The British Left Goes Anti-Semitic

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001999939_alexander09.html
    The Democratic Party’s anti-Semitism problem

    http://www.amazon.com/United-Hate-Romance-Tyranny-Terror/dp/1935071602
    Glazov on leftist anti-Semitism

    http://www.amazon.com/Resurgence-Anti-Semitism-Liberal-Opinion-Philosophy/dp/0742552276/
    Harrison on leftist anti-Semitism

    http://www.amazon.com/State-Beyond-Pale-Europes-Problem/dp/0297856642/
    Shepherd on leftist anti-Semitism

    http://www.amazon.com/Real-Anti-Semitism-America-07138/dp/0877953783/
    ADL’s Perlmutter on leftist anti-Semitism

    A long bibliography of works on the rampant anti-Semitism of the left:
    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism.html

  7. Sorry Toko, but you clearly can’t tell the difference between the American fringe and the American center, and since some of your sources are from one end of the American fringe and really can’t be taken very seriously. (I’ve read “American Thinker” enough to realize that its writers are quite willing to make things up.)

    Furthermore, not being able to distinguish between a blog and a daily newspaper in terms of influence, readership, and willingness of the readers to take it seriously is just a little silly.

    Antisemitism exists in America, left, right, and center, as it does in Europe. However, as I pointed out, blatant expressions of anti-Semitic views on the left, relegates one to the fringe (Noam Chomsky– better known outside of America) and is often a career ender (Cynthia McKinney), while blatant expressions of anti-Semitic views on the right rarely carry the same weight of approbation: Pat Buchanan has been a known Holocaust denier for decades, Mel Gibson made a fortune off of The Passion of The Christ, and of course recent presidential candidate Ron Paul who has a long history of ties with white supremacist and anti-Semitic groups.

    Yes, this may be quite the opposite of how it works in the U.K.

  8. Hawkeye-

    You have a great talent for misattributing other people’s stated views.

    Apparently, it’s not enough for you that I oppose antisemitism on left and right (and to that end, appreciate CIFwatch’s mandate) but I have to have the exact same hitlist as you do.

    What seems to upset you and your friends are my observations that:

    a.) beyond antisemitism, there is really no intellectual congruity between left-wing antisemitism and Islamic antisemitism;

    b.) there seems to be some effort to ignore the right-wing antisemitism in this thread to a point of pretending it doesn’t exist; and

    c.) the the political fortunes of antisemitism in Britain and America are different.

  9. @ Ian –

    “Hawkeye-

    You have a great talent for misattributing other people’s stated views.”

    Did you mean someone else? I haven’t participated in this thread.

  10. I apologize, Hawkeye. I addressed you in error.

    I when Toko’s last message came to me via email, it was formatted oddly, and I misread the author heading.

  11. Are you saying that you believe Fowke to be representative of the average ‘typical’ English person? Good heavens of course I don’t. “Typical” is far too generalised for me. Pretzelberg said he didn’t know anybody of that type. I gave him an easy example.

  12. To Ian the revisionist denier:

    “However, as I pointed out, blatant expressions of anti-Semitic views on the left, relegates one to the fringe (Noam Chomsky– better known outside of America) and is often a career ender (Cynthia McKinney), while blatant expressions of anti-Semitic views on the right rarely carry the same weight of approbation: Pat Buchanan has been a known Holocaust denier for decades, Mel Gibson made a fortune off of The Passion of The Christ, and of course recent presidential candidate Ron Paul who has a long history of ties with white supremacist and anti-Semitic groups.”

    Baloney.

    The NYT and Huffington are the greatest vectors of anti-Semitism in the USA in the past quarter-century, with little condemnation from the centre-left mainstream. Buchanan, on the other hand, has been forced from the Republican mainstream, most notably by a 40,000-word essay by no less than Buckley, condemning Buchanan as anti-Semitic. Ron Paul is looked at as an oddball by most on the centre-right, while Gibson was firmly rejected once his anti-Semitism was clearly expressed.

  13. To Ian the revisionist denier:

    At what point does your denial of (mainstream left) anti-Semitism, become anti-Semitism?

    “beyond antisemitism, there is really no intellectual congruity between left-wing antisemitism and Islamic antisemitism;”

    Again, baloney. Left-wing anti-Semitism in both Europe and the USA has turned Islamic anti-Semitism, once confined to the Mideast, into a juggernaut aimed at the heart of Israeli and Jewish surivival, threatening Israel’s relations with every western country, making European Jews live once again in fear, and allowing Muslims in the USA to make genocidal threats (“Khaybar! Khaybar!) with impunity.

    there seems to be some effort to ignore the right-wing antisemitism in this thread to a point of pretending it doesn’t exist;

    It’s not the centre-right but the centre-left which has adopted Islamophilic anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. Bush, for all his faults, was staunchly pro-Israeli. So was McCain. And it’s centre-right Christians (such as CUFI) who wave Israeli flags at their rallies, not the centre-left. (Can one imagine the Democrat’s guest of honour on its convention latform, Al Sharpton, waving an Israeli flag? He provoked nt one but two pogroms in NYC.)

    the the political fortunes of antisemitism in Britain and America are different

    That’s debatable, but you have just made an implicit admission that the European left is anti-Semitic.

  14. To Ian the revisionist denier:

    Phyllis Chesler is a well-known liberal who has documented the problem of the anti-Semitism of the mainstream left:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/078796851X/

    Symposium including Chesler and Glazov:
    http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=16292

    “Mere Rhetoric’s” view:
    http://www.mererhetoric.com/2007/01/24/mr-has-a-question-for-democratic-jews-are-you-fucking-retarded/

    A few more comments on leftist anti-Semitism:
    http://rightsideofthewrong.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/growingantisemitismoftheamericanleft/
    http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/31/oops-media-forgot-to-cover-left-wing-anti-semitism/
    http://www.factsandlogic.org/outstanding_feder.html
    http://undhimmi.com/2010/03/07/anti-semitic-left-gears-up-for-annual-israel-hate-fest/
    http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/left-wing-antisemitism-a-textbook-case/
    http://www.engageonline.org.uk/ressources/funny/
    http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-cohen-f04.htm
    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2008/fall/anti-semitism-goes-to-school
    http://www.therazor.org/?p=2525
    http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000221.html

    Oh, and how about that Obama, listening to Wright’s anti-Semitic rants for years? With only 6% of Israelis trusting him?

    Or Brzezinski, wanting the US to shoot down Israeli planes?

    Or Carter, forcig Brandeis to censor that Jewish untermensch Dershowitz?

    Or Hillary, who kissed Suha and called an aide a “f-cking Jew”?

    Or Helen Thomas’ anti-Semitic rant?

    Or Cindy Sheehan, who blamed the Jewish lobby for the Iraq war?

    Or Democratic Congressman Jim Moran, who blamed the Jewish lobby for the Iraq war?

  15. This “centrist” author has done an admirable job of surveying anti-Semitism in the left. Though he calls it the “radical” left in his title, his text addresses elements of the “mainstream” left (including civil rights leaders):

    https://newcentrist.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/leaving-the-radical-left-anti-zionism-anti-semitism-and-jewish-response-part-1/

    https://newcentrist.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/leaving-the-radical-left-anti-zionism-anti-semitism-and-jewish-response-part-2/

    http://newcentrist.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/leaving-the-radical-left-anti-zionism-anti-semitism-and-jewish-response-part-three-draft-1/

    He concludes: “it is surprising that more Jews are not leaving the left”

    And this American author may call it “p.c. anti-Semitism,” but p.c. is certainly associated with the left, not the right:
    http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/religion/features/n_9622/

  16. Buchanan, on the other hand, has been forced from the Republican mainstream, most notably by a 40,000-word essay by no less than Buckley, condemning Buchanan as anti-Semitic. Ron Paul is looked at as an oddball by most on the centre-right, while Gibson was firmly rejected once his anti-Semitism was clearly expressed.

    Except Buckley is the sort of old-style conservative who, were he still alive, would have no home in the Republican mainstream. Buchanan, on the other hand, is a well paid pundit and frequent expert on public affairs television programs in the U.S.

    Funny, Gibson’s Passion of the Christ was well received by the movie-going public.

    you have just made an implicit admission that the European left is anti-Semitic.

    I never stated otherwise. The difference is that I note that antisemitism is a very old tradition in Europe and is thus capable of taking root on the left and right.

    it’s centre-right Christians (such as CUFI) who wave Israeli flags

    Not at the demonstrations I attend. Mostly I see liberal Jews and equally liberal gentile friends.

    Much of CUFI’s membership and leadership advocates “replacement theology” which is inherently anti-Semitic. (Go research CUFI founder, John Hagee’s views on the Holocaust– and note that McCain has distanced himself from Hagee.) Their “support” for Israel is part of a desire to immanentize the eschaton which in their view ends with the destruction of Israel and the humiliation of the Jews who survive: they “support” Israel in order to see it destroyed while they enjoy the Rapture. They are still anti-Semites.

    Al Sharpton is a pariah to most within the Democratic party and he’s never held political office, though we both agree that he’s an anti-Semite.

  17. I don’t vouch for every one of Mere Rhetoric’s views, but on left-vs-right anti-Semitism the fellow has his eyes wide open (unlike Ian):

    http://www.mererhetoric.com/2007/01/24/mr-has-a-question-for-democratic-jews-are-you-fucking-retarded/

    “The Democratic party is structurally anti-Semitic, and it has nothing to do with their tendency to appease lunatics who seek the destruction of Israel (although, honestly, maybe that’s something you ought consider). Rather: the Democratic party is structurally anti-Semitic because at very level, from its moderates to its populists to its veterans to its base, it’s filled with real life anti-Semites.

    “Electing Democrats puts in place people who, to keep their power, have to respond to their viciously anti-Semitic grassroots. And they know it.

    “The GOP isn’t the perfect home for the Jew working towards an anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic world. But come on – this isn’t even close.

    “The Republican party is beholden to a base that supports Israel’s right to exist. The Democratic party is beholden to a base that treats Israel as a pariah committing a modern-day Holocaust against poor and defenseless Palestinians. No amount of inside baseball sophistication can alter this basic fact. Democratic politicians must represent and placate anti-Israel lunatics.”

    http://www.mererhetoric.com/2006/09/25/the-democratic-party-and-american-jews-the-divorce-is-going-to-be-ugly/
    The Democratic Party and American Jews: The Divorce Is Going To Be Ugly

    http://www.mererhetoric.com/2007/01/08/democratic-leader-pleased-israel-has-no-plans-to-defend-itself-from-iran/
    Democratic Leader [House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer] “Pleased” Israel Has No Plans To Defend Itself From Iran

  18. From the CUFI site at http://www.cufi.org/:

    Christians United for Israel (CUFI) is a national organization dedicated to giving Christians an opportunity to speak with one voice in support of Israel. CUFI holds hundreds of pro-Israel events every year. We pray that you will join us at one in your city.

    The Israel Pledge

    We believe that the Jewish people have a right to live in their ancient land of Israel, and that the modern State of Israel is the fulfillment of this historic right.

    We maintain that there is no excuse for acts of terrorism against Israel and that Israel has the same right as every other nation to defend her citizens from such violent attacks.

    We pledge to stand with our brothers and sisters in Israel and to speak out on their behalf whenever and wherever necessary until the attacks stop and they are finally living in peace and security with their neighbors.

    Waving Israeli flags:

    One Israeli’s comment on Youtube:
    I’m an Israeli Jew telling you I would take a Christian who thinks we Jews should not be hunted and our blood should not be spilled by every thug around, until God kills us him self, over Liberals who think we should constantly be sacrificed as an appeasement offering to whom ever threatens the oil prices, including risk a second holocaust in the making, while cynically being demonized and libeled, every day of the week.

  19. More American Christians waving Israeli flags in the face of anti-Semitic pro-Palestinian demonstrators:

    ” At the end of the rally, the Pro-Palestinians started yelling, “Die Israel” and praising Hitler.”

    Let’s guess which demonstrators are leftist and which rightist? It’s not hard – just use Guilder’s “Israel Test.”

  20. Toko LeMoko

    Please explain Guilder’s “Israel Test”. I hope I’m not the only one who’s never heard of it.

  21. SarahLeah

    … any accusations, much less evidence of antisemitism in the UK and elsewhere sends you into a tailspin of denial …

    Absolute rubbish. Why the lies?

    … probably for deep psychological reasons…

    How pathetic – particularly as it’s you who clearly has their prejudices to overcome here, after all.

  22. Ah!

    The test can be summarized by a few questions: What is your attitude toward people who excel you in the creation of wealth or in other accomplishment? Do you aspire to their excellence, or do you seethe at it? Do you admire and celebrate exceptional achievement, or do you impugn it and seek to tear it down? Caroline Glick … sums it up: “Some people admire success; some people envy it. The enviers hate Israel.”

    Today tiny Israel … stands behind only the United States in technological contributions. In per-capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/george_gilders_israel_test_who.html

  23. Hairshirt:

    “But are you talking in terms that the SEALS should not have boarded at all? If so, what should have happened instead?”

    To be honest.
    I don’t know.
    I am not of a militery back ground and trust the ones who chose this action are.

    Saying that, I believe the root causees were 2:
    1 – They seals were sent in a manner confronting what they have witnessed so far (aka demonstraitors).
    This confrontation was new to them as well as to the decision takers.

    2 – there is a possibility that someone wanted to make a point to the world that our army can be sacrificed in order to prevent harm to innocent and so they were sent with paint ball guns to prevent any injuries or to look less harmful.
    We know that this was a factor in the exactly opposite result.

  24. Ariadne:

    “Here is a really sad postscript to the previous observations. Even within the countries that pass the test, there are substantial segments of the population that fail individually (or in groups). This is true of even the United States. For heaven’s sake, the President of the United States gets a resounding failing mark on the test. And finally, painful as it is to admit, one must acknowledge that a not insignificant part of the Israeli public — largely left over from the halcyon days of Labor rule — flunks the test as well.”

    As if it is bad to try and devise ways to distribute the wealth evenly.

    No, we can’t have that.
    We’ll watch africans die but still sell both sides arms, chuckle…

    Admiring capitalism and other achievments is one thing.
    Seeing as a new religion is another.

    I agree with one thing though.

    Even as Israeli, when I close my eyes and try to picture my countrymen, the first thing I see is arrogance and loud pushy people.

    It’s only in Israel that you are expected to try your meat for free in a supermarket even when both you and the worker know that you know exactly what it tastes like and you would have bought it anyway.

    The human race must work over time if they want to leave anything to be marveled at.

  25. Ariadne, the American Thinker version may not be identical to Gilder’s (though it is not farr off).

    George Gilder is an American economist. In a fulllength book (entitled “The Israel Test”) and articles, he has suggested that one’s political outlook regarding Israel is an excellent proxy or bellweather for one’s political outlook in general, and particularly one’s attitude toward the west and its values – free speech, free maarket, etc.

    In brief, one can often tell a person’s entire weltanschauung from his views on Israel.

    One needn’t agree with all of Gilder’s philosophy to recognise that support of Israel tends to
    – correlate with the constellation of centre-right views: support of the west, opposition to Islam, support of free-market capitalism
    – correlate opposite to the constellation of politically-correct leftist views: anti-Americanism; sympathy to Islam; apologia for Hamas, Hizbullah, and Iran; apologia for communism, for Chavez, etc.

    Some references:
    http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Test-George-Gilder/dp/0980076358/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gilder

  26. Itsik, if the SEALS were deliberately sacrificed to make the IDF look less harmful then some high-ups should be court marshalled and thrown into prison for the damage they have done to Israeli morale.

    I believe that only when Israel ceases to try to please the world and look good, when it realises that its Islamist/Arab and far left enemies lack the scruple it has and that therefore it must fight back using their methods, will it be able to overcome them.

    The IDF is the most humane in the Middle East. Paradoxically, that is its Achilles heel. It needs to balance its humanity with the need to protect its people and to care very much less about a world opinion that it will never succeed in turning to its favour because it cannot get used to powerful Jewish people.

  27. pretzel you are doing it again! Why are you so defensive and why are your reactions to criticism of your VIEWS and OPINIONS so OTT?

    Calm down and we can speak. Until then, over and out.

  28. For heaven’s sake, the President of the United States gets a resounding failing mark on the test.

    Obama fails the test because he is indeed anti-Zionist, Islamophilic, and opposed to the core values of half the American public, including limited government and enforced borders.

    In other words, many of his characteristics – appeasement of Islam, liking for open borders, liking for positive discrimination, semi-nationalisation of large sectors of the economy – do seem quite anti-American.

    So the test works, and Obama fails it.

    But that has proved my point – in the west support of Israel correlates far more strongly with other centre-right views than with centre-left views.

    a not insignificant part of the Israeli public

    Gilder’s book clearly designed the test for the US environment, not Israel’s. In any case, Israel is always an exception; Israel may be the only country to have any major party both pro-Israeli and pro-gay.

  29. @ pretzelberg

    Obviously I’m going to get defensve when someone says about me that “any accusations, much less evidence of antisemitism in the UK and elsewhere sends you into a tailspin of denial”.

    It’s plain bullshit – and you are the source.

    When you yourself calm down, then perhaps we can move on. OK?

  30. Good God – now I’m talking to myself.

    That last post was addressed to SarahLeah.

    I think.

  31. Hair shirt,

    I am not saying that the seals were sacrificed because I’d like to believe no Israeli general will sign on such orders , but it seems they were sent unequiped for the reason I stated.

    The IDF is the most humane army in the ME and possibly the whole of Asia, but it is having to do policing work for the past 35 years in an area where the hostile population simply disregard it.

    It’s like policing an estate which has been rioting for 35 years.
    No police force in the world will sort this unless they start behaving like very poor police forces that are very trigger happy.

    US police force springs to mind.