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Harriet Sherwood does her bit for BDS


Placing herself in such none too illustrious company as Press TV, Electronic Intifada and a couple of minor regional Australian dailies, Harriet Sherwood apparently had no qualms about rehashing the September 3rd press release from Al Haq concerning its latest ‘report‘ and producing an article which, for the most part, parrots the anti-Israel NGO’s outlandish claims. 

The sub-header of Sherwood’s September 3rd article on the subject of the Dead Sea mineral resources describes Al Haq as a “Palestinian human rights organisation” and ten paragraphs of her report uncritically repeat that organisation’s claims, whilst just one paragraph and a sentence are given to the point of view of the company ‘Ahava’, and one paragraph to the Israeli foreign ministry. 

“However, in a letter circulated in 2010, Ahava said: “The mud and minerals used in Ahava’s cosmetic products are not excavated in an occupied area. The minerals are mined in the Israeli part of the Dead Sea, which is undisputed internationally.” “

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“In a statement, the Israeli foreign ministry said that, under the Oslo accords, Israel had territorial jurisdiction that includes land, subsoil and territorial waters in Area C. It “therefore would be entitled to licence a company to excavate mud in that area if it chose to do so”. “

In other words, there should not be much of a story here. A company, located in Area C under the terms of the Oslo Accords, is doing what it is perfectly entitled to do.

Packaging department, Ahava, Mitzpe Shalem

But in choosing to ignore the highly flawed reputation of Al Haq – an NGO notorious for its employment of ‘lawfare’ against Israel, for its part in the disgraced ‘Durban I’ anti-Israel circus and for employing a director whom as recently as 2008 was considered by the Israeli Supreme Court to have connections to a terrorist organization – Sherwood displays a typical lack of critical thinking.  

Not only has she elected to give disproportionate balance to the unfounded claims of a politically motivated NGO seeking to advance the cause of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (one of Al Haq’s board members is American-born Lisa Taraki – also a founder and steering committee member of PACBI – the Palestinian Campaign for Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel), but her final paragraph even promotes the BDS stance. 

“The al-Haq report calls on the European Union to adopt restrictions on the import of Israeli products originating from settlements, and urges cosmetic retailers to provide clear information about the origin of products they sell to allow consumers to make an informed choice about purchases.”

A critical viewing of the Al Haq report would place it in the context of the ongoing attempts by various parties (including the Palestinian Authority, assorted NGOs and – sadly – some EU officials who should know better) to create facts on the ground whilst avoiding the final status negotiations which are supposed to determine the eventual agreements on key subjects such as borders and settlements. The BDS campaign’s aim is to eliminate Israel as a Jewish state and to sabotage the internationally accepted model of the two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Part of that campaign is the promotion of memes such as ‘Palestinian territory’, ‘occupation’, ‘Palestinian natural resources’ and so forth. 

In order to engage in balanced critical thinking on any subject, it is of course vital to look at more than half a story. When that story includes claims about “Palestinian natural resources” or Palestinians “dispossessed… of extensive portions of the Dead Sea land”, it is necessary to delve back into history and look into less well-publicized and less frequently promoted elements which are integral to the whole story – something Sherwood has obviously not bothered to do. 

As early as 1907, a mining engineer from Siberia named Moshe Novomeysky approached the Ottoman authorities of the time for permission to extract minerals from the Dead Sea. In 1920 Novomeysky emigrated to what was by then post-First World War Palestine and spent several years carrying out surveys and trying to persuade the British Mandate authorities to grant him the tender for mining in the Dead Sea area. 

His application was eventually accepted towards the end of the decade, provoking a lively – and at times, anti-Semitic – debate in the British House of Lords. Novomeysky’s company – the Palestine Potash Company, or PPC – was granted a seventy-five year concession in August 1929. Novomeysky had already, in 1922, purchased some disused huts on the northern shore of the Dead Sea where the main production plant was situated. Initially, the plant’s workers commuted from Jerusalem, but with British permission marshland near the factory was drained and the co-operative community of Kaliya was established.

In 1939, a kibbutz named Beit HaArava (after a biblical village in the same area) was established on the factory’s lands nearby.  By 1943 one hundred Jewish families, including many who had escaped Nazi Germany, were living there. After having gone to great lengths to wash the salt out of the land – as shown in the film below (unfortunately only available in Hebrew) they began to grow agricultural crops and supplied fresh food to the potash plant’s workers. 

Novomeysky’s company also recognized the potential of the Dead Sea as a tourist attraction and in 1934 the first hotel was set up at Kaliya, with a new, modern facility added in 1940 and even, two years later, a golf course – which proved very popular with the British officers stationed in Palestine at the time. In the winter of 1944, the Kaliya hotel became a stop-over point for BOAC’s hydroplane flights to India, with guests including Winston Churchill. 

When the British Mandate was terminated and the War of Independence broke out, the isolated communities of Beit HaArava and Kaliya, together with the hotel and the potash plant, became difficult to defend. After 43 workers from the power plant at Naharyim were taken prisoner by the Iraqi army, it was decided to evacuate the residents of the northern Dead Sea area on May 19th and 20th 1948. On May 22nd the advancing Arab Legion destroyed the two kibbutzim, the hotel and the factory. 

Memorial at Beit HaArava. The kibbutz’s original graveyard was desecrated after the residents’ evacuation.

Novomeysky’s company also had facilities in the southern part of the Dead Sea which did not come under Jordanian occupation during the War of Independence and in 1953 Kibbutz Ein Gedi was established just south of the armistice line. 

Between 1948 and 1967, whilst the area of the northern shore of the Dead Sea was under Jordanian occupation – along with the rest of Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem, and including places where Jews had lived for many years – there were of course no Palestinian claims of ‘dispossession’ or theft of ‘Palestinian natural resources’. 

The Jordanian decision to join in the 1967 war of annihilation, despite Israeli pleas to the contrary, resulted in the defeat of the Jordanian army and Jordan’s loss of control over the areas it had occupied in 1948. Kaliya was re-built in 1968, Beit HaArava in 1980, and in 1971 Mitzpe Shalem was established.  

The future of those three kibbutzim, as well as other communities in that most inhospitable part of the world, is a very serious subject: one which must be resolved in final status negotiations leading to a lasting peace agreement. The ugly dehumanisation of the people who live in those communities as ‘war criminals’ and ‘pillagers’ does nothing to bring peace any closer. 

But of course the wish for peace and co-existence is not shared by the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement and its rejectionist partners such as Al Haq.

Precisely for that reason, such delegitimising rhetoric should be spurned by sober observers who do wish to see a peaceful two-state solution to the conflict. It should certainly not be parroted blindly and uncritically on the pages of any newspaper which aspires to be taken seriously, by a journalist who apparently cannot even be bothered to learn the historic background of the region, but is prepared to act as a pawn for the BDS campaign. 

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    • Had Mr levick done what is called journalistic research, he would know that Al Haq is a prestigious human rights organization which It monitors and documents human rights violations by all parties to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He would also know that Al Haq is funded by the governments of Western democracies such as Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands or Ireland.

      Al-Haq has been an affiliate of the Geneva-based International Commission of Jurists for over 20 years, and is a member of the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH), Habitat International Coalition, and the World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT). It also is part of the Executive Committee of the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN)

      • “Had Mr levick done what is called journalistic research, he would know that Al Haq is a prestigious human rights organization…”

        If you had done any research at all you’d realize that the article is by Hadar Sela.

        “…Norway…Sweden…Ireland…” the usual suspects.

      • The fact that Al Haq is funded by the governments of Western democracies such as Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands & Ireland as well as the fact that Al-Haq has been an affiliate of the Geneva-based International Commission of Jurists for over 20 years, and is a member of the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH), Habitat International Coalition, and the World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT). It also is part of the Executive Committee of the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN) is completely IRRELEVANT regarding the report in question…

        The fact that the report doesn’t even mention that Israel has a legal right to mine minerals in the area (due to the fact that part of the Dead Sea is completely in undisputed Israeli territory)… As well as the fact that the report doesn’t even mention that Jordan has a similar legal right to mine minerals in the area (and actually does exactly that) is all because it would “harm” the narrative that Al Haq is trying to publicize…

        That false narrative being that the only group of people to have legal rights to Dead Sea minerals are the Palestinians… All so that even completely legal actions by Israel will be viewed by gullible people outside of the region as being illegal…

  1. Why does this silly woman not bother with the real genocide that has taken place in Rawanda, why does she not concern herself with the man behind Kony, Bashir? All she is a second rate propagandist who wants to stir up trouble for Israel by means of her lies, libels and propaganda. Should be a truth warning attached to any of her ‘articles’ which are toxic fabrications and distortions. She needs to get a grip and should involve herself with real issues of injustice taking place in the world such as Sudan at the behest of Bashir, but oh no her paymasters demand she spew forth anti-Israel propaganda and lies. The injustice beggars belief. The reality of Israel building, providing work and opportunities and education cannot be told. Bridgette Gabriel in her book ‘Because they Hate’, attests to the fact that people in the emergency department in Israel are triaged on the basis of NEED, not religion, culutre or ethnicity. BDS campaign is racist and those who support it are supporting injustice and the heirs of Hitler. Without Israel the world and the middle east would be much poorer and sadder. How would the Christians fare, just look at Iran, Pakistan, etc and you have your answer.

    • Is it really helpful to invoke Hitler here? Are people really seriously comparing BDS to Nazi Germany? I would suggest that it’s not Ok to compare Israel to Nazi germany, and even out of courtesy, the courtesy should be extended to those opposing some of the Israeli right’s policies?

  2. A company, located in Area C under the terms of the Oslo Accords, is doing what it is perfectly entitled to do.

    But in the long term Area C will be under Palestinian control – right?

    • Are you sure? I thought there was supposed to be … you know … a .. what is it called? Negotiation? To decide what the final borders will be?

      If the Arabs do not wake up pretty soon, and non-negotiator Erekat does not change his tune, Israel will almost certainly annex the parts it wants and and tell them they can have their state in what is left out.

      After close on 50 years of this nonsense, enough is enough.

      • But the world won’t allow it. Don’t tell me that you don’t give a toss. Since Israel is THE single most dependent state in the world not giving a toss is suicide.

        • The World allows a lot of far worse things to go on unchecked by anything other than a few stern words (if that). You would argue that the world has allowed Israel to “get away with” many human rights abuses, massacres, land thefts, whatever, over the last 64 years, so why would the world change its tune now?

          Personally, I think AKUS has called it correctly. In the absence of a peace partner, Israel will simply do what it believes is right unilaterally. I just hope that it works out better than the decision to withdraw from Gaza did.

          • AKUS wishes a Greater Israel. He also believes himself to be a direct descendant of Aaron.

            You think that “AKUS has called it correctly”??

            • Hi Pretz. I make no comment on AKUS’s background or beliefs. I simply think he has probably more or less accurately predicted Israel’s likely response to the lack of any attempt at reaching a peaceful solution by the Palestinian leadership.

              By the way – as a “cohen” (a member of the Jewish priestly sect) I am also (at least in theory) a descendant of Aharon (although of course I can’t prove that).

              • Akus hears voices in his head which he takes to be God telling him that everything and more is his. What a yawn. Time to move on ?

              • ” er of the Jewish priestly sect) I am also (at least in theory) a descendant of Aharon (although of course I can’t prove that).”

                Go on give it a whirl you are among friends.

              • My cousin! With the Cohen gene!

                BTW, Pretzel – I do not “wish a Greater Israel”. As Gooner says, I simply think that a partition of the WB is very likely since the Arabs have no intrest in negotiating anything.

                Probably a good thing too, provided the Arabs do not start slinging rockets into Israel from the WB or continuing to try to send in suicide bombers like last week, which will make Cast Lead look like a walk in the park.

                It will separate the two groups of people (except for the Jews the Palestinians welcome to live among them, of course), reducing friction, and allow both sides to make progress peacefully as they see best.

                • “the Arabs have no intrest in negotiating anything”

                  Well, “the Arabs” (great generalising by the way) are hoping for a partner for peace who will not insist on extreme preconditions like the suspension of international law.

                  Every key player in the world (minus the US and Israel) supports a two-state settlement. But with Israel’s continued land thefts and refusal to drop their preconditions, the two state (which more and more people are realising is now dead) is being eclipsed by the prospect of a single state.

          • Israel cannot do as it pleases because Israel cannot survive without European and American aid.

            What you write is wishful thinking.

            • Whereas Palestinians will not be able to survive without UNRWA aid once they become a state, would they, because they’d not be entitled to it, not being “refugees”

        • Actually, Rich A “the world” wouldn’t give a damn. Many may bleat about Israel but if push came to shove, they’d ignore the Palestinian whingeing as they always have.

          The real suicide would be taking too much notice of Palestinian alleged whingeing.

  3. ” Why does this silly woman not bother with the real genocide that has taken place in Rawanda, why does she not concern herself with the man behind Kony, Bashir? ”

    Maybe because she is paid to concern herself with the Middle East ? Doh !!!

    • Fair point. Now substitute “this silly newspaper” for “this silly woman”. Why doesn’t the Guardian bother with the real genocides going on around the world instead of obsessing over Israel?

      • The western MM in general focuses more on the ME than on certain other conflicts.

        I take it you have a problem with e.g. the LA Times?

        • I have never once picked up a copy of the LA Times, and have no knowledge of its editorial policy or history, so I simply can’t comment.

          I am quite familar, however, partially thanks to the sterling work of Adam and CifWatch, of the bias and worse of the Guardian. This blog is about that very paper (and its online presence), so that is what I commented on.

      • Actually the question Gooner asks is a perfectly fair one. It won’t go away. Why is it in a world in which Israel is a fairly minor player in the anti democratic, quasi fascist spectrum acquired such a central place ? There are an awful lot of worse places. An awful lot of worse regimes. Why does Israel attract such disproprtionate attention ?

        This question troubled me for a long time. But I have it sorted. At least to my own satisfaction.

        • Thanks for the acknowledgment, Rich. So you say you have it sorted to your satisfaction? Can you tell us why, then, given, as you say, there are an awful lot of worse places and regimes in the world? What is the answer (as you see it)? This is a genuine question, as the only answer I can find is a very uncomfortable one indeed.

          • Yes I know it is a genuine question and I have acknowledged it being a good and fair one. Unfortunately the way I would answer it would make it way too long for a blog post. If you are seriously interested when I have written it out I will ask you for an email address and send it to you. Will be a while there are other pressing issues. In any event I am still formulating the presentation of it.

            You never know it might make me famous ha ha.

            • This sounds like a cop-out to me….

              Post it here if you have the courage of your convictions – you could even send it to Adam and he could decide whether to publish it – so that we can discuss it below the line.

              But somehow I doubt that you will. You lack the rigorous research skills required much less the background knowledge to make a good enough case.

              You could of course send it to CiF instead. They’d print any old unresearched rubbish provided it was critical enough of Israel.

      • I think you’re missing the point. Newspapers usually make most of their income from advertisements, not from their readership. It’s the 80/20 rule (80% advertising 20% readership). Well, not so much a rule now, the numbers are shifting dramatically.

        My point is – the Guardian does not exist to inform, nor does it exist to provide “balanced coverage”, whatever that is. It exists primarily to sell a readership to corporate sponsors.

        And to contextualise the Guardian’s financial worries, perhaps:

        http://stateofthemedia.org/2012/newspapers-building-digital-revenues-proves-painfully-slow/newspapers-by-the-numbers/

    • Besides, why is Mr Levick not writing about the recent wave of settler attacks on innocent Palestinian children?

      Settler violence has done more to legitimize Israel than any writing in the Guardian.

      • You are writing about it, admittedly from an uninformed, emotional stance. Why do the equivalent of paying a dog and barking yourself?

  4. Hadar, thanks for pointing out the synergy between Sherwood and Ruth Pollard in the Fairfax media here in Australia. She does not represent ‘minor regional dailies’, however, but the major mastheads of the key eastern seaboard states of Victoria and New South Wales, where most of the Australian population resides. They are key opinion formers. Pollard follows a long and inglorious line of anti-Israel commentators at Fairfax. I recognise her stuff for the propaganda it almost always is, but I have to wonder how many other readers do.

  5. Excellent article, Hadar. Not only were there “no Palestinian claims of ‘dispossession’ or theft of ‘Palestinian natural resources’.” during Jordan’s control of the WB, but there was no effort to actually create any kind of income-producing activity by the West Bank Arabs.

    Only when Israelis started creating industries like Ahava in what was regarded as a totally useless area into did the newly-minted, post 1967 “Palestinians” suddenly want the the Dead Sea.

    Its a real dog in the manger story.

    The only use that was made of the Dead Sea since biblical times till modern Israel was founded was as a convenient waterway – even the Romans used it, as did the Ottomans.

    The Arabs had the area under their control for hundreds of years and did nothing with it. Now they suddenly discover that the tiny kibbutz of Mitzpe Shalem, for example, with about 100 members, and the Ahava factory, are “stealing their resources”.

  6. BTW – thanks for the info about Kalya and the link to that article – very interesting – I “stayed” at the hotel at Kalya in miluim and I recall that we thought it was built by the Jordanians. I had no idea of its history or its founders, Harry and Rosa levy.

    Interesting that BOAC landed planes on the Dead Sea, continuing its use as a link in a transport network – planes instead of sail boats!

  7. Just a few questions regarding this inspired work of fiction:

    “A critical viewing of the Al Haq report would place it in the context of the ongoing attempts by various parties (including the Palestinian Authority, assorted NGOs and – sadly – some EU officials who should know better) to create facts on the ground whilst avoiding the final status negotiations which are supposed to determine the eventual agreements on key subjects such as borders and settlements.The BDS campaign’s aim is to eliminate Israel as a Jewish state and to sabotage the internationally accepted model of the two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Part of that campaign is the promotion of memes such as ‘Palestinian territory’, ‘occupation’, ‘Palestinian natural resources’ and so forth.”

    One, where did you get the phrase “facts on the ground” from? Was it from the phrase used by the international community to describe Israel’s illegal settlement project in the West Bank which has, since 1967, carved up the West Bank and is rapidly making – as international leaders repeat month after month – the prospect of a Palestinian state completely impossible? I’d provide you with sources for that; but in fact all that’s required is a few hours driving around the West Bank to see how the large settlement blocs, particularly Gush Etzion, Ariel and Ma’ale Adumim, divide the West Bank into separate cantons that no one could seriously call a state.

    Two, it’s laughable to suggest that Israel’s settlement project and extensive use of natural resources in the West Bank are simply the result of the Israeli government finding itself with no partner for peace, and therefore having – with a heavy heart – to pursue such policies unilaterally. Israeli officials envisioned the political, geographical and environmental domination of the West Bank long before the Oslo Accords.

    Some evidence for that claim: in 1978, shortly after he was appointed head of the Jewish Agency’s Land Settlement Division, Matityahu Drobles issued ‘The Master Plan for the Development of Settlements in Judea and Samaria.’ In this document, Drobles declared that “Settlement throughout the whole of Land of Israel is for security and by right…”, adding later that “Being bisected by Jewish settlements, the minority population will find it hard to create unification and territorial contiguity.” (Source: http://www.btselem.org/download/200205_land_grab_eng.pdf)

    I mention this in particular because you appear still to support the two-state solution, so it’s striking that you appear unaware of this political and historical reality.

    Third, finally and most alarmingly: you describe the terms ‘Palestinian territories’, ‘occupation’ and ‘Palestinian natural resources’ as “memes” (!). My question is: what intellectual process did you employ to take this term, most commonly used in reference to amusingly-captioned pictures and animated dancing beers, to describe phrases agreed on by the international community and ratified in UN resolutions spanning six decades? In one sentence, you appear to acknowledge the importance of the international community and its role in delivering two states; in the next, you display the utmost contempt for its views. It makes no sense.

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

    Best,
    Chris

    • “phrases agreed on by the international community and ratified in UN resolutions spanning six decades

      Fascinating, Jim.

    • “large settlement blocs, particularly Gush Etzion…”

      Because, as everyone knows, international law is most explicit on this issue: Once Jews have been ethnically cleansed from an area, they are never ever ever allowed to live there again, even if they later acquired the territory in a defensive war.

      That’s the same reason Jews are forbidden by international law from living in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem.

      • cba – could you point me to the relevant international laws that state that? I must have missed those ones.

        • “the phrase used by the international community to describe Israel’s illegal settlement project in the West Bank… the large settlement blocs, particularly Gush Etzion… ”

          The law that makes Gush Etzion “illegal”–that law.

          • “……..an occupying power shall not deport or otherwise transfer part of its civilian population to the occupied territory. ”

            That one ?

            • People, of their own volition, going back to the place from which they’d been ethnically cleansed 19 years earlier and rebuilding the communities that had been destroyed at that time by the invading army (Jordanian) is in no way “an occupying power deporting or otherwise transferring part of its civilian population”–it was people going home to areas that were reacquired in a defensive war.

              • Hmmm, a “right of return” you say. Does this apply to all victims of ethnic cleansing? Or just the Jewish ones?

                And what percentage of Israelis living in Palestine had been “cleansed”. Do you have figures? 100%? 50%? 5? 1%?

                • How many Jews were allowed back into the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem when the Jordanians occupied it? Why, now it’s under Israeli control, are Jews still not allowed back under this mythical “international law”?

                  • I agree that Israelis and Palestinians should be able to live anywhere between the River and the Sea if they so choose.

                    Another illustration of the fact that Jews are Zionism’s primary victim.

                    • “Every key player in the world (minus the US and Israel) supports a two-state settlement.” – Avram Meitner

                      “I agree that Israelis and Palestinians should be able to live anywhere between the River and the Sea if they so choose.” – Avram Meitner

                    • A two state solution (which I view as ridiculous) precludes neither Jews nor Arabs from living anywhere in between the River and The Sea.

                      A single bi-national state would just make what is already happening just that little bit less painful.

                • What I’ve always found ironic with Likud’s obsession with “unified Jerusalem” is that I’ve still have to find a single Israeli who’s eager to set foot in East Jerusalem, apart from a handful of settlers and from the tiny area around the Hebrew University.

                  I remember inviting an Israeli friend at the American colony for a drink. She declined, saying “I will not go to East Jerusalem, you can be stabbed there” (Worth noting that most Western diplomats live in the streets behind the hotel, which tells you how safe it actually is).

                  One of my friends asked an Israeli shop in West Jerusalem to deliver furniture at his home in East Jerusalem. The shop refused, saying they would not deliver in the East, and offered to refund him. Same with an Israeli pizza shop, they would not deliver to the eastern side of the city.

      • Gush Etzion is an illegal settlement located in the Palestinian territory in violation of international law.

        Let me remind you that the Fourth Geneva Convention strictly forbids an occupying power to transfer its population into the occupied territory. Israel’s transfer of its civilians to Gush Etzion is therefore unlawful.

        • So, exactly as I said above… Once the Jews who lived in Gush Etzion were ethnically cleansed from there in 1948, “international law” declares that they are never allowed back.

    • Yeah,
      An all time favourite ‘international law’. Adam should do a months worth of writing on activists who are specialists in international law. Especially how Arabs show the planet how it applies to their citizens and how Muslim sponsors apply international law when they bank roll decades of global terror against Israel and other western actors or other Arabs who don’t tow the line. Etc etc.
      Hey !
      I just found my international law diploma in my ‘Quaker’ oats carton. Get it? Quaker and EAPPI. Hee Hee.

        • I repeat, is “prestigious” your new word, Nat?

          And just because several European governments fund EAPPI doesn’t make it prestigious, it makes them gullible

        • Nat you claim that EAPPI “gets funding from several European governments”

          As I am a citizen of, and taxpayer in, the E.U. I am interested. So can you inform me which Governments fund and how much they give to EAPPI?

          By the way Nat I read the Annual Report of the W.C.C
          if you go to their website and click on the link ‘Appendix to W.C.C. Financial Report 2011’ then scroll to P305 EAPPI you will see the income and expenditure for EAPPI. I was surprised that there is not any record of funding “from several European governments”.

          Is their Annual Report wrong or are you fabricating your posts again?

    • I think your error, Chris, is to assume that the good folks here support a two-state solution. It would be more accurate to say they oppose a single democratic state – assuming by “two-state solution” you mean the vision of two-state supported by virtually the whole world minus the US-Israel alliance.

      In terms of what you can expect here. the managing editor is still of the opinion that the British Mandate for Palestine is still in effect, and that Jews (and, it would seem, only Jews) have the right to settle in the mandate.

      Failing all else, expect ad hominem attacks.

      • “I think your error, Chris, is to assume that the good folks here support a two-state solution. ”

        Great generalizing, by the way.

      • I support a two state solution, provided that the Palestinians would agree not to attack me. The likes of you, of course, take great delight in the cranking up of people who are not good at controlling themselves at the best of times, so it’s not likely to happen is it, fool?

      • Your error, Avram, is to use this blog as an extension of your own misleading and hate-filled one. And since when have you been able to read minds? What’s that? You never claimed you could? Why then talk about the good folks here as if you know what you are talking about and as if what you say is based on fact rather than your own fevered imagination? (That is not a rhetorical question. I really would be interested to know)

    • @chrisjamescox, what are your thoughts on this

      http://roshpinaproject.com/2012/07/07/eappi-would-stain-the-church-of-england-2/

      We know as well as you that EAPPI is in bed with Sabeel, the leader of which, Naim Ateek “… infuses antisemitic conspiracy theory with unpleasant theology about Israel, conjuring images of Christ-killers who have “turned Palestine into one huge Golgotha”, and who run their government in a similar way to Herod’s massacre of innocents. The UK Friends of Sabeel group boasts antisemites and terror supporters as patrons..”

      Do read the link chrisjamescox, and come back and tell us why you, with all your biases, can have anything at all helpful to add to debate here, because it seems to me that you have disqualified yourself from having an opinion here.

  8. Chris: The Palestinian Arabs don’t want a state of their own alongside Israel. They want to dismantle the state of Israel using a new Palestinian entity. I imagine the kingdom of Jordan is next on their wish-list.
    Excuse us for not going along with their plans.

    As for the many Arab sponsored UN Resolutions – they are recommendations and not binding.

    • All the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territory, beyond the green Line, are ILLEGAL as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention.

      Nothing can change that.