General Antisemitism

David Ward MP : I merely said that ‘Israel should never have been created’.


Cross posted by London-based blogger Richard Millett

Baroness Tonge and Manuel Hassassian last night.

Baroness Tonge and Manuel Hassassian last night.

Last night in Parliament (ex-Liberal Democrat) Baroness Jenny Tonge said “If they had only obeyed their own Ten Commandments and half the stuff in the Old Testament…Israel could have been a force for good in the world” (see clip here from 8 mins. 35 secs.)

Tonge was speaking at the Palestine Return Centre event Britain, It’s Time To Apologize for the Balfour Declaration.

Also speaking was Bradford East MP David Ward who in January condemned Jews who “could within a few years of liberation from the death camps, be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza”.

In July he tweeted that “the Zionists are losing the battle – how long can the apartheid State of Israel last?”. He was temporarily suspended from the Liberal Democrats.

But, last night, he claimed he had been suspended for something he didn’t say:

“I didn’t say Israel shouldn’t exist but that it should never have been created. I said it was an apartheid state. If Israel isn’t an apartheid state then find me one that is.”

And last night he said “Israel are winning. We are losing hands down”. His main concern was that there is no proper plan to counteract this. But it’s certainly quite a change from his July claim “the Zionists are losing”!

Also speaking was Lord Ahmed Nazir who was jailed in 2009 for dangerous driving where another road user died. Nazir then blamed his imprisonment on a Jewish conspiracy.

Last night he claimed that “we have a great moral responsibility” and “a huge burden on our conscience” in light of the Balfour Declaration.

“East Jerusalem is being evacuated slowly, there is ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people. Whether they are Christian or they are Muslim they are being thrown out of their own country,” he continued. (see clip here)

Jenny Tonge added Israel has the right to exist but “it must start behaving properly and treat people in the Middle East the way they want to be treated”. She said Israel is a “threat to world peace and a threat to itself” and continued:

“We must take on the pro-Israel lobby. We will not be silenced. We are not anti-Semitic, we are anti-injustice. What happened to the Palestinians is the greatest injustice in the last 100 years.

They are clever. They call it the Jewish state of Israel so if you criticise the Jewish state they say you are criticising Jews and that you are anti-Semitic. But it is directed against the Israeli government, not the Jewish people. Many Jews join us.

We must boycott Israeli goods. The Israel lobby puts so much pressure on politicians. We must do the same.”

Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian Authority’s diplomatic representative in the UK, condemned the Balfour Declaration. He said the Palestinians had been denied the right to self-determination and their basic human rights “due to the pledge by Great Britain to the Zionists”.

He said the Palestinian “right of return” was a “sacred right” and that the “non-Judaisation of the state of Israel is our red line”.

Hassassian continued by saying that Israel is acting as a “pariah state” and “let the Israelis go to hell” and that he would only negotiate with the Israelis when they had first drawn Israel’s borders for him.

He finished by saying “together we can march to Jerusalem” where there should be “no monopoly of one religion at the expense of others. Israel’s Jerusalem is a slap in the face of humanity.”

Meanwhile, if I was living in the Bradford East parliamentary constituency I would be flummoxed to see my MP David Ward spending a disproportionate amount of his time attacking Israel. Have the people of Bradford East had all their problems solved?

The 2015 general election is not too far away and Ward has a tiny majority. Maybe it’s time for the people of Bradford East to elect someone who focuses more on them.

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  1. Tweeted in response
    Margie in Tel Aviv ‏@MargieInTelAviv
    !@DavidWardMP You asked to be shown an apartheid state if Israel isn’t one. Try Lebanon where Palestinians enjoy no rights at all!

    • !@DavidWardMP You asked to be shown an apartheid state if Israel isn’t one. Try Lebanon where Palestinians enjoy no rights at all!

      I’d include most Apartheid Arab states, which have succeeded in a vast programme of ethnic cleansing, expelling the last Jews from their homes and their countries.

      Their attention has now turned to Arab Christians, who are being oppressed and murdered in increasing numbers in hell holes like Iraq, Egypt and Gaza.

      It’s getting more and more difficult to blame Israel for the savagery in the Arab Muslim world but somehow the brainwashed and the brainwashers are still managing to do it.

        • Read this article by Tony Greenstein (before you hide behind your “anti-Semitic” defence)

          Erm … you do know that Greenstein is a bit barrmy, don’t you?

          • Oh so he’s a “mad, self-hating Jew” then? Just like any Jewish person with a conscience who tells the truth about Israel. Some of us are aware of the beastly, terrorist, criminal acts of your “founding fathers” and national heroes in the Irgun, Hagganah & Stern Gang – the murder of Count Bernadotte a UN representative, the bombs targeted at civilian buses, the murder and kidnap of British soldiers, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the massacre at Dier Yassin, the “Lavon Affair”, the USS Liberty – and the rest – so we are well aware of the ruthless, bloody and throroughly evil acts that your nation is willing to commit. What else do you expect from a nation founded on blood, theft, bribery and terrorism? No wonder truly devout Jews consider it to be an abomination!

            • Yes, there was violence involved in the rebirth of Israel – as there has been in the creation of practically every nation/country in human history.

            • Oh so he’s a “mad, self-hating Jew” then?
              No he’s not hating himself but the other Jews. He’s not a self-hating Jew He’s a narcissistic violent psychopath who simply adores himself) but a Jew hater Jew with a conviction of theft.
              Just like any Jewish person with a conscience who tells the truth about Israel.
              You wouldn’t know the truth even it screamed int your ears asshole.
              Some of us are aware of the beastly, terrorist, criminal acts of your “founding fathers” and national heroes in the Irgun, Hagganah & Stern Gang – the murder of Count Bernadotte a UN representative, the bombs targeted at civilian buses, the murder and kidnap of British soldiers, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the massacre at Dier Yassin,
              Time to time you should take a breath instead of smearing the Jews.
              …so we are well aware of the ruthless, bloody and throroughly evil acts that your nation is willing to commit.
              Yes we arrogant low-life Jews had the temerity to fight for our country.
              What else do you expect from a nation founded on blood, theft, bribery and terrorism?
              Not like any other country of the world naturally. But I understand your frothing hate and frustration seeing our exceptionally successful nation.
              No wonder truly devout Jews consider it to be an abomination!
              Are you speaking about the Naturei Karta? Please give them my deepest condolences for their vain and laughable medieval considerations.

            • “Just like any Jewish person with a conscience who tells the truth about Israel.”
              So, you’re position is then that Jews that have a different point of view than you, are liars and have no conscience, right?
              That’s not intelligent and if you were intelligent you’d know that, but you don’t.

    • Of course your country practices apartheid. You have a similar philosophy as the Nazis based on racial purity and the supremacy of your race – a “master race concept”. Thus Palestinians who can trace their habitation back several thousand years are excluded from living in the land they grew up in – whilst any Jew – having absolutely no connection with the region has a “right of return”. If that isn’t racist – I don’t know what is!

      • Trying to get a rise from people or are you really that stupid?
        If you had any idea of what racism is you’d be at a Racist’s Anonymous meeting right now.

      • Salim Joubran (born 1947) is an Israeli Arab judge on the Israeli Supreme Court. He has served as a supreme court justice since 2003, and became a permanent member on May 2004.[1] Joubran is the first Arab to receive a permanent appointment in the Supreme Court. He is the second Arab judge to hold a supreme court appointment, preceded by Abdel Rahman Zuabi, who held a fixed nine-month appointment in 1999.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salim_Joubran

        About that apartheid claim of yours…

      • The traditional view of the Arab-Israeli conflict is of Jews fighting Muslims. But that image does not always reflect the truth.
        In fact, there are thousands of Muslim Bedouin who serve in the Israeli army, or IDF, and even bear arms against their fellow Muslims in the occupied West Bank and Gaza.

        They do so although it is not compulsory for them to serve in the Israeli military, as it is for most Israeli Jews, and sometimes military service comes with a price tag.
        “I will do whatever is required from me to do the job with the full faith in the service of the Israeli state,” asserts Maj Fehd Fallah, a Bedouin from the village of Saad in the Israeli occupied Golan.

        His happy to perform his duty, whoever he may have to fight against.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8303634.stm

        I could go on..

        • There were plenty of Jews who cooperated with the Nazis – indeed many ofthem were guilty of committing some of the worst excesses of violence against Jews in the concentration camps (never heard of “Kapos”). So what is your point about Arabas collaborating with your vile racist regime supposed to prove? The very idea that Israel is a “Jewish” State and the “Law of Return” – even your religion itself – is evidence enough in itself of “racism” – or don’t you understand the meaning of the word?

          • Brilliant logic. So Israel is an “apartheid state”. And any evidence to the contrary, such as the full participation of non-Jews in all aspects of Israeli life can be dismissed as the actions of “collaborators” or “kapos”. Closed mind much?

            The whole bleeding POINT of “apartheid” is that those deemed “inferior” are PROHJIBITED from normal cultural, working, social and political life. In Israel, non-Jews are ENCOURAGED to participate in mainstream activities. Many enthusiastically choose to do so. Some do not. So – where is the apartheid?

          • Absolute nonsense.

            George Karra (Hebrew: ג’ורג’ קרא‎; born 1953) is an Israeli Arab judge. Karra is a Christian Palestinian resident of Jaffa. He has served as a Tel Aviv District Court judge since 2000. In 2011, he was nominated as a candidate for the Israeli Supreme Court.

            He was appointed a senior court judge in 2010. Karra was the judge who convicted Moshe Katsav of rape. In another high-profile case, he convicted Ofer Nimrodi of illegal wiretapping.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Karra

            Btw.. Moshe Katsav was the PRESIDENT of ISRAEL
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katsav

      • You have a similar philosophy as the Nazis …

        Oh dear. Deep down you must know that is absolute bollocks. Why are you going out of your way to be offensive?

        • The Zionists worked very closely with the Nazis there is plenty of documentary evidence about that and the policy of herding Jews into ghettos as Israel has done the the Palestinians is very similar to the treatment of Jews in occupied Europe. Jews can claim damages for the expropriation of their property and treatment by Nazi Germany and still do – when will Palestinians be given compensation for their murder, the theft of their land, burning of their olive groves and bulldozing of their homes? The World is watching and sees your despicable behaviour – and one day the bill will be presented – to be repaid in full.

          • The Zionists worked very closely with the Nazis there is plenty of documentary evidence about that

            Where? At zündel.com?

            But anyway: why is it that you despise Jews so much? Playground trauma?

              • Up Comes a well known one, Tony Greenstein, writing at Amazon.
                http://azvsas.blogspot.co.at/
                http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/tony-greenstein/
                http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/authors/tony-greenstein
                http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tonygreenstein
                http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/greenstein/nazi.html
                “Greenstein openly campaigns for the destruction of Israel. He defends communist collaboration with the Nazis but denounces Zionists as joint perpetrators of the Holocaust. A typical Greenstein outburst can be found in the newspaper of the Communist Party of Great Britain:-

                Yes, I deliberately described Israel’s actions as a blitzkrieg. Those who use starvation, thirst and hunger as reprisals against civilians, who destroy water and electricity plants, are, in the words of the late Yehashayu [sic] Leibowitz, a distinguished religious philosopher and winner of the Israel Prize, Judaeo-Nazis…
                Yes, I want the state of Israel to be destroyed…
                [The] attempt to justify Zionist collaboration with the Nazis and assorted fascists by reference to the German Communist Party’s attempt to win over plebeian members of the National Socialists is ludicrous. The KPD’s appeasement of the Nazis flowed from their third position politics – eg, the fact that none of its Reichstag members were Jewish from 1930 onwards or its attacks on ‘Jewish’ capitalists. But Hitler wasn’t fooled for a moment and KPD activists were put in Dachau from the moment the Nazis took power.
                The Zionist emissaries swanned around Nazi-occupied Europe organising kibbutzim and facilitating the emigration of their own cadre and no one else. The KPD, for all its sins, was part of the labour movement. Zionism was a movement of the most reactionary section of the Jewish bourgeoisie.
                Thus Greenstein acknowledges and justifies discrimination and incitement against Jews by his fellow communists who were trying to win Nazi votes. Needless to say, he offers no evidence of the existence of Zionist kibbutzim in Nazi-occupied Europe. ”
                “In a rambling online essay, Bukhari admitted that MPACUK had repeatedly posted images from neo-Nazi websites but nevertheless complained that he was the victim of a Zionist smear campaign:

                The machine plotted and worked it seemed almost day and night to smear us… A picture of a monster with horns on his head under an American flag was deemed “anti-Semitic.” It was obtained after typing words like “Zionist power” into a Google image search. I can’t believe MPACUK pulled the picture due to the pro-Israeli lobby complaining about it. How can a monster with a flag be anti-Semitic? The Zionists are monsters (they kill kids), and they have influence in America (AIPAC), what’s the problem?
                I realise that maybe 60 years ago some German may have used monsters to depict Jews, did that mean we could no longer use monsters to depict Zionists?
                Greenstein then contributed the following comment:

                I write as someone who is Jewish, but not a Zionist.
                This is a very excellent and painfully aware article.
                Asghar Bukhari made a mistake and has been honest about that. The one’s who attack their opponents as anti-Semitic, when their movement is the most guilty of all of working with anti-Semites (hence why they’re once again trying to ban Perdition in Scotland which details what they did) are the ones who have problems with anti-Semtism.
                Zionism is a Jewish variant of anti-Semitism. After all,even today, if someone tells me I don’t belong in England they are either a Zionist or a fascist and anti-Semite”

  2. I didn’t say David Ward shouldn’t exist but that he should never have been created.
    Nothing wrong with that, is there?

        • Of course in a non-Jew made a comment like that about a Jew you’d be squealing “Anti-Semiticism” in a hurry! Or are we “Goyim” like the Palestinians no more than “cockroaches” and “crocodiles” are so many of your “religious” and political leaders have claimed?

          • 1. A non-Jew did make a comment like that (read the article).
            2. The only one here squealing is you, like a pig. Clear out, Porky.

          • Dear Mr. Appio,
            How very kind of you to pop in while you are waiting for the Nurses to bring your medication.
            As you appear to be implying racism on my part, because of my remark above, perhaps you can explain how your feeble mind came to this conclusion?

            Although on reflection I accept that Reptiles may feel upset at being linked with the likes of Ward and Tonge.

            • I was just pointing out the fact that many of your rabbis and political leaders have compared Palestinians and non-Jews to “vermin”. If a non Jew were to claim that Jews were “reptiles” – this would obviously be a racist and “anti-semitic” comment. But I guess that Jews are allowed to anything they want – because most people are too afraid of offending them – because we all know what happens next…

              • because we all know what happens next…

                What – being called anti-Semitic? In cases where people deny the Holocaust and rant on about “Jewish Bolsheviks” murdering millions etc., at least, that label is more than justified.

              • “I was just pointing out the fact that many of your rabbis and political leaders have compared Palestinians and non-Jews to “vermin”.”

                Really Mr. Appio.
                One of the problems with feeble minded anti-Semites like yourself is that you jump to conclusions based on your own insanity rather than evidence or truth.

                By my ‘rabbis’ do you mean the Bishop of Monmouth, in whose Diocese I live, or the Archbishop of Wales, who is head of the Church of Wales in which I was baptised?

                Perhaps you could enlighten me as to who among my ‘political leaders’ which are the First Minister of Wales, the Prime Minister of the U.K., or Presidents of the European Parliament or European Commission have ‘compared Palestinians and non-Jews to vermin’ ?

                Mr. Appio you really should not believe everything those voices in your head are telling you, they are making you look like a bigger clown than nature made you and that is not an easy task.

                • Gerald, I’ve noticed that any debate on the subject of Israel or the “holocaust” rapidly lowers itself first to accusations of “anti-Semitism” and then insults – never a rational debate. The historical evidence is clear and available to any serious student of history with an open mind. Which is why, I believe, the ploy of rapidly “emotionalising” the discussion is always resorted to by those defending Israel or trying to support the clear exaggerations and untruths about the “holocaust”. Eli Wiesel is a very good example of the manner in which the “holocaust” is manipulated by unscrupulous individuals for financial gain – and unfortunately he is but one of the many “survivors” who has been proved to have lied extravagantly about his “experiences”. We are not all brainwashed fools.

                • Would you like to answer the points I raised?

                  Or are you just going to regurgitate your pre-set script?

                  Nothing in the post that you have addressed to me has any connection with the points I raised, which is why you are just repeating parrot fashion a pre-set script.

              • Jews are allowed to anything they want – because most people are too afraid of offending them – because we all know what happens next…

                I know. They start rioting in the streets, burning down buildings, trying to kill cartoonists with axes, stabbing film-makers to death… it’s just terrifying.

                • Unfortunately the only “religion” protected by the force of law these days is the faith in the “official version” of the “holocaust”. Thus while Jewish provocateurs can insult Islam and Christianity in the vilest manner and get away with it by pleading “free speech” genuine historical and scientific research into the “holocaust” is punished by fines and prison terms in many jurisdictions. Why is this? Here is a vile mockery of the crucifixion on Israeli TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RY83mAr5uA and here is an article about the revered Israeli “religious” leader Rabbi Dov Lior whose violent, racist ramblings would get him locked up in any truly “democratic” country:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RY83mAr5uA

              • Oh Peter, Peter. While there is little point trying to be logical with someone who is clearly crazy as a box of frogs on acid (who have been forced to listen to trance music for 72 hours straight), can you please point out where Jeff, cba or Gerald have called non-Jews reptiles? They have called ONE particular non-Jew a reptile, one whose oft-expressed vile antisemitic views more than justify that description. That is no comment on non-Jews in general.

                • Labenal,
                  I didn’t call anyone a reptile.
                  Arabs/Muslims regularly call Jews both apes and pigs. This type name calling comes from the halls of power. Peter Appio doesn’t seem to mind that a bit.
                  You see, the strategy for such people, as is the historical case with anti-Semitism, is to load up on accusations to keep the Jew in the dock defending him/herself, to keep all eyes on the supposed misdeeds of Jews and wipe clean the brutality and ugliness of those who wish them harm.

                • As I have mentioned before, any attempt to discuss either Israel and its policies – or the “holocaust” – in a rational and reasoned manner rapidly results in name calling and insults. Why is this? Why are we critics of Israel not allowed to voice or objections to its treatment of the Palestinians without being accused of being “anti-semites” or deranged Nazis? Why are no serious investigations allowed into the claims made about the “holocaust” without threats of violence or fines or prison sentences being made on those who ask perfectly valid questions? Why is a psychopathic, murderous thug like Rabbi Baruch Goldstein revered as a hero and a “martyr” in Israel? Why is the vile, racist Rabbi Dov Lior allowed to preach his messages of hate and violence freely in Israel without fear of criticism or being arrested? Why are Jewish settlers allowed to abuse and attack Palestinians who have lived there for centuries – and get away with it? Why aren’t Palestinians entitled to return to their homeland or receive compensation for land stolen and homes bulldozed. Jews with the most tenuous connection to the “holocaust” are in receipt of compensation from a generation of Germans who were not even born in World War 2. I suppose it is all just a question for one law for the “Goyim” and one law for “God’s chosen people!”.

                • The only question remaining unsolved is whether you are a left extremist anti-Semite or a right extremist one.
                  On the other hand it is as unimportant a question as you are as person, scum. Jump back into your brown swamp.

              • …because we all know what happens next…
                Be warned Appio – you will be forcibly circumcised… (if you had any “base” for that…)

  3. “Last night in Parliament (ex-Liberal Democrat) Baroness Jenny Tonge said “If they had only obeyed their own Ten Commandments and half the stuff in the Old Testament…Israel could have been a force for good in the world” (see clip here from 8 mins. 35 secs.)”

    Jenny Tonge’s tongue makes Miley Cyrus’s look positively attractive.

    If she would only shut up the world would be a better place.

    • If she would only shut up the world would be a better place.

      She has the right to rant and rave – as long as it’s within the (padded) confines of her home.
      But why allow her to spout her bile within parliament??

      Plus: that’s taxpayers’ money funding that meeting, right?
      (although perhaps the poster Gerald would object to me having the audacity to express an opinion on internal UK affairs)

      • Jenny Tonge’s views merely represent the feelings of a great deal of people in Britain (and throughout the rest of the World) and in voicing her disgust about Isreal and its treatment of the Palestinians – she is only doing her duty as a parliamentary represesentative. You might that understand the idea of free speech – but it is a long established principle in democratic States – or is Israel non as “democratic” as we are always being told?

        • Yes this is correct. Every sign points to the fact that Tonge’s views represent the feelings of the tens of millions of European Jew-haters including a great deal of the British left and naturally the views of the huge majority of the world’s Muslim population. That the members of her electorate expect her to be concerned with a problem thousands of miles away from their electoral district is questionable, but obviously her ideology influences their emotions in a positive way for her reelection.
          BTW your educational rant about free speech simply amazing, showing that you simply hasn’t the slightest idea what it means, what are it’s limits. FYI in the UK there are much more limitations regarding the right to free expression than in Israel.

          • So I suppose I would be allowed to discuss the “holocaust” freely in Israel – as freely as I would any other historical event. Give me a break! That’s one subject I note – whose “truth” has to be protected by the force of criminal law – notwithstanding all the proven lies which have been told about it by “survivors” such as Eli Wiesel.

            • Adam, what`s your policy concerining Holocaust deniers?
              As there are many websites where scum like him can publish their hate, such primitive a person shouldn`t be allowed to spread its hate at this website.

            • Appio, Appio why am I not surprised that a card carrying Holocaust denier neo-Nazi like yourself suddenly became a champion for Palestinian rights? But please keep up posting your textbook examples of modern day anti-Semitism, you are doing a great service to the Zionist cause…

            • Peter Appio:

              “So I suppose I would be allowed to discuss the “holocaust” freely in Israel – as freely as I would any other historical event.”

              Yes you would.

              “Give me a break!”

              No probs. Looks like you need a Kit Kat.

        • a) Israelis certainly do abide by the principle of free speech.
          b) I’m not Israeli.
          c) You are an arse.

        • If you doubt that speech is free in Israel, you clearly have no grasp on reality at all. Israel is possibly the freest place in the world to express your views – and you don’t have to take my word for it. EVERY non-partisan monitor of such things that I have seen gives Israel the highest possible rating for freedom of speech, of conscience, of the press. As if your “apartheid” slurs, your Holocaust denial and your other baseles, hate-filled invective on this site were not enough to prove that your grip on reality is worse than a new-born rabbit’s grip on the underside of a glass box that has been smeered with oil would be, then this is.

        • “Jenny Tonge’s views merely represent the feelings of a great deal of people in Britain…”

          Nearly all people in Britain never give Israel/Palestinians a second’s thought.

          • Re. Jenny Tonge’s views
            Ask people on the streets of Britain what was “the greatest injustice in the last 100 years”, and see how many would think of the Palestinians.

            (that said, sadly the top answer would probably be “changing Marathon bars to Snickers”)

  4. They are not anti-Semites at all – they are anti-Zionists.
    Welcome to Europe 70 years after the Holocaust…

  5. “If they had only obeyed their own Ten Commandments”…”must start behaving properly and treat people…the way they want to be treated”…”Israel is a ‘threat to world peace and a threat to itself'”…”They are clever”…”What happened to the Palestinians is the greatest injustice in the last 100 years”…

    Anyone have any lingering doubts that Tonge is a raving anti-Semite?

    • What happened to the Palestinians is the greatest injustice in the last 100 years
      Naturally including the murder of six million European Jews.

      • It didn’t take long for you to bring up the “holocaust” did it? I will not enter into a discussion about the long and dishonourable claims of “six million Jews being murdered” which stretch back to long before World War Two – but will refer you to the involvement of Jewish Bolsheviks in the murder of millions of innocent victims in communist Russia – the “Holomodor”. We don’t hear much about those victims – or their murderers do we? Educate yourself about that particular atrocity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQU_UEcl5U

          • What exactly is a “holocaust denier”? Someone who has read the distorted and mendacious accounts of survivors such as Eli Wiesel? Was made to read “Anne Frank’s Diary” at school – only to find out that it was written by a Mr. Levy for Anne Frank’s father in biro years after the war and that Mr. Levy had to sue Mr. Frank in court for his fee in writing the “Diary”? Or that a Mr. Hecht wrote an article in Reader’s Digest in 1943 claiming that “6 million Jews” were in danger of being murdered in Nazi occupied Europe? Or that “4 million” people did not die at Auschwitz? So many lies and exaggerations have been so obviously told about that particular historical event (which was in no way “exceptional”) that the whole issue is in need of further research. It has been clearly used as an “emotional weapon” to allow the Jewish people to get away with a great many crimes against humanity in Palestine.

            • What exactly is a “holocaust denier”?
              You are asking a very simple question little Appio and try to give a somehow longish answer instaed the simple one what can be expressed with one word:
              You

            • I wonder if that scum is a neo nazi or a left extremist, set up as “pacifist”. Those people are so easy to confuse nowadays.
              Especially the revisionist lying about the murdered by confounding the estimated six millions which could be nearer to seven at whole with those murdered at Auchwitz is popular within the right extremist and neo nazi groups.
              But the constant linking to the Palestinian cause might be a trace to the left extrem “pacifist and human right” (ob-)scene.

            • No Need to praise him, he is on the right side, but sometimes he is just a bit slow or unwilling to understand the implications we instantly feel. Well, he would Point to a paranoid Status of mind, which is quite true, that we see things which aren`t be there, and we will tell him every time that after the Holocaust the things are there, which is quite true.

              • he would Point to a paranoid Status of mind

                Me? Show me where I have ever suggested such a thing.

                • Metaphoricallly spoken you did it a lot of times, f.e. in your critic of Adam`s representations of certain wordings at The Guardian, in your view misrepresentations.

                • @ Fritz
                  Your wods again:
                  he would Point to a paranoid Status of mind
                  i.e. within the general context of Jews citing anti-Semitism.

                  I wouldn’t and I don’t!

                  You’ve once again made shit up.

                  You may apologise.

    • “treat people the way they want to be treated”

      Maybe J. Tonge should google “Syrians in Israeli hospitals” (as a random example).

    • “What happened to the Palestinians is the greatest injustice in the last 100 years”

      Bloody hell, she actually said that??

      (and yes, that’s a rhetorical question)

    • It didn’t take you long to raise the “anti-Semitic” defence did it Jeff? We are tired of that old trick. It has been exposed for the semantic tactic of trying to intimidate and discredit anyone who opposes Israel and its policies. You’ll be bringing up the holocaust next! Here is a former Israeli Minister explaining how this works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE

  6. If only Jenny Tonge could obey the Ten Commandments! (Especially the one about bearing false witness.) I do believe they were incorporated into the New Testament.
    She’s clever, and a threat to world peace. We must boycott Jenny’s goods, i.e., what she’s trying to sell. She and her ilk put so much pressure on politicians. We must do the same.

  7. Oh, I forgot to mention this little gem from the Baroness (certainly no lady).
    “We will not be silenced.” Always good for a giggle.

  8. I have in the past sometimes challenged CiFW for – arguably – not putting certain individuals’ quotes in a fair and proper context.

    In the cases of Tonge, Ward and Nazir, however, there’s no need for such scrutiny.
    All the quotes cited in this article are repulsive.

      • I am sorry you find the truth about what a great many people think about Israel “repulsive” – but most people who understand what Israel has done and continues to to do to the Palestinians consider Israel’s behaviour “repulsive”, inhuman and a war crime.

        • Melanie Philips, a British author and publisher, said the film told the “story of the utmost treachery and malice, as the British upended their international treaty obligation” under the mandate. She argued that the British public is besieged with anti-Israel propaganda that obscures the history of British action during the mandate.

          “It is essential that people understand this history, in order to show them that, contrary to what they believe, Israel stands for law, history and justice,” she said.

          http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Film-Relations-between-Israel-UK-tarnished-by-Mandate-period-330630

        • I’m sorry you don’t understand how flat out stupid you sound. I’m sorry you continue to use some passive aggressive stance to “prove” to a bunch of faceless Yids that you are not a raging anti-Semite who couldn’t argue his way out of a paper bag. Oh well. The world is full of shit, which is how you fit right in.

        • I’m curious.. has Jenny Tonge said anything about the Malian slave trade.. Darfur genocide the atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Uighurs and Tibetans?

          Or her hatred is only against Israel and its people?

          • Effector – why do you raise such tiny blips in the history of humanity such as the murder of up to half a million people in Darfur? Surely this doesn’t compare to the inconvenience of some people having to go through check-points when they travel from one country to another, or the terrible injustice of a country defending itself against people who wish to see it destroyed?

  9. “The campaign will run for five years to galvanize international support in seeking an apology from British authorities, for the many human rights violations in Palestine during British Mandate.”
    Thus says the blurb in the Palestine Return Centre web-site advertising the “event.”

    But from what was reported, none of the speakers referred to this period and only concentrated on alleged violations by Israel, thereby emphasizing their anti-Israel agenda once again. Totally self-defeating.

  10. David Ward needs to take his grievance about the creation of Israel to a much Higher authority than the British Parliament. G-d is the one who created Israel some 3500 years ago.

  11. Lord Ahmed:

    “East Jerusalem is being evacuated slowly, there is ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people. Whether they are Christian or they are Muslim…”

    No Palestinian Jews then.
    There’s your Apartheid state Mr Ward…

  12. On the topic of the post, I have to say that if I had known that Tonge, Ward, Nazir and Hassassian were all going to be in the same room, I might have been tempted to recreate the climactic scene in Inglorious Basterds. Too tempting with all those bad eggs in one basket!

    By the way, for the challenged of thought, I am not seriously proposing the violent murder of these people (or any person for that matter), but I can have my little fantasies, can’t I?

  13. I did not know there was a Palestinian state. Is it a member of the UN? or is that why I missed. Rumours are abound that what could have been a Palestinian state is occupied by Apartheid Israel

    • Rumours are abound that what could have been a Palestinian state is occupied by Apartheid Israel
      What could have been a Palestinian state more than 60 years ago has been fucked up by it’s leaders and religiofascists like Hamas with the support of the Arab League and Muslim brothers. Instead they are dreaming a really apartheid state without Jews. But they are not alone – they have the support of your type of European Jew-haters who are ready to fight the Jews to the last drop of blood… of the Palestinians.

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