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  1. Majestic! brought tears to my eyes…thinking why would anyone want to destroy such a beautiful part of G-d’s creation? Israel is my first love.

  2. Gorgeous, Israelinurse. Duvidl is off on holiday to the Galil the week after next. He will soak up the wonderful atmosphere of the ancient town of Tiberius (Having taken the scenic 560 bus from Jerusalem’s new central bus station.) He will then cross over to the other side of the lake to dine at the wonderful fish restaurant at Kibbutz Ein Gev, where he picked oranges (or was it bananas) as a volunteer in the 1970s. He will enjoy again the taste of St. Peter’s fish, sun-bathe on the beach and reminisce about a summer romance with a beautiful French Canadian fellow volunteer, which began by moonlight on a jetty jutting into the Kinneret. There he sang to her, with a guitar, the evocative famous chalutzic song, “Al Sfat Yam Kinneret”, (On the Banks of the Kinneret.)

    There is more; much more. Try it for yourselves. Israeli tourism is flourishing and always will do, thanks, in no small part, to the continuing efforts of Sabras.

    • Duvid – there’s a super new restaurant at the port in Ein Gev called Marinado. It’s Kosher, and all the meat is raised locally in the Golan; well worth a try.
      Might I also suggest a walk up to the Sussita mountain just above Ein Gev. The archaeological digs there have recently uncovered some amazing discoveries including a gorgeous little odeon overlooking the lake.
      And if you fancy coffee, you can ask Chas for my e-mail.

      • Many thanks, Israelinurse. Will do. Hope to have the pleasure of meeting you next month.

  3. Sorry to break up the party, I know you are all having fun here, but I’m unaware of any other country that recognizes the Golan as part of Israel. You’re on your own here folks and the rest of us are not fooled.

    • Well, one thing you can’t say about anti-Zionists is that they disappoint. Upon seeing the post title, I was expecting at least one comment to appear cutting down on the Jewish State’s already meager slice of land, and there it is.

      “…but I’m unaware of…”

      That about sums it. See no Jewish right to the Land of Israel, hear no Jewish right to the Land of Israel, speak no Jewish right to the Land of Israel. That’s the Jew-hatred behind anti-Zionism in a nutshell, and what anti-Zionists are someday going to pay for.

      “You’re on your own here…”

      Thank God. Baruch HaShem who has given us Israeli Jews independent minds to avoid going, like lemmings, off a cliff just because the rest of the world has chosen to do so.

      Thank you, CiFWatch, for that beautiful photo. Everyone remember also: Under Muslim mismanagement, as in the 1880s when the first renewers of Jewish nationalism came to the Land of Israel, this photo wouldn’t be possible even if color photography were available; then there was, as has become of the Gaza greenhouses following their relinquishing to the Arab colonists in August 2005, nothing but sand, sand, sand, a shrub here and there and more sand—not this greenery and flowers as in the photo here.

      Because the painful truth is this: The only nation that truly loves the Land of Israel is the Jewish nation, while the Arabs only pretend to care to love it when the prospect of absolutely controlling it is no longer self-evident. The miser sitting on a pile of gold, letting it gather dust.

      • ziontruth said:

        “The only nation that truly loves the Land of Israel is the Jewish nation, while the Arabs only pretend to care to love it when the prospect of absolutely controlling it is no longer self-evident. ”

        Sound familiar? The story of King Solomon and the two women who said that they were the mother of the infant?

        One greedily accepting the proposed solution of cutting the child in half, and the other, horrified by the prospect of the death of the child.

        Wise King Solomon determined who was the REAL mother.

      • To the Mods: guys, I’m being accused of Jew hatred by ziontruth. Not only am I offended, but my Jewish Israeli friends would be offended. Surely that can’t be allowed to remain?

        • “…I’m being accused of Jew hatred by ziontruth.”

          There’s an easy way to ward off those accusations: Stop spouting anti-Zionist talking points.

          “Not only am I offended,…”

          And I’m offended by you saying that parts of the Land of Israel are not legally within the right of the Jewish nation to hold.

          “…but my Jewish Israeli friends would be offended.”

          Let them come here and speak for themselves. Surely they can, can’t they? Assuming they exist, of course…

          “Surely that can’t be allowed to remain?”

          As opposed to anti-Zionist talking points on a pro-Israel site, yeah?

    • “Moreover, ‘the world’ can’t have opinions, only persons can (using doc debutante’s literalistic trick).”

      Ooh, that was good! If there’s a tactic I’m an absolute sucker for, it’s using your enemies’ weapons against them!

    • Actually, Stuart, you are fooled if you think Israel has no right to the Golan Heights. Fooled by the Assad clan. Lovely people, no doubt, who have massacred their own in the name of keeping any false narrative alive.

      As for being on our own…. This has been happening for roughly 3000 years.

      The one in need of a reality check is the fellow denying reality.

      • 🙂 Maybe. If “the world” said that drinking camel piss is good for health then the Stew Whiney´s would immediatly comply.

            • You mean this bit: “Even so, it is still ours. We have a rightful claim to it, far more legitimate than Bashar Asad has. Our rights are documented in the
              Bible itself”?

              It had me laughing out loud, if that’s what you mean! So thanks for the giggle.

          • No. In fact, I’m one of those who, long long ago (make that the 1990s), believed Israel could manage quite well even within its 1949–67 borders. However, over the years, the realization that Israel’s enemies want to steal everything the Jews have built here, including the pre-1967 lands, made an expansionist out of me.

            Currently, I hold Israel to be in rightful possession of the pre-1967 lands, Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan Heights. I don’t think Israel should take anything beyond that, even within the Biblical Land of Israel, but as with my change from the 1990s, I hold that any further aggression of the Arab imperialists toward Israel should be answered by taking further lands from them.

            The more it is said Israel should reduce its borders, the more of an expansionist I become. I suspect I’m not alone in my country thinking that way.

          • My Israel used to include the land of Jordan which was taken away in order to appease an Arab populace that was not too happy about the impending birth of the Jewish state. And I do believe that part of what should have been Israel was given an Iraqi family to authoritatively control over the past 3 generations. I think it was your monarchy that allowed this to happen in a very divide-and-conquer sort of way.

            • My Israel used to include the land of Jordan which was taken away …

              Bizarre! You mean the old Israel included what is now Jordan??

              And I do believe that part of what should have been Israel was given an Iraqi family to authoritatively control over the past 3 generations.

              Again, you’ve been reading some very funny history books!

              • “You mean the old Israel included what is now Jordan??”

                Read up on the British Mandate of Palestine sometime, especially the bit about Churchill’s decision to tear up about 75% of the future Jewish homeland (as stated in the Balfour Declaration) to give to a Bedouin monarch. That was Transjordan, now named the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

                “Again, you’ve been reading some very funny history books!”

                The history books record that the Bedouin Hashemite family was given by the British two kingdoms as reward for their part in the revolt against the Ottomans: Iraq, where the Hashemite family ruled until the revolution and regicide of 1958, and Transjordan, now Jordan, where another branch of the same family still rules.

    • Fabian – I can’t recommend a tzimmer but I love Kibbutz Ein Gev and have stayed there twice so would happily recommend it.

      It’s slap bang on the shore of the Kinneret, quite peaceful and close to the main body of the kibbutz where the fish restaurant Duvidl mentions is sited. As is the meat restaurant.

      Sitting outside our little bungalow at Ein Gev….warm night…clear skies, many stars, the lights of Tiberius twinkling on the far shore…replete with St Peter’s fish….Goldstar in hand….the occasional howling of hyenas up in the Golan …..bliss!

  4. Well, Good Night: you are welcome to try and capture it from us.

    Syria got the Golan Heights from the French in 1946, and kept it until 1967 (21 years). It mainly used the are to fire artillery against Israeli civilians below.

    Israel rules the area already for 44 years and has never been aggressive towards Syrians from there. Who does the Golan Heights belong to, again? Yes, that’s right, Israel.

  5. Dear Moistly pot

    To use your own words on the thread about Arab child abuse, “what a perfect example of whataboutery”

    Yours

    Kettle

  6. But Fabien, the world doesn’t agree with you. In late 2011, the UN General Asssembly voted 162 to 7 that the Israeli annexation of the Golan was illegal. So that’s 96% of the world voting against you. By the way the 7 were the four tiny, tiny Pacific states who always vote for Israel plus Canada, Israel and the US. And probably Canada and the USA wouldn’t agree that the annexation was legal. So, discounting Palau etc,(total of their populations some 20% of Tel Aviv) you haven’t actually convinced anybody. Wow! it’s not often world opinion is unanimous.

    • Stuart as I would like to read the debate and Resolution in full would you give the number of the Resolution of the General Assembly and the date of the meeting in 2011 at which it was passed.

    • Stuart – it might be an idea for you to look at some of the seats/positions held by nations that, in a normal non-hypocritical world, should be the subject of the committees they are on (eg Saudi Arabia – Womens’ rights etc)

      Also worth noting is that it was at this august body that the proposition ‘Zionism is Racism’ found its way onto the agenda – put forward by non other than that well-known human right’s activist, Idi Amin

      Whilst genocide was occurring in Cambodia, the UN chose instead to focus on settlements in Israel.

      Really, Stuart, the UN is no longer what it set out to be.

      • Hi Penny and thanks for your civil comments. My own view is that it depends which part of the UN we are discussing. Sadly, the UN Human Rights Council has picked up where its predecessor left off and is doing a very poor job highlighting human rights abuse in a host of countries. And, yes, the fact that there are far more critical motions against Israel than China, Cuba, Belarus, Uzbekistan combined is a disgrace. Few international HR organisations take it seriously.

        Other parts like the UN HR Commissioner command more respect.

        But the General Assembly is the various member states voting for their own beliefs, concerns and interests. And the fact Israel, despite its massive publicity campaigning, commands so few votes in semi-support of the occcupation surely should ring some alarm bells?

        I am concerned that Israel will become more and more isolated, as the country has so much to offer in culture, the sciences and elsewhere. As Rami Be’er, Artistic Director of the Kibbutz Dance Company told me when we spoke at a festival in Poland, “the Occupation is a catastrophe for Israel.”

        • “But the General Assembly is the various member states voting for their own beliefs, concerns and interests.”

          If so, then its voting patterns reflects the fact that most states of the world are nothing but Islamic cesspools or non-Islamic appeasing stooges of those. The best (or should I say worst) example of the perils of unrestricted majority opinion not held by any checks or balances.

          “I am concerned that Israel will become more and more isolated,…”

          Then you should be concerned about the Islamization of world politics. Israel’s isolation is being caused by enemy activity, not by Israel’s actions.

          “As Rami Be’er, Artistic Director of the Kibbutz Dance Company told me…”

          One opinion. One of Israel’s dwindling remainder of stubborn believers in land concessions. One opinion, and most unrepresentative of man in the Israeli Jewish street.

          • Stuart – if Israel has a massive publicity campaign then I’ve yet to see it. In fact – and with all due respect to Israelis visiting this site – in my opinion it is an area the Israeli government have neglected for far too long. The British public only know one side of this story and it isn’t Israel’s!

            As for the GA and the UN in general – yes, its voting habits certainly do ring alarm bells, but not because I believe its members are acting according to their integrity vis a vis Israel. Quite the reverse, in fact: it seems to me that they are dancing to an old and very ugly tune. Something is very badly wrong and the treatment of Israel should be a warning that we ignore at our peril.

            There isn’t space or time to elaborate on this warning but, if you are open to auditing your perceptions, you might consider looking at the work of ‘Friends of Israel’, an organisation that simply seeks to normalise the discussion. It is headed by a former Prime Minister of Spain, Jose Maria Aznar, and its members include (or included) David Trimble, the historian, Andrew Roberts. the late Vaclav Havel,
            and others who outline the case well – and with grave concern.

            http://www.friendsofisraelinitiative.org/index.php

              • Thanks Ariadne 🙂

                Some of them have internalised their ’cause’ to the extent that even if the wall fell down in one huge lump of rubble, they’d still insist it was standing.

                Israel is our own canary in the mine. Martin Amis, on seeing middle-class demonstrators holding aloft placards bearing the ‘We’re all Hizbollah Now’ legend wrote:

                “”Well, make the most of being Hizbollah while you can. As its leader, Hasan Nasrallah, famously advised the West: ‘We don’t want anything from you. We just want to eliminate you.’”

                Answering a question about the most depressing thing about returning to Britain, Amis replied:

                “People of liberal sympathies, stupefied by relativism, have become the apologists for a creedal wave that is racist, misogynist, homophobic, imperialist, and genocidal. To put it another way, they are up the arse of those that want them dead”

                I can’t think of a better way to put it than “up the arse of those who want them dead”

          • ziontruth

            This should be carved in stone until the far-off day when human beings improve:

            Israel’s isolation is being caused by enemy activity, not by Israel’s actions.

            • And the ones who are in most need of seeing and internalizing that message are none other than Israel’s leaders. From 1993 onward, Israel’s policy blunders can be traced to that source, to the mistaken belief that it is within Israel’s capability to improve its standing. Actually I partly believe it is, but not through concessions as the appeasers believe.

  7. Well, I prefer to think that we won it in a fair fight from a genocidal enemy. But I can understand that you prefer to see some benefit in giving what is not yours to someone else, and then find the appropiate wording to make it seem like justice.

    So for you, might is right.
    For me: sorry, you had to think it better before attacking us.

  8. “For me: sorry, you had to think it better before attacking us.”

    Fabian, there’s absolutely no question you have the might. The problem is that the rest of the world doesn’t think you have the right.

    • Yes, Israel has the might.

      This may come as a surprise to you Stuart, but the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 national Socialist Europe.

      Meanwhile Europe is dying once again, due to Socialism.

      Happy Nakba Stewart Sweeney!!

      • To the Moderators: I see you delete comments which are ad hominem, that is “…an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made..” (Merriam Webster).

        I submit that both the first and third sentences from the post above by “Thank God I’m an Infidel” (January 24, 2012 at 12:13 pm) come into that category. I await your ruling.

    • To the Moderators: I see you delete comments which are ad hominem, that is “…an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made..” (Merriam Webster).

      I submit that all of this post by SerJew (January 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm) pm) clearly comes into that category. I await your ruling.

      • I’d add TGIAI’s references to the Nakhba are pretty vulgar, any chance of deleting these?

        • It must ever grate on the nerves of Mostly Hamas to be reminded of the Nakba, the Catastrophe in which the attempt of the Arab settlers in Palestine plus five invading Arab armies to slaughter all the Jews in Palestine was foiled.

          Seethe all you want at TGIAI’s sheer akbarness, your pro-Arab colonist indignation won’t change a thing.

            • Oh, not again, Pretzelberg! Not again with you reacting to a long-held point made by a poster as if he had only just made it for the first time.

              This point about the Jews being the indigenous Palestinians vs. the Arabs being settler-colonist invaders in Palestine may well be my signature argument, here and elsewhere, an argument I’ve made since first posting on CiFWatch (and, again, on other forums). What the heck are you complaining about it so late in the game?

        • mostly brainless, Are you referring to the “Nakhba”, the 1948 failure of 5 Arab armies to annihilate the Jews of Israel, just 3 years after the end of WW2 and the Holocaust?

          Happy Nakba mostly shameless and may you and your pals personally know Eternal Nakba and continue killing each other out of frustration!

        • mostly hamas ™ ®
          (©Thank God I’m an Infidel)

          They are “vulgar” only because they remind people that Arabs caused the “Nakba”.

      • To the Mods: thanks for deleting the post by SerJew mentioned above. your site looks much better without it.

    • The rest of the world tolerates and supports or tolerated and supported::

      the genocide in Yugoslavia
      the genocide in Sudan
      the genocide in Congo

      and these only a few examples about the “rest of the world”.

      A pity that I don’t have more time to give a whatever about their laughable hypocrysy.

  9. Oh come on Peter! There was worldwide outcry against all of these and in the first direct intervention was made, albeit late in the day, and great pressure was applied in the second. Russia supported the Serbs, but no one else as far as I am aware.

    Do you think there should be a major intervention in Israel / Palestine like the one in Yugoslavia, just to be even handed?

    • Stuart at my post, above, January 24, 2012 at 8.34 am
      I asked you for the reference number of the General Assembly Resolution, and the date in 2011 it was passed, that you mentioned.

      Are you now able to provide the information requested?

      • And the court demands that Stew to bring “the world” for us to hear his (or her?) opinion as an expert testimony on the Middle East.

    • I’d like to see international peace keeping troops placed in Lebanon to rout hezbullah and liberate Lebanon and troops placed in Syria to rout the assad gang, international troops to destroy al qada, international troops to end the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran and restore democracy.

      How about you?

      P.S. Happy Nakba Stuart Sweeney!

    • There was worldwide outcry against all of these and in the first direct intervention was made, albeit late in the day, and great pressure was applied in the second.

      Outcry? You must be joking. These outcries helped the victims of these genocides as a hot kiss helps a dead.. BTW the rest of the world: has very moral members like North Korea, Burma, Cuba, the Serb supporter Russia, Saud-Arabia, Iran, the Islamofascist Somalia etc.etc.

      So as I understand you prefer the Golan under the benign leadership of the mass-murderer Assad.

      You have no idea the total of my and my fellow Israelis’ indifference regarding the opinion of the “rest of the world”.

      Sorry to break up the party, I know you are all having fun here…

      Your heroic efforts have been wasted – the party is continuing – everybody but the sad whining losers like yourself have a lot of fun.

    • Stuart: what is this bullshit about “the rest of the world”?

      Countries have interests, yes or no? Well, the “rest of the world”‘s interest is Arab oil. In 20 or 30 years this oil will not be as important as it is today for the world’s economy. Or it will be exhausted. And then, the “rest of the world” will give a rat’s ass if the Golan is Israeli or Syrian.

  10. Stuart while I am still waiting for you to answer my question about the Resolution of the UNGA you mentioned.

    Can I ask you if this is your Facebook page?

    http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Stuart-Sweeney/597552466

    Interesting that if it is you that under ‘Activities and Interests’ you list
    “Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre don’t entertain Apartheid Appeasers Habima”

    By the way if you are still unable to answer my original question about the UNGA Resolution you mentioned I’ll be forced to draw the inevitable conclusion that it does not exist.

    • Hi Gerald and thanks for the civil tone – appreciated. I picked up your messages on my return from an afternoon and evening out.

      Re. the General Assembly, the motion I mentioned above was a composite covering all the Occupied Territories including the Golan of course and is A/RES/66/78.

      However, there is also a motion specifically about the illegality of the continued occupation of the Golan and that is A/RES/66/80. And the voting on that was a thumping 162 for 1 against, so not even the US and the Pacific Island states could bring themselves to vote against it.

      Yes, it is my Facebook page and the “Interests” does call up all the groups you have joined. And yes, as Habima have performed in the theatre in the illegal settlement of Ariel, I oppose them coming to perform in London and will be out on the streets leafleting beforehand. Interestingly, my last theatre visit which was disrupted by a demonstration was a visit of the Georgian State Dance Company disrupted by a Jewish group supporting the emigration of Jews from the USSR. A cause I certainly supported, except I wanted it for dissident Baptists and others as well.

      You might be interested to see my comments about the Ariel Cultural Centre on their own Facebook page:

      http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=155266547823796

      For the record I regularly see Israeli dance groups as the performers usually feel as strongly as me or more so regarding the illegal settlements.

      Good to debate with you, Gerald.

      • Stuart thank you for your reply and the information.

        The resolution you mention that is specifically about the Golan typifies why the UN brings itself into disrepute. (A/RES/66/80)
        It is from, and I quote, “Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and Other Arabs of the Occupied Territories.” The name of the Committee answers the question before it is asked.

        Then look at the list of countries behind the Resolution,
        “Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bolivia (Plurinational State of), Brunei Darussalam, Comoros, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Djibouti, Egypt, Guinea, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Malaysia, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Namibia, Nicaragua, Oman, Qatar, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of), Yemen and Palestine: draft resolution”

        I am sure you will agree Stuart that there are a number of countries there that no one in their right mind would associate with the term human rights. To use an analogy it is the same as attending a trial and finding the jury has been picked from inmates in Broadmoor Hospital who are serving life imprisonment.

      • Interestingly, my last theatre visit which was disrupted by a demonstration was a visit of the Georgian State Dance Company disrupted by a Jewish group supporting the emigration of Jews from the USSR

        Back in 1973, right? And you just happened to be at that concert by a pretty obscure company?
        Hmmm …

  11. The Kinneret (Sea of Galilee) has risen considerably
    also aka, of course, Lake Tiberias and Lake of Gennesaret. A pretty impressive array of names for such a small body of water.

    A shame the Dead Sea is shrinking year by year. I love that place – the only sea I didn’t sink in!
    😉