Independent

Indy columnist who ‘fears Jews’ smears the Jewish State


The Jews of today scare me and I find it almost impossible to talk to most of them, including relatives. Any criticism of the policies of Israel – including the disgraceful treatment of Holocaust survivors as well as refugees from murderous regimes – is regarded as treason and/or anti-Semitism. Most papers and journals will not even publish articles on the subject for fear of a Jewish backlash. Goyim (gentiles) are often treated with ill-concealed contempt, yet the Jews are always the victims. Am I prejudiced against Jews? Alas, yes. – Mira Bar-Hillel

Mira Bar-Hillel represents proof that the stubborn reality of Israel’s progressive advantages in the region in the civil rights protections afforded to minority groups, and the absence of anything resembling codified discrimination, aren’t impediments for anti-Zionist commentators who wish to smear the state with the charge of Apartheid.

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Interestingly, Bar-Hillel’s Dec. 13 op-ed in The Independent, Israel and Apartheid: Confused? You will be‘, deals almost entirely with issues tangential to the narrative she’s trying to advance, such as Binyamin Netanyahu’s decision not to attend Nelson Mandela’s memorial, and Israeli arms sales to Pretoria in the 70s and 80s (which, contrary to her suggestion, actually represented a miniscule percentage of the regime’s military imports).  

So, Bar-Hillel actually bases her insinuation of a parallel between Apartheid South Africa and Israel on two sentences in her final paragraph:

Maps which were only revealed in the past few days show how the Israelis plan to create bantustans for the Nomadic Bedouin in its southern Negev region. Tens of thousands of them would be forced into ghettoes to make way for new Jewish towns and military zones. A-word, anyone?

Of course, the word “bantustans” was used by the Indy columnist specifically because of its common association with a system of codified racial segregation in South Africa.  According to the common definition of the term, it refers to the following:

Bantustan, also known as Bantu homeland, South Africa homeland, or black state,  any of 10 former territories that were designated by the white-dominated government of South Africa as pseudo-national homelands for the country’s black African (classified by the government as Bantu) population during the mid- to late 20th century. The Bantustans were a major administrative device for the exclusion of blacks from the South African political system under the policy of apartheid, or racial segregation.

The 1959 Promotion of Bantu Self-Government Act relabeled the reserves as “homelands,” or Bantustans, in which only specific ethnic groups were to have residence rights. Later, the Bantu Homelands Citizenship Act of 1970 defined blacks living throughout South Africa as legal citizens of the homelands designated for their particular ethnic groups—thereby stripping them of their South African citizenship and their few remaining civil and political rights. 

In contrast to such racist legislation, what’s known in Israel as the Prawer-Begin Plan (the plan, recently shelved by the government, which Bar-Hillel is alluding to) represented an effort to settle the problem of 70-90,000 Israeli-Bedouin living in unrecognized villages in the Israeli Negev, and the resulting land claims.  The plan would have legalized a large majority of the unrecognized land, but called for roughly one-third of this population to relocate (with full compensation in money and land) to recognized, planned and developed towns within a few kilometers of their current homes.

Alternatively, as these Israeli-Bedouin are Israeli citizens with full civil rights protected under the law, they could of course choose to live elsewhere – indeed anywhere in the country.  Bar-Hillel’s suggestion that even one Israeli Bedouin would be forced into a “bantustan” (conveying to readers the impression that they’ll be legally segregated from the rest of Israeli society) is a total lie.

As Bar-Hillel continues to engage in such smears, half-truths and distortions about Israel, it’s becoming evident that “the Jews of today” scare her a lot more than her increasing notoriety as a bigoted, dishonest journalist.

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  1. Commie AsAJews are some of Israel’s most bigoted enemies. I’m not surprised ordinary Jews scare her. All communists and Israel-bashers are scared by anything or anyone that challenges their discredited ideology (such as, say, reality). Mind you as she’s writing in the Indie her article is only going to be read by other anti-Israel bigots so who cares.

  2. Yes. The anti-Israel writers would have us all believe that the white regime in South Africa survived purely on support from Israel and seem unable to recognize the absurdity of the notion. But I suppose that of they believe that Israel was indeed a nation of supermen, then it could supply weaponry, oil, banking facilities, motor vehicles, machinery and goodness knows what else all on its own. Fortunately, there is more realistic evidence of the true upholders of Apartheid South Africa up to and including its last days.
    http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1988/09/mm0988_04.html

  3. ABtalyon – is it because of this absudity that you allude to prevented the Prime MInister of Israel attending the funeral in South Africa? Or was it too expensive to install another double bed on an El-Al Plane? Could the plane used to travel to London not have been used again? May be not in the absurd world.

    • Maybe he didn’t want ascend to the level of his colleagues making ‘selfies” and joking at the memorial service? Sara is very jealous you know…
      BTW your rant about the beds is pure and unadultered bullshit. The expected expenses involved the delivery of armored cars and a huge party of security personnel due the lack of proper security in South-Africa. They don’t need it , the president has enough household members to guard him.

    • I guess Bibi’s security detail had better info about the psychotic killer who has been allowed to be less than five meter from Obama…

    • Again, just mere criticism of Israel, no doubt. Since you’re an authority, how much Arab royalty showed up? The new leadership in Iran? Any South American leaders? Did the president of Mexico attend? I really don’t know, but I’m certain you have a list because your criticism isn’t meant to goad but rather educate, right?

      I do know that the Obamas shared the same plane ride as the Clintons and Bushes, so, yes, it does cost a lot of money to fly an entire detail to South Africa for a funeral. So much that the all-loving and all-knowing American leadership you no doubt claim are the sole reasons for Israel’s existence decided to carpool.

      You using this to your advantage is right up your pathetic alley. The people who politicize a funeral are the same ones who paste up posters of their suicide bombing heroes. As such, you exemplify how much of a pathetic ass you happen to be, and I’ve got news for you…. Pathetic asses don’t deserve their own state. Don’t ever forget that.

  4. Israel is an apartheid state because of the following:
    About 95 per cent of the land has been nationalised for one religious group (Jews) to the exclusion of another ethnic group (Palestinian Arabs). and there are vetting committees that operate by law in hundreds of communities precisely to prevent one ethnic group (Palestinian Arabs) from living in these communities.

    There are two separate citizenship laws – the Law of Return (1950) and the Citizenship Law (1952) – which are designed to confer rights on members of a religious group (Jews) who are not actually yet citizens or present in the state, privileging them over a group (Palestinian Arabs) who do have citizenship and are present in the state.

    It has 55 laws that explicitly discriminate based on which ethnic or religious group you belong to.

    It defers some of what should be its sovereign powers to extra-territorial bodies such as the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund whose charters obligate them to discriminate based on religious belonging.

    It does not recognise its own nationality, in fact. according to its Supreme Court there’s no such thing as an Israeli national because that would make it a state for all its citizens. There are Jewish “nationals” and Arabs. And the Jews in Israel are privileged, while the minorities are denied land and are discriminated against legally.

  5. Trevor Trevor lies and distorts, as per usual with the antisemitic anti-Zionist crowd.

    “95% of the land has been nationalised for one religious group”– because he defines Israel as a state for one religious group, he defines nationalised land held by the Israeli state as for one religious group. A tautological fallacy, a closed loop of illogic.
    “Committees that operate by law” — in other words, private groups like kibbutzim choosing their members. How many Arabs have applied to live in kibbutzim? The number is miniscule. Once there is peace, and security is no longer an issue, we can expect more social integration. But this is not apartheid, as there is absolutely nothing stopping groups of Jews and Arabs who wish to form communal organizations from doing so. Non-private organizations, such as towns and cities, allready have Jews and Arabs living together.

    “Separate citizenship laws”– by this he refers to the law of return. Israel was created by the UN to provide a haven to the world’s most persecuted minority in history. Denigrating the law of return– a humanitarian measure that has provided safety and security to millions of peresecuted people, historically rejected by every country on earth– most notably during the Holocaust– is a disgusting example of lack of concern for Jewish lives. Such is the mentality of antisemites and Israel haters.

    “55 laws that explicitly discriminate.” So now the number is supposedly 55. Hah! You see various numbers cited by the antisemitic anti-Israel crowd. When asked for specifics, they lie and distort, even including proposals by small groups in the Knesset that never became law. Invariably, they cite the provision for the design of the Israeli flag! How many countries in Europe have crosses on their flags? How many Muslim countries have the crescent on their flags? Also cited in these lists are various security measures taken to reduce terrorism. A total disregard for Israeli lives is the hallmark of the antisemitic anti-Zionist crowd.

    Under apartheid, non-white South Africans were stripped of their South African citizenship and denied every civil right. To claim Israel is an apartheid state is to deny the extent of the suffering of non-whites under apartheid. Those who make this claim seek to destroy the only Jewish majority state on earth. Israel is not perfect, but liars and distorters who demonize it as an apartheid state reveal themselves as antisemites by this demonization.

    • Israel was Apartheid South Africa’s best friend. It sold billions of dollars worth of arms to the regime to help oppress the non-white majority. It also learnt from the mistakes of Apartheid South Africa. But it’s still an Apartheid state that privileges one religious group, the Jews, over the indigenous Palestinian population.

      • “Best friend.” Another lie. South Africa’s number one trading partner was the US, at 3.4 billion a year, followed by Japan at 2.9, Germany 2.8, the UK 2.6. Israel’s annual trade was 200 million– less than 1% of the total. As for arms, every major western country sold arms to South Africa at one point or another. Israel was far down the list of overall suppliers.
        One thing South Africa could not do without was oil. It got all of its supply from middle eastern Muslim countries, primarily Saudi Arabia. Imagine the effect of an oil boycott on South Africa– but one was never imposed.
        http://www.2nd-thoughts.org/id26.html

      • See my post above and click on the link. After you’ve read the article- written in 1988- come back and tell us that Israel was SA’s “best friend.”

  6. Jeff looked it up and here it is
    Defines The occupation of Palestine perfectly

    Indigenous peoples are peoples defined in international or national legislation as having a set of specific rights based on their historical ties to a particular territory, and their cultural or historical distinctiveness from other populations that are often politically dominant.[1] The concept of indigenous peoples defines these groups as particularly vulnerable to exploitation, marginalization and oppression by nation states that may still be formed from the colonising populations, or by politically dominant ethnic groups. As a result, a special set of political rights in accordance with international law have been set forth by international organizations such as the United Nations, the International Labour Organization and the World Bank.[2] The United Nations have issued a Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples to guide member-state national policies to collective rights of indigenous peoples—such as culture, identity, language, and access to employment, health, education, and natural resources. Although no definitive definition of “indigenous peoples” exists, estimates put the total population of post-colonial indigenous peoples who seek human rights and discrimination redress from 220 million to 350 million.[3]

    • “Defines The occupation of Palestine perfectly”
      Well, no it doesn’t, but I can certainly see why you avoided the dictionary.
      And yes, Arabs do have a distinctive culture and history, but why are they busy claiming Jewish land for themselves based on a phony connection to an ancient people with which they have no “distinctive” historical, cultural, or any other kind of connection? The Palestinian leadership puts a lot of time, money (yours, by the way) and effort into establishing this false pedigree.
      I could just as easily claim to be an Iroquois. At least that was a real nation whose name I can pronounce in my mother tongue.

    • Uh, Terry, can you verify the 3 sources that create this perfect definition? Or do you just copy and paste from Wikipedia in an effort to make yourself seem somewhat edumacated. Yes, that’s a rhetorical question, Dipshit.

  7. ‘Although no definitive definition of “indigenous peoples” exists, estimates put the total population of post-colonial indigenous peoples who seek human rights and discrimination redress from 220 million to 350 million’.

    Around 1 million of them are the Jews formerly resident in Iran and the Arab states, who have been driven out of the countries of their birth because of their ethnicity.

    Not that you give a fuck about them, of course.

  8. Of course Jeff is right Palestinians whose grandfathers, fathers and themselves were born in Palestine have no right to Palestine. Yet the Jews whose ancestors left the land over 2000 years ago have every right to chuck the Palestinians off their lands. I understand, due to protests worldwide, the Israeli government has shelved its plans to remove over 30,000 Bedouins from Nagev. Is the Zionist project in disarray?

    • You’ve got this one track mind of abject idiocy. What have you done in your life? You haven’t learned anything about this situation. You don’t read books that cover the history so you know something intelligent when heading into these waters. You don’t even possess a compassion for the topic of Peace. All you’ve got are these stories that are historically completely inaccurate. Pushed off land? WHEN? 1948? 1956? 1967? BE SPECIFIC, CHAMP. But that’s impossible for you.

      You specifically hate Israel. That’s it. That’s all you got. You don’t reason. You don’t need facts. You need straw men because you’ve got the brains of a scarecrow. You need an anonymous moniker because you have no guts. You have created your own reasoning for being unreasonable. You are a nothing, and you deserve nothing. Another thing you don’t understand, of course, is that other Palestinians are tainted by your hate mongering bullshit. Other Palestinians don’t have a state, in part because they haven’t goaded their own leaders into treating the desires of achieving Peace over the desires of making War.

      Look at what you’re doing here. Posting and re-posting completely inane and utter bullshit about your supposed victimhood. You’re pathetic because you are that way. Again, don’t ever forget that. The problem with you is that in conflict you feel alive and free. Typical batshittery. It doesn’t make you a warrior. It makes you a fool.

    • Dear Hkim Binam in January 1915 at the start of his memo. titled “The Future of Palestine”, which he submitted to the British Cabinet, Herbert Samuel wrote the following;

      “The course of events opens a prospect of a change, at the end of the war, in the status of Palestine. Already there is a stirring among the twelve million Jews scattered throughout the countries of the world. A feeling is spreading with great rapidity that now, at last, some advance may be made, in some way, towards the fulfilment of the hope and desire, held with unshakable tenacity for eighteen hundred years, for the restoration of the Jews to the land to which they are attached by ties almost as ancient as history itself.”

      So tell me Hkim which part of the phrase “..the restoration of the Jews to the land to which they are attached by ties almost as ancient as history itself.” Are you unable, or more likely unwilling, to understand?

    • Oh, of course, let’s not forget the grandfathers, but grandmothers, eh, forgetting them is O.K. I guess when you’re from a misogynistic culture.
      By the way, a lot of grandfathers in “Palestine” were Jews. Question: Just how many of them does Abbas or his kissin’ cousins in Hamas claim as authentic members of the “Palestinian People of Historical Palestine between the River and the Sea TM.” I’ll bet none. I’ll bet it’s an exclusive club; i.e., non-Arabs need not apply, i.e., “we don’t take Jews.”
      As for the Bedouins, aka Israelis with full legal rights, they were about a lift out of poverty and a better life, but now, thanks to you (according to you), they get to remain slum dwellers. How proud you must be!

  9. So here are the facts – The announcement by former minister Benny Begin that he was taking the bill for regulating Bedouin settlement in the Negev – known as the Prawer Plan – off the Knesset agenda caused a sigh of relief among the Bedouin residents of the unrecognized villages, whose vast majority opposed the bill. The proposed law was meant to relocate nearly 30,000 Bedouin to recognized communities in the Negev and proposed granting some compensation for the land claims of those who agree to resettle.

    Despite the residents’ joy at the shelving of the Prawer Plan, one should not mistake the burying of the bill as a sign that the problem has disappeared. The tens of thousands of Bedouin citizens of Israel living in the Negev’s unrecognized villages will not rest on the laurels of their struggle against the bill and return to living modest lives without infrastructure or development in conditions appropriate for a Third World country and not a state that takes pride in being the Middle East’s only democracy.

    and now go and sit in the corner contemplate the facts of living on stolen lands – koufaxmitzvah

  10. Oh Jeff Where have I heard this before? We put them in camps for their own good. As for Samuel, he is deluded and so are you if you think you have more rights to a home than a person who lives in that home and whose ancestors built that home that your ancestors left some 1800 years ago.

    • Dear Hkim when you write, “As for Samuel, he is deluded..” you give a clear example of a logical and reasoned argument.

      “..a person who lives in that home and whose ancestors built that home that your ancestors left some 1800 years ago.”
      So this ‘mythical’ person must have ancestors who were living there and building homes there more than 2,000 years ago.
      Your evidence for this remarkable claim is what exactly?

      By the way I live in the same country as my ancestors, and can trace my roots back to the Roman era.

    • “Oh Jeff Where have I heard this before? We put them in camps for their own good.”
      I have no idea where you have heard that. As for myself, the first time I heard that one was from a self-declared Communist and staunch supporter of the Soviet Union and defender of the so-called Palestinian Cause.

  11. Of course you can Gerald of course you can. You also have the freehold documents dating to the Roman period. Is it not what the Afrikaaners claimed. God gave them Africa. I am glad you see the absurdity of your claim.

    • Thank you Hkim, now would you like to present your evidence for your remarkable claim that “..a person who lives in that home and whose ancestors built that home that your ancestors left some 1800 years ago.”

      If you wish to discuss Africa its history, and my own country’s role in its history, I am happy to do so on an appropriate website at an appropriate time.

      Now shall we get back to your remarkable claims, I am eagerly waiting for your evidence.

  12. Gerald Here is the evidence – The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, an-Nakbah, lit. “disaster”, “catastrophe”, or “cataclysm”),[1] occurred when approximately 711,000 to 726,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[2] The term nakba also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians December 1947 to January 1949, and is synonymous in that sense with what is known to Israelis as the War of Independence (Hebrew: מלחמת העצמאות or מלחמת הקוממיות, Milkhemet Ha’atzma’ut, a term which covers those two events).[3][4][5][6]

    The exact number of refugees is a matter of dispute.[7] But around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the total Arab of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[8][9] The causes remain also the subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, attacks against Arab villages and fears of massacre after Deir Yassin,[10]:239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic; expulsion orders by Zionist authorities; the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes,[11] the collapse in Palestinian leadership,[12] and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.[13] Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[14][15] Later in the war, Palestinians were expelled as part of Plan Dalet.[16] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[17][18][19] while others dispute this charge.[20][21][22]

    • Wikipedia is not evidence. And if you don’t cite your sources (22 of them in this silly post of yours) then you are plagiarizing. If hate mongers don’t know the laws, then they can’t really be authorities on history.

      It’s sad that this is what you celebrate.

    • Dear Hkim WHERE is the evidence?
      Remember your claim that “..a person who lives in that home and whose ancestors built that home that your ancestors left some 1800 years ago.”

      Where in the piece that you have copy and pasted from Wikipedia does it state who built the homes between 1,800 and 2,000 years ago?

      I presume that you are aware that 1948 was not 1,800 years ago?
      I presume you are also aware that the memo. from Herbert Samuel I quoted earlier was written in January 1915, so it pre-dates 1948?
      Or am I being over generous and crediting you with intelligence you do not posses?

      Either back up your remarkable claim, as I have now requested several times, or withdraw it.

    • Hey Hkim. On this site, we have gone over the issue of the Palestinian “refugees” a million times, but for your sake let’s re-hash some of the arguments. Undoubtedly, there were a large number (generally estimated as 7-800,000) of Arabs who were displaced during the War of Independence/Nakba which, do please remember, only happened because the Arabs refused to accept the UN partition plan and decided to attempt to wipe the nascent Israel off the map. At a similar time, around trhe same number of Jews were expelled/left Arab countries which carried out massacres and made it perfectly clear that the Jews were no longer welcome in the homes THEY had lived in for centuries.

      Just a few years earlier, World War II created tens of millions of refugees of many creeds and nationalitiess.

      So far so good. All of these groups could claim to be refugees, and I would argue most certainly were. Let’s note forget that many millions more have been made refugees since due to conflict, famine, persecution, natural disaster etc etc.

      Now – what happened next? Every single one of the Jewish refugees made new lives – whether in Israel, the UK, the UIS or in many countries around the World. Jews are good at that – we have thousands of years of experience as refugees.

      Is there one single World War II refugee still claiming that status, or being funded by the UN to maintain some fantaastic dream of turning the clock back? Of course there isn’t. That would be absurd. They all found new homes (some went back to their original homes, but many millions could not do so).

      The ONLY people in the entirety of history who have retained “refugee” status for more than a few years is the third group, the Palestinian Arabs who were displaced in 1947-8 and all their descendants. Only ONE refuge group has had its own UN agency set up to cater for it – the rest have to make do with sharing the meagre resources of the UNHCR. Only ONE group of refugees insists that of the three “durable solutions” to refugee issues recommended by the said UNHCR, only ONE – return, is acceptable. Only ONE group of “refugees ” has been left to fester in “camps” and denied citizenship of their host countries with whom they shaer far greater cultural ties than the country to which they seek to return.

      What makes Palestinians so damned special?

  13. Gerald you are missing the point. My grandfather lived in that house 2000 years ago does not cut it. It is an absurd claim when 60 years ago a Palestinian lived in that house that was at most be just over 100 years old. So a Zionist grandfather or grandmother never lived in that house 2000 years ago. Sheer absurdity of the claim is astounding. I was trying to point out to you politely the stupdity of the claim it is mine because my grandfather owned it some 2000 years ago. Now I hope you get it.

    • So your argument, Hakim, is that people should be allowed to return to the lamd they owned and were displaced from 60 years ago (by which I assume you mean 65), but not to the land they owned and were displaced from 2,000 years ago?

      Tell, me o wise Hkim, where does the entitlement end? If 150 years? In which case the native American peoples should all be given back teh ownershiop of huge chunks of North America, the descendants of European “settleres” should be forced to hand Sydney and Melbourne back to the Abroigines and Wellington and Christchurch to the Maoris.

      Perhaps you prefer 65 years as the limit? OK then – South Africa rightfully belongs to teh white man, as does Rhodesia, Tanganika and pretty much all of West Africa.

      That’s the thing about history – times change. Most people move on and adapt to changing circumstances. You wnat to freeze time at a moment 65 yerars ago and turn back teh clock. Sorry pal – it just don’t work that way.

    • “My grandfather lived in that house 2000 years ago does not cut it.”

      Does anybody actually claim that?

    • Dear Hkim no I am not missing any point.
      You made the remarkable claim that “..a person who lives in that home and whose ancestors built that home that your ancestors left some 1800 years ago.”
      When asked to provide evidence for this claim you have FAILED to do so, and now you are trying to wriggle your way out of the ludicrous claim rather than retract it.

      You have answered my question in my post today @10:05 AM when I asked you “Or am I being over generous and crediting you with intelligence you do not posses?”

      Indeed I was being over generous in crediting you with intelligence you do not posses. Clearly there is also good reason to doubt your veracity as well.

    • “It is an absurd claim when 60 years ago a Palestinian lived in that house ”
      Was he or she an Arab or a Jew?

  14. Labenal you are not very observant the Natives of America were wiped out. Very few remain. Unfortunately for the Zionist project the complete genocide of any peoples is not possible in the 21st century. You may not have noticed nothing belongs to the colonizers. Algeria, most of Africa and Asia is a prme example of colonialism is always reversed in the modern period. I hear there is a net migration of Europeans and other Westerners in the recent decades. As for Africa belongng to the Whites, even the Afrikaaners do not believe they own Africa.

    • Ah now I get it. So your argument is that it is because Israel has not been more brutal with the Palestinians, and has therefore failed to “wipe them out” that they still have a claim to the land. If only we had known that all we needed to do for a bit of piece was a spot of genocide! Thanks for the advice.

      As for your claim that “genocide is not possible in the 21st century”, well I’m sure the few remaining Tamils (for one) will find that very reassuring.

    • Hkim in one post: “Is it [long-term residence] not what the Afrikaaners claimed. God gave them Africa.”

      Hkim just two posts later: “even the Afrikaaners do not believe they own Africa.”

      Good comedy stuff, Hkim – keep it coming!

    • Oh dear me Hkim.
      “Labenal you are not very observant the Natives of America were wiped out. Very few remain.”

      If the Natives of America were wiped out then none remain!

      Hkim have you always been a brainless pillock?

    • Unfortunately for the Zionist project the complete genocide of any peoples is not possible in the 21st century.

      Oh shut up. The “Zionist project” has never envisaged genocide or anything remotely similar.
      Where do you get your information? Zündel.org?

  15. In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine… let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
    A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily… it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us… The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all … The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs… and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome… But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases… let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler’s or Mussolini’s propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs.

    Above are the prophetic few sentences from Ben Gurion – of course it seems the Zionists are tiring as Ben Gurion predicted. Of course propoganda is one thing reality is another. If the Zionists can wait for 2000 years before returning to their grand parents homes I am sure Palestinians will wait a few decades.

    • “The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help”

      Really?
      Will the Syrians be coming to help before or after they have finished their civil war?

    • Jane comes here with a copy and paste job much of which she doesn’t seem to understand as shown by her comment at the end.
      Jane, the Zionists (what a beautiful word and concept!) have built a state which is thriving as few other states are.
      As far as “palestinians” waiting to to return to their “grandparents homes,” (yes, folks she really wrote it, I’m not kidding, but am having trouble choking back chuckles) in Jane’s view, what’s a few more decades stripped of their rights, living like human refuse in camps in countries that won’t give them any rights, the policy of the people who “love” them. This situation has been going on for more than just a few decades Jane. And the way the Arabs are going about things it could be 2 thousand years before they go to those non-existent, well-romanticized dwellings on lands, most of which were owned by the Ottoman Turks. But, of course, as their leaders have stated time and again, they must be kept in shitty camps otherwise they might forget they’re Palestinians. How’s that for a rock solid identity? For Jane to write of their predicament so callously is, of course, nothing short of disgusting.

  16. Gerald do not argue with me Ben Gurion said it – so argue with him – I suspect he is more right than you –

    • “Gerald do not argue with me Ben Gurion said it – so argue with him – I suspect he is more right than you -”

      How do you propose that I argue with Ben Gurion?

      You posted the alleged quote. Are you now claiming that although you posted the alleged quote you disagree with it but you posted it anyway?
      Or did you post the alleged quote because you agree with it?

      And my question still stands. Such a pity that it is an inconvenient truth that you find difficult to answer.

    • “Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been”
      Don’t argue with me, argue with Philip Hitti.

  17. Ben Gurion is an expert on the Middle East = After all he led a successful campaign to evacuate the Palestinians from their homes. My money is on him knowing what he is talking about. Of course I agree with his assessment against yours. Your generation of Zionists are getting tired of the conflict and are on the way out. and now turning to brutalising children.

    Twenty-seven Palestinian children were ambushed and arrested by Israel Defense Forces soldiers in Hebron on March 20. Eighteen of them were less than 12 years old, the minimum age at which they can legally be held responsible for a crime.

    This large-scale roundup was arbitrary. Soldiers arrested every child they saw on the street − including first- and second-graders no older than 7 or 8 − on suspicion of throwing stones at roadblock 160, which separates Palestinians from settlers.

    Among them was 8-year-old Ahmed Abu Remeila, who was quoted by Gideon Levy in Haaretz on Friday as saying he was abducted by soldiers on his way to school from the grocery store, where he had bought himself a biscuit, and that he was held at the police station for almost two hours.

    All 18 children under the age of 12 were eventually released, but their arrest was nevertheless utterly reprehensible. Under Israeli law, they should not have been arrested at all. In fact, the law forbid authorities from interrogating the older children as well, unless their parents and attorneys were present. This was not the case.

    • Very interesting that you resort to another copy and paste job rather than answer the questions I put to you.

      Are you going to answer the questions?
      Or can I expect another flurry of copy and paste quotes?