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When was the last time your children had a drill at school to prepare for enemy rocket fire?


H/T Boker Tov

Rocket fire by Palestinian terrorists in Gaza continue to pound Israeli communities.  By Thursday afternoon, at least 11 rockets and mortars had landed in southern Israel, the army said, two of them ploughing into Ashdod, Israel’s fifth largest city with a population of more than 200,000.  For the month, some 95 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza.

Here’s a photo you’ll never see gracing the Israel section of the Guardian.

First graders in Ashkelon during rocket drill

 

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  1. I don’t think anyone has mentioned above that though the likes of “Sanity” might try to make the rockets into a joke – but see Peter’s description of Grad missiles above; no joke, neither are any missiles – not many Israelis are harmed because Israel takes some measures to protect citizens.

    People have made “arguments” that the diminution of terrorist attacks mean that (some) Palestinians are less murderous. What such a stance fails to take into account is the number of attacks that are thwarted and the protection afforded by the security fence.

    cf Hamas using its weakest citizens as human shields. There is no protection in Gaza though terrorists from there are clearly committing crimes against humanity which will be answered.

    And where is Gilad Shalit? Not even a Red Cross visit after all the years.

    Inhumanity. Who’d support it?

  2. “Sanity” doesn’t really come across as someone who comes from a country which had almost nothing at the end of the 1930s but managed to take a stand against Nazism anyway.

    Despite the Empire and all the rest there were hunger marches in Britain in the 1930s. In some cities the police would turn their backs when people stole food from shops. A few decades before an amazing book called “The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists” brought the plight of building trade workers to wide attention.

    No awareness of history is what I’m saying. And “Telescopic Philanthopy” as Dickens said in another time.

  3. Infidel, it’s pretty bad that that ICRC report is from 2008. I guess its “Occupied” Golan documents are somewhat more recent.

  4. The “D” is silent?

    Air-ee-add-knee?

    Sorry. I took Spanish because back in Junior High???, when we had to chose a language to learn, the word was French was very hard.

    French of course is classier than Spanish or English.

  5. I think if you tried it as if it were Spanish you’d do all right.

    I hope Adam forgives the digression.

  6. lolololololol

    I have expressed sympathy with Israelis dealing with qassam rockets many times on this thread. That is not in question. My point is that this bears no resemblance to Guernica. To try to impute moral equivalence is disgusting to anyone who knows anything about the Spanish Civil War. It’s a bit like saying that Cast Lead was a genocide. Misleading Perhaps you didn’t understand my point. Let’s be generous.

    Now, thinking about sympathy perhaps you could express some for the people murdered by the Israeli Occupation Forces? Perhaps some sympathy for Iman al-Hams brutally murdered by the IOF? Perhaps some sympathy for the children of Gaza who died in Operation Cast Lead?

    Didn’t think so.

    As for education, I only have degrees from top ranked universities. I have never studied at an institution outside the world top 20. So I think I probably know a good deal. And about international law, I understand very well that the ICJ does not issue binding rulings, but its opinions do show what the consensus on issues of international public law is.

    And the fact is that soon enough, because of Israel’s intransigence, largely because of the support of ideologues like you, Palestine is going to declare independence. And the world will support it. And then the actions of the IOF will really be seen as war against another state.

    The world will only turn a blind eye for so long. In the end it cannot tolerate apartheid and it cannot tolerate occupation.

  7. TGIAI, you need to be more specific. Not all mortar attacks are illegal, etc. It depends where they are, when, etc. Mortar attacks in the first Gulf War are very different from mortar attacks in Bosnia, for example. Your list doesn’t appear to be limited to the Palestine / Israel dispute. No doubt you’ll read into this that I’m justifying terrorism / islamofascism / please insert scary word here. I’m not.

    Dear all, please stop saying that I approve of rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. I don’t, and have never said so. If you want to prove me wrong, you have to actually engage with what I say.

    Serjew, the reason the Jordan ‘solution’ can’t be discussed is because it’s immoral. The technical term for it is ethnic cleansing. Unless you are proposing that West Bank residents would be given the choice to stay in Israel with full citizenship. But I am assuming that you are not arguing for this. Ethnic cleansing is wrong, and it is illegal under international law.

    Moderators, are you aware that you have people posting on here who are advocating the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank? Do you want to take some action?

  8. Lololol yourself into your own fairy tale, “Sanity.”

    First of all, there are ladies who post here, so I won’t tell you where you can stick your sympathy for Qassam and Grad victims, but you get the point. Your “sympathy” doesn’t do anything to protect anyone from a rocket attack.

    You have no idea what it’s like to live under that threat and therefore have no business denying any comparisons.
    As for murder, the way that you attempt to misapply that word is beyond disgusting. Hamas and Hizbollah intentionally use children as human shields and when they get caught in the cross-fire, libero-fascists like you scream “murder” on the part of the Israelis. It just further shows that you believe that Israeli children should live under the barrage of this missiles. As for Iman al Hams, that was a tragedy, but your attempt to demonize Israel based on that one incident shows that you have an anti-Israel agenda.

    I don’t give a damn what your credentials are. There are too many other examples of people with degrees who live in ivory towers completely disconnected from reality and more concerned about their social status as “progressives” than anything else. They mouth the anti-Israel mantras because it’s considered fashionable to do so.

    Furthermore, since the ICJ’s rulings are not binding they are also not legal as that would imply sovereignty were not exists. They are opinions, nothing more.

    It’s because of the intransigence of radical idealogues like you that the Palestinians may very well declare independence, but as I have shown above the world has yet to state its opinion. Very few countries have stated their opinions thus far and your smugness will be your undoing.

    By the way, since you obviously don’t understand the word “apartheid” you should read about it and how libero-fascists like you misapply it. Here are the facts:
    http://www.jcpa.org/text/apartheid.pdf

  9. Insanity,

    You know very well that your islamofascist heroes WANT dead children.

    They inculcate their children to aspire to be shaheeds, martyrs.

    Their racist kiddie shows brainwash children to roboticly recite dehumanizing rants.

    They drape their children in guns, bomb belts.

    Their children grow up to make farewell videos before they go out on their missions.

    Their children dip their hands in the blood of their enemies and wave them to adoring crowds.

    Insanity, you are a product of a sick, disfunctional family.

    I pity you.

  10. “Serjew, the reason the Jordan ‘solution’ can’t be discussed is because it’s immoral. The technical term for it is ethnic cleansing”. Sanitary

    Ah, so predictable, the standard scare-word “ethnic cleasing” is brought to
    “genocide” the debate. Listen, you can call it what you want, but it´s population transfer and it happens when people can´t live together. From the expulsion of Germans from the east after WWII, through the partition of India and Pakistan and more recently the division of Sudan, transfer of population happens all the time, with differing degrees of brutality. For instance, Jews (not zionists, Jews) were “ethnically cleansed” from every muslim country after 1948, numbering around 700.000, and “the international community” doesn´t give a s*hit about that.

    “Unless you are proposing that West Bank residents would be given the choice to stay in Israel with full citizenship.” Sanitary

    Sure. Israel should annex the WB for good (maybe the upcoming war that will follow from this supposed unilateral declaration of a fakestinian state will be the perfect opportunity). Then, Pals that want to stay will be given
    Israeli citizenship IF, AND ONLY IF they prove to be loyal citizens, through and oath of allegiance and military service (like the Druze). Those which refuse, ok, they won´t be murdered like in islamic paradises, not let to rot in UNRWA “refugee” camps, but will have to move to Jordan, a huge country will a big palestinian population and which, as a bonus, is judenrein. There, as usual, pals will mess with the country while planning the next war they´ll loose against Israel, but at least Israel will have better defensible borders.

    “Moderators, are you aware that you have people posting on here who are advocating the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank? Do you want to take some action?” Sanitary

    wow, sue me, little whiney liar.

  11. Iman al-Hams a tragedy? Well, not as far as I would have liked you to go, but a big improvement on previous commenters (I think Hungarian) who said that her murder was justified. But I don’t use this to demonise Israel, only to show that life is hard for Palestinian children, too. I think the response of the IOF is also telling in this case, but that’s another story.

    Your bizarre point of view on my point of view of rocket attacks bears no relation to the reality of this situation. Clearly there are moral differences between things. The holocaust was worse than the Bengal famine for example. So it’s simply a matter of evaluation. And quite frankly, to put the Sderot rockets on the level of Guernica is a disgrace to history.

    You demonstrate that you don’t understand how public international law works with your comment.

    Apartheid has been defined by international treaties, most notable the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Whether Israel is an apartheid state is simply a case of matching it against those descriptions. It is quite clearly an apartheid state, as recognised by almost everyone, except ideologues like you.

    TGIAI, you are clearly insane.

    Serjew, I quite deliberately did not use the word ‘genocide’. hat you describe is ethnic cleansing good and proper. Quite disgusting.

    Also, your recommendations for a ‘Jewish and democratic’ state appear to be more disgusting even that that disgusting cockroach Lieberman.

  12. How far you want me to “go?” I will not subscribe to your libero-fascist agenda of demonizing Israel. Why don’t you demonize all of the UK for BG Reginal Dyer, as well as British atrocities in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion, not to mention Britain’s apartheid policies in Northern Ireland, with it’s apartheid “Peace” Wall. While we’re at it, how about British complicity in the Tibetan genocide considering how much trade passes between China and the UK? Of course, you wouldn’t you have a standard for Israel that you would never ascribe to yourself. It’s far too inconvenient, especially with all of that lucrative trade. How else could you possibly afford tickets to the Globe?

    Yeah, life is hard for Palestinian children. The Palestinians do that to themselves by squirreling away funds into private accounts that are supposed to go for welfare programs or Hamas’ appropriating aid for people keeping to themselves.

    Don’t try to pass yourself off as having any understanding of the rocket attacks because you don’t and as I stated your insincere “sympathy” protects no one except those who attempt to fire rockets.

    You obviously have no knowledge of international law because if you would be correct countries wouldn’t act the way that they do. The only way to impose international law is through the military as is happening now in Libya. That’s not from the ICJ, that’s a decision taken by certain powers to act in their own interests. Furthermore, the Rome Statute does address “apartheid,” it addresses war crimes and Israel has not signed the treaty and is therefore not obligated.

    You should be embarrassed because despite your boasts of having prestigious degrees, you obviously don’t read. The document that I posted shows exactly how apartheid is a mislabel to Israel, as it doesn’t apply key aspects of apartheid, such as restrictions on marriage, separate facilities for eating, drinking, bathing, prohibiting strikes, restricting jobs to certain individuals, etc. You need an education.

    Finally, why shouldn’t Israel define itself as a Jewish state? There are plenty of states that define themselves as Muslim and in others Christianity is the official religion, including the UK. It’s just another double standard that libero-fascists try to apply uniquely and hypocritically to Israel. Israel will define itself as it sees fit, without pandering to anyone’s agenda.

  13. “Serjew, I quite deliberately did not use the word ‘genocide’. hat you describe is ethnic cleansing good and proper. Quite disgusting.”

    Really? So, I think you will relentlessly fight for justice for the 700.000
    law-abiding Jews that were ethnically cleansed from islamic countries,
    right?

    No, you don´t give a shit about that as you don´t give a shit about palestinians either. You only care about your ridiculous narcissistic
    pseudo-moralizing monomaniac obsessive anti-Israel crusade. Now,
    that is quite disgusting, obscene really.

    But, guess what? Who gives a sh*t for what you “think” and your fake
    expertise in international law?

    “Also, your recommendations for a ‘Jewish and democratic’ state appear to be more disgusting even that that disgusting cockroach Lieberman.” Sanitary

    Frranly, you look much more like a cockroach, a pontificating about Israel from your armchair confort. Lieberman has to deal with real world issues, namely, defending his country against your beloved pals.

    As for Jewish and democratic, yes, that´s what Israel is, and multicultural and technologically advanced and, moreover, a country which have guts to defend herself from palestinian genocidaires and cringing western enablers like your truly.

  14. This is another video that exposes Palestinian lies, the kind that people like “Sanity” like to hear.

  15. Michael,

    ‘Furthermore, the Rome Statute does address “apartheid,” it addresses war crimes and Israel has not signed the treaty and is therefore not obligated.’

    Firstly your statement is factually incorrect. The Rome Statute deals with Crimes Against Humanity. Article 7 Paragraph 1j of the statute presents the crime of apartheid as just such a crime, and Paragraph 2h details what constitutes the crime.

    Apartheid is also outlined in a separate convention. Thus the body of international quite clearly considers apartheid to be a crime against humanity.

    Now, Israel is not a signatory to the Rome Statue. But neither is Sudan and niether is Libya. Yet they are still being held to account by its standards. You may not like it, but international law develops as a series of norms and consensus. And the consensus is that apartheid is a crime, and therefore and Israeli government which runs an apartheid state is guilty of crimes against humanity. And as brutal dictators in Africa are finding, there’s no hiding from their days in court. I look forward to the day I see Netanyahu, Peres and their friends in court. If only Sharon were not a vegetable, it would be great to see him up there too.

    Having shown your knowledge of international law to be entirely wrong, perhaps you will now defer to my superior knowledge?

    As for crimes against humanity committed by other countries, including the UK, I truly hope that the people responsible be held to account for them, just like Israel’s criminals.

    By the way, blaming Palestinians for their hard lives is a bit like blaming a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. She brought it on herself the tart. But you probably believe in that, too.

    If Israel wants to be a religiously and ethnically pure state, just like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. fine. I would have thought it would aspire to greater things. In fact, I think the majority of Israelis do aspire to something greater than that. It’s just the fascist nuts like you and Liberman who think otherwise.

  16. Serjew, I support the right of return for Jews to Arab countries fully. We lost a great treasure trove of culture when the Jews left, in some cases ethnically cleansed. It was a great loss, and I would love to see it restored.

  17. Ah. More moral inversion from the immoral Insanity.

    The murderer is the victim.

    I ask you again Insanity, where are the Arab/”palestinian” Peace groups???

    There is Peace Now, where is Salaam Now????

    According to you the masked jihadis are the victim.

    The murderers of the Fogel family and their 3 children are the “victim”.

    The beheaders of bound captives are the “victim”.

    “Innocents” are only Muslims.

    non-Muslims (Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians), Infidels, are “war criminals”.

  18. Great article in Ha’aretz titled “The new self-hating Jew”:

    “Welcome to the new Zionism. Welcome to the new self-hating Jew, the corps of professed lovers of Israel who want Zionism only to themselves. And who hate the Jews who want to see Israel change. Which is, at this point, most Jews.

    The message of the new self-hating Jew is this: You don’t like this the way it is? We don’t need you. We don’t need anybody. We don’t even need Obama, so what makes you think you’ve got any place here at all?

    This is the message: We’re one big happy start-up here, and we don’t need Debbie Downers to spoil the party. We take our Judaism straight-up frum or none at all. Our neighbors are, regrettably, Nazi scum on two legs, so we’ll take our Israel with all of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, thank you very much.

    No others need apply.

    We want you gone. And we know how to make it happen: ”

    You can read the rest at:
    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/the-new-self-hating-jew-1.351626

  19. Another great article in Ha’aretz by Carlo Strenger:
    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/israel-s-problem-is-the-settlements-not-j-street-1.351831

    The Netanyahu government’s refusal to meet with the leadership of J Street during its visit this week reflects a deep and truly worrying process, in which Israel’s government and the Knesset are progressively locked into a deep bunker with no communication with the outside world. The assumption is that J Street creates a problem for Israel, and that if Israel delegitimizes J Street, the problem will go away.

    But Israel’s problem is not J Street. The problem is that an ever greater proportion of U.S. Jews feel that they are forced to choose between their values and their involvement with Israel. Their identities are defined by the idea of universal human rights and the equality of all human beings beyond race, religion and gender.

    Since Israel violates these ideals, and demands unconditional support for its policies, these Jews basically have two choices: Either they adhere to their ideals or support Israel. The result, as Peter Beinart has argued in a much quoted essay, is that many Jews of the younger generation simply disengage from Israel.

    J Street tries to solve this problem by giving America’s liberal Jews another option: you can be engaged with Israel, and it can be central to your Jewish identity even as you criticize Israel’s actions. It doesn’t take rocket science to see the logic behind this; true friendship often involves voicing frank and direct criticism. Nobody would have said that those who criticized U.S. policy during the McCarthy era or human rights violations of the G.W. Bush administration delegitimize or hate the U.S.

    But like McCarthy, the Netanyahu government and many right-wing Knesset members throw sand in the eyes of Israel’s citizens by selling them an outright lie: that there is no connection between Israel’s policies and its isolation; that all criticism of Israel is equal to delegitimizing its existence. While it is true that there are anti-Semites who hate Israel no matter what, this is simply not the position of Europe’s mainstream, nor that of the many liberal-leaning Jews who criticize Israel.

    The primal sin of the Netanyahu government is that it links Israel’s security concerns with settlement policy, with the expropriation of Palestinian property and the ‘Judaization’ of Jerusalem, a tactic that the world perceives as nothing less than ethnic cleansing. What the world sees is a country that tramples human rights and seeks territorial expansion. And it doesn’t see any logical connection between Israel’s security concerns and the current government’s racist rhetoric and actions, because there is no such connection. The Netanyahu government has a vested interest in maintaining this confusion, because many of its members do not want the two-state solution.

    This systematic conflation of Israel’s security concerns with indefensible policies creates an unbridgeable communication chasm between Israel and the rest of the world. Israel’s citizens feel that the world doesn’t understand them, because they don’t realize that the Netanyahu government is delegitimizing Israel’s security concerns by the linkage to colonial expansion.

    Hence it is up to Jewish liberals, in Israel and abroad, to create clarity. Mainstream Israelis are primarily worried about security. Since the second intifada and the shelling of southern Israel from Gaza, they ask the simple question, can anybody guarantee that there will never be any terror attacks on Israel from a future Palestinian state along the 1967 borders?

    If J Street wants to reach the hearts and minds of Israel’s citizens, it needs to tell Israel’s citizens that its security concerns are legitimate. It also needs to tell the truth – that there are indeed no iron clad guarantees that there will never be any terror attacks after a final status agreement.

    Moving towards peace means taking a calculated risk: Leaving the occupation behind opens the possibility of safety and peace in the long run, but also entails the risk of terror attacks. Yet horrible as these may be, they do not endanger Israel’s existence.

    As opposed to that, continuing the occupation dooms Israel’s long-term future, because it will drive Israel into ever deeper isolation. It will lose its friends in the free world, and will live in everlasting conflict with the Arab world. And this does endanger Israel’s long term survival.

    It needs to be made clear that the choice is not between a safe Israel that occupies the territories and an unsafe Israel alongside a Palestinian state. It is between an Israel that takes a limited security risk for long-term peace, and an Israel that threatens its own long-term existence.

    It is this kind of straight talk that has been missing in Israel’s discourse. Israel’s left has disappeared because it never squarely addressed the risks involved in peace-making. If J Street commits to clarity of thought and an honest approach, it may create the model for a new Israeli left with a viable message.

  20. Court sentences West Bank settler to prison for beating Palestinian minor
    Settler was convicted of kidnapping and attacking Palestinian teen on two occasions as well as of killing his young goat.

    By Chaim Levinson

    The Jerusalem Magistrates Court sentenced a West Bank settler to one and a half years in prison on Sunday, after he was convicted of kidnapping and attacking a Palestinian minor on two occasions and killing his young goat.

    The settler, Tzvi Struk – a resident of the Aish Kodesh settlement in Gush Shiloh – will also pay the minor NIS 50,000 in compensation.

    According to the verdict, in 2007 Struk, together with another unidentified individual approached some Palestinians from Kfar Kusra on an all-terrain vehicle and fired in the air. Following that, Struk and his friend snatched a 15-year old Palestinian teenager and hit him all over his body. Struk and his friend bound the complainant’s hands behind his back, covered his face, sat him between them in the all-terrain vehicle and drove off. During the ride, the complainant was beaten and lost consciousness. When he eventually woke up he was wet.

    The verdict was given before Judge Amnon Cohen at the Jerusalem Magistrates Court on Sunday. The judge wrote that “I cannot help but express deep contempt and shock from the serious wounds this minor was fated to.” He added that “any punishment that does not include an element of an active prison term would miss the message that needs to come out of the court in light of the severity of the actions made by the accused.”

    Struk’s mother, Orit, who is among the leading figures of the Jewish settlement in Hebron, said in response that “the verdict grants victory to lying Arabs who are waging a national war against the Jewish farmers. The judge turned a farmer, father to three children, into a scapegoat in battle.”

  21. What’s the matter Insanity, jihadi got your tongue?

    You’ve been reduced to cut and paste?

    How about a cut and paste of your HORRIBLE checkpoint interrogation?

    Was it HORRIBLE because your jihad turned into a personal NAKBA?

  22. TGIAI, you don’t, unlike Serjew and Michael, who at least try to engage with the arguments I make, seem to be able to have a serious discussion. I would suggest that you simply butt out and go and talk to your EDL loving friends.

  23. “Sanity”, you are not making arguments. You are peddling deceitful propaganda aimed at harming Jews. That has a name other than “argument”.

  24. “Firstly your statement is factually incorrect. The Rome Statute deals with Crimes Against Humanity. Article 7 Paragraph 1j of the statute presents the crime of apartheid as just such a crime, and Paragraph 2h details what constitutes the crime.

    Apartheid is also outlined in a separate convention. Thus the body of international quite clearly considers apartheid to be a crime against humanity.”

    What a ridiculous attempt at circular logic. You have decided a priori that Israel practices apartheid and therefore you try to misapply the Rome Statute. Your premise is wrong, because as I have already shown there is no system of apartheid here, despite your obvious attempts to misconstrue it as such.

    Your next paragraph needs no reference because it’s just the same rubbish. Reasonable people have realized that Israel acts in self-defense and therefore don’t act on the lawsuits and court warrants propagated by hate groups and special interests.

    “Having shown your knowledge of international law to be entirely wrong, perhaps you will now defer to my superior knowledge?”

    My your the strutting little egoist, aren’t you? I’m surprised that your head doesn’t explode from your overinflated opinion of yourself. Your knowledge is superior to maybe, that of a six-year old.

    “As for crimes against humanity committed by other countries, including the UK, I truly hope that the people responsible be held to account for them, just like Israel’s criminals.”

    If that’s the case, you should be on that court for encouraging jihadis who commit murder. Yes, you do encourage murder with your attempts to excuse jihadi tactic. Your statement that “Palestinians on the whole are not guilty of war crimes” is evidence of that.

    “By the way, blaming Palestinians for their hard lives is a bit like blaming a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. She brought it on herself the tart. But you probably believe in that, too.”

    Oh yeah, they really don’t fire rockets into Israeli towns. That’s all just a mass illusion.

    “If Israel wants to be a religiously and ethnically pure state, just like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. fine. I would have thought it would aspire to greater things. In fact, I think the majority of Israelis do aspire to something greater than that. It’s just the fascist nuts like you and Liberman who think otherwise.

    Your ignorance is both appalling and sad. Everyone has freedom of religion in Israel, unlike in Saudi Arabia. No one is disputing that. However, will define itself as it sees fit. That means that it doesn’t serve others’ agenda, including libero-fascists like you.

  25. “Serjew, I support the right of return for Jews to Arab countries fully. We lost a great treasure trove of culture when the Jews left, in some cases ethnically cleansed. It was a great loss, and I would love to see it restored.”

    And what a convenient way for you to hypocritically practice the type of ethnic cleansing that you say you despise: ethnic cleansing Israel of Jews, what a “progressive” goal.

  26. Sanity, since when did all debate on this site revolve around what you deem to be of worth? In fact, all the way through this you have deployed the same strategy of ignoring or minimising any point that doesn’t fit your agenda. You seem to be a typical English parochial snob, endowed with an innate sense of entitlement and misplaced superiority. Your education has not made you immune to ignorance and bigotry. On the contrary, your prejudice is visceral, you hide behind anti-Zionism to distinguish yourself from your right-wing Jew-bating ancestors, in complete ignorance and denial of a common culture based on shared anti-Semitic tropes and libels. (Warmongers and child killers to name but two).

  27. Mind the Crap likes to take articles from Ha’aretz. Oh gee, how convenient! An absolute treasure trove of anti-Israel diatribes written by Jews infected with the most self-hatred on the planet. No more really needs to be said.

    One thing, about the case with that kidnapped kid, I don’t see the problem. The perpetrator is going to prison. It’s also natural for any mother to defend her children, even if they are guilty. Of course, libero-fascists deny that only to Jews.

  28. As usual you miss the point, which I will put very bluntly, paraphrasing the headline of this article:

    “When was the last time you had to drill your children to prepare for meeting a settler?”

    Of course, if you believe that this was an isolated incident, or if you believe that all settlers who act this way are brought to justice, please feel free to continue deluding yourself.

  29. Oh come on Peter! Haven’t realized yet? Israel is the ONLY country in the world where criminals are able to escape justice. Didn’t you know?

  30. Peter:

    Please read this blog; it debunks Lozowick’s usual crap in six or seven paragraphs:
    http://www.realisticdove.org/archives/471
    “The Zionist Organization of America routinely criticizes the current Israel government and it openly lobbied Congress against the peace policies of Labor-led governments. So, can I assume you believe that it, too, should be banished from the pro-Israel tent? Or do you first need to convene another hearing and grill ZOA President Morton Klein? “

  31. Michael:

    “Oh come on Peter! Haven’t realized yet? Israel is the ONLY country in the world where criminals are able to escape justice. Didn’t you know?”

    Wrong again ! Only criminals in the West Bank escape justice. I am sure that you are familiar with the reports issued by various ISRAELI govt agencies criticizing the lack of law enforcement in the territories.

    I love your philosophy: I am morally superior to everyone else, but I can break the law because everyone else does. Brilliant !

  32. “Wrong again ! Only criminals in the West Bank escape justice. I am sure that you are familiar with the reports issued by various ISRAELI govt agencies criticizing the lack of law enforcement in the territories.

    I love your philosophy: I am morally superior to everyone else, but I can break the law because everyone else does. Brilliant !”

    Wrong again!

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-03/30/c_13805596.htm
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4039063,00.html
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1934024,00.html

    Stick your moral superiority where the sun don’t shine.

  33. Poor, poor Insanity.

    She didn’t get her way at a checkpoint and she throws the favorite weapon of a failed “progressive”. BRUTAL ISRAELI CHECKPOINTS!

    Insanity KNOWS that if she were to tell the tale of her failure, she would be laughted away. She knows her claims are exaggerations of exaggerations that are based on fantasy.
    that of failure.

    And I’d rather see a distressed Insanity than dead people.

  34. Hi MTC

    Please read this blog; it debunks Lozowick’s usual crap…

    Now I understand why are you reading the Ha’aretz…
    You can learn from Lozowick ruminations much more reading only one of his posts than studying the complete works of Benn, Rachlevsky. Burston Eldar and their colleagues.

    I have a feeling that you are one of their last reader in Israel…

  35. TGAIA, what a broken record. If you have nothing useful to contribute then I would suggest you spend the time educating yourself better.

    Mind the Crap, I fear that we are simply wasting our time with these folks. They seem so shrill and extreme that even most Zionists would disown them. Instead of conceding that the Rome Statute specifically deals with the crime of apartheid, Michael instead falls back on platitudes about Israel not being an apartheid state. Which is all very well. We all look at the evidence and make up our minds, but the plumb line that we use is the definition of apartheid in international law, rather than Michael’s opinion of what it is. And hilarious that he thinks there are no marriage restrictions in Israel! You might want to actually talk to an Arab Israeli, Michael.

    And then arguing that I support jihadis. Firstly, it’s offensive to take religious language and use it like this. Offensive to people who hold that religion. Imagine if I started using Jewish religious language to describe the actions of the Israeli government. Do you think folks like Michael would let it pass? No, but I guess it’s one rule for them and one rule for everyone else! A bit like with the settlers in the West Bank! Apartheid anyone?

    ‘I love your philosophy: I am morally superior to everyone else, but I can break the law because everyone else does. Brilliant!’

    I quite agree, MTC. But I’m not sure they are introspective enough to realise it.

  36. Ah, Insanity reaching out to her fellow ideologue MindOfCrap. How touching.

    MindOfCrap, perhaps Insanity shared her “brutal” checkpoint experience with you.

    If you have regained your composure after hearing her tale, perhaps you can speak for Insanity as Insanity is still suffering from imaginary victimhood.

    INSHALLAH!