Guardian

What the Guardian won’t report about Palestinian Independence: It wouldn’t solve refugee problem


H/T Margie and Elder

Those who are truly liberal, and genuinely seek peace between Israel and the Palestinians, and thus support a two-state solution in hopes of finally ending the bloody conflict, are no doubt operating under the assumption that such a deal would finally solve the decades long “refugee” problem.

They understandably would likely assume that, upon the birth of Palestine, all of the millions of refugees (and their descendants), those who claim refugee status and have been denied citizenship in the countries where they reside (such as Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria), would be immediately granted citizenship in the new Palestinian state – something akin to a Palestinian Right of Return to Palestine.

Think again.

Per a story in Lebanese paper, The Daily Star:

“Palestinian Ambassador Abdullah Abdullah spoke to The Daily Star Wednesday about Palestine’s upcoming bid for U.N. statehood.”

The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. “They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. “But … they are not automatically citizen.”

It get worse:

Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.” [emphasis mine]

He says statehood “will never affect the right of return for Palestinian refugees.”

That’s right. Even upon the creation of an independent Palestinian state, Palestinian leaders still insist on the right of millions upon millions of Palestinian Arabs to move to Israel.

Added Abdullah:

A two-state solution, as Palestinian leadership sees it, is not a solution to the conflict. This is only a new framework that will change the rules of the game.” [emphasis mine]

Palestinian intentions simply can not be stated any clearer than that.

It’s time for those sincerely engaged in finding a solution to the I-P Conflict to at least acknowledge this unpleasant reality. 

16 replies »

  1. Jonathan Freedland wrote a very soapy and glossy piece in the Guardian 13 September, in itself needing some deconstruction and analysis. His faulty reasoning is evermore highlighted with this latest revelation in which he tries to explain why the British AND Israel should “SAY YES” to the Palestinian initiative.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/13/britain-yes-to-palestinian-statehood?INTCMP=SRCH

    Hmmm. He is obviously aware of the delegimisation campaign having expressed it openly, when caught out in a debate ostensibly there to argue against boycotting and “occupation” , but is now treating it as a single irregular heartbeat and has returned to promote his earlier position.

    Well, Mr. Freedland, if you are reading this, I and many others on this board wonder, whether in your reasoning, you have made more allowances for these “irregular” comments to justify them, if ever possible, and would be grateful if you could let us know what we should do now?

    I should add, that at least the Palestinian Ambassador is being honest with us.

  2. Well! This simply confirms that the real conflict is all along the Arab-Israeli conflict. Remember when the word “Palestinian” was just an adjective – Palestinian Arab. At some point it turned into a noun, but as the events over the last few months, the so-(mis)called Arab Spring, the hatred of Jews and the Jewish state is endemic to the Arab world. That “palestinianism” is merely a tactic has been unambiguously spelled out in this reported interview. However, it seldom makes any difference to the hate-mongering neo-nazis at the Guardian and elsewhere…. But it is at least useful that these sentiments are on record.

  3. “they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.”

    Does Abbas have a massive bet against himself winning the next election (if and when it happens)?

    I find that quote (i.e. as it stands) hard to believe.

    • Why do you find it hard to believe? If you look at the history of the conflict, it becomes very apparent that Palestinians are political pawns, it’s just refreshing to here Arabs admit it for once.

    • Abbas knows that there is very little chance of sufficient reconciliation with Hamas to make another election possible. Anybody honestly assessing the situation would see that too

    • It is all of a piece with this:

      1) Abbas: We will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state

      http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=867

      2) ‘[The French initiative] reshaped the issue of the “Jewish state” into a formula that is also unacceptable to us – two states for two peoples. They can describe Israel itself as a state for two peoples, but we will be a state for one people. The story of “two states for two peoples” means that there will be a Jewish people over there and a Palestinian people here. We will never accept this – not as part of the French initiative and not as part of the American initiative. We will not sacrifice the 1.5 million Palestinians with Israeli citizenship who live within the 1948 borders, and we will never agree to a clause preventing the Palestinian refugees from returning to their country. We will not accept this, whether the initiative is French, American, or Czechoslovakian.’ — Nabil Shaath, head of foreign relations in the Fatah movement

      http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3046.htm

      Via Melanie Phillips

      http://melaniephillips.com/is-the-british-government-about-to-vote-for-a-palestinian-state

  4. Before this came to light a blogger who is a staunch supporter of Israel, Archbishop Cranmer, posted concerning the people “Palestine” – if it ever comes into being – would admit. His Grace has now had deposited on his blog page a foul thing from a “David Cockburn” to which I had only the briefest time to respond. I hope others have the time to look at this page:

    http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2011/09/palestine-no-jews-no-gays-no-gypsies.html

  5. This is a terrorist tactic. Once their state is recognized, they can act like Lebanon, have the protection of the UN and its rules when they launch attacks against Israel.

    It was never about the refugees or peace. It is merely a step to afford official protection to terror. As until now that support was unofficial.

  6. Abbas is led by his mouth which he opens and spouts from without engaging his brain or having any concept of cause, effect or the long term effects of what he says.

    In this way his bombast has overtaken whatever sense he was possessed of when he said he would declare a Palestinian state (and later that he didn’t want US dollars to help set it up. Good. If Obama is as good as his word he won’t get any). In this he is like Arafat – a consummate, two faced performer and a liar who bleats about peace and yet praises suicide murderers and commemorates them, uses aid money funded by your and my taxes to pay salaries to captured terrorists while they are in prison.

    The Palestinian people, of course, believe that there will be massive changes for the better in their lives immediately after any declaration by him. They won’t be able to tolerate the ensuing frustration when this does not happen and as a result there will, probably literally, be blood up the walls.

    Abbas is an idiot. Rather than lose face he continued to try to convince himself that he could birth a Palestinian state while maintaining a state of war against his neighbour. The standing joke has been that he’s looking for the equivalent of a big enough step ladder so as to be able to climb down from his big talk without breaking his neck. I am glad that he hasn’t been given one and I shall await with interest what will inevitably transpire.

    And he will deserve everything he gets.

  7. Unless Abbas means to coexist non-belligerently beside Israel then there’s going to be a need for a new national anthem for his state. The current one really wouldn’t do:

    My country , my country My country , the land of my grand fathers
    My country , my country
    My country , my nation , the nation of eternity
    With my determination , my fire and the volcano of my revenge
    The longing of my blood to my land and home
    I have climbed the mountains and fought the wars
    I have conquered the impossible , and crossed the boarders
    My country , my country , the nation of eternity
    With the resolve of the winds and the fire of the guns
    And the determination of my nation in the land of struggle
    Palestine is my home , Palestine is my fire ,
    Palestine is my revenge and the land of eternal
    My country , my country , the nation of eternity
    I swear under the shade of the flag
    To my land and nation , and the fire of pain
    I will live as a guerrilla , I will go on as guerrilla ,
    I will expire as guerrilla until I will be back
    My country , my country , the nation of eternity

  8. Notice none of the anti-Israel pro-Palestinian mob, whether in media. blogs, or ngo’s have mentioned this? They don’t care. This makes them as bad as the PA. They don’t deserve a pass for accusing others of not caring for Palestinians when they couldn’t care less themselves. I can only conclude the anti-Israel, so called pro-Palestinian mob loathes Palestinians. In a very sick way they use Palestinians as pawns every bit as much as any Arab leader. Why else wouldn’t they have a problem with this? Their silence is deafening.