General Antisemitism

Chris McGreal inadvertently undermines his own claim regarding the power of the ‘Israel lobby’


Chris McGreal isn’t very fond of Israel, nor its supporters, and his anti-Zionist politics are evident in his work as the Guardian’s Washington correspondent. 

Here’s a very short rundown:

McGreal suggested a moral equivalence between Hamas suicide bombings and the accidental killing of Rachel Corrie, believes Israel may be in the grip of psychosis, accused many (unnamed) U.S. politicians of showing greater loyalty to Israel than to their own country and characterized George W. Bush’s presumed deference to the Jewish state as slave-like.

And, of course, he believes that the Israel lobby exerts a dangerous degree of control over the U.S. Congress – a theme he picked up on again in his latest report, ‘The Democrats misstep on Jerusalem and Israel’s place in the U.S. election‘, Sept. 6.  

McGreal reported on the row over language reinserted into the Democratic Party platform recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, writing:

“…the [Democratic] party leadership hurriedly revived a clause in the platform from previous years proclaiming the city as the Jewish state’s capital when much of the rest of the world withholds recognition.”

What, per McGreal, caused the DNC to change course?

Do we even need to ask?

“It’s a reflection of the split US stance toward Israel that Congress and political parties are given to highly partisan declarations of support for the Jewish state, driven by domestic politics and a powerful lobby…” [emphasis added]

Fortunately, McGreal specifies what he means by domestic political considerations:

“It’s not clear how the routine commitment to an undivided Jerusalem as the Israeli capital got dropped from this year’s Democratic party platform, but Obama was worried enough, not least about votes in knife-edge Florida which has a significant Jewish electorate, to intervene and get it reinstated.”

So, according to McGreal, the Israel lobby and Florida’s Jews represent two of the main reasons the Democrats changed their platform regarding Jerusalem.

However, McGreal also writes about another ‘demand’ of the Israel lobby – moving the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem – which, amazingly, hasn’t yet been obeyed.  

Here are the relevant passages in his report:

“US Congress has demanded [a new American embassy in Jerusalem] be built immediately. But once American presidents begin navigating the minefield of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they quickly realise they don’t need to add to their problems by shifting the US embassy from Tel Aviv…”

“The Republican party election platform made an explicit commitment to move the embassy. But once Bush was in the White House, he, too, failed to make the move.”

“President Bill Clinton declined to [move the embassy to Jerusalem] as he attempted to shepherd Yasser Arafat and various Israeli leaders toward a deal.”

“…the US…keep[s] their embassies in Tel Aviv and generally speak about Jerusalem as the seat of the Israeli government.”

So, it would seem as if McGreal’s belief regarding the dangerous influence of Israel’s supporters in the U.S. is undermined by his own story, which implicitly acknowledges that the lobby has been unable to get the U.S. to officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

As one keen ‘Comment is Free’ reader observed below the line of McGreal’s piece:

“You and other Guardian experts consistently tell us that American Mid East foreign policy is dictated by The Lobby. Now you tell us that these presidents, including even George Bush, refuse to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem despite this being such an important issue for Israel.

Does this mean that you and many of your colleagues have been over-spinning The Lobby for all these years? 

Indeed. “Over-spinning”, fear-mongering, and engaging in ideologically-driven hyperbole and lazy stereotypes are what typically pass for progressive journalism at the Guardian. 

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  1. McGreal is like a dog with a bone that he will not lket go off.

    Booted out of Israel for his “creative” reporting, he landed up in DC. He’s the Washington correspondent, for heavens sake – surely a premium position for any journalist with enough to write about? Yet he’s always got to take the Israel angle on Washington – its always all about Israel for him.

    • “Over-spinning”, fear-mongering, and engaging in ideologically-driven hyperbole and lazy stereotypes are what typically pass for progressive journalism at the Guardian.”

      Looks more like the Likud’s policy these days.

    • “Yet he’s always got to take the Israel angle on Washington – its always all about Israel for him.”

      Last time I checked, the only thing Obama and Romney talked about was… Israel.

      It should not come as a surprise that Washington-based correspondents write about Israel when the two men competing for the White House talk mainly about Israel.

  2. Good write up. Does he share a flat with finkelstein?
    AKUS any links on his departure from Israel? Please.

      • Avram’s in Dublin. Judging by his anti imperialist tweets and paranoia blog plus 100 nazi photos on his nazi Flickr photo stream I doubt he’ll get past ICE. US immigration have denied entry for less.

  3. Lobbying is a perfectly legitimate part of a democratic process. I don’t think a Jewish/Israel lobby influences American foreign policy over much if at all. It for sure has a grip on congress but congress doesn’t control foreign policy. There is the famous story of how Reagan and Begin were discussing something or other and Reagan expressed a concern about the attitude of Congress. Begin is reported to have said ” don’t worry about that Ron I will take care of the Hill.”

    America is rationalism personified. The Israel thing was initially about the cold war. Israel was used as an American outpost and bulwark against communism in the ME. The cold war ended but along came the ” war on terror.”

    The day will come when America has no use for Israel and in those circumstances, as in all others, it will act in its own rational self interest.

    The real existential threat to Israel is not the Iranian bomb, or terrorism, or Arab armies, but rather its TOTAL DEPENDENCE on another country for its very existence. A supremely rationally self interested country at that. For that reason Israel needs a deal quickly in the region, and normalised relations with the Arab World and the wider world. Time is on the Palestinians side not the side of Israel.

    • “Time is on the Palestinians side not the side of Israel.”

      Terribly naive what you write. And the Pals couldn’t run a bath. They have nothing to offer in a ‘rational’ world. The Arabs are busy finding themselves after too many years of going back in time. Too many are illiterate, their economy does not afford them work. Violence is omnipresent. Their GDP is pathetic. Their is no freedom. Their is no education system to speak of. And Israel has managed with and without the USA for 5000 years.
      Next!

        • Yes, the USA just forgave Egypt $1billion in dept. so much for dependence. How much is Saudi throwing at Egypt? How are those illiteracy rates in Egypt?
          The Egyptian economy is cratering, due to its monoculture “dependence” on tourism. I wonder how Syria and Lebanon are doing these days? Any news?

        • Avram – There are occasions when some commenters on this site do cross the line and make ad hominem generalisations about Arabs, Palestinians etc, but how is pointing out economic and social standards which are, objectively, low in pretty much all Arab countries, racist?

          • Please. Read his comments again. Rich made a reasonable comment (regardless of whether or not you agree with him) about time being on the Palestinians’ side.

            Daniels response?

            the Pals couldn’t run a bath”

            “They have nothing to offer in a ‘rational’ world.”

            The Arabs are busy finding themselves after too many years of going back in time.”

            If that’s not pure racism, then I don’t know what is.

            • It’s all true.sadly.i wish it weren’t so .life would be better for all involved. But giving Hamas an absolute majority says more about a cultures state of mind than world leading illiteracy rates.

            • Rich’s comment was silly and uninformed, like all of yours. What a sad comment to make, time is on their side. That is what the islamofacist say. They come up with cannon fodder and their best argument is time on our side, because allah is on our side. Brilliant! Wonderful strategy for improving ones lot.
              Time is on our side, gotta remember that one. I wonder if the Europeans were thinking the same during the time of the pyramids and whity was swinging from the trees?
              It’s like saying , we love death more than you love life. Same kinda logic.

            • On reflection, Avram, I accept that these comments were poorly worded and I do not endorse them. I was concentrating on the second half of Daniel’s post – and I don’t see anything untoward in his second post (about Egypt’s economy) that would lead you to say he was “keeping them [racist gems] coming at all.

              • Gooner,
                Would you not agree that a society based on tribal and or sectarian loyalties will handicap itself too large degree in the modern world? Would you not agree that the incredible violence since 1975 in the Arab world (including Nasser’s imperialist Yemen war) is sign of a deep malaise within Arab culture? 300.000 dead in Darfur, a 25 year war in Sudan, Gaddafis war in Chad, the failed state of Somalia, 80s Aleppo and Syria as a whole to this very minute. Saddam and his sons, Iran and its mullahs and on and on.are these not signs of a culture in decline? A decline which every culture on the planet goes through. Pointing this out is not racist.
                And that the Pals have not been blessed with good leaders is no secret either.

                • Daniel – I have tried to make it clear that I am not arguing with the thrust of your points.

                  We (supporters of Israel) are quick to castigate others when they use overly-generic and judgmental phrases about the psychological outlook of Jews or Israelis, so we have to be cautious not to fall into the same trap ourselves.

                  With this in mind, I do feel that the phrases highlighted by Avram were unfortunately phrased, at best.

                  • Gooner,
                    I take all you say on board and to heart.
                    My writing is to be seen on the context of communicating with Avram whose pathetic conspiratorial blog and nazi flickr stream set the low standards here. It is also is a mechanism of coping with the depravity one wades through in these threads. I use sarcasm. It is soothing.

          • If I had written:

            The Jews can’t help themselves”

            The Jews exhibit dual loyalty”

            The Jews are dishonest”

            We’d be talking about anti-Semitism right about now. But it’s the typical double standard. Anti-Arab racism is just fine here.

            • All three points are not true. Avram have you spent any time in Arab countries? Have you looked at the way politics is done in Arab countries? Have you informed yourself about the way Arab despots have run and crippled the lives of tens of millions of people? How is this possible? How can secret police states ruin the lives of all these people? Just like in facist Europe and communist Europe, there were millions of people who sided with the despots and helped make the arab ME what it is today. So just like in 30s Europe there is a systemic failure in Arab society. Like in Germany and those who decided to join Hitler. And just like whity messed up back then , so have the Arabs messed up their fortunes for a hundred years plus. Nothing racist. Simply pointing out the obvious. And any honest Arab will agree with me.
              Read Prof. Eberhard Jaeckel. He is no communist pseudo academic like the ones you base your world view on, but one of the foremost authorities on the Holocaust. You may well transfer his pov to the arab world when it comes to a society which lost its bearings and found itself falling over all trip wires and blowing all safety fuses. The results are self evident. Be it Europe in the 20s and 30s and Arab/persian society today.

              • the Arabs messed up their fortunes for a hundred years plus. Nothing racist.”

                Sigh. I just think you’re hard wired for racist thought patterns.

                  • Isn’t Israel the country where mass protests took place last year because people can no longer pay for their rent or feed their children ?
                    I even saw families living in tents on the curb.

          • Are you saying that Daniel’s statements like “the Pals couldn’t run a bath” do not constitute ad hominem generalisations?

      • Do try to be a little less silly Daniel. Israel is the single most dependent nation on earth. Without unquestioning US financial, political and diplomatic backing Israel wouldn’t last five minutes.

        • Disagree.

          Israel would have to change, undoubtedly. It would have to change into a more conciliatory and less aggressive regime, but it would not face an “existential” threat. Quite the opposite.

          Without US opposition to the two state solution, it would likely come to pass. This is the only thing which will preserve Israel as a “Jewish State” – to use the term. Opposition to the two state will inevitably lead to a one-state.

          • “Without US opposition to the two state solution”
            since when do the USA oppose the OSS ? Utter nonsense. Like your blog.

            • The only thing which has prevented a two-state solution from coming to pass is the decisive support Israel receives from the US.

              Every single year since the 70s, the UN votes on a peaceful settlement of the Israel Palestine conflict, on a two state solution along the lines of international law. Every year, the entire world votes for it, the US and Israel vote against it. It’s almost funny.

              • Avram, you know as well as I do that it doesn’t matter what the entire world votes for…it’s what happens at the negotiating table between the only actual involved parties.

                The ‘entire world’, BTW, doesn’t much care what happens to Israel in the wake of their ‘peaceful settlement’, and if Israel were to be completely destroyed, they wouldn’t lift a finger, so you can sort of see why Israel doesn’t just go along with their happy little schemes to make life more pleasant.

            • Daniel,
              Avram says that the US and Israel are against the two state solution because their official position is that they’re for it.
              Avram says that “virtually the whole world” (including “key players”) is for the two state solution because most, if not all, of the Arab and Muslim “worlds” and their third world and western subalterns are against it (including his “two-state Pals” who want to flood Israel with enough “refugees” to make it into another Arab majority state.)
              Then Avram chastises the US and Israel for being against the TSS that they’re committed to in reality.
              Then Avram says he believes that Arabs and Jews should be able to live anywhere they choose”between the river and the sea.” (But only between the river and the sea.)
              Avram is a one-stater who believes that the one state should be an Arab one, because he thinks what the world not only needs one more Arab state, but no jewish state at all.
              Then if you point out reality to Avram he labels you a racist, because calling people who disagree with you “racist” is oh so fashionable these days. People of Avram’s mindset are always looking for ways to label their opponents as racist for the same reason they attempt to repel charges of anti-Semitism directed at them even when such charges are entirely appropriate.
              Avram comes here and tries to flood the place with Chomsky’s nonsense.
              And the lies and slanders of the Avrams and their fellow travelers convince the astute, the intelligent, and the just, once again just how necessary the creation of a jewish state was in the first place.

        • Rich A,
          What identifies Israel bashers like you and many others is that they have no real understanding of Israel, Hebrews and Hebrew history. The simple fact that a few million Israelis have flourished over the past 60+ years despite many wars and the hate of hundreds of millions of Arabs says it all. Had you spent any real time in Israel and lived with Israelis you’d understand why it will endure for ever. A critical mass of Arabs is too busy screwing each other over on a daily basis. On top of that most Arabs don’t really care about the Pals. Their own countries massive problems are more important than the never ending incompetence of the Pal leadership.
          Speaking of dependence! Had the Arabs no oil, they’d still be herders and picking dates. The oil has been a curse for the Arabs corrupting an entire culture and exposing their cultures weakness first and foremost tribalism. I’ll spare you the inhumane sectarian violence which has been present since the 1970s.
          This unspeakable violence has caused the death and emigration of large parts of the Arab elite, never to return. They have infact decapitated themselves. Any honest Arab will confirm this.
          I have a good friend in Egypt who works for a major US bank. He says that Israelis are far more productive than any Arab nation , see World Bank stats. The numbers are crushing. If you take away the oil revenue Israel blows the Arabs out of the water.
          http://data.worldbank.org/country?display=map
          As to the complete failure of the islamofacist model in Iran where mass poverty and unemployment and again mass emigration for many all to obvious reasons….
          Chances are the way we are communicating now is largely due to software made in Israel. When you make your next mobile phone call you’ll most likely be using software made in Israel.
          You should inform yourself before speaking about things which out you as someone who understands diddly squatt.
          Next time I’ll tell you about the prominence of Israeli artists in the world.
          http://www.artiscontemporary.org/
          Again compared to 300 million Arabs, Israel blows them out of the water.
          For direct foreign investment and venture capital gushing into Israel read this paper ….. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/nodeview.asp?fid=942

          • What mental age must someone possess to make the argument that Jews are better than Arabs?? 6? 7? 8 tops?

            Einstein was right. Nationalism is an infantile disease.

            • Avram – what mental age must someone possess to sum up a long list of economic, social and political facts (and some theories – not all of which I agree with, by the way) as “Jews are better than Arabs”?

              This isn’t about infantilism – Daniel is making points (most of which can be backed up by any number of independent objective sources such as the World Bank) to counter your, totally unsupoported supposition that Israel would somehow collapse if the USA changes its foreign policy.

              • Daniel is a racist. No ifs, no buts. He has nailed his colours to the mast time and again.

                And I didn’t make the argument that Israel would collapse if the US changed its position. I made the opposite argument.

                • I’m not trying to defend racism. I’m trying to extract the facts from the verbal mush in which they are buried.

                  It cannot be denied that Arab countries are generally amongst the poorest nations (apart from the few in each country who have kept the oil revenue etc to themselves) and that, on almost every measurable standard (technological, economic, freedom, social, educational etc) their standards are far behind Israel’s, despite the dreadful drain on Israel’s human and financial resources of having to defend itself every day since its re-birth.

                  The conclusions you wish to draw from this are up to you, but the measurable facts are there for all to see.

                    • What do you mean? Are you denying the fact that two Jewish republics existed in that location in history, and that for the last 2,000 years (since the Romans obliterated the last vestiges of Jewish self-rule), Jews have prayed and yearned for a return to Zion?

            • Avram ,
              Decontextualising AGAIN, Jews a not better, they are simply more successful at what they are doing. Considering what has been going on across the ME recently I think Israel look ‘better’ than all of its neighbours and nearly all nations that have no oil.
              How blind do you have to be?

            • “What mental age must someone possess to make the argument that Jews are better than Arabs?? 6? 7? 8 tops?”

              What mental age must someone possess to have such a shallow understanding of an argument? 6? 7? 8 tops? How myopic does someone have to be to ignore all facts in an argument and instead spend all one’s time sniffing for signs of “racism”?

              “Einstein was right. Nationalism is an infantile disease.”

              Good thing he didn’t mention the existence of Arab Nationalism, or that Pal textbooks teach that Palestine is the beating heart of the Arab Nation, huh?

          • Yes Yes Daniel but none of that will help you if the US loses interest in Israel and decides that its rational self interest no longer requires it to shore it up politically and diplomatically. And one day this will happen. So better to sort the thing out as quickly as you can. Time is not on your side.

            Israel needs to make up its mind sooner rather than later. Hey I don’t live there its not going to directly affect me.

            • You don’t live there. You are badly informed. Starting arguments with ‘if’ is a bad start. If I win the lottery tomorrow……The USA will not lose interest in Israel for a the same reasons it stood by Europe after ww2.

      • “Time is on the Palestinians side not the side of Israel.”

        Considering that Israeli citizens are less and less, while Palestinians and Arabs are more and more, it should not come as a surprise that many diplomats – including Israel’s – consider that time is on the Palestinian side, and that Netanyahu’s refusal to negotiate peace is suicidal.

    • “….. its TOTAL DEPENDENCE on another country for its very existence.”

      I maybe mistaken but that sentence in itself is anti Semitic and serves a classic trope. The Jews leaching of others, unable to make it themselves.

      • Daniel it is you that is talking about ” Jews ” I am talking about The State of Israel.

        Don’t think for a single moment that Americans care about Israel. The vast majority of Americans don’t have the remotest clue where Israel is

        The none too subtle message trickles down from the political class. Israel is our friend. Israel good ragheads bad.

        When the message dries up Israel will be right out of sight and mind.

        I merely am saying that I wouldn’t want my fate so wholly dependent on another people, and such a self interested, self absorbed people at that..

        • Daniel it is you that is talking about ” Jews ” I am talking about The State of Israel

          I think you don’t know what you’re on about.

        • Rich A,
          You either don’t live in the US and have no idea what you’re talking about, or you do live in the US and incredibly still have no idea what you’re talking about.
          The United States is neither a Socialist/Communist failure nor an Arab/Muslim dictatorship. Go fish.

          • The USA is the world’s biggest democracy and Americans could not care less about Israel, because they care only about their own country.

  4. “Lobbying is a perfectly legitimate part of a democratic process.”

    It’s certainly a part of the political process. Whether or not it is democratic is of course a matter of debate.

    “I don’t think a Jewish/Israel lobby influences American foreign policy over much if at all.”

    The Israel lobby is the most visible, and the most crass in its attempts to subvert American politics on behalf of a foreign power. But there are far more powerful domestic lobby groups – the arms lobby being probably the best example – which have a bigger impact on foreign policy.

    • OK – democracy 101. In theory, at least, democratically elected governments are supposed to act in the interests of the people of their countries. They do so by passing new laws and implementing policy. They decide on these laws and policies by a mixture of their own intelligence and ideas and working out what it is their people want to happen.

      It is impossible (especially in a country as large as the US) for senior politicians to directly canvass the opinions of the populace on a regular basis and on each topic. They therefore listen to involved and interested members of society as intermediaries. Lobbyists are there to facilitate this dialogue and thereby enable decmocracy to work.

      OK – that’s the theory, and we all know that the practice is somewhat removed from this, but lobbying per se is far from incompatible with democracy – in fact you could say it is an essential link between the voters and those who are supposed to represent them.

      • “In theory, at least, democratically elected governments are supposed to act in the interests of the people of their countries.”

        I agree that’s the theory. 🙂

        It’s pretty easy to show the reverse is true in practice.

        “It is impossible (especially in a country as large as the US) for senior politicians to directly canvass the opinions of the populace on a regular basis and on each topic.”

        Absolutely agree. I’ll make an anarchist out of you yet.

        “Lobbyists are there to facilitate this dialogue and thereby enable decmocracy to work.”

        All Lobbyists? Or some lobbyists?

        Have a think about the Israel Lobby. Have a think about on whose interests they are lobbying, and think about where that fits in to your definition of democracy.

        And think about the roles of corporations. Now, if I’m rich enough, and wave my chequebook about, I can get a sit down dinner with the President, Prime Minister or whoever. Can the poor and disenfranchised do this?

        Democracy in terms of how it works in modern capitalist democracies at least, is rule by the 1%, for the 1%.

        • Avram – I acknowledged in my post that the system is far from perfect. But – and this is the crucial thing – I have yet to see a better system than Western-style democracy. Of course it has its flaws, but it’s the least bad system humanity has yet come up with, so for what it’s worth, it has my vote. *I’m here all week*

          OK – let’s “think about the Israel Lobby”. I presume you don’t deny that some US voters are supporters of Israel. So why should they not try to influence government policy? Similarly, why shouldn’t supporters of cycling, gun ownership, Tibetan independence, nuclear power, vegetarianism or the bald eagle lobby to get their pet cause higher up the government agenda?

          And if you disagree with the cause (as I’m sure you disagree with at least one of the above) you are also entitled to try to persuade policy-makers of your point of view too.

          Democracy in action.

          • What I simply don’t understand is why, for McGreal and his bed-fellows, the US’s “support” of Israel (as if this is unique and to the exclusion of support for everyone else) is only explicable because of some shadowy powerful lobby.

            It couldn’t be for any other reason at all, could it?

            The truth is – of course the lobby makes a difference. If it didn’t, it would be a pretty pathetic lobby, and nobody would pay their bills. But successive US governments have decided that it is in the US’s national interest to support Israel for a vast, complex array of reasons – not just because some Jews in Brooklyn say they should!

            Some of these reasons may (or may not – I have no insight into the US political mind) include:

            – it has an interest to see modern, Western-style democracies succeed, especially in a region with so few of them
            – it supported Israel in direct opposition to Soviet support of Syria and other regional powers
            – it does a lot of business with Israel
            – it believes Israel is a useful tool to use in the power struggle in the ME (particularly against Iran)
            – it considers the main regional players backing the Palestinian cause (Iran and the Assad regime) as enemies, and so backs it’s enemies’ enemies
            – it doesn’t have any time for the terrorists who are “leading”/have “led” the Palestinians
            – it doesn’t think that backing misogynist, homophobic, antisemitic organisations like Hamas/Fatah/Hezbollah is a “good thing”.

            • Another important point in this discussion is the non issue on the Left of inter Arab and Turkish violence which has been going on for decades with millions of dead, and it’s emphasis on Israel. This to me is also a reason to at times ridicule the faux humanism I meet in these threads.The 20000 dead Syrians in these days being a prime example of how the Left suffers under perceptual narrowing.
              When we pause and visualise the mass slaughter and 1,5 million+ refugees in Syria’s communities at this very moment I have a very hard time taking the loud Left posters, half of whom are trolls, seriously. Especially when the race card is played or empathy for ones brothers and sisters is abused.

    • “It’s [Lobbying] certainly a part of the political process. Whether or not it is democratic is of course a matter of debate.”
      Avram, you are once more out of your depth.

      “The Israel lobby is the most visible, and the most crass in its attempts to subvert American politics on behalf of a foreign power. But there are far more powerful domestic lobby groups – the arms lobby being probably the best example – which have a bigger impact on foreign policy.”

      Take a look folks. ‘Tis anti-Semitism 101.

  5. the arms lobby being probably the best example – which have a bigger impact on foreign policy.

    Would agree with that.

  6. “The real existential threat to Israel is not the Iranian bomb..”

    Says you. Something tells me you don’t live in Israel.

    • Yes, Richard A has it all figured out. From the bomb to the peace process. Opinions, everybody has one. They are like ………

  7. Funny, when two anti-Semits discuss their prejudices at CiFWatch.
    It is the prove that at the moment they consider themselves in a strong position again in Europe.
    Time to change that, for once and all.

  8. People like McGreal never get specific about the “power” of the pro-Israel lobby. It’s at best lazy journalism.

  9. Funny how avram and pretzel bend over backwards,
    to accuse others of anti-Arab speech.

    It’s now their best weapon against Zionism. Jews are ‘racist’ if they defend themselves against their Arab enemies.’ We hear this very often: Israel is an ‘apartheid’ state. Racism being in the eye or mind of the beholder.
    J’accuse avram, j’accuse pretzel, j’accuse Arabs.

    • “Funny how avram and pretzel bend over backwards,
      to accuse others of anti-Arab speech.”

      Finding anti-Arab racism on this site is like shooting fish in a barrel. It requires not the least bit of bending.

      “Jews are ‘racist’ if they defend themselves against their Arab enemies.’”

      No, silly. A person, regardless of their faith or nationality, is racist when they make racist comments.

      • “No, silly. A person, regardless of their faith or nationality, is racist when they make racist comments.”

        You mean like, “The Israel lobby is the…most crass in its attempts to subvert American politics on behalf of a foreign power.”
        I’m sure you’ll agree that whoever said that is a real racist, anti-Semitic schmuck.

      • “Finding anti-Arab racism on this site is like shooting fish in a barrel. It requires not the least bit of bending.”

        Avram, finding anti-Semitism here BTL is finding you (shooting yourself).

    • Yeah, never mind Darfur, Kurdistan, gays, women, gays in Arab countries. It’s all about the poor poor Arabs. Sniff.

      • Daniel, could you please explain how violations of human rights in Darfur or Kurdistan give Israeli settlers the right to occupy the territory of their neighbor and to confiscate its land in violation of international law?

        • My point is the Left’s faux humanism and Avrams fetish for nazis.
          You need to read the thread. Before commenting.

    • There’s no bending over backwards necessary in the case of Daniel and his racist hate speech.

      It’s now their best weapon against Zionism.

      What on earth are you barking on about? I have no weapons against Zionism – because I do not oppose Zionism.

      Israel is an ‘apartheid’ state

      I have never said such a thing.

      You may apologise.

      • “Which mental midgets and bigots recommended this filth?”

        Pretzel, you can read, so you know which one. And no, in you’re case I don’t agree with it.