Guardian

“Moderate” Palestinian Leader, Abbas, Demands that a Future Palestinian State Must be Completely “Judenfrei”


(Here’s something to take into consideration the next time a Palestinian leader is quoted uncritically in the Western press expressing outrage that Israel – where Arabs make up a full 20% of the population – is trying “Judaize” parts of the country.)

Courtesy of Jonathan D. Halevi (Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs):

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas revealed his version of his contacts with Israel during the Olmert government and his basic principles for a political agreement. On July 28, as reported by the Palestinian WAFA news service, he told journalists in Cairo:

“I’m willing to agree to a third-party that would supervise the agreement, such as NATO forces, but I would not agree to having Jews among the NATO forces, or that there will live among us even a single Israeli on Palestinian land.”

(This JCPA report represents the kind of critical context you simply will never get from the writers at The Guardian.)

See full report, in Hebrew, here.

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  1. The archetype sibling rivalry.

    Quotes from Wikipedia:-

    Ishmael (Hebrew: יִשְׁמָעֵאל, Modern Yishma’el Tiberian Yišmāʻēl; Greek: Ισμαήλ Ismaēl; Latin: Ismael; Arabic: إسماعيل‎, ʼIsmāʻīl) is a figure in the Hebrew Bible, and later referenced in the Qur’an. Jews, Christians and Muslims believe Ishmael is Abraham’s eldest son and first born. Ishmael is born of Sarah’s handmaiden Hagar (Genesis 16:3). Although born of Hagar, according to Mesopotamian law, Ishmael was credited as Sarah’s son; a legal heir through marriage. (Genesis 16:2) According to the Genesis account, he died at the age of 137 (Genesis 25:17).
    Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people, while Jewish traditions are split between those who consider Ishmael the northern Arab ancestor and those, like Maimonides, who believe that the northern Arabs are descended from the sons of Keturah, whom Abraham married after Sarah’s death.
    Judaism has generally viewed Ishmael as wicked though repentant. Judaism maintains that Isaac (the father of the Jewish people) rather than Ishmael was the true heir of Abraham. The New Testament contains few references to Ishmael. In some Christian biblical interpretations, Ishmael is used to symbolize the older—now rejected—Judaic tradition; Isaac symbolizes the new tradition of Christianity. Islamic tradition, however, has a very positive view of Ishmael, giving him a larger and more significant role. The Qur’an views him as an Islamic prophet. According to the contextual interpretation of some early Islamic theologians (whose view prevailed later), Ishmael was the actual son that Abraham was called on to sacrifice, as opposed to Isaac.

    Isaac (English pronunciation: /ˈaɪzək/; Hebrew: יִצְחָק, Modern Yitsẖak Tiberian Yiṣḥāq, “he will laugh”; Yiddish: יצחק, Yitskhok; Ancient Greek: Ἰσαάκ, Isaak; Latin: Isaac; Arabic: إسحٰق‎ or إسحاق ʼIsḥāq) as described in the Hebrew Bible, was the only son Abraham had with his wife Sarah, and was the father of Jacob and Esau. Isaac is one of the three patriarchs of the Jewish people. According to the Book of Genesis, Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born, and Sarah was beyond childbearing years.
    Isaac was the only Biblical patriarch whose name was not changed, and the only one who did not leave Canaan. Compared to those of Abraham and Jacob, Isaac’s story relates fewer incidents of his life. He died when he was 180 years old, making him the longest-lived patriarch.
    The New Testament contains several references to Isaac. The early Christian church viewed Abraham’s willingness to follow God’s command to sacrifice Isaac as an example of faith and obedience.
    Islam considers Ishaq (Isaac) as a prophet of Islam which describes Isaac as the father of the Israelites and a righteous servant of God.
    Some academic scholars have described Isaac as “a legendary figure”, while others view him as “a figure representing tribal history, though as a historical individual” or as “a seminomadic leader”.

    National Geographical offer a ‘deep DNA analysis’; were Messrs Abbas, Netanyahu to submit samples the results surely would be illuminating.

  2. or that there will live among us even a single Israeli on Palestinian land

    Puzzling, as that quote flies in the face of many previous statements in which Abbas has said that Jewish settlers in the WB would be welcome to stay in a Palestinian state.

  3. I have just recalled an earlier example of sibling rivalry: Cain versus Abel.

    Were this scenario to be repeated, I fear it would lead to a ‘zero state solution’ with global fall-out.

    Gaia would not be pleased with mankind.

  4. @ Ariadne

    Who are the “chancers” here, and what does the “good smacking” you recommend entail?

    And who are the “greedy, lying, denying bigoted land-grabbers” you refer to??

  5. Sarah Jane

    Why call me “curmudgeonly” when I simply asked Adriane to express herself in clearer terms? It was a sincere question on my part!

    Did your mother neglect you as a child?

    Your level of “debate” is YouTube-esque? Go away and come back once you’ve calmed down.

  6. Once (if) a two state solution is reached, not just the future Palestine but the entire muslim world will not tolerate a single Jew in their country.

    Similarly, in order to reciprocate in kind, Israel should then get rid of every person of muslim origin from their land.

  7. The only thing new about this is that somebody thinks its new.

    The laws are on the books, Jordanian and subsequent PA call for no Jews.
    It is illegal to sell land to a Jew- punishable by death

    The entire ethnic cleansing/apartheid/massacre frame of reference provided by the Arabs and their apologists are projecting as they demonize Israel.

    Any and every discussion on land has ALWAYS included the uprooting of Jews from their homes, from towns and kibbutzim that were created out of nothing.

    It boggles the mind that simpletons continue to spread their hands and pronounce with feined innocence “but they said Jews can live here”.

    Every single dunam of land that was given away to the Arabs has become Judenrein….why is anybody even remotely surprised that he said this???

  8. pretzelberg – your comment about Abbas indicates that you have never really believed that he and other Arab leaders say one thing for Westerners to hear, and the truth about their aims to their Arab audiences.

    This time, he could not square the circle, and had to make his intentions clear to a wider audience.

  9. Rural

    “Similarly, in order to reciprocate in kind, Israel should then get rid of every person of muslim origin from their land.”

    Rural, I’m glad you put that in the conditional, since this could not be implemented in any democratic state having (as does Israel) law guaranteeing human rights.

    Remember that the states implementing the Jewish naqba did not respect democratic human rights. Would you have Israel descend to their level? I doubt most Israelis would.

  10. Toko LeMoko

    I hear what you say: Israel democracy, rule of law, must not descend to their level etc. etc. But…Israel has every right to reciprocate. I am not putting forward an exclusively “Jewish” state, but a land where anyone who is willing to respect the law of this ancient land of the Jews are welcome to stay. Someone, somewhere must make a stand against barbarism and it will in the end come down to Israel. That said I doubt Israel will put forward such a law. They’re just too nice for it.

    Reminds me of, Pakistan who after partition got rid of nearly all their Hindus and Sikhs, whereas India kept most of its muslims to the extent that muslims in India now number some 150 million (remember in the UK we have some 1.5 million at best, and yet are having a difficult timewith issues like support for terrorism, integration etc.) whereas non-muslim population in Pakistan dwindled from the “heady” 35% during partition to a paltry 2%. The same story repeats in Bangladesh, where chasing Hindus and Christians out of their homes has become a national sport. In fact the story repeats itself in anmost all the countries around the globe where islam has taken root.

    And this is what will happen in the end to Israel. Jews will be populated out.

  11. Does Richard Tebboth have a fan here? I ask because my obviously sarcastic post to him has not one but two negative ratings.

    But if the hate-fuelled likes of Sarah Jane can garner agrees, then clearly this site is attracting a juvenile and humourless audience.

    Shame.

  12. @ Ariadne

    You still haven’t explained what exactly your first two posts meant.

    Was “Time for Israel to give these chancers a good smacking” a reference to the WB settlers?
    Likewise the “greedy, lying, denying bigoted land-grabbers”?

    Surely not.

  13. Excuse me, Pretzel, but your last two posts were quite arrogant. Neither Ariadne nor CiFWatch owe you anything (including explanations). You really ought to sod off.

  14. @ Toko LeMoko

    I have merely been asking another poster about their comments and their content.

    Any of your business? Not really. If you don’t like it, you know where to go …

  15. Sarah Jane

    Pretz. Do you know the meaning of “ad hominem”? Thought not.

    Classic YouTube (or indeed CiF) non-post, i.e. answering their own non-question! How juvenile can you get?

    And you’re the poster who said to me “You, on the other hand, are not mad— just curmudgeonly—- and an attention seeker. Did your mother neglect you as a child?”

    !!!!!

    Why not talk about the actual article? Stop making yourself look like a fool.

  16. Toko LeMoko, there is no doubt to give pretzelberg benefit of.

    pretzelberg, why bring enemy language here? It adds nothing.

  17. Ariadne

    Why bring enemy language here? You mean “enemy” in the sense of “aggressive”? Perhaps you just ask Sarah Leah – and yourself.

    Or do you literally mean “enemy”?

    And who are the these “chancers” and the “greedy, lying, denying bigoted land-grabbers” you referred to?