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CiF Watch prompts correction to false Indy claim about “caged” Palestinian kids


A couple of hours ago we posted about a horribly misleading report in The Independent (Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says, Jan. 1) which included the following:

  • The broad, unsubstantiated insinuation, based on very vague wording in a report by the radical NGO PCATI, that Palestinian kids detained by Israeli security personnel are “tortured”.
  • The charge, based on completely uncorroborated allegations, based on a PCATI report, that Palestinian children are sexually abused while in custody.
  • The completely erroneous charge that Palestinian children were cagedfor months”   an allegation which was not even leveled by PCATI, nor by anyone involved in the story.

Following our complaint to Indy editors, the word torture in the headline was placed in quotes and, more importantly, the false charge that Palestinian children were caged for months has been amended.

First, the strap line has been revised. Here’s the original:

strapNow, here the revised version:

revisedAlso, they revised the opening sentence of the story. Here’s the original:

unnamedNow, here’s the revised sentence:

new sentenceDespite this modest improvement, it’s still shameful that such sophomoric agitprop – which, as we noted, engages in a far greater degree of hyperbole than even Electronic Intifada’s post on the same story – saw the light of day in the first place, and evidently got past the eyes of Indy editors.

You may want to Tweet Adam Withnall, the Indy reporter responsible for the story, to respectfully note your objections.

@adamwithnall

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  1. Good God. The pro-Palestinian side really likes to get-off on the very worst human behavior, but only if they lie and blame Israel for it. And that French slob calls the Holocaust Jewish pornography.

    Here’s a 2014 New Year’s resolution for Western media: Don’t believe what Palestinian sources until you VERIFY with a 3rd source. Yes, that is a line taken from Journalism 101.

  2. Well done, although the article itself is still pretty horrendous.

    Do you reckon they’ll actually post an apology or a public correction at the very least?

  3. ” The pro-Palestinian side really likes to get-off on the very worst human behaviour ”

    Whilst this is a great victory for CIFWatch we have in the past seen extraordinary behaviour by the IDF towards young people..the systematic breaking of arms was an astonishing and memorable act for any army let alone the most humanitarian in the world.

    Yes the Indy got it spectacularly wrong but lets not get carried away.

  4. Wow, you should really congratulate yourselves for getting the Independent to change ‘for months’ to ‘going on for months’! The essential point is that prisoners, including children were housed in outdoor cages overnight in all weathers awaiting morning court appearance and that this practice went on for months until Justice Minister Tzipi Livni ordered it to stop. The caging was clearly intended to inflict pain and discomfort and arguably amounted to torture. The Jerusalem Post reports on the affair here:
    http://www.jpost.com/National-News/NGO-accuses-Israel-of-torturing-Palestinian-children-during-winter-storm-336685

    The fact that CifWatch apparently thinks it OK to cage Arab children outdoors in bitter weather conditions (as long as it is just overnight) says a lot about your attitude to Arabs in general.

    • sencar. I don’t think Adam says anywhere in this article (or in the other one that preceded it) that it is “OK to cage Arab children outdoors in bitter weather conditions”. You are simply reading what you want him to say. In fact, he doesn’t make any judgmental comments on that practice at all. Two things:

      1.If there was wrongdoing (and I personally do agree that this practice was wrong) then does that excuse the shameful mis-reporting and exaggeration by the Indy?
      2. Bad things happen and poor (or offensive) decisions are made in every country in the worlsd. the real test is – when these bad things come to light, how are they dealt with. In Israel, the relevant minister acted swiftly to end this practice. Is that not a good thing? That is why, for exam,ple, the UK government were at pains to say that the soldier who shot an unarmed Afghan should be tried for murder in exactly the same way he would have been if he had done so on the streets of Britain. Nobody can guarantee that such thuings won’t occur, but our moral standards dictate that we condemn them when they do and work to ensure they ddon’t happen again. That is what sets us apart from the terrorists who glorify the murder of civilians (yes, Hamas, I am looking at you).

    • You didn’t read the article, did you? Of course not! Who needs to read when Sencar has the need to feed! Bad Israel…. Baaaaaaaadd Israel…. Sencar does NOT approve!1!

    • “arguably amounted to torture.”
      Nothing like a little hyperbole. Sencar is auditioning for the Indy.

  5. This story has now been posted on the Bethlehem Unwrapped Facebook page by a truly nasty piece of work called (rather ironically) “Talula A Bright”

    • “shameful mis-reporting”

      The confusion between ‘for months’ and ‘going on for months’ is obviously due to a misreading of source material. To suggest that it represents a deliberate distortion is clearly ridiculous.

      • sencar – I admire your generosity. So Withnall is merely incompetent, not malicious. So that’s OK then.

        On the other hand, if this was an isolated incident, we’d be happy to agree. But, as is evidenced by the sterling work done by CifWatch, Honest Reporting and others, it is clear that this “misreading of source material” is a common problem and it always seems that people “misread” to Israel’s detriment. Can you explain that?

      • ” is obviously due to a misreading of source material.”
        There is a pattern to the constant misreporting on Israel which points not so much to the source material as a blind trust in demonstrably unreliable sources…over and over again.

  6. “During our visit, held during a fierce storm that hit the state, attorneys met detainees who described to them a shocking picture: in the middle of the night dozens of detainees were transferred to the external iron cages built outside the IPS transition facility in Ramla,” the PDO wrote on its website.”

    So the cage claim was in fact corroborated…Fail for cifwatch.

    Also from the Jpost,

    “The practice of placing the children in outdoor cages was halted when Justice Minister Tzipi Livni learned of it and immediately telephoned Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, telling him to end the practice.”

    Again more fail for cifwatch.

    Btw, your ‘headline’ is misleading as it implies that the caging of children is disputed.

    Will you change your headline, cifwatch?

  7. As member of this obscure watch you are entitled of missing the higher cultural techniques of reading and understanding properly of what was written.
    The fake was to maintain that children were held for months, when it lasted for some hours.
    The JP says:

    “An NGO on Tuesday accused the state of torturing Palestinian children suspected of minor crimes, including placing them in outdoor cages during the worst of the recent storm, and of other acts designed to terrify the children.
    The practice of placing the children in outdoor cages was halted when Justice Minister Tzipi Livni learned of it and immediately telephoned Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, telling him to end the practice.
    International law does little to define torture in a binding manner and groups advocating against torture often argue that ill treatment should also be defined as torture.
    The NGO, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, said the issue was a longstanding one, but that it was drawing special attention to the issue in light of Tuesday’s hearing in the Knesset’s Public Petitions Committee on related issues and a recent report on the issue by the Public Defender’s Office.

    It was unclear who within the Prisons Service initiated the practice, why it was initiated or who decided to continue it despite the adverse weather conditions, but the service responded that since it had received criticism the situation had been improved.

    The Public Committee Against Torture cited the Istanbul Protocol Manual that discusses various authorities illegally using torture or ill treatment to extract information from children. It did also say it is actively campaigning to redefine “torture” at a lower threshold of abuse when it comes to children.”

    So there are no data, but a self empowered NGO immediately calls it a longstanding practice, when nobody knows for how long, or when it was introduced, The second misleading point is that only children without defining their age were held outside, when they were mostly adults, only some minors.
    These special NGOs like to define youths till the age of eighteen and above as children.

    • I never took issue with the ‘months’ claim. In fact i never even mentioned any time period what so ever.

      The issue i took up was whether there was corroboration that children were caged, cifwatch put the word “caged” in quotations and also said,

      “Following our complaint to Indy editors, the word torture in the headline was placed in quotes …”

      Therefore you claimed a ‘victory’ because you got the Independent to wrap quotes around the word torture. So why have cifwatch wrapped quotes around the word caged when it is obviously a fact that Children were caged [again note, i mention no time frame] Seems like you like to dish it ‘eh. I’ll ask again, will cifwatch amend its headline and remove the quotation marks from the word caged?

      Also, i never mentioned torture simply because if you people deny locking children outside in a storm does not equal torture then it is a pointless and futile waste of time of trying to argue that point with people who are clearly close minded. However i will ask this. If you saw one of your neighbours locking a child in an outside cage in any weather would you call social services and/or the police and have them investigate an act of child cruelty?

      Finally, you say, “These special NGOs like to define youths till the age of eighteen and above as children”

      I’m not sure what you mean by “above” but never the less Israel has ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child which defines a child as any person under the age of 18…Which is a massive failure on your part.

      • It is your failure not to read and understand properly, obscure watch.
        1. Withdrawing your unsubstantiated accusations by producing new ones is a clear sign of a closed mind, if mind at all. No surprise with people obsessed by Jews.
        2.. The Convention defines a child as any human being under the age of eighteen, unless the state itself defines the age of majority, earlier or later.
        Israel defines the rock- and firebombthrowers and martyrs in Westjordanland earlier.

        So do your homework at home.

        • 1.I haven’t “withdrawn” anything.

          2.Can you show the law that backs up your claim that “Israel defines the rock- and firebombthrowers and martyrs in Westjordanland earlier.” I assume by “Westjordanland” you mean Palestine?

          Now my two questions.

          Q1.Are you disputing that children were caged?

          Q2.If you saw one of your neighbours locking a child in an outside cage in any weather would you call social services and/or the police and have them investigate an act of child cruelty?

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          • Now where is your corroboration, you first cite a NGO`s claim of “caged chidren” when it is established it were mostly adults who were held imprisoned some hours outdoors, accused of terror against civilians, a crime against humanity, you choose to ignore. Do you support terror against Israeli civilians?

            You use the wording of the NGO, and the definition of the convention without knowledge of the exact content, you do`t know about the Israeli practice, but claim to know, naturally for an ideologue.
            So when CIFwatch doubts the correct use of “caged” by quotes you deny that it is disputed. In the second posting you don`t deny it anymore that it is disputed as you write
            “So why have cifwatch wrapped quotes around the word caged when it is obviously a fact that Children were caged” – obviously, according to some ideologues of the NGO.

            A lot of police stations around the world use “cages” for short imprisoment, and when they are crowded police often use outside facilities, for children, too.
            A prison certainly is a big cage, in your context most prisoners of the world are caged. Well, if you like it that way.
            So what? You want youths accused of terror roaming in your garden, throwing rocks and fire bombs at your house?
            The only important point are the weather conditions and accordingly the critic of this is right, and the responsible authorities took action.

            I`m quite sure that the likes of you are always aware of the conditions of youths imprisoned in Egypt, Lebanon, Irak, Turkey, Syria, etc.
            And that you complain to those responsible authorities there, and that they react accordingly.
            Or is it just about Jews?

            • I note that you fail to show me the law to back up your claim. Is that because there is no such law or is it because you’re afraid to point out discrimination?

              You also fail to answer my other Q…lol

              “when it is established it were mostly adults who were held…”

              ‘Mostly’ So not all were adults. Thanks for clarifying that.

              You then go into a preposterous rant by pointing out other countries cage people too….Projection much?

              • There are so many websites dedicated to the issue of how Israel defines youths in Westjordanland that i assume a profound disability on your part.
                Do you deny that states are entitled to define the age under the convention? When changing subject from police detention (your “caging”) before coming to the bars to “torture” you added accustaions as unsubstantiated as your allegations of “caged children”. Obviously it idoes not constitute a problem to you if adults are “caged” during a winter storm, ´cause you are only interested in the propaganda against the Jewish state. And therefore you adhere to misuse children as propaganda tool.

                Police detention is something you should learn about, before posting.

                You obviously dropped your silly garden example.

                And you chosed to ignore other states’ treatment of youths, self evidentely, as they do not serve as propaganda tool against Israel.

                Do your homework at home.

    • I see the previous CiFW article answered this. I found it hard to believe, hence the query.

      You might have wanted to make that clearer in this article, i.e. that there is no “caging” at all. The issue apparently concerns the kids in question being held outdoors for several hours before being transferred.

      I assume the same happens to Jewish minors while under arrest?

      • “there is no “caging” at all.”
        Errm, the children were put in outdoor cages overnight during the worst of the recent storms.

        “I assume the same happens to Jewish minors while under arrest?”
        If you really believe that Pretz you must be crazy. That’s just not how the Israeli justice system works.

        • Because if anyone knows how the Israeli justice system, it’s an anonymous, Israel and Jew obsessed message board posting dipshit.

          Now that we figured that out, maybe Sencar can tell us how releasing 104 real prisoners serving real time (i.e. with blood on their hands) has helped Sencar seek peace in the Middle East.

        • Pretzy is being ironic .He knows there is a two tier system for dealing with children .The children of the lesser God are kept outside overnight …not for a month like the anti semites allege… just occasionally overnight.

          The Children of the rulers of the only democracy that keeps some children out overnight are vulnerable . If they break the law they are cared for inside.

          This article is an own goal.I had no idea that the Israeli authorities did this at all. To suggest it is ” not for months ” is maybe a measure of how far apart they are from the standards of the civilised world .

          • To suggest it is ” not for months ” is maybe a measure of how far apart they are from the standards of the civilised world .
            Yes berchmans we are so far from the standards of the civilized world that we have the temerity to kick the shit out of those who want to kill us. I understand your frustration, but life is very hard, all of you can do is to troll on a pro-Israeli website and dreaming of raping the child victims of the Holocaust.

            • “we have the temerity to kick the shit out of those who want to kill us.”

              , Your language of unrestrained gratuitous violence is deeply creepy. Fecks sake thank goodness not all Israelis are war mongering blood thirsty goons. Here is to Avnery .

          • You mean those standards:
            allow taking children from their parents without even knowing why…
            allow taking children away from their foster parents due their political affiliations
            allow to the “voice of UK universities” to suggest gender segregation in academic institutions
            allow violently attacking Jewish shops in Central -London
            allow to boycott Israelis by academic institutions and tolerating anti-semitism in trade unions
            etc. etc.

  8. “So there are no data [about the Prisons Service use of caging]”

    There were no data because the Prisons Service either didn’t keep any or deliberately chose to conceal same. For just such behaviour they came under strong criticism from the Knesset’s Public Petitions Committee (see the JP report). The committee “complained that the state “lacked data” for answering the panel’s questions about the frequency and scope of those practices it objected to such as midnight arrests.” They also commented “that the manner of arrest and detention conditions of Palestinian children was violating Israeli law for dealing with children.”