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The Guardian or PressTV? Iran’s president to export the Islamic Revolution ‘peacefully’


If you were to glance at the Guardian’s home page today, you’d be treated to the following featured story:

iran

So, apparently, the newly sworn-in Iranian president is launching a “peace” agenda.  

Interestingly, if you open the link on the Guardian graphic you get a report by  titled ‘Hassan Rouhani sworn in as president of Iran, urging moderation and respect‘ – indicating that the home page title was the creation of a Guardian editor, and not the author.  Dehghan’s piece is actually a pretty straight forward assessment, simply repeating the highlights of Rouhani’s speech.

However, here’s the passage of Rouhani’s speech highlighted by Dehghan which likely inspired the Guardian headline about the new “peace agenda”:

Rouhani said Iranians sought “peace” and “stability” in their region and across the world and said Tehran was against “foreign intervention” in any country. 

Pardon our cynicism, but it seems reasonable to ask if, as part of Rouhani’s new campaign for peace, the Islamic Republic will indeed stop providing money, arms and personnel to the Syrian army – support which has perpetuated the unimaginable bloodshed in a more than two-year long civil war.

Similarly, we can be forgiven for remaining skeptical that the new peace campaign will bring an end to a foreign policy which bestows upon Iran the distinction of being arguably the largest exporter of terror around the globe – which includes crucial support for Islamist terror movements such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

And, those genuine peace advocates among us may reasonably believe that it strains credulity to imagine a brave, new ‘dovish’ Islamist regime which will suddenly cease in its coordinated campaign of antisemitic propaganda, which includes Holocaust denial and incitement to genocide.

So, while continuing to export the Islamic Revolution by providing a military lifeline to the butcher in Damascus and sending sophisticated weapons to terror movements in Lebanon and Gaza, thus helping to destabilize the region, we are being asked to believe that the new President will, nonetheless, emphatically oppose all forms of “foreign intervention”.

Iranian imperialism with a ‘smiling face’, courtesy of the Guardian. 

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  1. If the ‘new’ President of Iran wants to build confidence that he really supports a peace agenda.

    All he has to do is start with a few minor confidence building measures.
    For example, stop immediately their rush towards building nuclear weapons, end their support for the Syrian regime, end their support for terrorist groups in Lebanon and Gaza, and of course stop calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.

    When those few things happen, then I’ll start to consider if he really wants to follow an agenda for peace.

  2. I’m sure that you are far too shrewd to even contemplate his peaceful intent no matter what he says or does. We already have the history of the new president of Iran and his deceit of 2003 that beguiled the West so artfully.

  3. This could be a mistranslation ..it is not the wound that is Israel. It is the wound from Israel according to some sources. This could be a very positive statement it could mean he wishes the entire problem caused by Israeli/Iranian difficulties.

    I realise this is not helpful for those wishing to portray Iranians as hapless anti semites and Israelis as vulnerable but there are other explanations apart from they hate us they hate us

  4. In case anyone thought, or hoped, that former President Ahmadinejad would vanish.
    No he has just been appointed to the “Expediency Council”
    From ‘Iran Daily’

    “Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei appointed former Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the Expediency Council.
    In a decree on Monday, the Leader appointed Ahmadinejad to the council on the grounds of his ‘invaluable efforts’ during his two terms as president, Mehr News Agency reported.
    In a meeting with Ahmadinejad and the administration’s cabinet members on July 14, the Leader praised their efforts.
    “Some even deny the administration’s concrete actions, but what matters is that the efforts and attempts be expressed and recorded in the country’s public scene,” Ayatollah Khamenei stated.
    Ahmadinejad was replaced by Iran’s new president Hassan Rohani who was endorsed by Ayatollah Khamenei on Saturday. He took the oath of office on Sunday at the Majlis. ”

    So what has changed in Iran?
    Sod All!

  5. i believe that iran should respect all international laws and respect to all nations, also i believe a huge majority of our nation(iranian) respected to all these, i do hope to reach to a very peaceful point that all countries stop producing weapons and invest in agriculture, education, illnesses, progress, and so on.

  6. Gerald, you really do have some very good idea. I think Iran should stop its nuclear program but only as soon as Israel dismantles its nuclear arsenal so that it can live in peace with its neighbors.

    • “Gerald, you really do have some very good idea.”

      Wow! ‘Isac’ praise from you can my day get any better I ask myself.
      Sadly and predictably your post goes downhill rapidly from there.

      “I think Iran should stop its nuclear program..”
      When inflation in Iran is running at 25% – 30%, or perhaps higher, then for the sake of the Iranian people as well as peace it should stop its rush towards nuclear weapons.

      “..Israel dismantles its nuclear arsenal so that it can live in peace with its neighbors.”
      It is not the, alleged, possession of a nuclear arsenal that stops Israel’s neighbours from living at peace with it. Israel’s neighbours were hostile to its very existence and attacking Israel long before Israel, allegedly, possessed a nuclear arsenal.

    • Israel doesn’t go around threatening her neighbors with missiles, Isac. Something you casually forgot to address probably because you really don’t care about that. What you do care about is that Israel exists, and can defend itself, so, yes, the Middle East can’t seem to adjust. Those poor anti-Israel people. I feel for them like I feel for my migraines.

  7. Well in an act of love, peace and humanity Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air flight from Tehran, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, via Bandar Abbas, Iran. On 3 July 1988, at the end of the Iran–Iraq War, the aircraft serving the flight, an Airbus A300B2-203, was shot down by United States missiles fired by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes as it flew over the Strait of Hormuz. The aircraft, which had been flying in Iranian airspace over Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, was destroyed. All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, perished.[1] Ranking seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world.[2] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[3]

    So why does Iran need to defend itself more than anybody else?

    • At the time Iran Air 655 was shot down the Iranians were attacking and mining international shipping. The USS VIncennes was involved in a contact with IRGC fast patrol vessels at the time its crew mistakenly identified the aircraft as an F14.

      So if you actually look at what happened you can see that the passengers and crew of Iran Air 655 died because the Khomeini regime resorted to piracy in the Gulf.

  8. Isac/liar/Peter Ounce/Islamabadi/diane/dianeshammes/Angel/Rafi aka Nazisse Sharon/Jane/Catherine/Samantha aka HarpalSingh/AaronPatel/AnrewBird/Jeremy Bowles/AlanThornton/NS-Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek keeps repeating lies ad nauseam

  9. Apart from Iran’s “involvement” in Aza and Lebabon ( introducing the new idea of ‘peace by car bomb and mass murder’ in the early 80’s. Copyright Iran ) and of course the All Syrian massacre. We also find them making “peace” in Yemen, Sudan, Sinai/Egypt, Afghanistan, India, Thailand, Bulgaria. There was the machine gunning of those considered worthy in the Mykonos Restaurant in Berlin. It would be no stretch to say Iran is involved in Saudi, the GCC and of course Iraq BIG TIME.
    This takes me back to the Cold War when all the Eastern Bloc leaders were talking about was making peace with the world. All the while keeping millions under arms at home, making peace from Angola to Nicaragua and Afghanistan and machine gunning people at the Berlin Wall.
    But what they really meant was “peace”.

  10. we are being asked to believe that the new President will, nonetheless, emphatically oppose all forms of “foreign intervention”.

    Not really. The “foreign intervention” bit is in quotes.

  11. I thought the Iranians always opposed interventions – It is the US that is keen to intervene everywhere ,and of course its proxy Israel, in the region. Now remind me, how many wars these two Nuclear friends in crime have been involved in in the region over the last 6 decades? Almost every one, including the one between Iran and Iraq had something to do with US supplying Saddam the Chemical weapons to seduce him into attacking Iran. Than the US had to go and kill a million Iraqis because Saddam had Chemical weapons. Remind me never to take sweets from an American. Having given me the sweet, his next step will be to punch me for having a sweet. The funny bit is the two criminal nuclear power have caused so much destruction in the region but they do not even belong to the region.

    • You do know, I’m sure, that more than half the Jewish population of Israel are “expelees” from the Arab world or their heirs. They had few other places that would accept 850,000 of them as refugees. Their homes, lands, businesses were all essentially confiscated all,I would say, out of revenge for the humiliating defeat that five Arab armies suffered at the hands of the Israelis in 1948. You skilfully say that the Jews were “involved” in six decades of wars or suggest that Israel is a nuclear power. If she is a nuclear power, I have never heard her admit it or threaten anyone with it. Who “involved” the Israelis in wars? Exactly what region do the Jews belong in? I hope that your mother explained to you that no one gives you anything, including sweets, for nothing. Either you are deceiving yourself or trying to deceive us.

      • “So what are they doing in Syrian and Lebanon?”

        Taking knitting courses and spreading the peaceful message.
        Oh, and they’re also popping in to get some pickles from “Um Kibinimat” shop in the baqaa. It goes great with humous and chips you know.

  12. ‘the one between Iran and Iraq had something to do with US supplying Saddam the Chemical weapons to seduce him into attacking Iran’.

    Iraq got its chemical weapons from German firms, and the munitions that dropped them from the Russians.

    It helps if you aren’t actually ignorant. you know.

    • It helps if you aren’t actually ignorant. you know
      Not if you’re playing the role of wind-up merchant.

      I was prepared to give Roger P the benefit of the doubt at first, but since he’s playing the same dishonest-arguing games as his buddies (or possibly his sock puppets, but so far his style is somewhat different), then it’s pretty clear he’s not interested in a real discussion.

      • ” he’s not interested in a real discussion.”

        From someone who made up that Rouhani shouted ” Death to Israel ” then, when challenged , equivocated about whether he started the chant , it is a little rich to say others are not having a real discussion.

        He has already wrong-footed the west if you saw todays news. I wish him well .He is smart, wise , looks great ( and yes this matters after the ill , unshaven -looking Ahmadenijad) and the war mongers have missed their opportunity. Its too late .

        • from someone who made up that Rouhani shouted ” Death to Israel ”

          No, I did not say, “Rouhani shouted ‘Death to Israel’ ” I merely challenged your claim that (and I quote your comment):

          “This could be a mistranslation ..it is not the wound that is Israel. It is the wound from Israel according to some sources. This could be a very positive statement b>it could mean he wishes the entire problem caused by Israeli/Iranian difficulties.

          In response, I quoted some chanting from that very same ceremony–not heckling, but organized audience chanting–that directly contradicted your fluffy-bunny interpretation of what Rouhani said. I did not say that Rouhani shouted it. Furthermore, when I saw that you had understood what I wrote to mean Rouhani said it, I clarified my comment.

          At the time I was still giving you the benefit of the doubt, but now I understand that you were misunderstanding willfully. Since you have proven yourself to be a dishonest debater, I’m sure you’ll find a way to twist this comment as well.

          • “Since you have proven yourself to be a dishonest debater, I’m sure you’ll find a way to twist this comment as well.”

            So long as you accept Rouhani did not chant ” Death to Israel ” as you implied ( not shouted I apologise ) then we have no problem. Earlier I showed that senior Israelis have been threatening Iran …hence many ordinary Iranians could well see Israel as the enemy. You hate your enemy…you shout things. This happens. The expression “get over it and start to think about peace behind the 67 lines is the one I am thinking of.”

            • Well, idiot, as you defend the Antisemitism of the Iranian regime – “this happens”, as you write – and denounce Israel, the question remains, why do you “think” this is your business? Self empowered or Iranian?

            • “The Zionist regime has been a wound on the body of the Islamic world for years and the wound should be removed.” that was what he said . later the agancy that quoted him said it had quoted him incorrectly.
              How convinient iran leaders are allway misunderstood.

  13. Sackcloth and Ashes What is with facts that they are so alien to the Zionists they deny everything. Do you exist?

    But nevertheless here is the truth

    US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.
    As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.
    The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.
    They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.
    The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.
    At the very least, it is highly embarrassing for 70-year-old Mr Rumsfeld, who is the most powerful and vocal of all the hawks surrounding President Bush.
    He bitterly condemns Saddam as a ruthless and brutal monster and frequently backs up his words by citing the use of the very weapons which it now appears he helped to supply.
    The question is: Why has he never said anything about his role in the negotiations?
    ‘Donald Rumsfeld has some explaining to do,’ a senior Pentagon official said last night, while Congressional sources said that a Senate Committee was considering opening hearings to investigate exactly what happened.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz2bCNJ3h3p
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  14. Sackcloth & ashes but of course Rumsfeld denies it so that must be true.
    n the late 1970’s, it was actually the German firm ‘Karl Kobe’ that sold Iraq the ingredients for it’s first chemical weapons. Karl Kobe and others sold Iraq over 1,027 tons of the chemicals needed to produce mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and various tear gasses including CS and CN. The chemical weapons program was operational by late 1983/early 1984.
    Iraq then bought botulin toxin and mycotoxin from a total of 5 other German firms to begin a germ/biological weapons program.
    The United States CDC (Center for Disease Control) provided Iraq with biological samples up until 1989 for “Medical research and other purposes”. The US supplied anthrax, West Nile virus, botulism, and Brucella melitensis to Iraq for little or no charge. ( that was nice of us, huh?)
    The United Kingdom paid, in full, for the Iraqi chlorine plant where mustard gas was manufactured.
    Brazil provided around 100 tons of mustard gas in the early 80’s before the British funded plant was up and running.
    Singapore and India provided the ingredients for VX nerve agent and yet still more Tabun.
    Egypt and Spain both provided the majority of Iraq’s munitions that were designed to carry and disperse the chemical weapons.
    In 1984, a CIA leak reported to the Washington Post that the CIA was providing intel to the Iraqis, including the targeting information and coordinates where Iraq used it’s chemical weapons against Iran.
    So, as you can see, damn near the whole world pitched in and essentially helped to create our own monster.
    Source(s):
    Former US Marine
    Nuclear Biological Chemical Defense Specialist
    OIF Veteran

    What else is denied?

    Howard Teicher, an Iraq specialist in the Reagan White House, testified in a 1995 affidavit that the then CIA director, William Casey, used a Chilean firm, Cardoen, to send cluster bombs to use against Iran’s “human wave” attacks.

    A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department.

    Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (£930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical warfare.

    The only occasion that Iraq’s use of banned weapons seems to have worried the Reagan administration came in 1988, after Lt Col Francona toured the battlefield on the al-Faw peninsula in southern Iraq and reported signs of sarin gas.

    “When I was walking around I saw atropine injectors lying around. We saw decontamination fluid on vehicles, there were no insects,” said Mr Francona, who has written a book on shifting US policy to Iraq titled Ally to Adversary. “There was a very quick response from Washington saying, ‘Let’s stop our cooperation’ but it didn’t last long – just weeks.”

    • do you have any links to these happening’s other than Tom’s Dispatch and Assange’s gimp ? One former Marine shall not suffice in this matter. Some German’s did supply Saddam with missile part’s and chemical’s. And they went to jail for it. But none of this explains why similar barbaric behavior was being seen in non US aligned Arab nation’s. Never mind Turkey. Sudan.
      The idea that it is the West’s fault that Iran is what it is and other ME charlie-foxtrot’s. As can be seen in Egypt. It simply ain’t that easy.

      • As I told you, look through the documents and tell me which one points to the US supplying chemical and biological weapons to Iraq in the 1980s.

        This is not about what Rumsfeld is or isn’t saying. It’s about what is in the declassified documents in the National Security Archive. Read through them, and tell me which ones back up your BS.

  15. The Diane Shammas affiliated Group – or identical with her – of Isac/liar/Peter Ounce/Islamabadi/diane/dianeshammes/Angel/Rafi aka Nazisse Sharon/Jane/Catherine/Samantha aka HarpalSingh/AaronPatel/AnrewBird/Jeremy Bowles/AlanThornton/NS-Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek repeats lies ad nauseam

  16. I am with Eisenhower I blame the Military Industrial Complex –
    Kumbunwa and thank you for this invitation. It is a special honor for me to visit Japan. Here in Hiroshima we are most reminded of the horrors of war. Here we have a chance to reflect on the fact that there is no “good war”. We are reminded that nations do not win or lose wars. Wars cause the suffering of common people and makes rich people richer. Money wins wars, people lose wars. That is why President Eisenhauer warned about the power of the military-industrial complex. It is a power we were reminded of by Oliver Stone earlier today. It is this complex that was enriched as US taxpayers were left with 3 trillion dollars more in debt due to the criminal war on Iraq. And it was the same Truman that lied publicly about why he created the catastrophes of Hiroshima and Nagazaki and also the catastrophe (Nakba) of Palestine.

    War, as General Butler correctly observed, war is a racket. It is a way to make money for rich people at the expense of poor people. And that is why wars will continue unless common people revolt to stop them. And we the people were able to stop wars before for example in Vietnam and in South Africa. It is this power of the people that I am most optimistic about.

    I am one of 12 million Palestinians in the world, 2/3rd of us are refugees or displaced people and the rest live under rule of a foreign government. How did this come about and how can we stop this war on the people?

    Palestinians are the endogenous people of the Western Part of the Fertile Crescent in Western Asia. Key milestones in human civilization occurred in this Land of Canaan: animal and plant domestication, development of the alphabet, and development of laws and religions.

    We had over 11,000 years of civilization with religious and cultural developments. Short attempts to transform Palestine into one thing or another failed. This included short lived attempts to make it all Christian or make it all Muslim or make it all Jewish. The European crusades were a good examples of this. But for 97% of our history, Palestine remained mutli-religious and mutli-cultural.

    Since the late 19th century, the new political idea of Zionism was developed to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine. At that time less than 3% of the population in Palestine was Jewish. This Zionist colonization was aided by western countries notably England and more recently the USA.

    • “I am one of 12 million Palestinians in the world, 2/3rd of us are refugees or displaced people and the rest live under rule of a foreign government. How did this come about and how can we stop this war on the people?”

      For one thing, you can encourage your leaders to accept the peace process and actually work towards a stat that your No. 1 Enemy has, for the better part of 2 decades, acknowledged the urge to work towards. Instead, what your leaders have done, is perpetuate your constant state of flux. And, naturally, die with $1 billion in a Swiss bank account.

      Do you want me to feel sorry for you? Well, you’ve got some empathy from me, but that only goes so far. You are still a refugee? Sorry, not Israel’s fault. Speak to your family. Talk to Arabia. They were instrumental in that bag of goods you were supposedly born without.

      At the end of the day, the answer is in Oslo. What we Zionists bled and died for, including our primary leader who brought us down this path towards compromise. Stop looking at this gift horse in its mouth, and start pressuring those you have the ear of– your family, your friend, and your leaders– into accepting a peaceful resolution. Israel is not going anywhere. You can have something, but you can’t have it all. And when you start thinking like that, then you begin to realize how close to a resolution you happen to be.

    • Ismail:

      “…plant domestication…” That occured naturaly in Eastern Turkey you idiot.

    • Any refugee who get a citizentship is no longer a refugee. The same way Jews from arabs countries are no longer refugees. Same way millions of refugees from Europe after WW2 are no longer refugees
      Why are the Palesinians any different. Get a life in the countries you live in like all refgees in the world did .

  17. We all arrange facts and our perceptions of facts to suit our own needs, but I would suggest to you that your fixation on your refugee status and a nakba for 650,000 has destroyed now millions of Palestian Arab lives. Note that the Jews expelled from Arab countries were there long before there were Muslims or often even Arabs in those countries. But they are now more than half the Jewish population of Israel and while life is still not perfect for them, it is difficult to find one who still refers to himself as a refugee. Their family lands stolen from them were four or five times the size of Israel. Good mental health says, “Stop thinking of yourself as a refugee. Maybe your grandfather was, but you’re not.”

  18. You’re denying these Arab losers a very profitable livelihood, Emanuel. They must bless Allah and UNRWA each and every day that the Jews came back to Palestine.
    And of course they live in hope that one day they will share in the spoils of a defeated Israel, property, goods and women…

  19. Of course, ultimately UNRWA has been a curse to all concerned except its employees; but it has been a curse mostly to the poor PalArabs who have been trapped there by the Arab League ‘statesmanship’, ‘strategic thinking’ and low cunning. Somehow, it all reminds me of flies or mice trapped on sticky paper.

  20. Emanuel are you suggesting that UNRWA adopt the Zionist policy of genocide for the refugees instead of providing them refuge. Not going to work in the 21st Century as Zionists are beginning to learn. As for peace, the Palestinians have not got a partner for peace. How can Palestinians make peace with someone who is destroying Palestinian Houses as it talks about peace. Who is yet to acknowledge where its own borders are? Who refuses to accept the existence of the Palestinians? Peace is a comedy made in Hollywood. Presidents come and go. The same racist rhetoric continues.

    • “As for peace, the Palestinians have not got a partner for peace.”
      Yet Ismail later in your post you write,
      “Peace is a comedy made in Hollywood.”
      If you think ‘peace’ is a comedy that hardly makes you a partner for peace does it?

      • Gerald, Ismail also wrote this:

        “Presidents come and go. The same racist rhetoric continues.”

        Of course he spills the beans on each and every “Palestinian” president and prime minister to date.

        • Itsik he can’t mean Palestinian Presidents.
          They don’t come and go, they come and stay!
          Once ‘elected’ they are in office for life.

    • Ismail: “…Zionist policy of genocide…”
      No such policy has been approved by any Zionist leadership to date.
      This is why Palestinians are so many.
      Do you think the Zionists should adopt such policy?

    • Former head of UNRWA Ralph Galloway in 1958 said, “The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die.” Speaking as a retired psychologist: You sound like a smart fellow, but you are wasting your life with an obsession that will destroy you and poison your thinking endlessly.

      • “How can Palestinians make peace with someone who is destroying Palestinian Houses as it talks about peace.”

        Now I understand why there is no peace between Hamas and the PA after Hamas destroyed so many Palestinian houses in Gaza.

  21. I think the UNRWA should only offer refuge to those who agree to sterilization. That way the Palestinian problem would have become negotiable by now. There would be no upward projection only downward ones. The fascists like that, particularly the Zionist colonialists in Palestine.

    • Ismail:
      “I think the UNRWA should only offer refuge to those who agree to sterilization.”
      Do you now?
      “The fascists like that…”

      Yes, so it seems.

  22. Gerald you are right I am not going to be a partner in any peace that is a laughing stock for the world –

    How many Zionists does it take to make peace? Answer None as they do not know peace.

    • Ismail:
      “How many Zionists does it take to make peace? Answer None as they do not know peace.”

      That must be the reason why the Arab world is so wonderfully free and open. war ridden place where justice for all thrives…

    • You are probably right about many Zionists no longer seeking peace, but most of them do. But peace has been impossible on the Arab side for many reasons. One reason is that there is a driving fundamentalist Moslem position that once a land has been won for Allah, it is His for eternity. The Holy Land was conquered around 635AD as were all of North Africa and most of Spain. Although driven out of Spain by 1492AD, that fundamentalist segment of Arab society insists that Spain must be reconquered because it belongs to Allah. And a second reason is that any PalArab leader who makes peace with Israel will meet the same fate that poor Rabin did at the hand of a fundamentalist Jew. I am always surprised at how most Jews are ready to make peace. Every single member of my Israeli family is ready to make concessions that I am not because I am sure that a resolute article of Moslem faith is that Israel belongs to Allah. What is a signed peace treaty worth and for how long?

  23. And the phenomenon Ismail of the Diane Shame group continues to present his stupidity, convingly, I must admit.

    • Why don’t you ask the Druze who contribute to Israel’s society?
      Or maybe ask the residents of Rajar who still constitue themselves as Syrian yet prefer to stay in Israel rather than Lebanon?
      There are hundreds of organisations in Israel and even the WB that cooperate between Arabs and Jews. Many protect the Arab residents more than the they protect the Jews. How many organisations fight for the protections of Jews, or other minorities, in, let’s say, Iran, Saudi Arabia or any other Arab state?

    • Ismail, though I know it’s not your name, why don’t you admit it.
      You know it and I know it. There are bad people and good people everywhere.
      Israel is not the bad place you portray it to be and you know it.
      The main obstacle is those governments who blame solely one side of the conflict over the other parties involved.
      States like Iraq or Syria that carry out this nonesensical rubbish.
      States like Iran, who rather have their own die than abandon the Palestinians (which they only use as pawns).

  24. And the phenomenon Ismail of the Diane Shame group continues to present his dumbness, convingly, I must admit.

  25. Itsik I do not know how you missed this there are millions of Palestinians who want to return to their homes and among them are Druze, Christians and Muslims, including the Bedouins. So, it is not just the Druze who prefer to be in their own homes.

    Itsik it is not a competition between who is the best or the worst offenders of Human Rights. It is no defense to suggest, even if it were true,that I am not as bad a violator of Justice as the chap next door.

  26. Emanuel, Muslims call those Muslims, who think Spain is theirs because God gave it to them, Zionist Muslims

  27. And the phenomenon Ismail of the Diane Shame group otherwise known as liar/Peter Ounce/Islamabadi/diane/dianeshammes/Angel/Rafi aka Nazisse Sharon/Jane/Catherine/Samantha aka HarpalSingh/AaronPatel/AnrewBird/Jeremy Bowles/AlanThornton aka NS-
    Ismail/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek
    continues to present his dumbness, convincingly, I must admit.