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Why were these deleted?


Nick Cohen’s piece at CiF, Howard Jacobson offers a contrary voice in the arts– which argued that Jacobson’s satire “The Finkler Question”, which recently won the Booker Prize, was unique in that the British arts community has typically been politically homogeneous, and that Jacobson’s work represents a rare heterodox (non-leftist) theme – and further, that, often, the only Jews in favor with this elite community are those who openly express their contempt for Israel.  Sure enough, this offended many CiF commenters, some of whom took the opportunity to level hateful charges against Israel.

Here are two, which haven’t been deleted:

Of course, the idea that you “can’t discuss” Israel in a critical way in the media, expressed at the site most prolific (above and below the line) in expressing such vitriol, is simply comical.

And, then there was this:

Fair enough.  We’re all to used to commenters who think that  support of Israel’s existence is somehow a controversial view to take.

But, then there were these  differing views:

But, the quite thin-skinned CiF Moderators would have none of that:

And, also:

And, here is where I would typically display a snapshot of the post (with the deleted text) with a note remarking that “this comment has been removed by a moderator”, but I was unable to do so in this case because all traces of this comment by Fergus’s have disappeared completely.

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  1. I was unable to do so in this case because all traces of this comment by Fergus’s have disappeared completely.

    Don’t be so disingenuous, Adam. You know full well that posts quoting deleted comments (as is the case here) are themselves deleted.

    I won’t comment on the Cohen article itself as (like most people on that thread!) I haven’t read Jacobson’s book.
    But he’s won the Booker, so fair play to the man.

  2. Pretz you know as well as I do that sometimes replies are deleted (as the warning goes) and sometimes they aren’t. It all depends on what they say, doesn’t it?

  3. When I first posted something like this on Gillian Slovo’s cif post 2 years ago, my comment was deleted. I have repeated it in the Nick Cohen post. In case it is deleted again, here it is:

    Linda Grant is spot on. Gillian Slovo in a cif post on her membership of Independent Jewish Voices refers to “The tradition of Judaism in which I was brought up in.”

    My late grandmother who was Joe’s first cousin, always told me that Jewish tradition was completely absent from Joe’s house. But I won’t rely on gran’s memory: here is Joe’s second wife Helen Dolney in Cutting through the Mountain, a book about the role of Jewish Activists in the Struggle;

    “He [Joe] and Ruth chose not to bring up their children with any exposure to the Jewish faith..” She asks what if any significance there was in Joe’s Jewish upbringing. It seems to boil down to “the humour, the talent as a raconteur..The practice of Judaism as having provided a moral creed is questionable”. IN fact she finds his progressive insights were in reaction to religious practice.An assessment by another comrade in the book of how Joe was influenced by his “secular Jewish roots” was: “there was definitely something Jewish about Slovo’s joke telling..a humanism borne of suffering survived…”

    All very lovely- but Gillians’ attempt to link her membership of IJV to her Jewish tradition..I remain unconvinced.

  4. Pretzelberg.
    “I wont comment on the Cohen article itself—-”

    Oh, please hurry up and read the book —–we’re all waiting impatiently for your unique insight into, and verdict on the matter, although I think we can all guess what it will be.
    You take yourself very seriously, don’t you?

  5. Arabella Meller

    Pretz you know as well as I do that sometimes replies are deleted (as the warning goes) and sometimes they aren’t. It all depends on what they say, doesn’t it?

    Yes it does happen. But it’s rare – I’ve seen responses of mine to outright anti-Semites surprisingly survive. And yes: sometimes replies citing anti-Arab posts are left standing.

    But for the vast majority of deleted posts: “all traces of” responses “have disappeared completely”

    That’s my point.