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What the Guardian won’t report: Palestinian schools teach Protocols of Elders of Zion as fact


If you were a 10th-grade student in the Palestinian Authority (PA), you would learn that the Jewish Elders of Zion are conspiring to subjugate the entire world under a Jewish world government.

A high school textbook book, published by the Palestinian education ministry, teaches that among the foundations of Zionism, agreed upon at the First Zionist Congress in 1897:

“There is a group of confidential resolutions  adopted by the Congress and known by the name ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ the goal of which was world domination.”

As the report by Palestinian Media Watch noted.

The striking truth is that this depiction of Jews as conspiring against the world as a kind of conspiracy theory never went out of favor and has been actively espoused in PA society, whose political, religious and educational leaders have incorporated the Protocols – and the hate ideology it represents – as basic components of their world view.

The Protocols libel is critical for Palestinian society, especially while teaching children that it represents the First Zionist Congress, because it backs up the global ideology of delegitimization of Jews, Israel and especially of Zionism, which is the foundation of Palestinian Authority propaganda.

Defining the Zionist movement as one aspect of a global Jewish plot towards world domination leads to three important conclusions:

1- Zionism is inherently an illegitimate and sinister movement

2- Zionism is dangerous and threatening not merely to Arabs, but to the entire world.

3- Fighting Zionism is for Arabs and the world an act of self-defense and a service to all
humanity.

As such, references to the Protocols appear regularly in the PA media, presented as authentic by academics, educators, political leaders and journalists.

A dominant preoccupation of PA academia is the repeated and varied denials of Israel’s historical right to exist.

These denials entail the erasure of Jewish history in the land, the creation of a Palestinian Islamic history in the land, and finally a motivation for Zionism to be established – other than its being an authentic national renaissance movement. Thus, a history is invented in which the Land of Israel has always been Arab Islamic “Palestine” with no Jewish roots, and Palestinian historians created reasons to explain Zionism’s occurrence.

The report continues:

Can there be co-existence on Palestinian land between ourselves and the Jews, in light of their mentality which stems from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?”

The Protocols is being used as an excuse for fighting Israel, as there can be no peace with a movement which is evil in essence.

Official newspaper of the PA, Al Hayat Al Jadida, May 14, 2005

The PMW report concludes:

In spite of universal acceptance of the Protocols as an anti-Semitic forgery, the representation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an authentic book representing a true Jewish conspiracy is part of Palestinian Authority ideology. The PA is using this libel the same way it was used by anti-Semites in the last century: Once it was documented by an “authentic” book that the Jews were part of an international conspiracy to dominate, control and conquer the world, then fighting them, persecuting them or even killing them could be
presented as legitimate self-defense.

The Protocols for the Palestinians serve the same purpose as the blood libels and the myths of the poisoned wells: If the Jews are scheming to kill others, then fighting them is legitimate self-defense and even admirable.

As such facts regarding endemic antisemitism in the PA are inconsistent with tales of Israeli villainy, and Palestinian victimhood, don’t expect to ever read about them on the Israel or Palestinian Territories pages of the Guardian. 

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  1. I disagree with sivertrees on his perceived correlation between anti zionism and Jew hatred. He is partially correct of course as evidenced by the appalling hatred and gullibility in many conspiracy theory circles, particularly in the Arab world, and I accept that to a Jew this can seem to extend everywhere. I feel that to be opposed to the principles of Zionism does not necessarily make one a racist. My views on Israeli military behaviour and the appalling behaviour of the PA are rooted in what I hope is a sense of justice for all the people of that region.
    But to get back on track, I would add that the outlandish forgeries known as the secret protocols of the elders of Zion are routinely circulated around the more idiotic realms of conspiracy nuts in Europe and America. This is not just a PA phenomenon.
    How any thinking person could believe that a whole race of people (or even just their so called elite) have conspired for centuries to achieve world domination beggars belief…yet the lie persists…and it has many deluded idiots onboard. The human capacity for self deception will plumb any depth if it means coming up with a simplistic explanation that makes our chaotic world easier to understand for those looking for an easy explanation….it always turns out to be a lie and its usually the Jews who get the blame.

    • “I disagree with sivertrees on his perceived correlation between anti zionism and Jew hatred.”

      Many classical Jew-haters today hide behind anti-Zionism. However, even had anti-Zionism nothing whatsoever to do with Jew-hatred, still it would be illegitimate, for the Jews are a real nation (which the Arab settler-colonists in Palestine falsely calling themselves “Palestinians” aren’t), and to deny a real nation its right to a nation-state on their indigenous territory (Palestine in the case of the Jewish nation) is to hate that nation, whether so is intended or not.

      “…I would add that the outlandish forgeries known as the secret protocols of the elders of Zion are routinely circulated around the more idiotic realms of conspiracy nuts in Europe and America. This is not just a PA phenomenon.”

      Around the more idiotic realms of conspiracy nuts in Europe and America, you said. Well observed. In the Arab Settler Authority, the Protocols are not limited to conspiracy nuts—there, and in the Muslim world entire, the Protocols are mainstream reading, displayed on the bookshelves for all to buy, and endorsed by political and religious leaders all over.

      Islamic Jew-hatred today, like Nazi Jew-hatred in the past, is a mass movement. That is why it must never be brushed aside, but every Jew must fight it to the bitter end.

    • I feel that to be opposed to the principles of Zionism does not necessarily make one a racist.”

      Not a racist but an antisemite for sure…

      You used the term “principles” which means that you oppose it for its totality rather than certain elements within it (like the IDFs actions or statements by officials etc)

      It is like saying, ” I have no issue with the Irish but Ireland shouldn’t exist as per principle….

    • Brian Dowling thank you for your reply, but I am not sure what the thrust of your post is. The “appalling hatred” to which you refer in the Arab world is mainly of the Jew and, based as it is in the teachings of the muslim prophet in the koran, it cannot be deviated from. There was Jew-hatred from Islam long before there was a state of Israel and mass ethnic cleansing and pogroms against Jews in Arab countries.

      Given the ease with which the Arab governments themselves, as well as the Muslim on the street, conflate Judaism with Zionism, it is incumbent on them to be careful to distinguish rather than we to assume that when they spew Israel-hatred this is not hatred of Jews or vice versa. Given past behaviour people like me cannot be blamed for assuming that their hatred is of the Jew, and that the existence of the state of Israel provides them with a vehicle for that hatred.

      Anyone who criticises Zionism and doesn’t want to be mistaken for an antisemite is under a responsibility to be crystal clear about what they mean – far too often criticism of Israel and Zionism descends to personalities and uses identical tropes – eg alleged Zionist power – to those used by the Jew-hater.

      I cannot say how prevalent is the belief in the Protocols as fact elsewhere in the world, but the article here speaks for itself surely.

      Out of interest, why do you think that the Jews usually get the blame?

  2. “I feel that to be opposed to the principles of Zionism does not necessarily make one a racist.”

    The Jewish state is the only country in the world that large numbers of people want to eliminate. That in itself is a manifestation of anti-Semitism. That such sentiments are also, at least in the West, motivated by anti-Semitism goes without saying. Anti-Zionism is the respectable face of anti-Semitism. It is the great evil of our time, and the fact that it is so popular in Europe is proof positive that nothing if anything has changed in that terrible place since the Holocaust.

  3. @Hoi polloi and Ziontruth…I can assure you Im no anti semite and neither are any friends I have who may not subscribe to zionist ideology. To assume otherwise plays into the hands of anti semites and unfortunately resembles some of the less flattering stereotypes that people sling at Jews.
    Criticism and debate should not automatically be taken for racism, it diminishes your argument and you need all the friends you can get at the moment. Europeans are by and large better disposed to Israel than they are to Israels fascist neighbours, so a lot has changed believe me. You can make your points far more eloquently by not playing the anti semite card at every criticism leveled at Israel, God knows there are enough genuine anti semites around without labelling anti zionism as the respectable face of Jew hatred. Its only partially true and yes you must be on your guard, but you need to be smarter than your enemies, so please be a little more open minded. I despise the one sided arguments leveled at Israel by some quarters of the so called liberal left, but equally I have little time for those who dont acknowledge that Israel is not above reproach.
    You need to fight anti Jewish hatred,wherever you find it but please, we non Jews come in all shapes and sizes and hold various different opinions on various different aspects of Israeli policy…there are huge shades of gray in life, its just not that simple…but to your real enemies it is. Peace..

    • “I can assure you Im no anti semite…”

      I didn’t say you were. All I said is there is much overlap between Jew-haters and anti-Zionists, and that anti-Zionism is illegitimate even in the cases where it is not motivated by Jew-hatred.

      “…and neither are any friends I have who may not subscribe to zionist ideology.”

      As far as I’m concerned, you don’t have to subscribe to it, neutrality is fine. But to believe the Arab claim to this land over the Jewish one puts one out of neutral ground.

      “…but equally I have little time for those who dont acknowledge that Israel is not above reproach.”

      The actions of the Jewish State are not above reproach, but the essence of the Jewish State most certainly is. Anti-Zionism does not consist in mere criticism of Israel’s policies; it consists in the idea that the Jews have no right to some or all parts of Palestine. That idea is illegitimate, just as the idea that the Greeks have no right to some or all parts of Hellas is illegitimate.

      “…we non Jews come in all shapes and sizes and hold various different opinions on various different aspects of Israeli policy…”

      Not trying to be offensive, but why is it any non-Jew’s business? Suppose I started registering on British forums as an Israeli just for the purpose of criticizing them on the issue of Northern Ireland—would that be OK with you? Or would it not be, instead, poking my nose into affairs that are no concern of mine? Yes, I have an opinion on many conflicts outside the neck of my woods, just as most people have, but there is with this Middle East conflict an obsession that’s well past the limits of good taste and into blatant interventionism.

      The world is not a global village, no matter what the internationalist ideologues might say. This conflict is local. To claim world peace is contingent upon solving it is unjust to the core. Think whatever you want about Israel and her position in this conflict, but kindly do not try—do not even suggest trying—to bring world peace on the backs of the Jewish nation and their one and only tiny nation-state in the world.

    • A) “I can assure you Im no anti semite and neither are any friends I have who may not subscribe to zionist ideology.”

      If you are an anti-Zionist then you are both anti-Semitic and wicked. Anti-Zionism has nothing to do with legitimate criticism of the Jewish state or her policies. It is an eliminationist ideology not so different to the Nazi world view except that the Jewish state has now replaced the Diaspora Jew.

      B) “To assume otherwise plays into the hands of anti semites and unfortunately resembles some of the less flattering stereotypes that people sling at Jews.”

      You are making three points:

      1) By defending the Jewish people against a manifestation of anti-Semitism then I am causing anti-Semitism.

      No, anti-Semites are always responsible for anti-Semitism.

      2) I live up to at least one of the negative images that anti-Semites have of Jews.

      In other words, anti-Semites are right.

      3) By implication, you are also justifying the actions of anti-Semites.

      Your poisonous little diatribe only serves to confirm what I wrote above:

      “Anti-Zionism is the respectable face of anti-Semitism. It is the great evil of our time, and the fact that it is so popular in Europe is proof positive that nothing if anything has changed in that terrible place since the Holocaust.”

      It also serves to demonstrate how close it is to the surface. Just the merest pinprick can bring all that age-old poison bubbling up at any minute.

      C) “you need all the friends you can get at the moment.”

      So, according to you, unless the benighted Jew listens to the views of his betters then there is no hope for him. There was a type of Englishman between the two wars who was despised pretty much in every corner of the world. He was arrogant, patronising, bullying and profoundly ethnocentric. You mirror him perfectly.

    • Brian I support the re-establishment and development of a Jewish state in Israel. Now does that make me a Zionist?
      Well if it does, then surely an anti-Zionist is someone who opposes the RIGHT of the Jewish people to re-establish their state in Israel.
      And that is the fig leaf that many who describe themselves as anti-Zionists use to cover up blatant anti-semitism.
      Surely you agree that the Jewish people have the right to re-establish their state?
      And if you deny the Jewish people that right then surely you agree that that is anti-semitism?

  4. “I feel that to be opposed to the principles of Zionism does not necessarily make one a racist.”

    I’d be interested to know what you believe those principles to be.

    Brian, firstly, Jews have been a continuous presence in Israel. They aren’t intruders into an Arab land.

    Aside from those who have lived in Israel for centuries, in my view Europe pretty much created the Zionism many of its people now condemn. If it hadn’t been for centuries-long persecution across the continent would there have been a need for a Jewish state? Herzl realised that these persecutions seemed unstoppable, but I doubt even he evisaged the Holocaust in which country after country simply handed over its Jewish population to be dehumanised and murdered – Denmark being an exception. So, in modern times Europe has made it fairly clear that Jews are not wanted and are not safe. .

    Following the Holocaust, came the expulsions from Arab lands. Almost a million Jews fleeing or being forced out of countries they had lived in for centuries – my own in-laws amongst them. All that they had was taken from them. Most went to Israel, some to the USA and Europe.

    So aside from the descendants of Jews who have always been in Israel. the first wave of post-Herzl emigration and those who in recent times have emigrated because they feel a strong bond with land, you have a sizeable chunk of the population who are descendants of Jews persecuted and/or driven out from Europe, the Arab lands and Ethopia. It seems to me, then, that not content with having persecuted or kicked Jews out the first time around, these same countries now feel the need to do it all over again – in one form or another. The Arabs make no bones about their desire to wipe Israel off the map. The Europeans may consider themselves rather different, but they need to stand up to the forces that are driving Jews out again. And, as we see in Sweden, Norway, France and Holland, they are not only failing spectacularly, but seem pretty much on-side with those forces.

    Herzl didn’t alight on Israel immediately – but really, would it have made any difference where the Jewish state was? That it needs to exist is proven by historical evidence that stretches across time. That it needs to exist is also an indictment on humanity. But even if Herzl had wangled a strip of land in any other area of the world, it would still have resulted in the same thing.

    I think those who don’t see anti-Zionism as a form of racism may need to think again. To hound people out of one continent and a chunk of another, and to continue hounding them when they’ve gone does smack of something quite ugly.

    • Change the script ! All the European Jews who moved to Israel after the Signing of the Balfour declaration were German, Russian, Polish .. None of them were descendents of the Israelites which if you did your Religious history does not give them a God given right to claim Israel as their homeland because their bloodlines are disconnected

      JEWS & EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS claim that the modern State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. This claim evinces a shallow and errant understanding of the Bible.

      The meek shall inherit the earth said Jesus Christ to His disciples. But where do we see any hint of “meekness” in the conduct of the Jews? Jesus also said, Blessed are the peacemakers. But the Jews are warmongers not peace makers. The world has experienced nothing but turmoil since the creation of Israel in 1948.

      The theft of Arab lands by the Jews before and after the U.N. partition of Palestine in 1948 is evidence enough to incriminate the Jews of breaking the commandment: “Thou Shalt Not Steal.” Why make God an accomplice to thievery by saying that Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

      • chris j walters,

        Jewishness is not a racial, genetic, biological-only ethnicity. A Jew is either someone born to a Jewish mother or someone who has converted to Judaism according to the requirements of Jewish Law. The second criterion decouples Jewishness from race and means a Jew of any skin, hair and eye color is virtually a descendant of the Israelites.

        “The world has experienced nothing but turmoil since the creation of Israel in 1948.”

        Because the world was nothing but peace, butterflies and bluebirds before 1948. /sarc

        “The theft of Arab lands…”

        Only the Arabian Peninsula is Arab land. Outside of Arabia, the Arabs themselves are beneficiaries of a land grab. True, it is too late to reverse that, but where the indigenous of a land still exist, it means the Arabs have no right to obstruct them from inhabiting their land without limit. The indigenous of Palestine are the Jews, and only the Jews.

      • I see meekness isn’t one of your finer traits, Chris. Not a lot of evidence of ‘peacemaking’ going on here either.

        Rather than address my points you have rather gone off on a rant. Perhaps you can point out where I brought the bible into my comment? But, for the record, I think your knowledge of ‘religious history’ and understanding of the bible is, shall we say, “shallow and errant”?

        “None of them were descendents of the Israelites ”

        Care to explain how the centuries-long persecution of Jews across Europe came about then, Chris?

        And what of those Jews who were expelled or fled from the Arab lands from 1943 onwards? Who are their descendants?

        As a final note, don’t use the Arabs to validate your own prejudice.

  5. Brian – I’m now rather confused because you appear to be muddling ‘criticism’ with ‘anti-zionism’ – and these are two very different things.

  6. Here DOCUMENTARY footage of a recent meeting of the Learned Elders!

    It should be part of the curriculim of every child in the islamofascist ummah.

  7. b>The YouTube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/palwatch, the YouTube channel of Palestinian Media Watch ( http://palwatch.org ), which is an organization that observes, and translates into English, and posts, with English subtitles, content of the television media of the Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas television stations, has been terminated. Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas, on their television stations, broadcast racist genocidally anti-Jewish programs and state, in Arabic, their intentions to annihilate Israel. Palestinian Media Watch presents, with English subtitles, that programming broadcasted by Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas. Palestinian Media Watch endeavors to present, to the world, that programming broadcasted by Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas. The YouTube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/palwatch of Palestinian Media Watch ( http://palwatch.org ) had several hundred video clips of the television media of the Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas television stations.

    Now, navigating to the YouTube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/palwatch results in there not being displayed the YouTube channel palwatch, but, rather, instead, results in there being displayed a page which contains the following message:

    This account has been terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Community Guidelines and/or claims of copyright infringement.

    I suspect that the cause of the YouTube channel of Palestinian Media Watch being terminated was a campaign of false flagging by ‘Palestinian’ Arab activists, and/or Muslim Arab non-‘Palestinian’-Arab activists, and/or Muslim non-Arab activists, and/or Western Leftist so-called “Anti-Zionist”/”Pro-Palestinian” activists (Western Leftist totalitarian anti-Jewish racists).

  8. Ziontruth I accept your points, especially your last paragraph as pointed out by Penny. The peace of the world does not fall or rest with Israel, but as most of the attacks on European soil are committed by Arabs citing our percieved support for Israel and America, it’s hardly surprising that we non jews have an interest in what goes on and the attitudes of the protagonists.
    At least this forum hasn’t sunk into thae burn the Jews and infidels that the pro Palestinian and pro Iranian pages do, so I may learn something.

    Hoipolloi I feel you are a little hypersensitive, my feelings on Zionism as practiced in relation to the effect on Palestinians are nebulous, confused and in no way fully formed as yet. I dont know which is true, the Palestinian narrative or the Israeli narrative, I have read (years ago) both sides and find it confusing and tragic. I have to say that the Jewish narrative is looking more likely to me as time goes on.
    You are of course right that anti semitism is always the fault of the antisemite, but I dont take your criticisms of my “diatribe” personally, Im here to listen to an exchange of viewpoints…and yes I suppose it isn’t my business as a non Jew or Arab.

    My rants elsewhere on Islam I will of course standby, as I have no time for organised religion generally especially bloodthirsty,deathcults that promote genocide. I have little enough time for the rubbish that was shoved down my throat as a child recieving religious instruction in school.

    Penny, yes Europe has behaved shamefully for centuries toward Jews and Im sure created the impetus to return to the homeland. This discrimination goes on today among many of the Arab immigrants to Europe and to a much lesser extent a section of native europeans.

    Armaros makes a very valid point regarding the principles of Zionism..perhaps it would be more accurate to say I have problems with aspects of Israeli govt policies (although I struggle to give an alternative) than with Zionism overall, although as a secularist it seems strange to me to construct a nation along the lines of race and religion with a blatantly discriminatory immigration policy. Yet the Jews are indeed a special case due to the holocaust, so I think I understand the motives behind such policy, but is it fair?… I dont know and may never make up my mind on it….we did something similar in Ireland where religious divide was an obsession with terrible results.

    Having said that what is Israel to do? No other nation to my knowledge has ever been in this position. Even those I know who feel that Israel is basically in the worst possible place from a practical view given the appalling nieghbours, dont advocate that they be hounded out, they leave that viewpoint to the Arabs and neonazis.

    Perhaps I’ll just read a little more of your comments and a lot more history before commenting myself.
    It has been interesting and I hope to learn more, thank you..

    • “…but as most of the attacks on European soil are committed by Arabs citing our percieved support for Israel and America, it’s hardly surprising that we non jews have an interest in what goes on and the attitudes of the protagonists.”

      Would it were just an interest, and not the unrestricted readiness to believe the Arab imperialists’ lies.

      First of all, what have attacks on European soil to do with American support for Israel? As I always say to Euromeddlers: Americans could somehow claim a right to meddle in the Jewish State’s affairs by virtue of the aid they give (which is already only in the form of a loan from which U.S. industries themselves benefit—not a free gift of money and materials as many people believe), but Europeans have none of that. You don’t give aid, you don’t give military support, you don’t do Israel any sort of favor that could theoretically give you the right to tell the Jews not to build on parts of their own land. This is pure meddling.

      Secondly, the reasons (for want of a better word) the Muslims cite for their murderous rampages are varied, much beyond the issue of Palestine: Over the past decade they have cited Pope Benedict’s remarks on their religion’s founder, Danish cartoons of the same, the presence of American troops on Arabian soil, America’s involvement in Bosnia (where the U.S. actually shamefully took the Muslims’ side!), and, going all the way back to the 1950s, if you read the writings of a certain Egyptian student who had spent the last years of the previous decade in an American town (Greeley, Colorado), men and women dancing together.

      All are excuses, pretexts and trumped-up charges. All are distractions the heart of the matter, from the only real issue: The Muslims’ rage at every non-Muslim state is for its very being a non-Muslim state—the fact that it is not ruled according to the law they believe Allah wants every state in the world to be ruled by, Islamic law, shariah law. Some of them are honest in saying exactly so (such as your local troublemaker Anjem Choudhary). Some opt to be devious and use the moral-sounding justifications donated to them by their Marxist fellow travelers, who share with them this basic hatred of the West and the desire to fell it by any means possible.

      When you realize this truth, you will at the very least see the issue of Palestine for the red herring it is, and understand that there is nothing for Britain (or the U.S.A., or any other non-Muslim state) to gain from pressuring Israel to make concessions to its sworn Islamic enemies. Quite the opposite: Such pressure only emboldens them, and as they are your enemies too, now residing in your own cities thanks to the multiculturalist policies of your political “betters,” that means a potential increase in the danger of Islamic terrorism on your soil.

      You also say:

      “…although as a secularist it seems strange to me to construct a nation along the lines of race and religion with a blatantly discriminatory immigration policy. Yet the Jews are indeed a special case due to the holocaust, so I think I understand the motives behind such policy, but is it fair?”

      It’s fair for the Jews and it’s fair for any other real nation. In fact, Britain is right now in a big mess because consecutive British governments have abandoned the insistence on the former British ethnic nationalism in favor of multiculturalism and the Proposition Nation, which posits a nation to be the sum of all residents of the state and turns the state into a free-for-all where multiple nations are mixed into a powder keg that could explode any moment. As it was in Lebanon (1979–90), Yugoslavia (1992–5) and Iraq post-Saddam, wherever multiple nations are put together under the same political roof and there is no tyrannical hand to put the lid on their inevitable differences.

      Prudence lies in learning from others’ bad experiences.

      • Well put and much for me to ponder..I have no cozy world view left anymore and haven’t for some time. The older I get the more confused the situation seems to be for everyone I know who thinks about it. Our own divided situation in Ireland seems simple in comparison and seems to be nearing some kind of mutual agreement.. Thanks for your time and considered response in this matter, particularly the lack of personal invective at some of my less well thought out remarks. You have given me an insight I didn’t possess before no matter how short this discussion has been.

        • Brian – should you return!

          One very important thing to bear in mind when looking at the Israel/Palestine conflict is the issue of values.

          The West makes a fundamental mistake in assuming that the values we hold to be true are the same everywhere. Cultural norms and values vary and the Middle East is no exception. We can easily see solutuions based on our own logic, values and mindset – but we cannot assume that they can be usefully applied unless the country in question is broadly in line with those values, too. Thus, the conflict in Northern Ireland cannot be judged by the same logic as a conflict in the ME.

          I watched a TV program which involved members of British intelligentsia arguing with an Islamist cleric. To the Western mind, their argument was logical, well-made and sound. To the cleric they were anything but. The intelligentsia were bewildered by his replies and quickly became irritated. They began to treat him as if he was a petulant child. They just couldn’t understand that his mindset and values simply didn’t match their own.

          A good example of our flawed assumptions is the Arab Spring. Almost everyone I knew believed that the uprisings would result in a democratic model they could identify with completely. They seemed to think Egypt would transform into France, Holland or Switzerland. That is because they confuse ‘democracy’ with ‘values’. Democracy is simply the will of the majority. Egyptian democracy will reflect Egyptian values, and as things stand, these are tending towards Islamic values and norms.

          If you haven’t done so before, it might be helpful to look up players such as Hasan al-Banna, Sayyd Qutb and Haj Amin al Husseini

          The mistake I think some make is to continue believing that this conflict is about justice for the Palestinians in terms of land. The five armies that attacked Israel did not do so in support of a group of people called the Palestinians – they didn’t come into being until 1967. (see quote below). Had those armies succeeded in 1948 they would have carved up and shared the land between themselves.

          The quote mentioned above is that of Zuheir Mohsen, military head of the PLO in the 1970’s and given to the Dutch newspaper Trouw in 1977

          “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. ”

          But why not visit Israel?: Let it speak for itself.

        • Thank you for your gracious responses, Brian. Whatever “less well thought out remarks” you may have made, they are made up for by your willingness to listen, which is totally lacking among those who are true Jew-haters.

      • You made an interesting point about the Balkans conflict and you can say the same is happening in Libya .. The Transition Council leadership have links to al Qaeda … If Al Qaeda was behind the biggest terror attacks ever then you would think that the US government would be hunting them down instead of installing them into the Libyan leadership ..You do know Al Qaeda was created by the CIA ?

  9. Another EXCELLENT post by ziontruth.

    One problem, with CiFWatch. When I click on the Stars to rate the post, NOTHING HAPPENS.

    Anyone else have this problem?

    • More details.

      Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.

      When I click on a star to rate, I see “Thank You” but my vote is not reflected.

      The Stars are all empty as if no vote was made.

      • JavaScript settings maybe? I usually browse all the web with both JavaScript and image loading turned off, switching them on only when there’s no choice. Could be someone similar to me used your ‘puter just now before you?

  10. Then he’s probably not a “bolshevik” either then.

    And I suspect his motives for posting here simply because you know him.

    Mods, please get rid of Walters. He’s p*ssing on your carpet again.

  11. Nobody objects to the Pakistani Muslim State which is 99 percent Muslim and was founded through violence. So why does the Jewish state of Israel continue to arouse such hatred? Only one answer: antisemitism.