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We interrupt this blog for a brief message to the BBC (& Guardian) from the mayor of Tel Aviv



 

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  1. I just got back from Herzlia Pituach in Israel. May i be the first to advise the BBC and The Guardian that Herzlia Pituach is also not the capital of Israel although, it, like Tel Aviv, is an amazing place to relax and chill out.

    • “Jerusalem became the capital of Israel 3000 years ago.”

      Gosh… the mayor of Tel Aviv himself does not know that Israel was created in 1948?

      Aren’t there schools in Israel?

      • It’s a bit surprising… how could the mayor of Tel Aviv become mayor of Israel’s biggest city without ever studying international law?

        Had he studied, he would know that if West Jerusalem is located in Israel, East Jerusalem is located in the Palestinian territory.

        • Nat. You are a scratched record. You simply maintain that the Armistice lines 1949 are Israel’s borders. Anything else is “Palestinian” and that pre-1949 lines are also Palestinian when it suits your argument.BORING.

        • Jerusalem is Israel’s biggest city, not Tel Aviv.(Even “West” Jerusalem is more populous).
          Now Nat, as a self-proclaimed paragon of Intl. Law, don’t you know lying is illegal under the 4th Geneva Convention?
          😀

        • ‘Fess up, Nat. Your obsession with “international law” (but selective and only as you construe it) is teasing me. How exactly are you qualified to make any comment?

        • Nat: “It’s a bit surprising… how could the mayor of Tel Aviv become mayor of Israel’s biggest city without ever studying international law?”

          The biggest surprise is that with your multitude of talents – including modesty and self-reflection, combined with an infallible understanding of international law, that you yourself are not mayor of Tel Aviv.

            • Answer my question above, Nat. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description in international law, and that, like so many other hot air balloons who sound off here about what Israel does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

              So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

            • Nat: “I aim at a bigger city in a bigger country.”

              Give it your best shot! But no mention of ‘greater Israel’ over at this place please.

      • “Aren’t there schools in Israel?”
        Nat, Avi, Benyamin whichever name you are using today I ask you the same question.
        Are there schools where you were born?
        If there are, why didn’t you attend them?

        In the centre of Rome there is a very large arch dedicated to Titus and on it is a depiction of the sack of Israel’s capital, Jerusalem by the Roman Empire.
        Guess what Nat, Avi, Benyamin or whoever you are pretending to be today, it was a long time before 1948.

        • Gerald, were you alive when Titus took over Jerusalem?

          No?

          The state of Israel was created in 1948.

          • Wow! Gerald, you are truly the centre of the universe. Apparently, history only started the day you were born.

            • “Wow! Gerald, you are truly the centre of the universe. Apparently, history only started the day you were born.”

              Thank you Gooner, at last someone has realised my importance.
              Clearly as I must be approx. 2,000 years old I claim my privileges as the oldest poster on this blog.

              • Sorry to disappoint you Gerald. I am Joshua from the Bible and can tell you a tale or two about Moses. I celebrated my 3432nd birthday last week. The cake was enormous with so many candles ! IIt was a true light to the nation.I guess that makes me older.

          • Nat, Avi, Benyamin, Uncle Tom Cobleigh.
            Thank you for answering my questions.
            1) There are no schools where you were born
            2) If there were clearly you did not attend them.

            To answer your question, No I wasn’t alive when Titus sacked Jerusalem. Any more stupid questions?

          • The state of Israel was created in 1948.

            Oh come on. That’s just silly. Israel was re-established in 1948.

          • Answer my question above, Nat, about your “qualifications” in international law. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description, and that, like so many other hot air balloons who sound off here about what Israel does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

            So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

      • Hey guess what Nat? The modern state of Syria “was created” (by which I suppose you mean became independent) in 1946. Before that, it went through a similar pattern to Israel of occupation by British, French, Ottomans, Romans, Assyrians, etc etc etc.

        But Damascus has been the Arab “capital” of the region known as Syria since about the 6th century BCE, despite all these occupations and invasions.

        On independence in 1946, Syria therefore naturally chose Damascus as its capital city. The borders of this state were decided by the UN/League of Nations and were based on the Sykes-Picot agreement between Britain and France during WWI. This state is ruled by Alawite Shiites despite 74% of the indiginous population being Sunnis. There are also “occupied” Druze and Kurdish populations whose right to self-determination was ignored by Britain and France in their carve-up of the region post-WWI.

        I presume you don’t have a problem with Damascus being the capital of Syria. What’s your beef with Israel having Jerusalem as its capital?

        • When Israel was created, nearly one million Palestinians were chased from the land and cities in Palestine where their families had lived for centuries.

          When Syria was created, Syrians became citizens of Syria and continued to live in their land and cities as before.

          • When Israel was created, nearly one million Jews were chased from the land and cities in Arab countries where their families had lived for centuries…

          • Answer my question above, Nat, about your alleged “qualifications” in international law. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description, and that, like so many other hot air balloons who sound off here about what Israel does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

            So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

          • Nat Dear, even according to the most anti-Israel sources out there, the upper estimate is around 800,000 people who have feld(the actual figure is lower).
            Lived for Centuries?!
            That’s a laugh. According to Ottoman censuses between 1800-1890, the population almost doubled. Considering medical practices at the time, the natural birth rate, it would appear that during some period, there was a huge influx of immigrants into it, and as records show, probably toward the close of the 19th century.
            Now Nat, since I’ve asked you this before, and you *seem* to be an “expert” on Intl. Law…
            Isn’t lying illegal according to the Hague Conv. & IVth GC?
            I am petitioning the ICJ as we speak! 😀

      • Nat: “Aren’t there schools in Israel?”

        An intellectual powerhouse and a comedian with an incisive, acerbic wit. What talents you parade for us here on cifwatch.

  2. Just as it is clear to us that London is the capital of Britain,it would/should be just as clear to the BBC and the Guardian that Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel.

    We decide where our capital is not the Brits nor the palestinians will decide for us.(in fact it was decided thousands of years ago)

    • London is in England, si it’s the capital of England.

      Jerusalem is not in Israel, only West Jerusalem is, so Jerusalem cannot be the capital of Israel.

      • This is a brilliant post. “Jerusalem is not in Israel, only West Jerusalem is, so Jerusalem cannot be the capital of Israel”.

        Is there a little tiny weeny flaw in your logic there Avi, old boy? If even you admit that “West” Jerusalem (an artificial division that only ever existed for the 19 years when Jordan illegally occupied “East” Jerusalem and the West Bank) is in Israel, then WHY THE F*** CAN’T IT BE THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL?????

    • You decide where your capital is… as long as you choose a city that is actually in your country.

      New York cannot be Israel’s capital because it’s not in Israel.

      Jerusalem cannot be Israel’s capital because East Jerusalem is not in Israel, only West Jerusalem is.

      • When people speak of Jerusalem from before and after the Roman period, they mean the Old City. “West” Jerusalem evolved only in the last century. There were very few settlements outside the walled part. “East” Jerusalem is a fiction created after the Jordanians divided it in 1948 and chucked the Jews out. So do not speak with a pretence and hint of moral superiority Avi.It doesn’t work that way.

      • Avi, two points:

        1) London is in England yet it is also the capital of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
        2) What country is the eastern part of Jerusalem in if not Israel? Through which border control must one pass to go there?

        • “1) London is in England yet it is also the capital of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.”

          No!
          The capital of Wales is Cardiff. The capital of Scotland is Edinburgh.
          London is capital of the United Kingdom, but in Wales and Scotland we have our own capital cities. In both capital cities we have elected bodies with law making powers and devolved responsibilities for Health, Local Government, Transport and the Environment.
          I appreciate that you, probably, did not mean to cause offence but to write that London is the capital of Wales and Scotland does cause offence as well as being wrong.

      • Another point, Avi: Do you know that the majority of non-Jews who live in eastern part of Jerusalem would rather remain part of Israel than be transferred to Arab rule? Do you blame them?

        • Any Israeli settlement in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is a violation of international law.

          Settlers living in East Jerusalem are a tiny minority only and can be resettled in Israel’s West Jerusalem easily.

          • “Any Israeli settlement in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is a violation of international law.

            Settlers living in East Jerusalem are a tiny minority only and can be resettled in Israel’s West Jerusalem easily.”

            This has been discussed ad nauseum and you are clearly wrong. The legal position is clear. Even some on the left in Israel see the stupidity in arguing that settlements are illegal etc. as being factually incorrect.Note Professor Gil Troy’s comments on the recent Levy Report, but debates the matter acknowledging the correct legal position.

            http://blogs.jpost.com/content/yes-there-no-occupation-legally-not-practically

            The demography and geopolitics may make border adjustments a desirable objective, but that requires for the parties to sit down and make a peace treaty.To argue stupidly, as Nat continues to do and without basis in fact, means one of 2 things:

            1. One does not care whether the argument is based on fact or not. So long as Israel is bashed, it must be right, irrespective of what Arabs and Jews want or not want.

            2.Genuine mistake.

            It does not take an article by Gil Troy to make people like Nat realise their stupidity, because he has had legal history lessons before. What it does show however is a malevolence and racist belief that Jews have no rights.

            • I should add, that my posting of Gil’s article does not mean that I entirely agree with his objective, but to make the point that he is honest enough to maintain what is correct in law.

            • Any Israeli settlement in the occupied Palestinian terriotry (West Banlk, including east Jerusalem, Gaza) is a violation of international law.

              The Geneva Conventions strictly forbid an occupying power from transferring its population into the occupied territory.

              • Geneva Convention? But Israel according to international law according to international law and not Nat’s International Law’s of jew and israel bashing, is not beligerently occupied and therefore no breaches of the convetion have occured , as israel and jew bashers so often like to declare.

                did you not read the article?

          • Once more, answer my question above, Nat, about your alleged “qualifications” in international law. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description, and that, like so many other hot air balloons who sound off here about what Israel does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

            So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

          • Deafening silence in reply to this question earlier, so:

            For the nth time, answer my question above, Nat, about your alleged “qualifications” in international law. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description, and that, like so many other windbags who criticise Israel for what she does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

            So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

            Or shut up

        • So let all the people living in the Illegally Occupied Palestinian Territories become ‘part of Israel’ and problem’s solved!!

          Oh no, wait, that would mean democracy and we wouldn’t want to allow that!! #ApartheidRules!

          • You’re absolutely right! How did we not see this? My God.
            So, who’s going to make the call to the American Embassy,
            to demand full civil rights, citizenship, and representation in the US Congress, for residents of Puerto Rico, the American Samoa, Guam, &c?
            You, or I?

            • Almost Forgot:
              Oh, no, that would mean democracy, and we wouldn’t want to allow that for:
              US Insular Areas, UK Overseas Territories, French Overseas Collectivities and Prefectures, Dutch Commonwealths-> #ApartheidRules!

      • Another Jew hater adopting a Jewish sounding name… Avi, Benyamin, Nat… who next?

        • As of 18 January 2012, 130 countries have recognised the State of Palestine.

          Palestine is a state, but it’s not a member state of the UN yet. These are two different things.

          • You obviously haven’t read this, Nat Words of recognition are cheap and meaningless unless they are followed up with hard cash. And that is not forthcoming is it? Can you guess why?

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18979724

            “Palestine” is not a state. It is a thoroughgoing waste of money.* Even the BBC reports this.

            Note particularly that the World Bank Report states “..A future Palestinian state should seek to emulate Asian countries that have managed to sustain high levels of economic growth”

            and “.. “However, there are a number of areas where the PA can focus its attention to not only improve current performance, but to lay the groundwork for a future state,” it said.

            Can you tell us what exactly Hamas and the PA have done to lay that groundwork, other than to rattle the begging bowl.

            *The PA said last month it was facing a funding crisis, with debts of $1.5bn (£968m) and a cash shortfall of $500m

            Little wonder, when the salaries paid by the PA to terrorists and their families – which, in total, is the equivalent of over $51 million per year, $4.3 million per month, and $788 per month per prisoner. This salary is greater than what the PA pays to civil servants and military personnel. (It truly does pay in Palestinian society to be a terrorist).

            Oh, and while we are at it:

            For the nth time, answer my question above, Nat, about your alleged “qualifications” in international law. If you don’t then I shall assume that you have no expertise at all worthy of the description, and that, like so many other windbags who criticise Israel for what she does or doesn’t do, you just want to draw attention to yourself.

            So what about it? Put your money where the equivalent of your mouth is.

      • Yes, old chap, but Israel doesn’t want New York to be its capital. Just Jerusalem, which at least part of, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION is in Israel!!!!!!

        Got it yet, dumbass?

        • Israel is free to declare West Jerusalem its capital.

          This cannot include East Jerusalem as the latter is located in the Palestinian territory.

          • Jerusalem, in the view of the Quartet, is a final-status issue, to be resolved amongst the parties of the dispute.
            Please don’t subvert International Law, by prejudging the outcomes of negotiations.

            • Of course, under International Law all of Jerusalem is occupied, since it was to be an international city. Before 1967 it was occupied by Jordan and Israel, and now it’s just occupied by Israel. All of it. If Israel wants to declare al Quds its capital, then first of all it needs the world to recognise it as part of the state. Until its resolved as a ‘final stautus’ issue, that won’t happen.

              Moral of the story: make peace.

                  • Right, and I am the Duke of York…. Now, did you forget to take your pills today, “Professor”? That’s very unacademic of you.

                    • Ahem… You, “Professor”, ought to know better how to address a man of my station;
                      “Your Grace”, if you please…(a curtsey would be nice, too).
                      And “His Grace”, really wants to you to return to your medication regiment… is that okay, “Prof.”?

                    • Since I’m a republican, I’m afraid I can’t indulge your nobility. But you needn’t address me using my title. Sir will do.

                    • Commentary 101, or correctly Your Royal Highness not Your Grace.
                      Your full title is;
                      His Royal Highness The Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, Baron Killyleagh, Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, Canadian Forces Decoration, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty
                      So if you don’t mind I’ll stick with HRH?

                    • Gerald, you’ve done well by your nobility :D, thanks!
                      I don’t like flaunting my titles ‘twixt such plebeians as “Sanity” here :).
                      And with everyone else, since I believe I am among friends, I can just stay plain old Commentary101…

                      “If you can talk to crowds and keep your virtue…
                      Or walk with Kings -nor lose the the common touch…”

                  • For all his republican pretences, Sanity is actually the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal – but he likes to keep a lid on it.

                  • Prove it (I’ll bet you can’t or won’t)

                    How might you go about encouraging Israel’s Arab neighbours to make peace sanity, because, as you well know, one hand cannot clap can it?

              • Seems to me, that for all your purported embrace of “Intl. Law”, you don’t quibble with the Pals’. unilateral decision to carve out East Jerusalem, which, again, was never agreed to anywhere. Strange, that.

                • Well yes, I do think it’s a problem actually. Unfortunately the PA is a waste of space, fascist entity full of technocrats, corruption and bigots.

                  So, as I said, moral of the story: make peace.

                  • “Make peace”?
                    With the “waste of space, fascist entity full of technocrats, corruption, and bigots”?
                    With the PLO, which still refuses to amend its charter, to recognize Israel, and eliminate the notorious “Phased Plan”?
                    “Professor”, I think you’re missing the “In” in your monicker…

                    • No, make peace with Palestinian people. Should have done ti with Yasser, since he would have brought the people with him, I would suggest you try to find Palestinians who truly represent the people, nto stooges of the US, like Fatah or stooges of Mossad like Hamas.

                    • Are you Israeli or British or both. I’m British. So it really doesn’t concern me, except as a humanist, just putting in my twopence worth.

                    • Arafat(I hope that’s the Yassir you’re referring to) WAS chairman(and founder) of Fatah, so clearly he was a “stooge” of the US/Israel/Illuminati(whatever conspiracy it is this week); so that really defeats your point.
                      Funny, I didn’t find his suicide bombings, sent into Israel’s cities, to pulverize women and children, to be ripples of that sought-after peace.
                      Nor his continued demands for a “Right of Return”, to crush Israel demographically, to be very emotive of his genuine desire to live in peace with Israel.
                      Hamas a “stooge” of Mossad? You really DO need help!
                      As for me, I am an Israeli(former Brit), and I certainly feel that an attack on my homeland, my people, is a very grievous affront to justice, and mankind.
                      And if you’re a “Humanist”, Lord help us all.

                    • You don’t have to, but I have, mine.
                      Why, were you going to make some “Jews with dual loyalty” remark?
                      Spare us, please.

                    • No, I was just curious. I didn’t think it would be a requirement. Seems odd that you would give it up given the benefits EU citizenship brings with it. But fair enough, if it’s what you want.

                      Most of us have loyalty to at least 10 things. Not sure what relevance that has to nationality.

                    • Sanity: Seems odd that you would give it up given the benefits EU citizenship brings with it.

                      Benefits to someone who’s chosen to move outside the EU being … oh, yes, having the right to a postal ballot in the European Parliament elections?

                      Why are you so curious abouit Commentary101’s passport anyway?

                    • Well, the chief benefit is freedom of movement and easier to get visas in certain places. Two passports is much more flexible.

                      I was initially interested because I wondered whether he was a representative of the Israeli electorate of the sitting on the sidelines pontificating and being influenced by the Guardian brigade like me.

                  • ahem… with whom?
                    Hamas?
                    Other than the PA, who would have the smarts to negotiate and stick to what they have negotiated?

          • Please define for us the borders of this “Palestinian state”.

            Note: the border does not include the 1967 Armistice Line, recently erroneously called “1967 border” for political reasons by some.

            • To quote the late, great American musician Frank Zappa, “You can’t be a Real Country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer.”

      • Is there a factory which manufactures one-track-minded lunatics of this sort, slight seconds and flawed so they are sold in bulk to annoy us?

  3. Well the mayor of Tel Aviv says it so I guess that settles it. My only remaining confusion is my error in thinking the State of Israel dates from 1948 when only the time it dates back 3500 years.

    • I think the more important question is, how far back does YOUR obsession with Hoffman date?
      Keep the answer entertaining, at least then we could extract some worth from your hit-and-run “opinions” here.

    • Stop nitpicking. Israel existed long before 1948 and there has been a continuous Jewish presence there for thousands of years.

    • RZ: “My only remaining confusion is my error in thinking the State of Israel dates from 1948 when only the time it dates back 3500 years.”

      That’s it in a nutshell. Your overall understanding of Jewish history is very shallow. More like an anti-Zionist compendium of fashionable slogans that denies Jews their right to their own collective history and identity, and in doing so by-passes reality. (and happens to be very offensive, as it is a continuation of a thousand years of European chauvinism that seeks to define Jewish identity by its own hostile and racist terms).

        • For once I think you are correct. Savour the moment. I doubt that it’ll happen again for a long time

        • Sanity: “Israel does not an cannot speak for all Jews.”

          So what? I’m talking about European chauvinism, racism and barbarism. A culture that has anti-Semitism woven into its very fabric. You, RZ etc are a product of that culture.

        • Can the Guardian and PSC and other numb brains speak for all Palestinians?

          It’s a serious question because it seems to me that these lunatics do more harm than good to their Palestinian co-dependants.

  4. So, according to the unreal zionist and his sock puppets Ari, Nat and Benyamin the land of Israel only came into being in 1948.

    I wonder how he/they explain the references to Israel and Jerusalem even in the New Testament.

    Where did those ancient “Israelites” come from?

    To which place does that Christmas Carol “Once in Royal David’s city” refer to?

    I guess if you live in a world where time travel is possible you can even believe that Muslims inhabited the area before the Jews, even before Islam was invented.

    • Biodegradable, you’ve been reading the koran’s explanations of “science” again, haven’t you???

      • Well, the koran does actually say that Moses, Abraham, Jesus et. al. were all Muslims, but as far as I can see they don’t mention Ron Hubbard. 😉

        • What a coincidence, I just found this gem indicating that Muhammad was in fact Jesus’ brother and was around fighting the Romans!

          http://www.israellycool.com/2012/07/25/antisemite-brendon-oconnell-tries-to-enlist-help-of-ahmadinejad/

          “Did not the Jewish priests of Jerusalem tell the representative of Caesar that in order to support Caesar’s system of government, according to which the poor were exploited and the capitalists became rich; that if he did not crucify Jesus Christ, he was not a friend of Caesar? It was Muhammad, the brother of Christ, who rose against the oppressive society at the time, where in there was a great friction between the oppressors and the oppressed.” Page 96

    • Bio, what do you think would happen if Italians came and confiscated land and houses in Europe, telling people that “this is land that belongs to the Roman Empire, we were here 2000 years ago and we’ve come back home”?

      Europeans would resist and fight for their rights.

      • Nat, Avi, Benyamin, or whoever you imagine you are today.

        I’m amazed that anyone would confuse modern day Italians with the people who ran the Roman Empire, or foolishly attempt to claim that they are one and the same.
        But when I remember your futile attempts on this and other threads to twist and pervert facts and the truth to suit your own agenda, or skulk away when challenged about the veracity of your posts, then it is not such a surprise

        I would try to enlighten you but clearly your ignorance about history is only exceeded by your ignorance about every other subject.

      • Nat, Jews are not Italians who suddenly arrive out of nowhere – they have always lived in Israel, they never went away completely.

        “Palestinians” are not the “Europeans” in your pathetic attempt to draw a parallel.

        This is always worth remembering:

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

        (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

      • If I recall correctly, Mussolini had ambitions along those lines. The obvious difference between the Roman Empire and the the land of Israel is that the land of Israel belonged to the Jews who were exiled. The Romans expanded by seizing lands (in most cases brutally) not belonging to it. It was never their home.

        The first real estate deal took place in Hebron 4000 years ago where the Bible records Abraham purchasing Machpela. Guess what? It’s still there.

      • That would be like Israelis claiming land east of the Jordan, citing the anicent Israeli “empire” at its greatest extent – or indeed claiming Iraq on account of Abraham having been born there.

        But nobody, of course, is making such a claim. So your analogy is ridiculous.

    • Ah, the New Statesman. Fine stuff…
      Have you thought about asking Mehdi-“Kuffar are Cattle”-Hassan? I am sure he’d have a lot more to say about “Zionists”(to your great pleasure), than pusillanimous Freedland

  5. Not sure why you think Freedland is pusillanimous. Strange choice of words. Did you read the article or are you just going to pontificate without doing so. Would be good if you educated yourself / exposed yourself to other ideas just a little. That’s why I come here. To be reminded why humanism is far superior to nationalism.

    • Yes, I’ve read the article; and by pusillanimous- I meant of course that Hassan(no apologia from you for his “Kuffar” comments, that’s interesting) would’ve castigated Zionism more harshly, than Freedland(for your purposes).
      Secondly, Regarding the article. I’ve found parts of it very shoddy(on the whole, though, balanced). I agree with Freedland’s general vision. Israel will have to surrender considerable swathes of the WB(93-95%) percent to the future Pal. State(the rest of course, can be traded in landswaps); no argument there.
      My objections to the piece consist mainly from his skewed placement of the onus of “bad decisions” and “flawed execution”, on Israel(neglecting basic historic facts).
      And for another take(for your edification), consider this:
      http://hurryupharry.org/2012/07/26/freedlands-one-eyed-take-on-mideast-history/
      I was surprised however, that you, of all people, would cite an article supporting Zionism. You’re not known for your proclivities of defending the Jews’ right to self-determination.