What the Guardian won’t report. Terrorist responsible for Sbarro massacre: “I’d do it again.”

Here is Frimet Roth writing in today’s Ha’aretz about the impending release of Ahlam Tamimi, the woman responsible for the suicide attack which killed the Roths’ fifteen year old daughter, Malka, along with 14 other innocent men, women and children who were having lunch at the Jerusalem Sbarro’s in 2001:

I am writing these words moments after belatedly watching a recorded video that went to air on Israel’s Channel 2 News on Friday night.

It shows the Hamas terrorist, Ahlam Tamimi, being asked: “Do you feel sorry for what you did?”

She answers her interviewer without a trace of hesitation:. “No. Why should I feel sorry?”

The interviewer persists: “Would you do it again if you had the chance?” Her unwavering response: “Yes.”

Tamimi was reaffirming the declaration she made originally in 2006: “I do not regret what I did”, is the way she put it then.

It also should be noted that one day before the terror attack in the town of Itamar in which five members of an Israeli family were murdered in their home, state-run Palestinian TV broadcast a program honoring Ahlam Tamimi.

Here is the certificate awarded by the PA to Tamimi’s accomplice the day before the Itamar massacre:

The certificate above refers to Tamimi as “the heroic prisoner” and is decorated with photographs of Yasser Arafat and Abu Jihad, the Fatah logo, and a photograph of Tamimi.

The text, per a translation by Palestinian Media Watch, reads:

“A gift of the Fatah Palestinian National Liberation Movement
Ramallah – El-Bireh branch
To the heroic prisoner Ahlam Tamimi
As a token of esteem for your sacrifices
And your acts of heroism.”

The impending release of Tamimi is an unimaginable moral offense against the Roth family.

Moreover, the lionization of such cold-blooded terrorists by Palestinians and their supporters speaks volumes of a movement which – contrary to constant protestations on the pages of the Guardian to the contrary – has little or nothing to do with freedom, human rights, or liberalism.  

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  1. People are becomingly increasingly ignorant coupled with adopting militant positions. They only accept one sided simplistic narratives, do not search or investigate any further. Also they have certain holy cows, mantras which are exceptionally prejudiced and more often that not based on pure ignorance. For eg. Tories are bad, in a university today in the UK,Thatcher is often portrayed as a greater villain than Hitler. Illogical, stupid, diabolical I could go on. And then the Palestinian cause is trumped as if the most important issue in the world, Israel portrayed as villainous and PLO, Hamas, et al as innocent victims who need protection whilst the reality is the complete opposite. They want Israel by whatever means in totality piece by piece, it is evident to those who want to know the truth. Shame on the idiots who willingly and blindly are taken in by the propaganda. Even worse those who call themselves journalists and spread, lies propaganda, innuendos and give blanket support and endorsements to murderers and those who hate.

  2. When people believe that the law has failed them then invariably they will take the law into their own hands. In those circumstances, law and justice are replaced by assassins and lynch mobs. I believe that Israel has reached that point now.

    • I would agree. It is now up to the relatives of the victims of that massacre, to accomplish the task that the Israeli justice system has failed to, or refuses to do.

  3. No, we are a democracy and a nation of laws and, as such, we express our dissatisfaction with our political leaders at the ballot box, and NOT by taking the law into our own hands.

    • Yes, I know. And you’re quite right. But FYI, I wasn’t advocating harming any political leaders.

    • “No, we are a democracy and a nation of laws etc.”

      You are wrong. When a democracy is seen to have failed then the mob will take over. Israel’s democracy is a sick joke. The politicians are perpetually in hock to extreme interests. The political process is broken. A democratic system that consists of swapping one lot of morally bankrupt and utterly inept politicians for another is no democracy at all. A similar phenomenon, albeit for different reasons, can be seen in many other countries in the West where governments have been captured by corporate and financial interests and the vast majority of people are paying with their lives and livelihoods for the sins of a tiny minority.

    • “…we express our dissatisfaction with our political leaders at the ballot box,…”

      And we get leaders who break all their promises of coming down hard on the enemy every time.

      For my part, I don’t believe the way out of this mess is through vigilantism; I have hope that the pool of old-guard (Mesozionist) candidates, the type that value international “law” over Jewish survival, will dry up soon, and then only new-guard (Neozionist) candidates, the “Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!” type, will be left. That new leadership will finally do the will of the Israeli Jewish majority. Soon, amen.

    • Adam, I quite agree, but would you not agree that when people cannot depend upon the law to offer justice then vigilantism is more likely to result? Is there an answer and if so what is it?

      We know that Palestinian terrorists get a sick sort of thrill from taunting Israelis who are suffering or have lost family and friends because of them. You will also remember the hideous “celebration” by Hamas of Gilad Shalit’s captivity in front of a cheering crowd of thousands.

      I want Gilad Shalit freed and returned once again to his family, but I have the greatest sympathy and my heart aches for the families of those murdered in cold blood by these Islamist animals who are about to be let out of prison to continue their miserable lives, no doubt to be praised and feted for what they did. So far as the bereaved families are concerned these wretches, having been kept in luxury compared with the conditions under which Gilad Shalit has been held and at their expense, are getting away scot free.

      I believe that this action will come back to bite Israel and that more families will be put through the torture that the Shalit family has had to endure.

      Alternatively, we could always hope that some of the people who are about to be released have been turned and will cause chaos in the ranks of Hamas.

  4. @yitzhakineretzyiz, Thanks. I realize you weren’t suggesting that. I was just making a broader point based on where the thread seemed to be going.

    • That’s quite all right. I do believe that this is going to cost Bibi dearly, but like you, I hope the only consequences come from the electorate on voting day.

      • agreed. I know some ardent Bibi supporters who are furious with him over the deal and claim they are now considering voting for another party in the next election.

        • “know some ardent Bibi supporters who are furious with him over the deal and claim they are now considering voting for another party in the next election”


    • “I was just making a broader point based on where the thread seemed to be going.”

      That is purely in your own imagination. He was referring to the harming of terrorists and not politicians and so was I.

  5. “either way, Israelis “taking the law into their own hands” is NOT an option. Agree?”

    I suggest you read again what I have already written above.

  6. Hoi,

    Bottom line: the Israeli government, Knesset, courts, and other democratic levers of gov’t (in conjunction with the IDF and related security services who answer to the former) are the sole arbiters of what military force can and will be used to protect the nation’s interests.

    I’m glad I’m a citizen of a country where such democratic checks, against the potential threat posed by unrestrained public passions, are universally respected.

    It’s one of the many, many attributes which morally distinguishes us from our enemies.

    • Adam Levick,

      The Israeli government, Knesset, courts and all the rest are indeed the arbiters. Unfortunately, they’re all wrong. Blinded by their misplaced belief in accords, agreements, treaties and other items of gentlemanliness that our enemies use cynically and truly value as trash.

      The Israeli Jewish public aren’t those who suffer from being ruled by passion; the leadership is, though they disguise it with the rational mask of “pragmatism.” The leadership still dares to talk of land concessions; the fact is, after getting nothing but Kassam rockets for the total evacuation and ethnic cleansing of the Gaza region in August 2005, any such talk amounts to nothing but insanity. The people are the sane ones, while it is the leaders and mainstream media chatterers who are mired in the idea that trying the same thing again and again could lead to different results.

      “It’s one of the many, many attributes which morally distinguishes us from our enemies.”

      Agreed. However, democracy is not a suicide pact, and one must beware lest this “We’re Better Than Them” philosophy end up inscribed on his epitaph. No society can afford to be gentlemanly in the face of such enemies as we have.

      • I tell myself that just as sometimes, a court verdict leaves the public perplexed due to apparent ‘leniency’ or ‘severity’, we, the public don’t have all the facts.

        I recall Bibi from when he was first PM. Unless he has had a massive change of heart, I can only imagine that there’s some stuff going on here to which we’re not privy.

        • yitzhak,

          I’m not going to trust human beings the same way I’m supposed to trust God. It doesn’t matter how many facts we’re not privy to, Ariel Sharon’s destruction of the Jewish population centers in Gaza was wrong, and so would any such action be if carried out by Bibi.

          In the hard sciences, one must defer to the experts; in soft areas of knowledge such as economics, psychology and politics, the man in the street and the executive on the managerial seat are intrinsically on the same level, for these are areas of knowledge much more shaped by having the right opinions than by having the right facts. Our political leaders have the same facts we have, but their opinions are wrong.

      • ziontruth, well-written. It’s taken me a long time, in spite of the evidence before me of the barbarism of Islam, to come the conclusions you have.

        Islam is not pluralistic, it is not mutualistic, it gobbles up weaker entities than it. It is not founded upon brotherly love and inclusiveness and tenderness but on violence and the devil take the hindmost.

        Therefore trying to apprehend and deal with it from within a civilised western frame of reference is doomed to failure, as we have seen again and again, and are about to witness once more.

        Mitnaged wrote here once about a form of psychological hostility to reality in which people repeat the same, wrong, behaviours again and again in the vain hope that the next time things will turn out differently. It’s stupid, and in your terms suicidal, to engage in such behaviour vis a vis Islam.

        • Yohoho,

          I wasn’t born with those conclusions. In fact, I can say I had finalized them only by 2006, following the Danish Cartoon Riots.

          For most of my life I’d thought of Islam as a religion with a few political crazies. It took me a long time to realize that the political part of Islam is inseparable from the rest of the religion. Islam’s political program is comparable to that of its present-day ally, Marxism, and that is no more an anachronism than would be the comparison between Ancient Sparta and Nazi Germany.

    • “Bottom line etc.”

      You seem not to be able to understand the difference between “should” and “will”. It doesn’t matter one jot or tittle what you or I think should be the case if other people do not.

      Incidentally, law and justice have both failed here. Thus, for example, Israeli Arabs with blood on their hands have been released. In the light of this, I see no good reason why Jewish terrorists should not now also be released. Are not Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs equal citizens with equal rights?

      When the British government released IRA terrorists, that organisation had already agreed to abandon violence and lay down its arms. In that case, murderers in exchange for peace was an excellent idea and for the most part has proved its worth over time. But the Israeli government has not done this. What it has done is to exchange many unrepentant murderers, murderers who will do tomorrow what they did yesterday given half a chance, for one man. It is the kind of thing you would expect from a government thrown up by a bankrupt political system.

      The Sbarro victims have been betrayed twice over. Once when their nation failed to protect them and now when that same nation has decided to spit on their graves. One really does have to ask oneself whether a nation that will not defend itself is worth defending. I read recently that the remaining members of the Schijveschuurder family will now be returning to Holland. I can’t say I blame them. Others, driven by a sense of despair at this betrayal, might well act differently. As my family have not been murdered by unrepentant terrorists, I will not stand in judgement on these people. I will stand in judgement on the politicians who have allowed this to happen.

      Should lynch mobs and assassins be encouraged. No, naturally not. Once you go down that road both innocent and guilty will burn in the conflagration that will ensue. On the other hand, such a breakdown in law and order is a natural consequence of the Israeli government’s recent actions.


      About the Schijveschuurder family

      How can I sing
      My world is laid waste.
      How can I play with wringed hands?
      Where are my dead?
      O God, I seek them in every dunghill,
      In every heap of ashes
      O tell me where you are.

      Scream from every sand dune, from under every stone,
      Scream from the dust and fire and smoke
      It is your blood, your sap, the marrow of your bones,
      It is your flesh and blood!
      Scream, scream aloud!

      From The Song of the Murdered Jewish people by Itzhak Katzenelson

    • Adam, I am with you on this. Whilst i agree with Hoi’s general observations about how democracy exhibits weakness, he and others do not (and I would add cannot )offer a better alternative to it – reforming it perhaps, but not eliminating it.

      The Gilad Shalit exchange divides many, but let us not forget that the issue emanates from a society that is anything but democratic.

      • “he and others do not (and I would add cannot )offer a better alternative to it”

        For the very greatest part, I have merely being talking about what might well happen when law and justice are perceived to have broken down. I have also posited the major reason for that breakdown. I have never once suggested that democracy should be abandoned, but merely said that Israel’s current version is morally bankrupt. I’ll let Melanie Phillips pick up the story:

        “The violence by Jewish religious extremists will only be curbed when their patrons in politics no longer wield such disproportionate power in political life by holding successive Israeli Prime Ministers to ransom through Israel’s dysfunctional system of institutionalised coalition government. And that ludicrous and self-destructive political system – responsible not only for paralysing Israeli Prime Ministers, empowering religious extremists and widening social divisions but also for the country’s endemic and shocking corruption — will only be ended if an Israeli statesman emerges committed to root-and-branch electoral reform.”

        Unfortunately, I don’t believe there is a snowball’s chance in hell that any Israeli statesman, at least in the present circumstances, will emerge with such a commitment. Reform will only occur as a result of a grave social or economic crisis or a revolution or military coup. I also talk above about a general crisis in the democratic process in the West, as follows:

        “A similar phenomenon, albeit for different reasons, can be seen in many other countries in the West where governments have been captured by corporate and financial interests and the vast majority of people are paying with their lives and livelihoods for the sins of a tiny minority.”

        Once again, in the absence of crisis or revolution any kind of radical change will not occur. Is this what I desire? Above, I write:

        “Should lynch mobs and assassins be encouraged. No, naturally not. Once you go down that road both innocent and guilty will burn in the conflagration that will ensue.”

        I don’t think I can spell out my views more clearly.


        The murderous vacuum in the Middle East by Melanie Phillips

  7. I can certainly understand why someone would want to waste an evil bitch like Tamimi.

    However, the best way to punish the terrorists is to let them see Israel grow as a nation, economically and socially, contributing to the world in science, art and music, while their enemies continue to live little hate-filled lives, wondering whether Allah is all he’s cracked up to be, as the Jews continue to prosper and develop.

    • Well, yes Andy, but in the real world how is Israel actually to defend her citizenry against the upshot of this ludicrous and dangerous decision?

      I believe that Yohoho is absolutely correct in his/her argument that one cannot (dare not?) apprehend these animals and deal with them from within a western viewpoint – which, apart from being utterly misconceived, would by default accord them far more respect than they could ever deserve and feed their voracious appetite for power.

      When kindness and respect is perceived as weakness to be exploited violently then there can be no common ground. Rabbi Shalom Lewis’ excellent Rosh Hashanna sermon put it exactly. It is aimed at his American congregation and about the government, but it applies to the Israeli government too:

      “…We are at war. We are at war with an enemy as savage, as voracious, as heartless as the Nazis but one wouldn’t know it from our behavior. During WWII we didn’t refer to storm troopers as freedom fighters. We didn’t call the Gestapo, militants. We didn’t see the attacks on our Merchant Marine as acts by rogue sailors. We did not justify the Nazis rise to power as our fault. We did not grovel before the Nazis, thumping our hearts and confessing to abusing and mistreating and humiliating the German people. We did not apologize for Dresden, nor for The Battle of the Bulge, nor for El Alamein, nor for D-Day.

      “Evil – ultimate, irreconcilable, evil threatened us and Roosevelt and Churchill had moral clarity and an exquisite understanding of what was at stake. It was not just the Sudetenland, not just Tubruk, not just Vienna, not just Casablanca. It was the entire planet. Read history and be shocked at how frighteningly close Hitler came to creating a Pax Germana on every continent.

      “Not all Germans were Nazis – most were decent, most were revolted by the Third Reich, most were good citizens hoisting a beer, earning a living and tucking in their children at night. But, too many looked away, too many cried out in lame defense – I didn’t know.” Too many were silent. Guilt absolutely falls upon those who committed the atrocities, but responsibility and guilt falls upon those who did nothing as well. Fault was not just with the goose steppers but with those who pulled the curtains shut, said and did nothing….

      “We are at war‚ yet too many stubbornly and foolishly don’t put the pieces together and refuse to identify the evil doers. We are circumspect and disgracefully politically correct.

      “Let me mince no words in saying that from Fort Hood to Bali, from Times Square to London, from Madrid to Mumbai, from 9/11 to Gaza, the murderers, the barbarians are radical Islamists.

      “To camouflage their identity is sedition. To excuse their deeds is contemptible. To mask their intentions is unconscionable….

      “Today the enemy is radical Islam but it must be said sadly and reluctantly that there are unwitting, co-conspirators who strengthen the hands of the evil doers. Let me state that the overwhelming number of Muslims are good Muslims, fine human beings who want nothing more than a Jeep Cherokee in their driveway, a flat screen TV on their wall and a good education for their children, but these good Muslims have an obligation to destiny, to decency that thus far for the most part they have avoided. The Kulturkampf is not only external but internal as well. The good Muslims must sponsor rallies in Times Square, in Trafalgar Square, in the UN Plaza, on the Champs Elysee, in Mecca condemning terrorism, denouncing unequivocally the slaughter of the innocent. Thus far, they have not. The good Muslims must place ads in the NY Times. They must buy time on network TV, on cable stations, in the Jerusalem Post, in Le Monde, in Al Watan, on Al Jazeera condemning terrorism, denouncing unequivocally the slaughter of the innocent – thus far, they have not. Their silence allows the vicious to tarnish Islam and define it.

      “Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil…

      “How do we convince the world and many of our own that conciliation is not an option, that compromise is not a choice?

      “Everything we are. Everything we believe. Everything we treasure, is at risk.

      “The threat is so unbelievably clear and the enemy so unbelievably ruthless how anyone in their right mind doesn’t get it is baffling. Let’s try an analogy. If someone contracted a life-threatening infection and we not only scolded them for using antibiotics but insisted that the bacteria had a right to infect their body and that perhaps, if we gave the invading infection an arm and a few toes, the bacteria would be satisfied and stop spreading emphasis added

      “Anyone buy that medical advice? Well, folks, that’s our approach to the radical Islamist bacteria. It is amoral, has no conscience and will spread unless it is eradicated. – There is no negotiating. Appeasement is death…”


  8. Also, anything to do with the great Jewish terrorists of lore like the Irgun and Lehi, yes, because this certificate or trinket or whatever it is is comparable to say, the Irgun or Lehi ribbon and not quite as far a step as electing terrorists like Yitzhak Shamir to the nation’s highest office.

    But the little traitors that run this blog, and the readership, that is the sub-Lilliputian midgets who think they grow in stature given the pseudo-anonymity afforded to them by this platform for nonsense, certainly gives those events short-shrift. But as for normal service, it seems anything, cdiffwatch can use to bash the Palestinians or the majority support they enjoy from the British public…well nothing can get in the way of that.

    • Hatherstoned, As a test of your intellect and honesty, which group of terrorists are responsible for events such as…

      – 7/7/05 bus and underground bombings
      – Sniper murder of police officer Yvonne Fletcher
      – the cursing and spitting on of returning British soldiers in Luton
      – the celebration of the 9/11 sneak attack, characterizing the terrorists as “the magnificent 19”
      – the WMD poison gassing murder of 5,000 Kurds of Halabja Iraq
      – the destruction of the two 1,500 year old Buddahs of Bamiyan Afghanistan
      – the bombing of Pan Am 103
      – the “compassionate” release of the “dying’ convicted bomber of Pan Am 103

      Shall I go on Hatherstoned?

      And which group of imperialists were disappointed in 1947 that after their retreat from nascent modern Israel that the Jews were not decimated by five invading Arab armies as their brethren in WW2 national Socialist infested europe were?

      Happy Nakba M Hatherstoned!

  9. Mr Hatherstone, leaving one side most of your rant.
    You write; “the Palestinians or the majority support they enjoy from the British public”
    If you live in Britain, as I do, you will know that the Palestinians may enjoy support from the media and politicians but as far as the majority of the British public are concerned you are wrong.
    The majority are not concerned and do not express an opinion about Palestinians.
    However if you asked the majority of the British public how they would deal with the many terrorist atrocities carried out against Israel, I firmly believe they would overwhelmingly support Israel.
    It is a sad indictment of our media, and a lot of our politicians, that they display such a myopic picture and attitude towards Israel and its constant struggle for survival.