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The Israeli Narrative of the Guardian Commenter


A guest post by AKUS

The recent Daphna Baram article which forced a retraction from the Guardian dealt with the issue of dual narratives in Israeli and Palestinian schools. But there is a third narrative – Israeli and Jewish history as it exists in the minds of certain “below the line” commenters on “Comment is Free”.

I’ve noticed this commenter, “tinlaurelledandhardy”, before. She reminds me of the bimbo “Old Christine” played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, or the latest star of the current US election cycle, Christine (“That’s in the First Amendment?”) O’Donnell. She specializes in particularly ignorant comments and on the Baram thread she surpassed herself, revealing how important it is that the Israeli narrative be taught in whichever school she attended or attends.

To be fair”, “tinlaurelledandhardy” must have been under a rock not to hear about the Palestinian side and never wandered into a bookstore or library. Perhaps no-one texted her about it.

Leaving that aside, Shlomo Sand’s “excellent book”, which is a fabrication from start to finish, first appeared in Hebrew, of course. Sand is a lecturer in French Cinema and other non-genealogical studies at the University of Tel Aviv. “To be fair”, “tinlaurelledandhardy” would probably be surprised to learn that courses there are taught in Hebrew and Sand’s book was originally published (Resling, 2008) as מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי? (Matai ve’eich humtsa ha‘am hayehudi? – When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?).

It was later translated into English with the CiF-grabbing title “The Invention of the Jewish People”, guaranteed to reinforce precisely the stereotypes and narratives that the naïve professors at Ben Gurion University who wrote Learning Each Other’s Historical Narrative claim they wish break down. (By the way – read the Arab narrative. The distortion of history is appalling).

As for the “false memory” of Masada invoked by “tinlaurelledandhardy”, this is yet another attempt to write Jews out of their own history. How did all those ruins and remainders of palaces get to Masada and why were they there? Is it all a sort of Israeli Disney-land created in the dead of night by the Mossad or Jewish leprechauns? And that funny old history book by Josephus – is it a 2,000 year old forgery?

Clearly “Learning Israel’s Historical narrative” should be a required course not just for Israelis and Palestinians, but for a much wider audience.

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  1. Unfortunately for the Jew-haters who would ethnically and culturally cleanse ancient Jewry from the history books, the world’s musueums are filled with substantial evidence of ancient Jewish history, some of it literally carved in stone:

    – the Mernepta stele
    – the Mesha stele
    – the black obelisk of Shalmaneser
    – the Karnak inscriptions
    – the Tel Amarna letters
    – the Shishaq relief
    – the Tel Dan inscription
    – the Taylor prism
    – the arch of Titus
    – Rome’s Judaea Capta coinage
    – the entire works of Josephus.

  2. Why even mention this idiot,reading that post you can conclude that this person had their brain cells sucked out when they were born.

  3. That post of hers is still up there and it has received another 2 recommendations.

    Keep pressing the ‘report abuse’ button till it is deleted.

  4. benorr

    Why even mention this idiot,reading that post you can conclude that this person had their brain cells sucked out when they were born.

    And replaced with scrapings from the cesspool.

  5. The article itself boggles the mind, as if it “normal” to study the history of England from the point of view of France, or to teach WWII from the perspective of Nazi Germany.

    She writes of history being written by the victors BUT in this particular case we should embrace the history of the losers.
    We should teach our children the history of the losers.
    We should tech our children guilt.

    After all this IS the way of the world.

    Not.

    One wonders why she didn’t mention in her article that the “Nakba” was invented on Israel’s 50th anniversary?

  6. “tinlaurelledandhardy” got very interested in the issue of racial unrest in Malmo:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/27/swedish-xenophobia-malmo-shooting

    Try to get that into your head: there have not been any Islamic attacks on Jews in Sweden except in the propaganda.

    Here’s a report about the attacks on Jews from a well-known British “propaganda” (where on earth did she learn English??)”

    Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes

    Same from a well-known American “propaganda”:

    Hate crimes force Jews out of Malmo

    Here’s a “propaganda” showing the Mayor of Malmo who appears to share her views – but reveals, unfortunately, that the “propaganda” is true:

    Mayor of Malmö: Jews to Blame for Antisemitism

    She seems determined to prove that there really are no Jews – and since there are none, everything that happens to a group that in her mind does not exist, is, I suppose, “propaganda”.

  7. It seems to me this tinlaurelledandhardy fellow is living on an other planet:

    A sentence from an other post of his:

    Try to get that into your head: there have not been any Islamic attacks on Jews in Sweden except in the propaganda.

    He should try to get in his head the words of the obviously Jew hating socialist mayor of Malmo Ilmar Reepalu in Sweden:

    “what the Jews perceive as naked anti-Semitism is in fact just a sad, but understandable consequence of Israeli policy in the Middle East.”

    I suggest to this deluded ignorant idiot to study the following articles:

    Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes

    Swedish Jew says situation in town getting worse every year


    For Jews, Swedish City Is a ‘Place To Move Away From

    Anti-Semitic Hate Crimes In Malmo, Sweden Cause Jews To Leave

    Hate crimes force Jews out of Malmo

    … and many more like these.

    The Guardian CIF is the meeting place of the dirt like this poster.

  8. Sorry AKUS I posted my comment before reading yours.
    As everybody can see it would be enough to google the words “anti-semitism+ Sweden” and tinlaurelledandhardy could avoid demonstrating his ignorance and bigotry.

  9. I’m for full gender equality AKUS.
    Tinlaurelandhardy may be a male, a female or antything in between – hi-she- whatever is an anti-semite bigot of the illiterate kind.

  10. elixelx – wow! Some namecalling here!! !

    And I am the one who is a “misogynist peckerwood”??? I thought you Tea Baggers were supposed to represent the, polite, God-fearing, “real America” that you want to “take back” from people like me! I’m tempted to go to the Mall to attent the Stewart-Colbert rally for Sanity after your comment!!

    SO I’m a “misogynist peckerwood” who cannot spell his moniker properly, IYO?? Because I think O’Donnell is “a very STUPID lady who’s done some silly things” (and continues to say and do stupid things) running for office is ignorant of the Constitution and its amendments? Which is only one of her many “virtues”??? Including homphobia, fetishes about masturbation and sex, and an inability to name one concrete thing she would do if people were actually crazy enough to elect her?? Is this all not similar to “tinlaurelledandhardy” believing that Jews are a sort of made-up fairy-story??

    Does the fact that she and “tinlaurelledandhardy” are both woman makes me a misogynist?? Or simply a moderately keen observer of gender?? Would you have been happier if I compared “tinlaurelledandhardy” inaccurately to Carl Paladino?

    Anyway, I think in a few days you’ll find the Delaware electorate is on my side on this issue.

  11. This tin person would have to a certain palestinian lady that has form,she keeps changing her name,we should target her on CiF.

    BTW,that post hasn’t been deleted,now it has 14 recommendations.Keep pressing the ‘report abuse’ button till it’s removed.

  12. I am also intrigued by the avatar, which is sexist. Note that it shows a blonde woman and the post is obviously thick .

    Hypothesis, this is a misogynist male who, because it writes for CiF, is probably very disturbed.

  13. Oh dear … those misogynist peckerwoods at the Guardian have been reading my articles after all:

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    tinlaurelledandhardy

    29 October 2010 5:39PM

    This comment has been removed by a moderator. Replies may also be deleted.

  14. It seems to me that, if Palestinian Arabs are entitled to so describe Zionism, the alternate narrative could describe Palestinian Arab Muslim and Christian nationalism as a reactionary movement, strongly allied with European Fascism, National Socialism and Antisemitism; which exacerbated traditional Palestinian Arab Islamic and Christian prejudice, exclusion and apartheid against Jews into attempting to exclude, expel or eliminate them altogether. These features characterised the nationalism of the PLO until at least 1988, and do so the nationalism of Hamas until this day.

    Would the P.A. let that be published?

    Who gets to decide what is the ‘Zionist’ narrative, anyway?

    Daphna Baram?

  15. tinlaurelledandhardy has finally lost it.

    AKUS

    Oh dear … those misogynist peckerwoods at the Guardian have been reading my articles after all:

    I wouldn’t be sure about that.
    But why exactly the term “misogynist peckerwoods”??

  16. Peter1,

    “The article itself boggles the mind, as if it “normal” to study the history of England from the point of view of France, or to teach WWII from the perspective of Nazi Germany.”

    I believe it is extremely important.
    Especialy the example you gave about Nazi Germany.

    This gives you a notion of the dangers and basic understanding of propaganda powers and social preasure.