General Antisemitism

Comment is Free warns of Islamophobia, and sees no Judeophobia


On Sunday, August 21st, Lauren Booth joined hundreds of marchers at the Al Quds Day terror rally organised by the Islamic Human Rights Commission in London’s Trafalgar Square, who swore their allegiance to Hamas and Hezbollah.

Among the placards seen at the rally, were:

  • “Israel Your Days are Numbered”
  • “Death to Israel”
  • “Down down Israel”
  • “For World Peace Israel Must Be Destroyed”
  • “The World Stopped Nazism, The World Must Stop Zionism”

As the Stephen Roth Institute said of the IHRC:

IHRC is a radical Islamist organization that uses the language and techniques of a human rights lobbying group to promote an extremist agenda. Formed in 1997…the IHRC supports jihad groups around the world, campaigns for the release of convicted terrorists and promotes the notion of a western conspiracy against Islam. [Leaders of the] IHRC subscribe to the radical Islamist belief that Jewish conspiracies are afoot to undermine Muslims, and they liken Jews and Israelis to Nazis. Members of the IHRC’s board of advisors have even called on Muslims to kill Jews.

Typically, the Guardian didn’t so much as mention the organized pro-terror, hate march.

But, on August 23rd they published a commentary at CiF by David Miller, “Thinktanks must drop this Cold War approach to Islamism” which not only downplayed the threat posed by the radicalization of Britain’s Muslims, but argued that the greater threat is the rise of Islamophobia as the result of such anti-radicalization efforts.

Specifically, Miller vilifies “Conservative thinktanks” for ignoring the threat posed by radical right groups, and for focusing so heavily on Islamism, which he breezily dismisses as “the catch-all term for politically active Muslims“, and further warns that such concerns may “end up condemning the peaceful political activism of Muslim groups” – such as, presumably, the “politically active” Muslim groups who “peaceably” marched against Israel’s existence in London’s Trafalgar Square on Sunday.

Miller’s white wash of the threat posed by radical Islam in the UK elicited quite a few comments beneath the line, but one commenter’s take was particularly worth noting, as it represents how such CiF commentary emboldens those who subscribe to such radicalism.

A commenter using the moniker “moretheylie“, had a field day defending Islamism while many who were critical of such views had their comments deleted by CiF moderators.

Here are few of “moretheylie’s comments, which serve as an instructive case study in such a extremist world view.

Here, right away, “moretheylie” leverages the CiF narrative to deflect attention away from radical Islam and pivots nicely to his true aim, Zionists – and makes the ludicrous argument that EDL was created as a street militia for Neocons and Zionists.  


Then, when called out on his gratuitous attack on Zionism, “moretheylie” responds with even more fictitious charges – this time leveling the bizarre accusation that the EDL has forged links with the “(USA) Zionist Federation”.  (Of note, there is no such organization as the the USA Zionist Federation) Again, another off-topic conspiratorial attack on Zionists which was not deleted. 

When again called out on his anti-Israel obsession, he makes a strange and rather telling semantic argument – namely, that he’s not talking about Israel or Jews at all, merely “Zionism”.  

Then, responding to another critique, “moretheylie”, piggybacking on Miller’s downplaying of the radical ideology, suggests that “Islamism”, as its commonly understood, is a mere figment of the “Neocon” imagination.

Then, when called out on the extreme homophobia practiced in states informed by Islamic law, “moretheylie” reassured readers that gays are executed in Iran not due to their homosexual orientation per se, but, rather, their homosexual acts – which, I’m sure, is very comforting for Iran’s LGBT community!

Finally, “moretheylie”, and the author of the CiF essay, is challenged on their refusal even to accept that that Islamism is distinct from Muslims, nor that you can be highly critical of the former without demonizing the latter. And, “moretheylie’s” reply: That “neocon” journalists and the Zionist Federation propagate lies about Islamism, which is merely a construct, and that this cabal is responsible for the terrorist acts of  Anders Behring Brevik.

Comment is Free: clearly the platform of choice for Islamist apologists and anti-Zionist conspirators.   

7 replies »

  1. moretheylie didn’t get all its own way. There were quite a few factually based, rather than emotional-thinking and disorted replies to it. I noted the following two in answer to it the first of which makes eminent sense given the way CiF and its Islamist fellow-travellers conduct themselves:

    FaintingGoat

    24 August 2011 12:03PM

    moretheylie, if, as I am reliably told, the Koran must be taken literally, cannot be altered and the interpretation of it is in the hands of some distinctly questionable authorities, and if, again as I am reliably informed by a Professor of Islamic Studies, all Muslims are enjoined to emulate the behaviour of their prophet, who is held up to them as the perfect man, context is irrelevant surely.

    When lunatics run amok at perceived, let alone real, insult and threaten to behead those who insult Islam (and yet feel free to insult every other faith or belief), actually kill and behead those who they classify as enemies in the way their prophet commanded (think Daniel Pearl) – think assassination of Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn – for you to argue the old “non-Muslims cannot understand” is rather disingenuous isn’t it?

    Those of us who realise are on a steep learning curve, are mastering the learning very well and we understand only too well. The Muslim prophet ordered his followers to “invite” people to Islam, and then, if they refused, to impose Islam by force until it ruled the world. Lame-brained attempts have been made to do that in parts of the UK but to no avail and have been met with the ridicule they deserve.

    If, as you argue in vain to try to undermine our criticisms, we cherry pick from the Koran (and those of us who have taken the trouble to examine it in toto know it for what it is) then the questionable “authorities” who incite riots after Friday prayers citing the Koran as their authority do so also.

    Islam betrays its allegedly “peaceful” nature because its open aim is to foist its all-or-nothing value system on others instead of accepting its appropiate place alongside all other faith systems which rub along with each other rather than are instructed to fight against each other until one is triumphant. That alone, as well as the violence which is implicit if it doesn’t get its own way or is disagreed with, is enough to make me very suspicious of Islam’s intentions regardless of what people like you argue.

    And also this by whichiswhich, whom moretheylie (and lie it certainly does) accused of spouting EDL, BNP propaganda:

    “whichiswhich

    24 August 2011 12:46PM

    UndyingCincinnatus, my experience too.

    Some of my family live in Luton. I remember being told that when the old Luton synagogue was in a Muslim area its Rabbi, who lived within walking distance of it, had to take a route through that area with a police escort.

    And, if my family’s experience is anything to go by, I wouldn’t hold your breath about ever making a racism charge stick, even if, as happened to a good friend, there was blatant antisemitism (I witnessed it and offered a witness statement but it did no good. My friend was told to “avoid them in future”). The police were next to useless, crippled as they were by outdated notions of political correctness and terrified lest they be discliplined for “insulting” the perpetrators.

    Islam is indeed intolerant of others. Tolerant Muslims are terrified into silence by others. One wonders how to support them in speaking out against Islamic excesses which must make any intelligent person cringe and whether they buy wholeheartedly into the Islamic supremacy rubbish that is peddled.

    I think I know of the group who posted the rubbish you referred to, which tried to separate Muslims from participatory citizenship and lawkeeping.

    Add to that another friend’s experience: His was among the few non-Muslim households in his street. He had lived there for decades and didn’t want to move out, in spite of the suitcase full of cash offered him by a neighbour who knocked on his door late one night. He was not harrassed when he refused to sell up but I know of quite a few who are and, of course, the police do little or nothing.

    Racist (anti-white) statements, spitting at people is a form of violence and those who perpetrate it should be stopped from doing so by complaints to the police, whether they are acted upon or not. Such people have been allowed to get away with it for too long. Enough complaints and the police will have to do something.

  2. When the citizenry conclude that the law of the land is not being upheld,

    that dual standard are applied by officialdom,

    what could possibly happen???

  3. moretheylie’s claim that the EDL was created “as the street militia” for “pro Zionists” is bizarre enough.

    And it just goes downhill from there.

    Do people like moretheylie actually believe the shite they write? Or are they just out to offend people?

    • With the Rustbuckets daughter Bella Mackie (the one with the silly hair do) in charge of moderation,what were you expecting,that they become Zionists overnight………

      • Is she actually still in charge or has she been kicked out to run the What do you want to talk about? thread instead, which, apparently, she thinks entitles her to call herself a journalist!!

        I wonder what’d happen to her if Daddy Rustbucket had to resign because of Guardian involvement, via David Leigh, in telephone hacking?

        There’s nothing about nepotism in the Guardian’s new rules either….