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1,365 CiF readers agree: Circumcision represents Jews’ belief in their right to ‘mutilate baby boys’


Catherine Bennett’s ‘Comment is Free’ essay (“Circumcision is an affront to decent human behavior“, July 22)  was certainly not an exercise in subtlety, nor a morally nuanced polemical meditation.

Bennett’s attack on those favoring circumcision, who she ever so wittily characterized as having “an aversion to foreskins”, included a comparison of the custom to other “ritual crimes against children, including facial scarring and forced marriage”.

She also compared the “barbaric” act against boys to female genital mutilation.

Bennett’s commentary elicited an extremely large volume of comments beneath the line, including this one blasting the Jews’ “self-appointed right to the mutilation of baby boys”, which garnered 1,365 Recommends from fellow CiF readers.

Yes, kudos to Germany for refusing to be silenced, and finally summoning the courage to once again stand up to the powerful Jewish pro-circumcision lobby!

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  1. Yes, kudos to Germany for refusing to be silenced, and finally summoning the courage to once again stand up to the powerful Jewish pro-circumcision lobby!

    Let’s be fair. It is not Germany today, it is the British educated classes supported by the “world’s leading liberal voice” and some assorted “peace activists” like Haughton, Benyamin, sanity, sencar and co.

  2. Don’t believe the figure 1,365 recommends.

    It’s ridiculously easy for a single individual to rack up huge numbers of recommends on a Cif post. The Cif recommendation system is as untrustworthy as the journalism.

    • Andy I think they use the same system as is/was reputedly used by the Australian Aborigines 1, 2, 3, 4, plenty.

  3. It’s really interesting that the post in question (and most of Bennet’s article) frames circumcision as a Jewish custom.

    They don’t seem to have realized that Muslim circumcisions outnumber Jewish circumcisions by a factor of some hundreds I would guess.

    When the Muslims finally wake up to the Guardian’s anti-circumcision campaign, I hope for once they will react in their customary way. That will make Rusbridger’s eyes water. In fact I’m thinking of bringing the Bennett’s article to the attention of a few Muslim organizations.

    • ’s really interesting that the post in question (and most of Bennet’s article) frames circumcision as a Jewish custom.

      Bennet’s article does no such thing.

    • When the Muslims finally wake up to the Guardian’s anti-circumcision campaign, I hope for once they will react in their customary way.

      Nice bit of hate speech there. Not that most CiFW posters mind at all.

  4. Jews lack compassion. That’s a really new line amongst anti-semites.
    I don’t see peterthehungarian’s case for saying it’s not Germany today. I very much doubt if a British lower court would have had a judge coming out with the verdict passed by the German judge, and even if he/she had, I rather doubt that a number of English hospitals would have responded promptly to the verdict by banning circumcisions.

    Actually the judgement was in relation to a botched medical operation on a Muslim child, Interesting to see the extent to which it’s now being focused on this foundation rite of Jewish religious practice as an indicator of underlying Jewish character and criminality towards children (lacking in basic human decency ‘r’ us Jews), and how opposition to circumcision is selected as an indicator of basic human decency by that universally acclaimed authority on and arbiter of human decency, Catherine Bennett. I’m sure Ms Bennett would not wish to be seen to proclaim that Muslims were lacking in basic human decency. Oh, and by the way, she’s the partner of another smug self-appointed arbiter of moral rectitude, John Humphrys.

    • Interesting to see the extent to which it’s now being focused on this foundation rite of Jewish religious practice as an indicator of underlying Jewish character and criminality towards children

      You are making generalisations based on one single comment where you are reading something into the post that simply isn’t there.

      I’m sure Ms Bennett would not wish to be seen to proclaim that Muslims were lacking in basic human decency.

      This is just crazy. Where does Bennett – as you seem to suggest – proclaim that Jews are lacking in basic human decency????

  5. 1,365 CiF readers agree: Circumcision represents Jews’ belief in their right to ‘mutilate baby boys’

    A ridiculous line. Most of those agreeing will just have been against circumcision for religious reasons in general – which is a perfectly valid point.
    (I say that even though I find Menoetius’ comment pretty awful)

    This was also clear in the BTL responses to the Giles Fraser piece – contrary to this website’s silly headline acusing all those against of referring to “Jewish mutilation”.

    • But Pretz. When you “recommend” posts on CiF, you choose which ones to recommend. I recommend many comments there (and here, incidentally), but certainly not all – even if they are pro-Israel. I don’t recommend any comment which includes some bigoted comment or anyhting else I disagree with.

      So 1,365 times, people have chosen to state that they agree with THIS post, not the general argument. There were plenty of other posts that made the anti-circumcision point without the disgusting references gto the Holocaust and “Jewish oppositionists”, but they chose to recommend THIS one.

  6. There is a greater issue at stake. Maybe after the Holocaust, Jews should not be residing in Germany at all.

        • Actually I do understand the sentiment. My Jewish ex’s grandma would tell her travel agent to avoid German airspace. I always unerstood that – and we got on like a house on fire nonetheless.

          But come on, people. Let’s move on.

          • //come on, people. Let’s move on//

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            It’s too soon to forgive and too soon to forget.

            True, Germany is a good friend now and helps Israel in many ways.
            For example, those Dolphin-class subs are essential to Israel’s strategic posture and deterrence.

            While on a human level, people-to-people, there is still too much resentment and bitterness towards the Germans.

            Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Majadanek are still there. And It has’t been that long, only seventy years ago or thereabout.

          • Well, we are not quite on the same page even though I agree that your comment has a great deal of support. I have spent a great deal of time in Germany on business for my kibbutz, and was always related to in the most respectful manner. Similarly we were very well treated during a recent visit to Nuremburg with my wife to learn more about her family, slaughtered almost entirely in the Holocaust – she will not agree to this day to own a German car, for example.

            I certainly hold nothing against today’s Germans, as a nation or group – and of course, there are bad apples in every basket – but I did find if odd going to a Yom Kippur service filled with old Jews who had survived the Holocaust, and nevertheless never felt as at ease in Germany as elsewhere.

            Given the many other places to live, even though Germany is virtually the only economically successful European country outside Scandinavia, where in Sweden and Norway anti-Semitism appears to be running wild, I still find it hard to understand how a new generation of Jews can delude themselves into feeling at home in Germany. I imagine they keep one eye open for trouble, and would probably move elsewhere if necessary. Perhaps its a personal thing.

            But I do think its time to move on in Jewish-German relations – not to forgive those who were involved, some still living out their days – and not to forget -as if we Jews ever do – our memories go back 3000 years. But Germany, more than any other country in Europe has dfone the most to atone for its role in the Holocaust – of course, they had more to atone for – while other countries have done little and some, like Spain, that have centuries of persecution to apologize for, would never dream of doing so.

            • //Well, we are not quite on the same page even though I agree that your comment has a great deal of support.//
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              To be on the same page entails only basic and reasonable understanding of someone’s point of view. Complete acquiescence is not implied whatsoever.

              In any case,

              you graciously shared some things from your past, so allow me to share and reminisce as well.

              Once upon a time, I met a young French woman. Her name was…Valerie.

              That overseas trip she took was a graduation gift from her parents. She stayed with me for a while. . I didn’t know her last name until I took her to the airport to fly back. Her last name was… Obergruber … or something like that. I am not going to reveal her name for privacy reasons.

              She booked a connecting flight from Paris to Strasbourg. I put two and two together.

              Valerie Obergruber was an ethnic German from Alsace.

              We stayed in touch and soon she invited me over. I flew to France and went to Strasbourg. Valerie was really happy to see me again.

              Soon enough, she asked me to meet her family. I said OK. We drove out going west to east. It was a short trip, just a few miles from Strasbourg.

              We went in. There were like thirty people in the house. The younger ones communicated in French, the older ones in German, more or less. Valerie introduced me to her parents, who in all likelihood thought they were meeting their future son-in-law.

              The long table had on it everyhting there was in Alsace- cold cuts, salads, marinated veggies, bread, beer, apple schnapps- all seemed and tasted homemade.

              About an hour later, Valerie’s mother, once liquor loosened her tongue, asked me point blank if I was ” a good Catholic”. I replied in German, “I am Jewish.”. Her face twitched a bit. A minute later she recovered somewhat and uttered in German, word-for-word, ” We are one hundred percent French. What happened in the war was all Hitlers’ fault”.

              We soon went back to Strasbourg.

              Valerie liked me a lot. I felt that every moment we spent together. She wanted me to stay put and said so. I just couldn’t. I didn’t wish to mislead this decent girl. She did not deserve false expectations about the future. It had to end.

              There was no chance she and I could build something together. Some things were bigger than us.

              To make a long story short, it is my firm belief that following the Holocaust the term ‘German Jewry’ is or should be an oxymoron.

              My opinion may seem strange and even obnoxious to some, I realize that, but then again, to understand it all, one must know what really makes Jews tick.

              Toda roba

      • //100,000 Jews in Germany beg to differ.

        Who are you – a joker poster?//

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        Since you’re unable to grasp the ins and outs of it, allow me to put it in simpler terms.

        After the Holocaust, it is antithetical for Jews to live among Germans.

        I was stationed in Berlin years ago and I couldn’t wait for my days there to be over. It was too stifling emotionally.

        As for your second ” remark”, this is a serious topic. I really don’t feel like stooping to your level right now.

        BTW, why are you always here? Don’t you have something better to do with your time? It’s summertime, go somewhere.

        • As for your second ” remark”, this is a serious topic. I really don’t feel like stooping to your level right now.

          Please explain.

          Re. “stooping to your level” – have you not seen the anti-Muslim bigotry here?

  7. Many of the comments have tried to turn the issue of circumcision into one of consent by the child. That is, since the child did not consent to circumcision, it should not have been done.

    Here are just a few things children do not consent to yet are considered good things to “inflict” upon them, or sometimes deadly to withhold:

    1) We feed them without their consent
    2) We transport little babies around in the most dangerous way possible – in a car. Hundreds if not thousands are killed every year
    3) We send children to school if if they do not want to go
    4) We inoculate them against various diseases
    5) We permit some lunatics to refuse to inoculate their children against various diseases because they read about it on the internet after watching Oprah
    6) We let children swim in pools where many drown. Some people force their children to swim in pools in the hope they will learn not to drawn even if the child is scared of water and refuses to go in.
    7) We make children wear shoes
    8) We make them have haircuts
    9) In the USA, in particular, we make some live in houses that are filled with deadly weapons that are all too often used against them.

    But there is only one thing that seems to get the Guardian nutters worked up. Jews continue a practice that in the space of three thousand years has harmed virtually no-one unless an anti-Semite wants to check that his next victim really is a Jewish male. Their concern for little Jewish babies is ridiculous and hypocritical.

    • And as I mentioned on a previous thread: technically you could call Christian baptism “water boarding.”

      Your final comment, however – sadly predictable – assumes anti-Semitism, which is laughable.

        • “the real reason for their concern is” is … ermm … the medically unnecessary practice of circumcision?

          Sorry to burst your bubble – but it has nowt to do with anti-Semitism.

      • “And as I mentioned on a previous thread: technically you could call Christian baptism “water boarding.”

        pretzelberg that is a very silly remark and demonstrates your ignorance about the rites of the various Christian Churches.
        Total immersion is rare and when carried out very rarely, if ever, on children.
        The overwhelming majority of baptisms are just the sprinkling of water on the head, if that is what you consider ‘water boarding’ then that is another subject you are ignorant about.

    • You missed out piercing the ears of baby girls.

      Here in Spain it’s practically obligatory – a friend has a baby girl whose ears haven’t been pierced and he constantly has to explain to incredulous people that the kid can have it done herself when she’s older, if and when she wants to.

  8. Catherine has prompted Duvidl, indicted by her as foreskin-averse, to verse:

    Anti-semite Catherine Bennet
    Promulgates this Jew-hate tenet:
    For Jews who have no foreskin, slack,
    Catherine will sew one back.
    At the Guardian, Catherine quips,
    For this purpose she stocks old schnips.

    Cut to the Coda

  9. You are making generalisations based on one single comment where you are reading something into the post that simply isn’t there.

    I’m sure Ms Bennett would not wish to be seen to proclaim that Muslims were lacking in basic human decency.

    This is just crazy. Where does Bennett – as you seem to suggest – proclaim that Jews are lacking in basic human decency????

    Bennett states: “Circumcision is an affront to decent human behaviour”. Religious Jews strongly support circumcision for their male children. Therefore in her view they affront decent human behaviour.

    She also states: ” Properly, male circumcision should be categorised with a host of ritual crimes against children”. Just because she only stated it once doesn’t mean it was just a joke.

    Just crazy? Try reading her article with your eyes open.

  10. And a new song comes to mind:

    To the tune of “I’ve been working on the Railroad, all the livelong day.” Hat tip: US tradition

    Bennett’s working on the foreskins,
    All the Guardian day.
    Foreskin One; soon there’ll be more skins,
    For just seventy-five pounds pay.
    From Kentucky to Nantucket,
    Her foreskin sources drawn.
    For Whitaker and Rustbucket,
    Bennett blows the horn.

    Chorus: Bennett blows the horn, Bennett blows the horn.
    She wants no foreskins shorn.
    Bennett blows the horn, Bunglawala’s forlorn.
    It’s Guardian house-porn.

    DS Al Coda

  11. Here are some other acts of surgical or similarly invasive physical intervention that adults in the UK routinely impose on their children who cannot give informed consent;

    Operations to correct cleft palates
    Removal of teeth to improve the appearance of the smile
    Capping of teeth (which involves filing down the original teeth) for cosmetic reasons
    Insertion of surgical dental braces (required to be worn over many years) for cosmetic reasons
    Piercing of ears
    Removal of additional digits for cosmetic reasons
    Removal of benign tumours or birthmarks for cosmetic reasons

    Of course, Catherine Bennett and people like her will never refer to such procedures as “mutilations”. She won’t be writing articles campaigning for the renaming of “plastic surgery” as “elective self-mutilation”.

    No doubt she believes that surgical interventions based on parents’ decisions on behalf of their children for cosmetic reasons are perfectly reasonable, whilst it’s abundantly clear that spiritual and religious reasons not only count for nothing with her but in the case of Judaism and Islam are the basis for affronting basic human decency and committing crimes against children. That tells you all you need to know about the value system this self-appointed arbiter of basic human decency really subscribes to.

  12. I’m actually amused at the sudden anti-circumcision uproar.
    -The WHO recommends male circumcision (which, unlike female excision, doesn’t have any deleterious effect on the physical and mental health),
    -The California chapter of the AMA went up in arms to prevent San Francisco to ban circumcision,
    -The “studies” which came out against circumcision some 20 years ago, have all been debunked since,
    -The princes of England are circumcised.
    -Among those who oppose it, nary an expert, just a lower court German judge, the Guardian, and a bunch of “concerned” people without any medical knowledge.
    Excuse me if I stand by a practice that has stood my people well for close to 5000 years.

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