The Economist’s extraordinarily misleading 12 words on why Hamas hates Israel

Sometimes when reading the British media’s coverage of the Middle East, it seems as if some ‘professional’ reporters either have little expertise on the issues they’re writing about or that their employer lacks such high-tech, super-sophisticated research tools as, say, Google.

The Economist’s recent article on Hamas’s continuing isolation (Lonely Hamas, Sept. 7), is a case in point.


First, in fairness, the report does paint a largely accurate picture of the pressure being placed on the Islamist group by Egypt’s new regime:

THE Gaza Strip, an enclave tucked between Egypt and Israel that is still ruled by Hamas, a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, is once again caged in. Egypt’s ruling generals, fearful that what they see as an Islamist tumour on their north-eastern flank might grow back into a Brotherhood cancer, want to contain it, if not cut it out. So they have sent bulldozers to demolish the houses along the border with Gaza that covered the tunnels providing Gaza’s 1.8m people with half their basic needs and most of their fuel and building material.

Of some 300 tunnels that operated before Egypt’s army overthrew Muhammad Morsi, the Muslim Brother who had been president for a year, only ten are said now to function. 

Later, there’s also this fair assessment of why the ‘Zionist enemy’ (at least temporarily) no longer seems like Hamas’s greatest threat:

If it is to survive as Gaza’s ruler, Hamas will have to rely on its old foe, Israel. While Egypt has choked off access to Gaza, Israel has loosened it, with 400 lorries recently entering the strip from Israel via the Kerem Shalom crossing in a single day, the liveliest such traffic for many years. “If they increase demand, we’re ready to step up,” says an Israeli military spokeswoman.

At Friday prayers, some Hamas preachers curse Egypt more than Israel. 

Good so far. However, then, in the final paragraph, the author of the unsigned article attempts to provide readers with some context on the enmity between Israel and Hamas, and writes the following:

Yet Israelis still loathe Hamas, which carried out scores of suicide-bombings against Israelis in the early 2000s. Hamas, meanwhile, reviles Israel for its assaults on Gaza and its leaders.

That’s why Hamas hates Israel?!

Well, for starters, Hamas’s obsessive hatred, which manifests itself in explicit calls by their leaders to commit genocide against the Jews, likely has something to do with their founding charter, published in 1988.  The document cites the wisdom of the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion‘ to “prove” that Jews are trying to take over the world, and asserts its theological commitment to destroying the Jewish state – regardless of where its borders are drawn – through a long-term strategy of violent jihad. 

Here are a few excerpts from their charter:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.”

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

Hamas rocket attacks and suicide bombings are merely the natural product of their eliminationist anti-Zionist, antisemitic ideology. 

Finally, it should be noted that this blog often cites political, historical and geographical facts about the Mid-East that should be obvious to even the casual observer, and the passage cited above in The Economist demonstrates the necessity of continuing to provide such basic information which, for some reason, often eludes ‘professionals’ tasked with contextualizing events in the region.

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  1. The sad thing is that regardless of the waging war in syria and the sinai Egyptian assault against Jihadists, we shall soo start hear the cries for another flotilla to Gaza…

  2. “explicit calls by their leaders to commit genocide against the Jews, ”

    “The Jews”? So the problems are all a religious matter and not an immigration matter ?

    ” annihilationist anti-Zionist, antisemitic ideology. ”

    How this old horse gets flogged. Yes Hamas are certainly anti-Semitic given that Israel is a Jewish state but nobody wants hundreds of thousands of immigrants on their land regardless of religion.

    • Yes Hamas are certainly anti-Semitic given that Israel is a Jewish state but nobody wants hundreds of thousands of immigrants on their land regardless of religion.
      Exactly this is the philosophy of the EDL, the Jobbik in Hungary and the golden dawn in Greece so jasper you and Hamas are in a perfectly matching company. Considering the Jews living in Israel immigrants is taken directly from the Nazi textbooks.

    • Jasper, these yids really must start to see things from the SWP perspective if they are to progress into a bright, socialist, utopian future. You have decreed that they -the yids – are not a people. Therefore they should stop worrying their silly little heads with Hamas’s eliminationist anti-Semitism, It’s sooo last century to take it seriously, and you are, well, so…. progressive and forward thinking.

      • ” You have decreed that they -the yids – are not a people. ”

        Did I ? I didn’t realise ..I have been out at choir practice I guess my lap top was borrowed by someone in my absence.

        All you have is accusations of anti Semitism . It makes me ill to think of the millions who died due to real anti-Semitism and you trying to cash in on it. Finkelstein was right. It is an industry. Disgusting.

        • All you have is accusations of anti Semitism .
          Not only you are an antisemite jasper but a propagandist for your European neo-Nazi colleagues . A you yourself stated in your previous post:
          Yes Hamas are certainly anti-Semitic given that Israel is a Jewish state but nobody wants hundreds of thousands of immigrants on their land regardless of religion.
          Your frank declaration of your opinion about immigrants is very interesting taking into account the simple and well known fact that the land of Israel isn’t the land of Hamas only in your wet dreams.
          It makes me ill to think of the millions who died due to real anti-Semitism and you trying to cash in on it. Finkelstein was right. It is an industry. Disgusting.
          So the antisemitism of Hamas (and yours) is not real antisemitism?
          And we whining Jews making some capital out of the Holocaust? Yes jasper you are a textbook example of the modern day antisemite and your posts make the perfect arguments for the Zionist cause.
          You should return to the natural home of your kind of Jew hating racist bigots – the Guardian CIF.

        • Thanks for the prove of your Antisemitism.
          Jews cash in on their deads.
          And now get lost, despicable low lifer.

        • Jasper, you do a much better job than I at proving your anti-Semitic credentials. So visceral are the tropes you deploy that they don’t even register on your – ‘disgusted with the yids for the manipulation of other people’s gullible emotions for their own diabolical and greedy ends’ – European moral radar.

        • Jasper, is this how you choose to spend your time, sitting at your computer, sticking up for a terrorist government, while attacking the Israelis, whose Arab citizens have far more rights than Hamas grants its Gaza constituents? There’s not one Jewish “immigrant” in Gaza, yet Hamas still plots to destroy Israel daily. It’s in their charter – it’s in their blood. They don’t care if the Jew they kill has been there for 10 generations or 10 months. Do you care how long the Hamas Arab has even lived in the region? If his family moved there from Yemen in 1940, you would consider him a “native,” but the Jew who can trace his lineage back to the time of the Romans, who forcibly expelled his ancestors, is considered an immigrant? I hope you don’t break your back, bending over backwards to make your arguments line up with the actual history of the land.

  3. Jasper you got this wrong when the Jews do not want thousands of Arabs in their midst they are exercising their right of self determination when the Arabs did not take kindly to allowing Jews to migrate in their thousands to the Arab lands the Arabs were being anti-Semitic.

    • That’s funny. The only racist I see here are losers like you insisting that your skewed perspective of Judeo-thought is the only right and proper perspective.

      Here’s an idea… Take that shitstained sheet off your idiotic, pointy head.

    • That this especially stinking heap of shit and friend of jasper/sencar called “disillusioned”
      is allowed to post here is beyond me.
      I quote him/her
      We appeased the Black slaves and we have to contend with Black violence in the Americas for centuries. We appeased Africans and Asians and made them independence and look the wars they created. off with appeasement. Tell it how it is.Stop giving in to the inferior races. Maintain our superiority for the sake of humanity.

  4. It’s projection. Hamas hates Israel because Allah told them to hate the Jews and never to accept peace or equality, but the Economist hates Israel because they have gone back into Gaza and killed several of Hamas’s leaders in wars that Hamas started. This tells you that the Economist’s writers and editors don’t view Israelis as human beings with the same right as anyone else to fight back when they are attacked without provocation. That standard would be immediately recognizable as racism if applied to anyone else, but Jews are somehow different.

    • … Allah told them to hate the Jews …

      Which dodgy website did you get that from?

      … the Economist’s writers and editors don’t view Israelis as human beings …

      Oh please. I mean really: do you and the mental midgets agreeing with you actually believe this crap?

      • The “dodgy website” is the Hamas charter which references a quotation of the Prophet Mohammed from Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985. Here is a translation: “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”

        The translation source is a “dodgy website” run by the International Islamic University of Malaysia.

        You know this, Pretzelburg. You have spent enough time on this website, where the Hamas charter is routinely brought up, that you have surely run across this information several times before. Why are you deliberately lying?

  5. Tang are you serious? Do you not think blockading Gaza constitutes provocation. What would you say if Tel-Aviv was blockaded would that be a provocation. Besides, you are misinformed or getting your Arabic translations from dubious sources Allah never told anybody to hate the Jews. Besides Allah is the Abrahamic God shared between the three monotheistic faiths. But hay do not let facts get into the way of racist diatribe.

    • “Do you not think blockading Gaza constitutes provocation.”
      No. It’s a response. Perhaps you could learn the difference, i.e., cause and effect.
      Unless, of course, you think withdrawing from Gaza was a provocation.

    • The one who shows a glaring disregard for the facts is you:
      Q. 5:12-13 “Allah made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel… And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them.”
      Q. 5:60 Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path.”
      Q. 5.82 Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
      Sahih Muslim 6985 “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
      Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177: “Allah’s Apostle said, The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’.”
      And then there is the terrible example of Muhammad himself murdering and slaughtering Jews in the Arabian Peninsula (e.g. the mass murder on the Banu Quraiza).

    • The state of Tel Aviv can be blockaded for all we care. About time they woke up and left the Ivory tower.

  6. What Jeff is it a response to Dir Yassin, or a response to to making them refugees in the first place in their own country – You do know it is not those refugees in Gaza who were the members of the Nazi Party in Germany. No Jeff, according to you Jews hate Jews, you call them self hating Jews, but than you are deluded.

    Withdrew from Gaza? When. Not according to the UN. I cannot go to Gaza and can be killed if I try because it is a provocation to the Zionist state of Israel.

    • Which country was that?
      “You do know it is not those refugees in Gaza who were the members of the Nazi Party in Germany.”
      Different accent, same program.
      “No Jeff, according to you Jews hate Jews, you call them self hating Jews”
      “Withdrew from Gaza? When.” 2005.

  7. So, Jeff what provoked this than (as quoted by the Wikipedia) I find MEMRI a bit biased and inventive – so I prefer wikipedia instead – more credible except among the Zionists who think it is a conspiracy.

    “1948 and After: Israel and the Palestinians is a collection of essays dedicated to the Palestinian exodus of 1948 and subsequent events. It analyses Mapai and Mapam policy during the exodus, the IDF report of July 1948 on its causes, Yosef Weitz’s involvement in the events, and some cases of expulsions that occurred in the fifties. Although Morris dismisses the claim that the Palestinians were systematically expelled due to orders from Israeli officials, he nevertheless cites an IDF Intelligence Report that concludes that 70% of the exodus was caused by Israeli forces and ‘Jewish dissidents[18]
    The IDF report lists: ‘the factors that precipitated the exodus in order of importance—
    direct, hostile Jewish [Haganah/IDF] operations against Arab settlements.
    the effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations on nearby Arab settlements
    Operations of the Jewish dissidents [the Irgun Z’va’i Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]'[19]
    Collectively these 3 factors were considered to be responsible for causing 70% of the exodus, according to the IDF report. Furthermore, Morris states ‘the report makes no mention of any blanket order issued over Arab radio stations or through other means, to the Palestinians to evacuate their homes and villages'[20] despite as Morris states the IDF ‘monitoring Arab radio transmissions’.”

  8. Disillusioned: “Not according to the UN”.

    Well aren’t you the enlightened one. Remind us again about which countries were recently on the human rights council, with their impeccable human rights records? Or maybe their human rights reflects your own savagery and hypocrisy, and therefore are not worth you commenting on. Normality reigns.

  9. Was it not the only democracy? Mind you it is now being forced to choose between the only democracy or the only Jewish or both but also genocidal. I do not think anybody aspiring to an ideology that made over three quarter of the population refugees in a few months can lecture on human rights.

    • Mind you it is now being forced to choose between the only democracy or the only Jewish or both

      Or both? God I’d love to have to face “choices” of that kind of format!

      But where on earth do you get “genocidal” from??

  10. Oh I have just finished that course on Cause and Effect – It is now obvious to me that the cause is all to do with ethnic cleansing of Palestine, House demolitions in West Bank, including East Jerusalem illegally occupied. I did not how simple it was until I took that course Jeff pointed out to me. Thanks Jeff -But than I think the Palestinians have been saying this for decades. Why did it not occur to me before?

    • Good. Now take a course in English. Look up “than” in the dictionary already. Compare it to “then.”
      Then go to etymology and look up the origins of the name Palestine. The philistines have been gone for a few thousand years. Talk about holding a grudge!

    • Ismail Patel and causality, a non-relationship, as Antisemites by living their mythology don`t understand causality at all, the poor idiots.

  11. In 2006, Israel pulled out of Gaza and had a plan to support building infrastructure after the elections. But to everyone’s surprised Hamas won the elections. The people of Gaza chose to continue to fight to destroy Israel instead of accepting them as neighbors by electing the more moderate candidates. The people of Gaza CHOSE to continue to struggle instead of accepting Israel. Israel had not choice but to suspend aid to Gaza or else have their own money used to try to destroy them. The blockage (which has been deemed legal by international courts) will end once Hamas is out of power in Gaza. Except for the last line that is speculation, the rest is fact.

  12. Avi Schlaim’s type of Palestinian fascist murderers.
    April 01, 2012
    Hamas celebrates anniversary of Haifa restaurant bombing
    Hamas newspaper Palestine Times has a featured article celebrating the ten year anniversary of the bombing of the Arab-owned Matza restaurant in Haifa, that killed 16 Israeli civilians. The article includes photos of the bomber as well as of the devastation to the restaurant, whose roof collapsed from the force of the explosion.
    Hamas celebrates 10th anniversary of Netanya Passover massacre
    March 27, 2012
    Maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall seeing any Arabs protesting against this attack, or writing anguished op-eds about how a fellow Muslim could have done such a thing. No Arab groups popped up on college campuses calling for solidarity with Jews against terror. There were no UN resolutions condemning the massacre.
    But there was a PA-sponsored soccer tournament in Tulkarem named after the suicide bomber.
    Hamas celebrates 10th anniversary of Davidka Square bus bombing
    The top headline on the Al Qassam Brigades (Hamas) webpage today is a celebration of the tenth
    anniversary of the bombing of bus 14A in Jerusalem.
    June 11, 2013

    Hamas doesn’t pretend that they were targeting the army, as they sometimes pretend to nowadays. They say explicitly that they targeted a passenger bus. This is a pure celebration of terrorism. They even include photos that show dead bodies.

    Six of the dead were over 65 years old.
    Hamas is also proud that some 100 people were wounded in the attack.

    If anyone thinks for a moment that Hamas’ bloodlust has lessened in the years since then, just read that article using Google Translate..
    Hamas celebrates 11th anniversary of Rishon LeZion terror attack
    May 7, 2013

    Hamas might be telling Western media that it never targets civilians, but in Arabic it celebrates the deaths of innocents it killed every day.

    The latest on the Al Qassam website (only the Arabic version, naturally) celebrates the 11th anniversary of the Rishon LeZion terror attack. Wikipedia describes the attack:

    On Tuesday, 7 May 2002 at 11:03 pm, a Palestinian suicide bomber detonated a hidden explosive device within a crowded game club full of people located in the new industrial area of Rishon Lezion, only 10 km south of Tel Aviv, killing 16 innocent civilians and injuring 55 people, 10 of them in critical condition.

    After the attack the Israeli police stated that the suicide bomber was carrying a briefcase full of explosives and in addition was also wearing an explosive belt. The police estimated that the total weight of explosives were between 7 to 8 kilograms, and stated that the briefcase contained also metal fragments and bolts in order to maximize the number of casualties in the attack.
    Ten of the fatalities were over 50 years old.

    Hamas calls it a “heroic” operation, saying that over 20 “Zionists” were killed and over 60 injured, “most of them in critical condition.”

    Hamas didn’t take credit for the attack until six years later, when it held a “wedding feast” for the bomber and his fictional virgins in paradise. His daughter is quoted as being proud of her terrorist father.

    The woman who drive the bomber to the attack was caught and sentenced to 20 years – but was released in the Gilad Shalit swap.
    Calls for Genocide Doctrines Have Infiltrated Hamas Ideology
    Jonathan Dahoah-Halevi:
    March 19, 2008
    Hamas Arch Terrorist: No Regrets for Murdering 67 Israelis
    Hamas terrorist Abdullah Barghouti, serving 67 life sentences in Israel, speaks out from his prison cell.

    A Hamas terrorist who engineered the deaths of 67 Israelis during the Second Intifada, also known as the Oslo War, has said that he has no regrets whatsoever over the Israeli blood he spilled.
    The terrorist, Abdullah Barghouti, was sentenced

    to 67 life sentences for his role in the murders of Israelis in a string of suicide bombings, including the suicide attack at the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem in 2001. In an interview from his cell in an Israeli prison, which was broadcast on Hamas television, Barghouti said that he is in good health and that his morale is high.
    Hamas Foreign Minister “Zahar:”After we defeat the Zionists we will persecute them… we will persecute them to eternity”
    May 14, 08
    Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader.
    “I’ve been told to restrict or restrain what I say. . . . I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed . . . because I’m going to speak the truth to you,” Siyam reportedly said at the conference. “It’s simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics.”
    Hamas leader vows never to recognize Israel
    Dec 8, 2012
    GAZA (Reuters) – Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, making his first ever visit to the Gaza Strip, vowed on Saturday never to recognize Israel and said his Islamist group would never abandon its claim to all Israeli territory.
    Oct 3, 2011
    Hamas brags about eleven years of terrorism

    The Palestine Times website published an article today listing Hamas’ terrorist accomplishments since the beginning of the terror war that began in September 2000.

    They brag about three specific acts of terror:

    The massacre at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva killing 8 students
    The attack by a laser-guided anti-tank missile against a schoolbus, killing a child (that they claim was a “soldier”)

    The Park Hotel Passover massacre killing 30, mostly elderly, Jews. (Hamas inflates the number of victims to 36.)

    The article says that in the past eleven years Hamas has committed:

    4303 terror attacks
    61 suicide attacks
    24 attempts to capture Israelis
    423 bombings
    90 sniper attacks
    146 ambushes

    In addition, they claim 8085 projectiles fired from Gaza, of which 2627 were Qassam rockets and 303 were Grad rockets.

    They claim to have killed 910 “Zionists” in that time period, while losing 1697 of their members. Not civilians – 1697 dead Hamas terrorists. This doesn’t include members of other terror groups like Fatah and Islamic Jihad.

    It is clear from the article that Hamas considers the second intifada to still be going on.
    Hamas: “Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Closer to Allah”
    NOVEMBER 28 2012

  13. disillusioned, To quote Cifwatch.
    Israel must be the worst ethnic cleansers in history.

    The Palestinian population in the West Bank increased from 462,000 in 1949 to more than 2.5 million today.
    In Gaza, the population increased from 82,000 in 1949 to 1.7 million today.
    Palestinian population in Jerusalem has grown 4 times from 70,000 in 67 to 300,000 in 2013.

  14. disillusioned, Research reported by the Arab-sponsored Institute for Palestine Studies in Beirut, stated “the majority of the Arab refugees in 1948 were not expelled, but that 68% left without seeing an Israeli soldier.”

    “The Arab exodus from the villages was not caused by the actual battle, but by the exaggerated description spread by Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews”
    – Yunes Ahmed Assad, refugee from the town of Deir Yassin, in Al Urdun, April 9, 1953

    The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies.
    – Falastin (Jordanian newspaper), February 19, 1949

    “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem.”
    – Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949

    “Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees… while it is we who made them to leave… We brought disaster upon Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave… We have rendered them dispossessed… We have accustomed them to begging… We have participated in lowering their moral and social level… Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon… men, women and children – all this in service of political purposes…”
    – Khaled al Azm, Syria’s Prime Minister after the 1948 war

    “The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the ‘Zionist gangs’ very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile.”
    – Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, in the Beirut newspaper Sada al Janub, August 16, 1948

    “The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce they rather preferred to abandon their homes, their belongings and everything they possessed in the world and leave the town. This is in fact what they did.”
    amal Husseini, Acting Chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee, speaking to the United Nations Security Council. Quoted in the UNSC Official Records (N. 62), April 23,1948,p.14

    “As early as the first months of 1948 the Arab League issued orders exhorting the [Arab Palestinian] people to seek a temporary refuge in neighboring countries, later to return to their abodes in the wake of the victorious Arab armies and obtain their share of abandoned Jewish property.” – bulletin of The Research Group for European Migration Problems, 1957

    “This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and retake possession of their country.”
    – Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League Office in London) in The Arabs (London, 1955), p. 183

    “The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city…By withdrawing Arab workers, their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.”.
    – Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, p. 25

    “The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab States in opposing Partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem,
    – Emil Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, the official leadership of the Palestinian Arabs, in the Beirut newspaper, Daily Telegraph, September 6, 1948

    “The Arab governments told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”
    – from the Jordan daily Ad Difaa, September 6, 1954

    “The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the progress of war.”
    – General Glubb Pasha, in the London Daily Mail on August 12, 1948

    “[The Arabs of Haifa] fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel.”
    – Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, according to Rev. Karl Baehr, Executive Secretary of the American Christian Palestine Committee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949

    “Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe. [However] …A large road convoy, escorted by [British] military . . . left Haifa for Beirut yesterday. . . . Evacuation by sea goes on steadily. …[Two days later, the Jews were] still making every effort to persuade the Arab populace to remain and to settle back into their normal lives in the towns… [as for the Arabs,] another convoy left Tireh for Transjordan, and the evacuation by sea continues. The quays and harbor are still crowded with refugees and their household effects, all omitting no opportunity to get a place an one of the boats leaving Haifa.””
    – Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz

    “the military and civil authorities and the Jewish representative expressed their profound regret at this grave decision [to evacuate]. The [Jewish] Mayor of Haifa made a passionate appeal to the delegation to reconsider its decision”
    – The Arab National Committee of Haifa, told to the Arab League, quoted in The Refugee in the World, by Joseph B. Schechtman, 1963

    “The Arab exodus, initially at least, was encouraged by many Arab leaders, such as Haj Amin el Husseini, the exiled pro-Nazi Mufti of Jerusalem, and by the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine. They viewed the first wave of Arab setbacks as merely transitory. Let the Palestine Arabs flee into neighboring countries. It would serve to arouse the other Arab peoples to greater effort, and when the Arab invasion struck, the Palestinians could return to their homes and be compensated with the property of Jews driven into the sea.”
    – Kenneth Bilby, in New Star in the Near East (New York, 1950), pp. 30-31

    “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down.”
    – Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, quoted in Sir Am Nakbah (“The Secret Behind the Disaster”) by Nimr el Hawari, Nazareth, 1952

    “The Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade… He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean. . . Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes, and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down.”
    – Habib Issa, Secretary General of the Arab League (Azzam Pasha’s successor), in the newspaper Al Hoda, June 8, 1951

    “Some of the Arab leaders and their ministers in Arab capitals . . . declared that they welcomed the immigration of Palestinian Arabs into the Arab countries until they saved Palestine. Many of the Palestinian Arabs were misled by their declarations…. It was natural for those Palestinian Arabs who felt impelled to leave their country to take refuge in Arab lands . . . and to stay in such adjacent places in order to maintain contact with their country so that to return to it would be easy when, according to the promises of many of those responsible in the Arab countries (promises which were given wastefully), the time was ripe. Many were of the opinion that such an opportunity would come in the hours between sunset and sunrise.”
    – Arab Higher Committee, in a memorandum to the Arab League, Cairo, 1952, quoted in The Refugee in the World, by Joseph B. Schechtman, 1963

    “…our city flourished and developed for the good of both Jewish and Arab residents … Do not destroy your homes with your own hands; do not bring tragedy upon yourselves by unnecessary evacuation and self-imposed burdens. By moving out you will be overtaken by poverty and humiliation. But in this city, yours and ours, Haifa, the gates are open for work, for life, and for peace, for you and your families.”
    The Haifa Workers’ Council bulletin, 28 April 1948

    “…the Jewish hagana asked (using loudspeakers) Arabs to remain at their homes but the most of the Arab population followed their leaders who asked them to leave the country.”
    The TIMES of London, reporting events of 22.4.48

    “The existence of these refugees is a direct result of the Arab States’ opposition to the partition plan and the reconstitution of the State of Israel. The Arab states adopted this policy unanimously and the responsibility of its results, therefore is theirs.”
    …The flight of Arabs from the territory allotted by the UN for the Jewish state began immediately after the General Assembly decision at the end of November 1947. This wave of emigration, which lasted several weeks, comprised some thirty thousand people, chiefly well-to-do-families.”
    – Emil Ghory, secretary of the Arab High Council, Lebanese daily Al-Telegraph, 6 Sept 1948

    “One morning in April 1948, Dr. Jamal woke us to say that the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), led by the Husseinis, had warned Arab residents of Talbieh to leave immediately. The understanding was that the residents would be able to return as conquerors as soon as the Arab forces had thrown the Jews out. Dr. Jamal made the point repeatedly that he was leaving because of the AHC’s threats, not because of the Jews, and that he and his frail wife had no alternative but to go.”

    “The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa.”
    – London Times, May 5, 1948

    “Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.
    “We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.”
    – David Ben-Gurion, in Israel’s Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948, moments before the 6 surrounding Arab armies, trained and armed by the British, invaded the day-old Jewish micro-state, with the stated goal of extermination.

    “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, THEY ABANDONED THEM, FORCED THEM TO EMIGRATE AND TO LEAVE THEIR HOMELAND, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemmed to change places with them; they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity. They did not recognize them as a unified people until the States of the world did so, and this is regrettable”.
    – by Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas), from the article titled: “What We Have Learned and What We Should Do”, published in Falastin el Thawra, the official journal of the PLO, of Beirut, in March 1976

    “The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle.”
    – Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948

    “The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa.”
    – London Times, May 5, 1948

    “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the -Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit.. . . It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”
    – The London weekly Economist, October 2, 1948

  15. Now Jeff I am looking forward to that course on English you pointed out – but if all you can quibble about is between a end e – I suspect my English is not as big a problem as you make it out. Your history is definately very suspect.

    • Disillusioned:

      “Your history is definately very suspect.”

      Care to explain this sentence so we can understand what you meant?
      You can even write in Bangal or Urdo if you’d like.

  16. HAMAS extends its hands to all those who will help it build the Islamic State in its land – I still think that First Prime Minister in 1948 put it much better – bugger the Palestinians were just not listening – I suspect they wanted to be killed rather than commit suicide.

    • 48 I suspect they wanted to be killed rather than commit suicide.

      And to the rescue the IDF always willing to oblige. The 48 UN decision was corrupt and motivated by self interest especially on the part of the USSR . The Palestinians were shafted. However it is all in the past. Time to forget about 48 and return to the 67 lines… the only solution acceptable to the vast majority of the world’s people.

      • For the “wast majority” of the world’s people (what includes the Muslim world and the fringe western left and right and the jewhaters of any affilation) the Holocaust was an acceptable solution. They can put their acceptance deep into your pacifist ass Jasper.

        • “the Holocaust was an acceptable solution”

          I live in a small town that was bombed on 22 occasions by the Nazis as my people tried to fight them ..this was in 1940 when the rest of the world sat on their arses.. other countries ….some joined the Nazis eventually didn’t they ?

          Have you apologised yet for calling Prezel a holocaust denier ? I can see you want to hit out at others… its called reaction formation.

          • And obviously your people find the energy and the time to block the escaping Jews to enter the UK and those who were there already to deport to Australia robbing/killing them on the ship. Your people accepted the fate of the German Jews because their flight caused some inconvenience. Enough of the “We Brits fought the Nazis” industry Jasper, your people fought for the imperial, colonial interest of the UK.
            Have you apologised yet for calling Prezel a holocaust denier ?
            Do you like him/her Jasper? S/he doesn’t belong to your neo-Nazi circles – what is your interest in him/her?

            • .” Enough of the “We Brits fought the Nazis” industry Jasper, your people fought for the imperial, colonial interest of the UK.”

              Yes my people fought against Hitler . In my own really small town 79 were killed. What did yours do again?

              ” /he doesn’t belong to your neo-Nazi circles ”

              “MY” Nazis ????The irony is hilarious. However you shouldn’t blame yourself I am sure your people did start to fight against Hitler eventually once it was clear the Russians were winning.

              • ” In my own really small town 79 were killed.”

                These were civilians . Over 200 soldiers …out of a pop.of 8 000 …died as well. You really have an extraordinary cheek having a go at the Brits .At least we tried when no other power in the world would back us . I repeat…what did your lot do?

                • I repeat…what did your lot do?

                  Hungarian Jews were busy being murdered during WWII. Awfully sorry.

                  You really are a scumbag.

                • Jasper:

                  “I repeat…what did your lot do?”

                  Stood up against all odds, that’s what we did.
                  Till nearly none stood.

                  “13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising (some 6,000 among them were burnt alive or died from smoke inhalation). Of the remaining 50,000 residents, most were captured and shipped to concentration and extermination camps, in particular to Treblinka.
                  Jürgen Stroop’s internal SS daily report for Friedrich Krüger, written on 16 May 1943, stated:
                  “180 Jews, bandits and sub-humans, were destroyed. The former Jewish quarter of Warsaw is no longer in existence. The large-scale action was terminated at 20:15 hours by blowing up the Warsaw Synagogue. … Total number of Jews dealt with 56,065, including both Jews caught and Jews whose extermination can be proved. … Apart from 8 buildings (police barracks, hospital, and accommodations for housing working-parties) the former Ghetto is completely destroyed. Only the dividing walls are left standing where no explosions were carried out.”

                  The longest-lasting defense of a position took place around the ŻZW stronghold at Muranowski Square, where the ŻZW chief leader, Dawid Moryc Apfelbaum, was killed in combat. On the afternoon of 19 April, a symbolic event took place when two boys climbed up on the roof of a building on the square and raised two flags, the red-and-white Polish flag and the blue-and-white banner of the ŻZW. These flags remained there, highly visible from the Warsaw streets, for four days. After the war, Stroop recalled:
                  “The matter of the flags was of great political and moral importance. It reminded hundreds of thousands of the Polish cause, it excited them and unified the population of the General Government, but especially Jews and Poles. Flags and national colours are a means of combat exactly like a rapid-fire weapon, like thousands of such weapons. We all knew that – Heinrich Himmler, Krüger, and Hahn. The Reichsfuehrer [Himmler] bellowed into the phone: ‘Stroop, you must at all costs bring down those two flags!'”
                  —Jürgen Stroop, 1949

                  The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943 took place over a year before the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. The Ghetto had been totally destroyed by the time of the general uprising in the city, which was part of the Operation Tempest, a nationwide insurrection plan. During the Warsaw Uprising, the AK’s Battalion Zośka was able to rescue 380 Jewish prisoners (mostly foreign) held in the concentration camp “Gęsiówka” set up by the Germans in an area adjacent to the ruins of former Ghetto. These prisoners had been brought from Auschwitz and forced to clear the remains of the ghetto.[50] A few small groups of Ghetto residents also managed to survive in the undectected “bunkers” and to eventually reach the “Aryan side”.[51] In all, several hundred survivors from the first uprising took part in the later uprising (mostly in non-combat roles such as logistics and maintenance, due to their physical state and general shortage of arms), joining the ranks of the AK and the AL. According to Samuel Krakowski from the Jewish Historical Institute, “The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising had a real influence … in encouraging the activity of the Polish underground.

                  In 1968, the 25th anniversary of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, Zuckerman was asked what military lessons could be learned from the uprising. He replied:
                  “I don’t think there’s any real need to analyze the Uprising in military terms. This was a war of less than a thousand people against a mighty army and no one doubted how it was likely to turn out. This isn’t a subject for study in military school. (…) If there’s a school to study the human spirit, there it should be a major subject. The important things were inherent in the force shown by Jewish youth after years of degradation, to rise up against their destroyers, and determine what death they would choose: Treblinka or Uprising.”

                  13000 killed in 27 days of resistance.
                  This is where we were.

                  And this is where the British government was!
                  ” On 12 February British officials agreed that children aged 11 to 16 on the ship would be given Palestinian visas, but a dispute occurred over their transportation to Palestine.[citation needed] The United Kingdom declined to send a ship, while Turkey refused to allow them to travel overland.”
                  “On the morning of 24 February there was a huge explosion and the ship sank. Many years later it was revealed that the ship had been torpedoed by the Shchuka-class Soviet submarine Shch-213, that had also sunk the Turkish vessel Çankaya the evening before.[17][18]
                  Struma sank quickly and many people were trapped below decks and drowned.[19] Many others aboard survived the sinking and clung to pieces of wreckage, but for hours no rescue came and all but one of them died from drowning or hypothermia.[12][19] Of the estimated 791 people killed, more than 100 were children.”

                  791 dead. in one day.

              • “MY” Nazis ????The irony is hilarious. However you shouldn’t blame yourself I am sure your people did start to fight against Hitler eventually once it was clear the Russians were winning.

                You really are fucked up in the head.

                • It is quite hilarious that you support the very guy who called you a holocaust denier . And it is me who is fucked?. At least Peter has a stance change your position every post you smarmy git.

                • @ Jasper

                  pth’s comments to me are water off a duck’s back compared to the outrageous crap you have come up with.

                  When it comes to really important points, I certainly do not change my stance.

              • In my own really small town 79 were killed. What did yours do again?
                My people went to the smoke in Auschwitz, Birkenau etc. six million of them.
                While yours fought for keeping your colonies in the Middle-eEst, India, Africa, for South-Asia and for naval hegemony.

                • You are a liar. Your kind of shit made it possible at that time the murder of those six million exactly as you are trying to do today with your faux pacifism and clown-like worries about the Palestinian rights. But thanks to the existence of Israel the repeat performance became impossible and you are naturally frustrated. Though life jasper.

                • “You are a liar ”

                  Yes your wee mind simply cant take it. My in laws were a large family . 2 escaped from what is now the Czech Rep. and came to Britain . They did brilliantly as you might expect .The rest all perished…every one . I have the book on my shelf .

                  You are not the only one who can play that trump. Nice try.

                • And your in-laws naturally appreciate your anti-semitism. But Jasper/Berchmans you lied this already on CIF, repeating it won’t make it truer. That you call this a trump what you can play speaks for itself. Do your in-laws know about your obsessive hate of Israel and your unbreakable and eternal love of islamofascists organisations?

  17. Does it not matter what the victim thinks or are they the sacrifical lamb with no say in the matter. What enlightmenment?

    • As long as the victim is holding a dagger and keeps shouting “bring it on”, “my sister fights better than you do” and “is that all you’ve got?” I believe it is hardly a victim.

      You on the other hand are a better description of a victim. You see drug abuse can cause serious effects.

  18. So Itsek how was that high trip to India? Still stoned out of your mind? You needed that after a killing spree.

    • Never been to India (Unlike some posting here), I’m not stoned, never went on a killing spree.
      Oh, and my name is not Itsek.
      Funny how grammar issues can be a sign of Cannabis use…

      “…topics include the drug’s addictiveness, its potential as a “gateway drug”, its effects on intelligence and memory, and its contributions to mental disorders such as schizophrenia and clinical depression.”

  19. pretzel – it is on the same planet earth where the victim is holding a dagger and shouting bring it on – itsik is on one he knows butt out now pretzel

    • There are two Pretzels who cautions a tiny degree of criticism of Israel then one who joins in the attack on other critics to ingratiate and try and distance himself .He was exactly the same on CIF.. a wet creep who cannot make his mind up. I actually think I prefer Peter as a character type .. at least you know where you stand with him.

        • Gingerwaster ? I quite liked a lot of your posts but there was always a nagging doubt. Something I could never pin down …however let me walk you through the last exchange with Peter…he insulted the Brit effort during WW2 whilst his own country actually joined the Axis powers. I had a pop at him for that.

          I don’t know if you get people tried to fight Hitler …now Im not saying it was at all to save the Jews… but what the fuck right does he have to do this whilst his own people actively fought for the Nazis ?

          • pth is to my knowledge Jewish-Hungarian. Repeatedly referring to Hungarian Nazis/collaborators as “his people” is simply offensive.

            What you are doing is both transparent and pathetic.

            Gingerwaster? Nope. Not ringing any bells – and that’s hardly suprising.

              • Jasper:

                “He called me a Nazi first and I returned the compliment”
                So you admit you are one? And even sees it as compliment? Or was it sarcasm?
                I won’t judge you just need to know?

                • ” compliment ”

                  It was not really sarcasm. The expression “return the compliment” simply means you give back whatever you were given.

                  Peter wittily implied I was a Nazi and belittled the contribution that my country made to defeating Hitler. This is hilarious given that my country was on her own against the monster whilst other countries were farting about undecided or worse…..

                • A despicable low lifer like Jasper claiming Jewish inlaws is just a cynic as he knows nothing of sarcasm.

              • Jasper:
                Pretzelberg stop being such a servile creep .

                Laughable. Sevile to who?

                He called me a Nazi first and I …

                … behaved like the child you are.

      • Jasper’s world.
        Black and white.
        Zionist, Peter, etc = bad.
        Arabs, Palestinians, murderers of Jews = Good.
        Pretz = non existent.

        BTW, I have every respect for soldiers fighting the Nazi regime during that time.
        Never the less I find your painting of it all quite pathetic.
        Remember the Anti black and anti Irish signs?
        Well, why won’t I quote your friend about the brave British men in London’s 20th century:

        “Jews were barred from a certain North London golf club for much of my parents’ lives and, even once the ban was lifted, the mud stuck. I as good as spat every time I walked past its well-manicured borders, reminded of the spectre of institutionalised anti-semitism which dogged the lives of my parents’ generation and, even today, the embers still glow faintly here and there.”

        Seth Friedman on the Guardian 2007.

        • ” murderers of Jews = Good. ”

          . I condemn any attack on any Israeli…even fully armed IDF soldiers who are attacking Gaza. I believe the Palestinians should die rather than attempt to resist..which is futile ..any violence will be returned a hundred fold . I despise and condemn the rockets

          I well remember celebrating the IDF that conquered the Arab world in a few days.

          How the present generation must disappoint the old guard many of whom will still be with us cringing with embarrassment as modern weaponry is turned on civilians with times

          • It’s “with abandon” (not “abandonment”).

            What is you native language btw? Because it doesn’t appear to be English.

            What is this country you hail from that made such a decisive contribution to defeating Hitler?

            • I have 3 university degrees my hopelessly compromised pal. They thought I could speak English.

              As for my country it is of course England . My town is ancient but as you walk along entire streets are cheap and modern , filling the gaps left by the Luftwaffe. No we didn’t win the war ..merely held them whilst the Soviets broke them. But I wont be lectured by someone of any other country as to the sacrifice my people made .

              • But I wont be lectured by someone of any other country as to the sacrifice my people made .

                My parents were born during the war and grew up with powdered eggs and rationing etc. Apparently a low-flying Gerry fighter shot holes in my dad’s nappies!

                But I’ve never heard them come up with the kind “sacrifice” shite you are uttering here.

                • “I’ve never heard them come up with the kind “sacrifice” shite you are uttering here ”

                  I do like your posts …exactly half are total rubbish and half are unexpectedly good. I was born into a world of stunning poverty . London was a twisted heap of bricks and dead bodies. Do not be so naïve as to believe in the Spirit of the Blitz it was dreadful, assaults , accidents , hopelessness, squalor and prostitution.

            • You are mistaken Pretzel. Jasper (as usual with his type) is a pathological liar. He posted on CIF under the moniker Berchmans and was famous about his anti-semitic comments.
              He must have a million university degrees and naturally in the highly developed UK he couldn’t get a job but a postman, He then lived in Glasgow (you know the small town) and was a supporter of the SNP (Scottish nationalism is good – Jewish is bad).
              To make a long story short he is obsessive about his hate of Israel and the Jews and a huge fan of any murderous Arab dictatorial regime or Islamist organisation.

              • Berchmans is Scottish . I am English . You may not know that there is a slight difference. Apart from that I liked his posts .

                • And obviously you are the same person (sorry for the expression) as it can be seen from your identical style, identical BS (Hamas is antisemitic NOW). That Berchmans and you both are lying exactly the same lie about Jewish in-laws must be a pure coincidence. But you have a third personality called Hamish as well.
                  ‘Hamish ‘ is an antiwar writer socialist- scientist and musician living in Scotland.
                  (Not to mention your previous personalities on Cifwatch – “Here’s Davy” and “Abandon hope”.)
                  BTW do your family members know that you spend your time on the net spitting antisemitic propaganda? They should be alerted – maybe they could provide you with professional help.

                • “Berchmans is Scottish… Apart from that I liked his posts .”

                  Is there something wrong about Scots, you hint?

                • That`s strange when remembering that you came up as a new poster. So how can you know Berchmans unless you are not a new, but a regular antisemitic poster here?

          • Jasper:

            “I well remember celebrating the IDF that conquered the Arab world in a few days. ”

            When did this happened?
            Must have missed the memo.
            We took little percent of Egypt and jordan and even a smaller percent of Syria.
            Lebanon, stayed out of it.
            Did we really conquered Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Sudan, Chad, Western Sahara, Somalia etc?
            We must have the lord on our side after all! Other wise why would Arab women lined up to have their kids touch Dayan to get some of his “powres”.
            BTW, you must have missed the way his nephew (the one that didn’t join the IDF) was appreciated in Ramallah recently…


    • Forumidiot, You obviously misunderstood what I wrote. Try reading it when you sober up. Make sure the Religious police don’t get you, we do care for your well being!

  20. Itsek do not worry the whole purpose for the trip to India was so that you can forget and be able to live with yourself. It obviously works. I suppose you cannot tell at the moment whether you are on a high or just being yourself.

    • Ismail, why do you change your name so often?
      Unlike you i don’t change mine, It still is ItsikDeWembley.
      Maybe you could join me on Ealing Rd corner where it meets Harrow Rd?
      We can have a nice slow stroll towards the Fusilier pub.
      And just when we pass the police station I’ll turn you in for a nice chat with the officers to check you back into the mental place you escaped from.

  21. Peter nothing wrong with being Nationalists it is when you throw those who live in the country out because of a perverse nationalism and claim I am a nationalist that is problematic.

    I wish Scottish nationalists every success in their referundem next year. However, you would note it is not going to be a Presbytarian Scotland but a Scotland for all its peoples, black blue and green. Subtle difference and a bit difficult for racist to understand in their simple world of black and white.

    • Disillusioned :

      “perverse nationalism”
      You mean Jewish nationalism right?
      Every other nationalism is fine, right?

    • Disillusioned:

      “…Subtle difference and a bit difficult for racist to understand in their simple world of black and white.”

      Oh, you were talking to yourself, didn’t realise!

  22. Obviously , subtlety escapes you in your present state. When you have recovered from your trip to India may be you will think again.

  23. No itsek many nationalisms are perverse, other tnan the Zionist form we face today. To give you an example from history, Aryan Nationalism in Germany was another perverse nationalism. Then there were many National fascists in many parts of Europe, including Italy and Spain. Thankfully these perverse forms of nationalisms are no longer with us.

  24. Palestinian nationalism = excellent
    Scottish nationalism = good
    Syrian nationalism = good
    Turkish nationalism = good
    French nationalism = somewhat acceptable
    Hungarian nationalism = God knows
    Jewish nationalism = very very bad, they are Nazis anyway
    says the asshole who wrote this a week ago on this very blog:
    We appeased the Black slaves and we have to contend with Black violence in the Americas for centuries. We appeased Africans and Asians and made them independence and look the wars they created. off with appeasement. Tell it how it is.Stop giving in to the inferior races. Maintain our superiority for the sake of humanity.
    Have you ever considered to ask for professional help?

  25. Itsik it does not make any difference what proportion of the world, the universe or the galaxy you took – as far as the Palestinians are concerned you took all their lands and that is all that matters to the Palestinians. Their memories are no worse than yours. You kept saying Next year in Jerusalem. Well Palestinians every where say the same now and would continue to say so for another two thousand years if they have to,

    Another thing about perverse Nationalists is that they think everybody is different to them.

    • Well Palestinians every where say the same now and would continue to say so for another two thousand years if they have to,
      Maybe they should start to say this now or in the near future – two thousand year is a very long time, but if this is what they want who I am to tell them that they have been fooled by Jew-haters who want to fight the Jews on their back to the last drop of their blood. (you are a textbook example of this type of ratshit)

    • Disillusioned
      There is a big difference between the Jewish Zionist leaderships through out time and the Arab ones.
      The Jews from the word go were willing to compromise and still do.
      Like to remind you that when the Jews started arriving and working on cure for Malaria the population started to grow.
      No surprise there, unless it sort of kills your illusions…
      Like the Illusions about me in India.
      Well, for a racist twat like you who think that just because many in Wembley are Asians it should be called India, I’m not surprised in the least.
      I pity you.

    • Disillusioned, why do you think Jews have been saying “next year in Jerusalem” for 2000 years? Because we had our land stolen from us, and we never gave up our desire to return to OUR land. It’s not our fault a bunch of Arabs moved in (many of them just recently, relatively speaking) and, exercising such wonderful sensitivity, built a mosque over the ruins of the Jewish Holy Temple (thanks for that). Problem is, when you buy a stolen watch, you don’t really own it. When you buy land with a cloud on the title, don’t complain when the original owners come along to reclaim it. The Palestinians think they are the original owners, they say they are the original owners, but they never quite explain all those Jewish artifacts that keep getting dug up all around them. In fact, they destroy them when they find them first.
      In the spirit of compromise, I propose that every Arab who was forcibly evicted from his land in 1948 be compensated, as long as every Jew forcibly evicted from Arab countries also receive compensation. Now doesn’t that sound fair?

    • Disillusioned:

      “Itsik it does not make any difference what proportion of the world, the universe or the galaxy you took…”

      And here we have it. Jewish nationalism, self determination or any self governing of any part of the known or unknown universe is not acceptable by Disillusioned.
      So, you lied earlier in reply to my question about what is the “perverse nationalism” you meant. I asked if you meant Jewish nationalism and you said “No”.
      You are a liarm an anti Semite and a fraus.
      Have a good day.

  26. Peter I like the way you put your arguments in such a succinct manner. It is not so much a problem with the ratshit, it is the human shit that bothers me most, particularly the superior type that abounds here thinking its version of the universe is the only one. Everything is ratshit. I do not know about ratshit certainly can smell racists at the blog all the time who think their form of nationalism that denies others right to exist in their houses is the only form of nationalism.

    • Stop giving in to the inferior races. Maintain our superiority for the sake of humanity.
      This sentence of yours tells everything about you what I need to know. I apologize from the rats for comparing you to their excrement.
      Peter I like the way you put your arguments in such a succinct manner
      Do you really think that I’m arguing with you?!
      As the famous Spanish -French writer Jorge Semprun wrote about your kind of rabid dogs: “You don’t need to argue with them, you don’t have to try to understand them – you have to shoot them.” The circumstances changed greatly since then so there is no need to take these drastic measures anymore until you don’t try to turn your hate into concrete acts of violence – till then you are harmless – for us Jews. Not so for the Palestinians – you represent a clear and present danger for their well being – but this is their problem not mine.
      If you really think that I ever will argue with your kind of scum then you are the exact opposite of the “disillusioned”.

      • You use animalisation.This is a surprise as you must know that some of the most disgustingly anti semitic Nazi propaganda films displayed Jews in such terms. You may care to tell me how your comment is different

        You would think that you might want to differentiate yourself from these people.

        • you must know that some of the most disgustingly anti semitic Nazi propaganda films displayed Jews in such terms.
          You will never understand the difference Berchmans. The Nazis used it based on race not on the character of an individual. But you are correct, rabid dogs are simply unlucky creatures while your disillsioned fellow traveler is a card carrying racist bigot. I/m sure that you like his opinion about your racial superiority.

  27. Peter you argue very well – just that you lack any arguments – smelling too much shit is your problem – it is the company you keep –

  28. The Economist has always taken an anti-Israel stance.
    I remember after the flotilla their outrages cover, turning what should be a respected journalistic publication look like a hysterical tabloid, ignoring the fine details, which anyone, who knows the Israel-Palestine conflict, would have known would come out when the dust of hysteria settles.

    I don’t think that The Economist accidently left this stuff out. This is how manipulation works, omitting detailsor downplaying major events.