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  1. Terrible idea,the ME DOES NOT need another Islamic state that gave the world suicide bombings plane hijacking kidnappings honor killing FGM,sharia Law,and it this just keeps going on and on and on……….

    Since this corrupt and perverted terrorist Arafat came on the scene this world has gone downhill,everything has changed for the worse since he strutted on to the world stage,he spawned the palestinian nation,and it’s has been downhill ever since…….Turkeys don’t vote for X’Mas…………

  2. Who thinks a palestinian state is a good idea?……….Besides those that want to harm Israel no one else would….No sane balanced level headed person would want to foist on the world another failed Islamic state.

  3. So, erm, is this website officially opposed to a two-state solution?

    Do the Palestinians not have the right to self-determination?

    And do you really give a flying fuck about gay rights and a free press in this prospective new state?

      • “your islamofascist regime of iran”???

        You know that I am opposed to the Iranian regime – doesn’t stop you posting cheap jibes, though.


        • Yes, pretzels, my comment was cheap, easy and most importantly ACCURATE.

          pretzels, Now here your murderous president of the islamofascist regime of iran telling students at Columbia U. that there are no gays in the islamofascist regime of iran.

          Happy Nakba pretzels!

    • Who exactly ARE* the Palestinians, pretzelberg? Arafat is known to have said that he made up the notion of a Palestinian nation the better to bash Israel.

      *(It’s OK, pretzelberg, they don’t seem to know who they are either).

      Zuheir Mohsen was both a PLO leader and an official in the ideologically Pan-Arabist Syrian Ba’ath party at the same time. As such, he stated that there were “no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese”, though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. This originated in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:

      “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.”

      • I think the issue at hand is that regardless of when the concept of Palestinian peoplehood made its way into existence, it’s now a fact on the ground, simply because there is a group of people who define themselves this way, and perhaps more importantly, are defined this way by the nations that allow them to stay on in refugee camps but won’t give them citizenship, or a shot at a better life. What’s a Palestinian? Any Lebanese or Jordanian can tell you. And spit.

        That said, my single biggest concern about the creation of a Palestinian state at this time (since most of the above will go one with or without one), is that they’re making it quite clear they have no intention of allowing the creation of such a state to solve the refugee issues. The PA’s man in Lebanon went to so far as to announce that they wouldn’t give passports to people living in ‘refugee camps’ (now permanent communities) in the WEST BANK.

  4. 1. “So, erm, is this website officially opposed to a two-state solution?”

    I don’t know about this website, but the Palestinian leadership is (not recognizing Israel as the Jewish national homeland).

    2. “And do you really give a flying fuck about gay rights and a free press in this prospective new state?”

    Since gay rights and a free press are signs of a functioning democracy (which is a lot less likely to attack Israel), “we” (whoever that is supposed to mean) do give a “flying fuck” about gay rights and a free press.
    I know that many in the West (including Der Guardian and you) don’t give a flying fuck if Middle East countries turn into Islamic Emirates ruled by the Taliban, but somehow we don’t really like the idea (and we would be the ones paying the price, not the hamass-lickers in Der Guardian and the pseudo-liberal, so-called “left” in Europe).
    By the way, where have you disappeared from the “When anti-Zionism becomes antisemitism” thread?

  5. pretzelberg,

    How about addressing the main points of my (and others’) comments, and not the way some of us call the hamass-lickers (and yes, I mean Der Guardian, among others)?

    • What “main points”?
      I do not wish to see the Islamists taking over in the ME, if that’s what you mean.

  6. the main points:

    1. The one opposing the two-state solution is the PA, so your question (“So, erm, is this website officially opposed to a two-state solution?”) is irrelevant.

    2. Yes, we do give a “flying fuck” about what kind of regime/s gain power around us, in case you wondered. Maybe you don’t wish to see Islamist regimes taking over in the ME, but judging by the amound of Hamass-lickers writing in DER GUARDIAN, you are a minority…

    • al-gharqad

      pretzel does have grounded moments but, as you will learn, he is generally best ignored. he thinks it’s jolly grown up to take part in political debate and because he is unaware of his dislocation with the identity of this site and its contexts, the the discussion quickly turns into what it’s really all about with pretzelberg: himself.

      • he is unaware of his dislocation with the identity of this site

        Probably ten articles on this website are based on pointers from yours truly. And the people in charge of the site appreciate my contributions.

        How about you?

        And if and when the discussion turns to me – it’s when dickheads laughably suggest I’m an anti-Semite.

    • There already is a “two-state solution”.

      Israel and Jordan.

      Maybe pretzels really means a “three-state solution” but can’t get past his inherent intellectual limitations.

    • The PA opposes the two-state solution?


      Of course you give a fuck about your neighbours and their attitude towards Israel. That’s is completey understandable. But that wasn’t my question, was it? And you know it. So stop the dishonesty.

  7. Well, I’ll be away for the weekend, but who knows, maybe by the time I get back I’ll be surprised by some kind of response from pretzelberg. I won’t hold my breath, though.

  8. I think it’s a good idea, but I doubt that Abbas does and he dare not admit it. He couldn’t run a whelk stall let alone a country, and it’s time for the world to to bear witness to that.

    Somehow I can’t see the other Arab nations in the ME rushing to help them fill the gap left if the US makes good its intention to stop providing funding. No, “Palestinians” in exile are much more use as a way of deflecting their own people’s discontents with their government. What will be the Palestinians’ new role if they have a state? They would have the first idea of what to do!

    Yes, I look forward to Abbas declaring a state — and then his bleating when he realises the mistake he’s made by refusing to make a lasting peace with his nearest neighbour. (Except of course, it’ll not be his mistake – it’ll be everyone else’s mistake BUT his own, won’t it)?

    I’d bet that secretly he’s looking forward to a US veto:

    (a) so that he can default to “poor us, everyone is against us” mode and beat his poor little breast

    (b) breathe a hearty (but secret) sigh of relief that he doesn’t have to make even more of a public fool of himself.

  9. Of course the palestinians have the right to self determination they can self determination all that they like in Jordan.

    What the palestinians don’t have is the right to send terrorists across the border to kill innocent Israeli men women and children…

    Will shooting missiles into Israel in the future be part of this “Self Determination”….I have a feeling that it will….