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Glenn Greenwald’s dishonesty on the rights of women and gays in the Mid-East


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In Glenn Greenwald’s latest column at ‘Comment is Free’ (Sam Harris, the New Atheists and anti-Muslim animus, April 3) he attacks the “New Atheists” such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens for promoting what he claims is “Islamophobia under the guise of rational atheism”.  

Greenwald lambasts Harris – and, to a lesser extent, Dawkins and Hitchens – for suggesting that the threat posed by Islamic traditions and doctrines to Western political freedom is greater than that of Christianity and Judaism.

Greenwald’s response includes the following passage, which accurately sums up the gist of his narrative.

One can legitimately criticize Islam without being bigoted or racist. That’s self-evident, and nobody is contesting it. And of course there are some Muslim individuals who do heinous things in the name of their religion just like there are extremists in all religions who do awful and violent things in the name of that religion, yet receive far less attention than the bad acts of Muslims Yes, “honor killings” and the suppression of women by some Muslims are heinous, just as the collaboration of US and Ugandan Christians to enact laws to execute homosexuals is heinous, and just as the religious-driven, violent occupation of Palestineattacks on gays, and suppression of women by some Israeli Jews in the name of Judaism is heinous. That some Muslims commit atrocities in the name of their religion (like some people of every religion do) is also too self-evident to merit debate, but it has nothing to do with the criticisms of Harris.

If you’re wondering how Greenwald backs up his rhetorical inference – that there is moral parity between Muslim countries and Israel regarding the oppression of women and gays – his first link opens to a July 1, 2005 report about a Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade (the previous day) in which one ultra-orthodox man stabbed and lightly wounded three gay participants.

Gay rights in Israel

First, it’s telling that in researching attacks on gays in Israel he had to go back nearly eight years, and chose to focus on one isolated incidence of violence in a country which is – certainly by Mid-East standards and even in comparison to European countries – decidedly gay-friendly. Whilst even in Jerusalem, since the mid 2000’s, the gay pride parade has grown, and has been staged without incident (see CiF Watch’s coverage of last year’s  parade here), in Tel Aviv, as many within the LGBT community knows, they hold one of the most prominent and raucous annual gay pride parades in the world.  In fact, the city was recently voted ‘best gay city’ on a LGBT travel website.  

Additionally, Israeli laws guarantee equal rights for gays.  Israeli gays have represented their country in the Knesset and have been serving openly in the IDF since 1993 (years ahead of the US on such laws). And, in 1994, an Israeli court ruled that same-sex couples are entitled to the same common law benefits as opposite-sex couples.  Israel is also the only country in the Middle East with legal protections for gays from discrimination and hate crimes.

Gay rights in the the Arab and Muslim Middle East

In contrast to Israel, merely engaging in same-sex acts is illegal in most Muslim and Arab countries in the Middle East (including in Gaza), with sentences for such proscribed sexual activity including imprisonment and (in countries like Yemen, Iran and Saudi Arabia) even state execution.  Additionally, gays in some Arab countries are murdered due to their sexuality by extra-judicial “vigilante squads”.  Even in Middle East countries where homosexuality isn’t explicitly outlawed (like in the PA), gays often face harassment, arrests, beatings and even death.

Greenwald’s other link, from the passage cited above, opens to a report on protests by women in Jerusalem over gender based restrictions on davening (praying) at the Kotel (Western Wall).

Women’s rights in Israel: 

Though such issues are of course a legitimate cause for criticism (see our report on the row over praying at the Kotel here), no reasonable person could seriously take issue with the fact that women in Israel enjoy a level of freedom which not only surpasses non-Jewish Middle Eastern countries, but are on par with that of other Western democracies.

Israel codified gender equality within their basic law in 1949 and was the third country in the world to be led by a female prime minister, Golda Meir.  Further, Israeli women continue to be represented in all levels of Israeli society.  They have served as Supreme Court justices, as government ministers, and, in 2013, 23% of the nation’s 120-member Knesset are women.    

As Freedom House reported: “Women have achieved substantial parity at almost all levels of Israeli society“.

Women’s rights in the Arab and Muslim Middle East:

In contrast to Israel, in the Arab and Muslim Middle East discriminatory laws and misogynistic customs are pervasive.  Here are some examples:

In Egypt, spousal rape is not illegal, the penal code allows for leniency in so-called honor killings, and female genital mutilation is still widely practiced.

In Iran, women cannot obtain a passport without the permission of her husband or a male relative, do not enjoy equal rights under Sharia-based statutes governing divorce, inheritance, and child custody, and “a women’s testimony in court is given only half the weight of a man’s”.  

In Saudi Arabia, women are almost completely excluded from the political process, are not allowed to drive a car, and cannot travel within or outside of the country without a male relative. The religious police “enforce a strict policy of gender segregation” and often use physical punishment to ensure that they dress “modestly” in public. 

In the Palestinian territories, due to laws and societal norms derived (or inspired) in part from Sharia, women are also at a disadvantage in matters of marriage, divorce, and inheritance. Rape and domestic abuse are pervasive, and even “honor killings” are not uncommon and are rarely prosecuted. Under Hamas, “women’s dress and movements in public have been increasingly restricted by the so-called morality police”, who are tasked with enforcing orthodox Islamic customs.

A 2010 Freedom House report on systemic gender discrimination in the Middle East noted that the overall conditions for women have actually worsened (since their previous report in 2005) in three places: Iraq, Yemen, and the West Bank and Gaza.

Finally, though most essays published by Greenwald contain serious distortions, the suggestion in his recent post that there is anything resembling moral equivalence between Israel and its Muslim and Arab neighbors in the rights afforded to women and gays is an out-and-out lie – and effectively illustrates the propagandistic style constantly employed by such Guardian Left activists. 

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Map of political freedom in the Mid-East, per the human rights group ‘Freedom House’. (courtesy of CAMERA)

UPDATE: Read a great post on Greenwald’s egregious misrepresentation of Sam Harris’s views here.

45 replies »

  1. “That some Muslims commit atrocities in the name of their religion (like some people of every religion do) is also too self-evident to merit debate, but it has nothing to do with the criticisms of Harris.”
    So no debate about Muslim atrocities, that is his verdict, only about Christian, atheist and Jewish ones, his proposal.
    What a shmuck..

  2. I can understand Israel is Gay friendly but why, even according to its own report it is not friendly to its largest minority who are indigenous to the place – perhaps Israel needs to address this very urgently as the indigenous people who remained are growing in number.

    The Or Commission, set up to explain the October 2000 unrest in many Israeli Arab communities found,
    “The state and generations of its government failed in a lack of comprehensive and deep handling of the serious problems created by the existence of a large Arab minority inside the Jewish state. Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory. The establishment did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action in order to allocate state resources in an equal manner. The state did not do enough or try hard enough to create equality for its Arab citizens or to uproot discriminatory or unjust phenomenon.”[7]
    According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli government had done “little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country’s Arab citizens.”[8] The 2005 US Department of State report on Israel wrote: “[T]he government generally respected the human rights of its citizens; however, there were problems in some areas, including… institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country’s Arab citizens.”[9] The 2010 U.S. State Department Country Report stated that Israeli law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, and that government effectively enforced these prohibitions.[10] Former Likud MK and Minister of Defense Moshe Arens has criticized the treatment of minorities in Israel, saying that they did not bear the full obligation of Israeli citizenship, nor were they extended the full privileges of citizenship.[11]

    • Well done Rafi. You have demonstrated that Israel has some issues to address with equality. Well noone claimed that Israel is a perfect society. It is a normal society, with normal problems common to all democracies.

      This stands to reason, but I will give you just one example (from about 30 seconds’ research on Wikipedia): Turks form the largest ethnic minority group in Turkey, for example. Have you read about the problems they face?

      “For Turks in German society, patterns of discrimination maintain disadvantages of low economic and social status, whilst also restraining social advancement. Despite their long-term residency, Turks continue to face hostility, which has intensified since the mid 1970s. In Germany today, there is an undercurrent of xenophobia in public opinion and an open emphasis on xenophobia in right-wing and neo-Nazi organisations. The wave of xenophobic violence that saw offences treble between 1991 and 1993, claimed several Turkish lives and revealed how excluded and vulnerable non-Germans have remained in German society.[96]

      The number of violent acts by right-wing extremists in Germany increased dramatically between 1990 and 1992.[97] On November 25, 1992, three Turkish residents were killed in a firebombing in Mölln (Western Germany).[98] The attack prompted even further perplexity since the victims were neither refugees nor lived in a hostel.[99] The same was true for the incident in a Westphalian town on May 29, 1993; where another arson attack took place in Solingen on a Turkish family that had resided in Germany for twenty-three years, five of whom were burnt to death.[100] Several neighbours heard someone shout Heil Hitler! before dousing the front porch and door with gasoline and setting the fire to the home.[101] However, most Germans condemned these attacks on foreigners and many marched in candlelight processions.[102]

      Author Greg Nees, writing in 2000, stated that “Because Turks are both darker-skinned and Muslim, conservative Germans are largely against granting them citizenship.”[103]”

      Sounds worse – far worse – than the problems Israeli Arabs face, don’t you think?

      • ” Well noone claimed that Israel is a perfect society. It is a normal society, ”

        Israel is far from being a ‘normal society’. Inequalities and injustices exist in all countries but Israel is perhaps the principal example of a state that openly discriminates on the basis of race/religion, as Rafi’s quotes make clear. Your example of Turks in Germany is wide of the mark. Turks are discriminated against by individual Germans; Israeli Arabs are discriminated against in law and by state institutions.

        • Sencar: “Israeli Arabs are discriminated against in law and by state institutions.”

          Care to elaborate? Specifics?

          • “Care to elaborate? Specifics?”
            You need look no further for the general case than Rafi’s post above. The Or Commission and the US State Department, neither known as anti-Semitic bodies, clearly agree with me. If you really want more detailed examples I will, as ever, be happy to give them.

            • I see…
              So you, anti-Semitic pillock that you are(“Jews financed the Fraser case”) would agree then with the 2010 US State Dept. report which confirmed this:

              The 2010 U.S. State Department Country Report stated that Israeli law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, and that government effectively enforced these prohibitions

              Fascinating. First time we’ve agreed on anything!
              I feel a little dizzy now…

        • You have the situation exactly backwards. Israeli Arabs (and others) might be discriminated by on a personal basis by individual citizens, as happens everywhere in the world, but they are absolutely equal in law and in treatment by state institutions.

        • “Inequalities and injustices exist in all countries but Israel is perhaps the principal example of a state that openly discriminates on the basis of race/religion”

          Your view of the world at large must be extremely narrow. What an irresponsibly ignorant comment.

          • Yes, that comment made me laugh out loud. The “principal example”! The number of examples of explicit state discrimination is multifarious, but here’s just one: Saudi Arabia – where the Mutaween or Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) prohibits the practice of any religion other than Islam. Conversion of a Muslim to another religion is considered apostasy, a crime punishable by death if the accused does not recant. The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services.

            Yes, sencar, Israel is clearly far worse than that!

      • “…perhaps Israel needs to address this very urgently as the indigenous people who remained are growing in number.” half mizrable

        Hey, mizrable, Arabs are indigenous to Arabia. You need to address your mental troubles very urgently. But your ignorance is incurable.

  3. That some Muslims commit atrocities in the name of their religion (like some people of every religion do) is also too self-evident to merit debate

    But still, let us just concentrate on Judaism.

    The Left has totally lost their moral compass (if they had any in the first place).

    BTW, I read that Brian Whitaker has retired. Is this true or has he found a full time job with Hamas?

  4. Labenal I am glad you want to talk about Turkey – Please write a blog and we will discuss it – I thought the blog was discussing how Israel is been castigated for its discriminatory behavior somebody pointed out that it behaves very well towards its Gays, all I am saying why is it so racist towards its indigenous people. I am quite happy to discuss many other things but Turkey is not we are discussing here. I do know quite a lot about Turkey. Turkey is also behaving very badly towards the Kurds and the Armenians but it is difficult to discuss everything in one place.

    Incidentally, I think Turkey historically has been very good towards the Jews, particularly those escaping pogroms in Europe, particularly Nationalists like Ataturk.

    Another example of the way Israel discriminates against its indigenous Palestinians

    Racism in soccer stadiums is a worldwide problem, and Israeli stadiums are not free from racism.[102] The first racist incidents took place in the 1970s, when the Arab player Jimmy Turk joined Hapoel Tel Aviv. Turk was subjected to anti-Arab abuse during nearly every game he played.[101] Arab soccer player Abbas Suan was confronted once with a sign reading “Abbas Suan, you don’t represent us”.[103] Under Israeli law, soccer fans can be prosecuted for incitement of racial hatred. The “New Voices from the Stadium” program, run by the New Israel Fund (NIF) amasses a “racism index” that is reported to the media on a weekly basis, and teams have been fined and punished for the conduct of their fans. According to Steve Rothman, the NIF San Francisco director, “Things have definitely improved, particularly in sensitizing people to the existence of racism in Israeli society.”[102] In 2006, Israel joined Football Against Racism in Europe (FARE), network set up to counter racism in soccer.[104]
    After a soccer game in March 2012, in which Beitar Jerusalem F.C. defeated a rival team at Jerusalem’s Teddy Stadium,[105] a group of at least a hundred Beitar fans[106][107][108] entered the nearby Malha Mall chanting racist slogans and allegedly attacked Arab cleaning workers, whom some reports described as Palestinians. The police were criticized for initially failing to make arrests;[109] it later investigated the incident, issuing restraining orders against 20 soccer fans and questioning several suspects among the cleaning crew seen waving sticks at the fans.[110]

    • Your post Rafi reminds me the well known story about the anti-Semite professor who complains that the Jews are cheating at the exams. When someone says that every student do some cheating his answer: Maybe so but now we are discussing the Jews…

    • Rafi, I agree with you. As one who grew up on Turk and and later watched Walid Badir and many other talented players do magic with football.
      Many of my childhood memories are of Zouheir Bhaloul commentry as a leading sport analyst.
      Yes, Scum exist everywhere and we need to tackle them again and again.
      But saying it is institutionalised in Israel more than it is else where in the world is not being an honest broker!
      The amount of Racism you view in football matches throughout Europe is disgusting!
      Kids as young as 6 are being brain washed into this whether in Poland, Ukraine or the UK, to name but a few.

      I like to end up with his Zouheir’s statement from January this year regarding Beytar:

      “I know it’s not easy for an Arab player to pick up the gauntlet and play on a team that does not want him. But the time has arrived to say no to racism.”
      –Leading Arab-Israeli sports commentator Zouheir Bahloul on whether Arabs should play on the racist Beitar Jerusalem soccer team.**

      http://peacenow.org/entries/news_nosh_012813_1

      I’d like to point out that there are many Beytar supporters who are not racist and would like to kick out that image which have been staining their club.
      Just like the Barcelona image 30 years ago so can this one go.

    • Rafi – you really ought to read first, post later. My post was a general post, and used GERMANY, not TURKEY as a random example.

      My point stands, however. Of course discrimination exists in Israel. BUT IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVED (as it is in some other states) and IT EXISTS EVERYWHERE – and Israel is far from the worst example. That does not mean Israelis should be complacent about it. On the contrary, I admire those Israelis who campaign and work for better understanding between ethnicities and other groups in Israel, as I do those who work for the same goal in other countries.

      But discrimination in Israel is NOT an international issue, worthy of endless discussion in the world media, any more than discrimination against “non-natives” in Guam is, or discrimination against black people in Britain is, or discrimination against Turks in Germany, or discrimination against Serbs in Croatia, or against Croats in Serbia, or …

  5. Egypt just opposed a human rights treaty because men would no longer be able to rape their wives. There is no moral equivalence and it is people like Greenwald who perpetuates not just discrimination but absolute horrors.

  6. I want to be very clear Peter, the Professor is being anti-Semitic. No question about that.

    There is some merit in discussing Israel and Racism because bigotry within Israel or lack of it is the subject of this blog. What differentiates Racism in Israel from some of the examples given is that it is very institutionalized in the discourse within the structures of the State. For example, Israel as a Jewish state, the issue of Nakba that those who feel for that history are not allowed to mark it openly without being penalised. The oath of allegiance to a Jewish State by those who are not Jewish. The rights are defined by ethnicity. You might be able to justify these features of the state on the basis that some other states do the same and you may be right. However, it still leaves States practicing these features racist. We can discuss Germany if you want in which case write a blog on the racism in Germany and we can discuss that.

    Very few States today have such a high proportion of their population who feel feel discriminated as Israel. In Israel, over 20% of the population, most of them indigenous feel discriminated. If you include all the lands that Israel administers the proportion is almost 50%. Turks in Germany are no more than 5% of the population and they are not indigenous to Germany. Most of the non-Jewish administered by Israel are under military rule. Almost all indigenous people living in Palestine were under military rule until 1960.

    • Rafi, Now, i don’t disagree with your assesment entirely but you make it too much of a clear cut matter.
      I didn’t need to swear any oath to no one.
      Neither did my kids.
      Neither did my Alawites neighbours.
      I will be far less welcomed in buying a property in Sachnin (for example) than they will be to buy a property in Kfar Vradim.
      So, who’s being racist?
      Who wishes to carry on with the separation?

      You also forgot to mention the most important matter of all.
      Israel (or Palestine) is under constant attack for the good part of the last 90 years.
      I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
      Just like Lebanon observe wide range of cultural / religious segragation so does Israel.
      It’s enough to see the tensions in Yaffo or in Schem gate to understand.

    • Listen Abdul/Jabal, aka the Man of Lahore:
      Trolling is one thing, lies are another.
      At no point did Israel forbid “marking the Nakba”.
      It was decided however that no state funds will be allocated to these demonstrations, just as no other country would finance those who consider its existence a lamentable fact.
      But hey, I’d much rather discuss Pakistan. You left quite a lot of questions unanswered about your own country, including the very fact that, Lo’ and Behold:
      That any person taking up Pakistani citizenship, has to swear allegiance to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan; tough luck if he’s not a Muslim, right?

    • What differentiates Racism in Israel from some of the examples given is that it is very institutionalized in the discourse within the structures of the State.
      Exactly the opposite Rafi. Racism sadly exist in Israel not in the structures of the state but on “street level”. The examples you mentioned didn’t materialized exactly due to the intervention of the state structures, like the High Court, the Knesset, the government and the attorney general.
      We can discuss Germany if you want in which case write a blog on the racism in Germany and we can discuss that.
      Rafi the subject of this blog is Greenwald’s and the Guardian’s bigotry and vicious hate of Israel and the US so using your own argument why are you writing here anything about Israeli racism?? And sadly you can’t understand, study, analyze or debate about any subject without context. Just an example – could you debate about the destruction of Dresden by the allies without speaking about WWII?
      The rights are defined by ethnicity.
      Rafi you must be joking. (I hope this is just ignorance and not some Sencar, Briggs -or whatever s/he is calling him/herself now- like Iranian propaganda.
      Very few States today have such a high proportion of their population who feel feel discriminated as Israel. In Israel, over 20% of the population, most of them indigenous feel discriminated.
      Not very few but zero states exist today who treats its minorities so generously, democratically and tolerantly as Israel taking into account our common history.
      BTW the number you mentioned it is incorrect. The rate of the potentially disaffected groups (Muslim and Christian Arabs) is much less than 20% and please notice the word “potentially”. Many of them are proud Israelis and wouldn’t change their present status for being citizens in a Palestinian majority country.

  7. Is it not proposed and was approved by the cabinet – remember I am talking about the discourse within structures of the State.

    Also, you are right Israeli state has been challenged since its formation for its racism and discriminatory behavior to its indigenous Arabs but that is no excuse to be racist. In fact it is exactly the opposite. It is Racism emanating from the state that generates challenges to the Israeli state

    On 10 October 2010 the Israeli cabinet approved a loyalty oath bill requiring all future non-Jews applying for an Israeli citizenship to swear loyalty to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.[20] However, on October 18, current prime minister Netanyahu ordered Justice minister Ya’akov Ne’eman to extend Cabinet-level debate on the bill in order to add amendments which make the loyalty oath universal to both Jewish and non-Jewish immigrants who seek citizenship.[21] This inclusion of Jewish immigrants was supported by the Anti-Defamation League.[22]

    • “On 10 October 2010 the Israeli cabinet approved a loyalty oath” This was never implemented. The Knesset quickly put a total end to it, but don’t let that get in the way of your propaganda.

    • “Also, you are right Israeli state has been challenged since its formation for its racism and discriminatory behavior to its indigenous Arabs but that is no excuse to be racist.”
      What a bunch of complete bunkum. It was attacked for being Jewish and not Arab.

    • Rafi: “It is Racism emanating from the state that generates challenges to the Israeli state”.

      I disagree, it is the other way around – it is the challenges faced by the Israeli state – the existential threats from its neighbours who wish to destroy Jewish sovereignty and Israel’s Jewish inhabitants, that cause friction and distrust among Israeli Arabs and Jews.

      What is to Israel’s credit is that it remains a democracy with the rule of law that applies to all its citizens, despite the challenging circumstances that can bring fascist and racist tendancies to the fore in other societies. (Just look at the popularity of racist parties like Golden Dawn in Greece or Jobik in Hungary -where the economic crises in these two countries pale into insignificance in comparison to Israel’s perpetual state of existential danger.)

    • Don`t deflect from the racism, homophobia, antisemitism and misogyny of your Arab friends.

  8. Greenwald’s column places him firmly in the “as-a-Jew” camp. Like them, he believes it is all those other Jews who are such horrors, while he and those like him are the good Jews, supporting any and every attack on Israel and Judaism.

  9. Dave if in Britain, the cabinet approved that those acquiring British Nationality have to take an oath to Christian Kingdom. Can you imagine the uproar. I will ignore your bits about propaganda. Certainly, the uproar would be very loud. I doubt even UKIP would propose anything of the kind even for their front bench to discuss.

    • What an awful analogy. Israel is not a theocracy, no matter how hard you try to present it as one. England has an official church and the head of that church is head of state. Most people there are English and the sensibilities forming the laws of the state come handed down from an Anglo/Saxon Christian tradition. New citizens must swear their allegiance to that state.
      The more interesting question would be, can you imagine if Britain, Israel, the US and the west in general discriminated against, prosecuted and punished people, for apostasy, adultery and other such “medieval” practices as do the repressive Arab and Muslim hellholes you wish to draw our attention away from?

  10. I hate to inform Greenwald, but there are individuals who have no particular religious affiliation who discriminate and/or commit crimes against gays, and members of religious and ethnic groups. The question is whether those acts are condemned or condoned by the states in which they occur and those societies at large. He is simply muddying the waters with some all societies are equal nonsense. He does this to have the “freedom” to lambaste free societies while giving a passes to oppressive ones. Moron.

  11. Jeff – you say Israel is not a theocracy – may be not – but it is certainly racist within its structures of state

    But it would be interesting to know why you think it is not a theocracy because it not only calls itself Jewish it demands that others recognize it as Jewish. It claims Israel on the basis that God gave them this land. Does that not make it a theocracy? Finally, Is Iran a theocracy as it calls itself Islamic?

    Would be an interesting answer Jeff.

    • Rafi you just successfully changed your status from a benevolent ignorant to a vicious and witless hater.
      But it would be interesting to know why you think it is not a theocracy because it not only calls itself Jewish it demands that others recognize it as Jewish.
      Let me inform you that being Jewish has nothing to do with religion. Jews are members of nation and a culture.
      It claims Israel on the basis that God gave them this land.
      Really? Where did you learn this? In the Guardian? In the Hamas charter?
      The Jews claim Israel based on the simple fact that they have been living here in the last some thousand years with or without any divine intervention.
      Is Iran a theocracy as it calls itself Islamic?
      Yes Rafi Iran is a textbook example of a theocracy not because the majority of its population are Muslims, but because their society is based on unconditional submission to its religious leaders, because their brutal oppression of everyone not belonging to the Shia branch of the Muslim religion and their society is based on medieval moral and social principles.

      • PTH, agreed. Disappointing that Rafi turns out to be another dogmatic, bigoted and predictable Israel hater. For a minute I thought there was a genuine debate with someone who held opposing opinions but was open to reasoned argument.

    • “it would be interesting to know why you think it is not a theocracy ”
      Simple answer to that one: because it isn’t. Do you know what a theocracy is? It would be uninteresting for you to answer as none of your comments are truthful.

      Why do all your sock puppets keep using “may be” for “maybe?” “Maybe” it’s time for you to get “the structures of the state” of your dismal spelling in order.

    • “… but it is certainly racist within its structures of state” ralf mizerable

      You are moronic within the intestines of your brain.

  12. Peter I learnt that God gave this land to us from no other than Ben-Gurion – He is wrong to say their God is not ours because it actually is Muslims are also monotheistic and follow Abraham in praying to the same God – but you will be surprised to learn that even Muslims think God gave you the land so do not panic

    “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
    David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

    • you are so generous proving my allegations regarding your true qualities in no time..
      …but you will be surprised to learn that even Muslims think God gave you the land so do not panic
      You will be surprised Rafi to learn that I don’t give a broken bedpan about what the Muslims or anybody else think in this matter. (naturally you are included).
      The only ones who have the reason to panic are your kind of losers.
      And now the Ben-Gurion part:
      Goldmann, a jealous rival and critic of Ben Gurion’s, had often blamed him for Arab hostility toward Israel. This verbatim statement taken from a conversation in the 1950’s was, interestingly, not published by Goldmann during Ben Gurion’s lifetime — when the Israeli leader could have disputed it — but only after he died. Nor does any record or recording substantiate its veracity. This unsubstantiated quote is one favored on extreme anti-Zionist Web sites specializing in attributing bogus anti-Arab statements to Israeli leaders.
      Thank you for showing the readers your sources of knowledge Rafi.