The English Defense League: The New Face of Europe?

This essay, by A. Millar, published by Hudson New York, represents an alternative view of the English Defence League from the ones previously presented at CiF Watch.  As always, your comments are welcomed.

A group of extremist Islamists attacked the returning soldiers as “butchers of Basra,” “baby killers,” and “terrorists” during a homecoming parade not long ago in the city of Luton. With years of anti-British “political correctness,” and a political class that has failed to tackle Islamism with seriousness, this proved to be too much: the crowd that had turned out to cheer on the soldiers was soon making their disgust known to the Islamists; the two groups had to be held apart by police. Within a few days, a video was floating around the internet, showing the aftermath: calling themselves the “United People of Luton,” thousands of (mostly) young men had taken to the streets in a rowdy, and chaotic show of anger and frustration, chanting “no surrender to the Taliban,” “we are Luton,” and, directed at the Islamists, “scum.”

A short time later, the English Defense League [EDL] emerged from the United People of Luton, and, in a little over the year since its founding, has become the largest street protest movement in Britain.

The EDL has also inspired the recent establishment of independent leagues in the Netherlands, Norway, Germany, and other EU states; the movement is attracting international attention – including from the Israeli-based Haaretz and the US-based Dissent.

Strident opposition to integration — from politicians, the media, and Islamist extremists — has led to serious social problems, not only for long-settled British citizens, but also for immigrants and the children of immigrants. These range from the high rates of unemployment among Muslims, the forced marriage of school girls (and to a lesser extent school boys), to honor violence against women and girls, and violence against homosexual Muslims. Opponents of integration know of these problems, but ignore them. It would appear that their intention was not to make life easy for immigrants, but to make life easy for themselves.

Mass immigration into Europe, is, in some sense the “Americanization” of Europe, according to Christopher Caldwell, author of Reflections on the Revolution In Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West, who has said that over the last few decades – especially over the last ten years – Europe has become increasingly multi-ethnic, and multi-religious, and multi-everything. In this sense, it resembles the US, especially its cities, such as New York; however, because the EU was intended as a “counterbalance” to the US – and an exemplar of a more socialistic, statist, and allegedly moral and ethical way of doing things – Europe has enacted immigration and integration in an almost opposite way. Consequently, as immigration has increased, instead of becoming more like the US, Europe has become less like it.

In the US, newcomers may be encouraged to feel proud of America’s achievements in the world, its democracy, its opportunities. Immigrants might retain significant aspects of their culture, their religion, or values from their former homes, but, largely, they are also proud to be American, and proud to have democracy, liberty, free speech, and the other opportunities for which they came. In Britain, however, immigrants have been encouraged to remain separate from the rest of society, to refrain from learning the language of the host culture, and from integrating. The Archbishop of Canterbury appeared to encourage the adoption of some sharia into Britain in 2008; a few months later, Stephen Hockman, QC, former chairman of the Bar Council, called for aspects of sharia to be formally incorporated into British law.

The routine devaluing of British culture is a gift to Islamists who want to separate Muslims from non-Muslims in the UK – or, worse, who intend to impose sharia on everyone, like it or not. The organization hosting Hockman, as he delivered his appeal for a sharia-lite Britain, was none other than the now-banned Islam4UK, an Islamist group descended from al-Muhajiroun, which has been linked to one in seven convicted terrorists in the UK [pdf]

Read rest of the essay here.

65 replies »

  1. Sanity:

    “So there you have it! All taken from the above comments. Anyone care to censure these comments? Will I have to set up CiFWatchWatch?”

    Isn’t it what you’re paid to do any way?

  2. “As I pointed out, the group responsible for the demonstration were beaten up by **fellow Muslims**.”

    So that’s ok?

    Taking the law into your own hands?

    It was reported a few years back that some Somali comunities were taking matters into their own hands to resolve inter comunity dispoutes to be in line with sharia laws.

    Where does one draw the line?

    In my mind the people protesting should be advised that protest causes distress and they should be moved on and support any alegations they have against soldiers via the normal channels.

    not doing it risking fueling the likes of the EDL and the BNP.

  3. “So that’s ok?

    Taking the law into your own hands?”

    I am pointing out the bleeding obvious, that the extremists in Luton were not representative of Muslims in general.

    That is evidenced by the fact that Luton Muslims took it into their own hands to show their anger, and beat them up.

    The author of this piece is using this minuscule demonstration as a justification for the growth of the EDL.

    The author of this piece is using the demonstration to tar all Luton Muslims with the views of those few extremists.

    But it is perfectly clear that they are a very, very, very small minority, and that Luton’s Muslims reject them.

    Again, the demonstration is being used to lump together all Muslims and imply that they hold the same views, whereas they wouldn’t have beaten up the extremists if that the case, would they?

    I hope my point is now clear?

  4. sanity, your finger wagging is….

    DontBlameMe, you and others may find the following link interesting


    Note particularly that all these terminally sensitivity-challenged thugs pleaded “Not Guilty.”
    Note also further evidence of lack of reason in

    “.. The fact that they say they did not intend their remarks to be insulting does not amount to defence in law.

    “They were fully aware that shocking phrases in such circumstances would inevitably cause distress.”

  5. @ ItsikDeWembley

    All you’ve seen was Urdu, Farsi, Arabic and Afghan writings.

    Suggest you leave Wembley. You’re talking footballer-speak.

  6. Another gift to the ‘ZF=EDL’ mob.

    You make even your friends want to DUMP you.


    I think ZF should dump JH.

  7. “..That is evidenced by the fact that Luton Muslims took it into their own hands to show their anger, and beat them up..”

    Once and not at all since, and they have taken no steps to defang these creatures permanently (but probably could not because they wouldn’t have the support of the police). These beggars are still spewing hatred in Luton colleges and at the university according to a friend who works there, and modernity although they are a minority they are definitely not a “very, very small” one. (I’d like to know, incidentally, so that I can pass it on to my friend to whom it may give a little comfort if it is true, where you get this information from).

    I am told that the police know full well what is going on but are powerless to intervene unless said Islamist factions “do something.”

  8. “Of course, if you believe that people should be locked up for demonstrating, then you’re in the realm of Chinese dictators, President Ahmadinejad and other unsavoury despots.”

    At what point does a demo become a riot or an act of direct intimidation?

    It is one thing to march down the street chanting “Free Gaza” and another to march to Jewish property threatening a holocaust and hurling projectiles. Or preventing a business to operate selling legal merchandise by spilling red paint or animal blood scaring away patrons or blocking their way.

    The EDL emerged when these demos turned really physical and nasty.

    Now the cat is out of the bag. I agree, the whole situation is now poisoned.
    However when looking at police response, the EDL is treated more harshly by the police than the Islamists they oppose.
    They get shot at with live ammo, the Islamists get police escorts.

    Burning the Union Jack is OK but burning the Koran gets you arrested.

    Police raid mosques with pre warnings and take off their shoes.
    Police investigate documentary makers and visit Jews who call antisemites antisemites.

    Does anybody wonder why the police has lost credibility here?

    Their job is to keep the peace not to win political arguments. So they keep the peace where Islamists have free reign and those opposing them are suppressed as they disturb the “peace” or “for their own protection”.

    At the end it is all about a cold calculus. If they come down hard on Islamists, the UK may have a terrorist attack on their hands. So they go the path of least resistance and come down harder on the EDL when in fact the EDL is the symptom and not the problem.

  9. “when in fact the EDL is the symptom and not the problem.”

    What a pile of ahistorical tosh.

    As if the EDL are merely a blameless result of someone else’s action. Nonsense.

    The EDL is a conscious product of xenophobia and bigotry.

    The Far Right created the EDL to expand their influence and grow, to exploit xenophobia, irrational fears and scary headlines.

    The EDL leadership is stuffed full of committed neofascists, BNPers, their allies and neo-Nazis, so it would be far better if people address that issue.

  10. “As if the EDL are merely a blameless result of someone else’s action.”

    Nobody said blameless but the far right existed in Britain for a long time.

    As did Muslims. Only once the streets turned ugly with Muslim mob violence and incitement did the EDL emerge and gained popularity.

    I don’t think the “fears” are irrational. The UK has a huge problem with Muslim fanatics. That is not a far right position, it is a reality everybody in the world sees except for British liberals.
    Now it boiled over. The French have been warning the British of this for over 2 decades. So now the streets are “debating” what the elites refuse to acknowledge.

    This is no support of the EDL but realizing what created the conditions which allowed their rise. If the British clamp down on the EDL, their support will only grow. It is time to face up to reality and understand that the multicultural model failed with Muslims of the second and third generations. Ordinary British people now see an enemy within. With good reason also as poll after poll shows these people support terrorism, sharia, caliphate and are willing to physically attack Jews and the business establishment.
    Then there are their secular supporters in places like the Guardian who cheer them on like if they were the new Communist internationale.

  11. “Only once the streets turned ugly with Muslim mob violence… “

    Another pile of fiction, more from the Daily Mail School of moral panic.

    About a dozen extremists, a minority in their own community hold a demonstration and you blow it up to make it sound as “Muslim mob violence”. Utter nonsense.

    But there is mob violence, and it comes from the EDL and the Far Right.

    Just imagine who they will turn their guns on once they’ve grown…. all ethnic minorities.

    Anyone with a cursory knowledge of history would know that.

    And once this neofascist genie has popped out of the bottle you won’t be able to stuff it back in again, which is a major problem and why their growth should not be encouraged, or as in the case of a few posters here excused.

  12. “About a dozen extremists, a minority in their own community hold a demonstration and you blow it up to make it sound as “Muslim mob violence”. Utter nonsense.”

    You are in denial.

    Have you not seen what occurred after Gaza 09?

    Or the cartoons?

  13. Pretz:

    “Suggest you leave Wembley. You’re talking footballer-speak.”


    I have left Wembley.
    And it wasn’t muslims who pushed me out.
    I got along with them just fine.
    Having my north African barber listen to Arabic sermons while cutting my hair stating “El Yahud” every few seconds gives you bad vibes though.

  14. Armaros:

    “Have you not seen what occurred after Gaza 09?”

    It was during and after.
    And through out the Marmara scenario.
    And a couple of weeks ago waving a terrorist organisation flags in the UK capital.

    Yes, it is worrying.

  15. People forget how the Jews and communist tackled the Fascists in the UK in 1936.


    Street fights was all they had.

    A last resort against the insanity of guarding those who wish to burn the house down.

    How else can you defend your house against burglers and invaders when the cops don’t show up time and time again?

    surely inviting them in for tea and crackers is the last option.