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AIPAC root cause theory: ‘CiF’ again blames Israel lobby for…stuff they don’t like


Anyone who follows this blog would surely know that blaming the Israel lobby for the decisions of US political leaders is a frequent theme at the Guardian and ‘Comment is Free’.  So, it was not at all surprising when ‘Comment is Free’ contributor  published a commentary on Jan. 13 titledInvading Iraq was dumb enough. Now Congress wants to derail the Iran deal‘, which included the following:

This week’s accord with Iran, which was signed by five other powers in addition to the US [P5+1], is the first step in what could become a process that will prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons and allow it to work with the west in confronting serious security threats. Beyond that, it lays the basis for a process that could turn Iran into a normal country that respects basic human rights at home and exports stability instead of instability. There is no chance that America’s longstanding Arab ally, Saudi Arabia, could evolve that way. Yet this deal has evoked passionate opposition in Washington. Why?

It is a safe bet that many of members of Congress, including more than a few of the 59 senators now trying to kill the US-Iran peace process, would struggle to identify Iran on a map. Many, however, cling to the belief that the only true test of any American foreign policy is whether Israeli leaders support it. The Israel lobby in Washington has turned the Iran deal into a life-or-death struggle.  It is no accident that leaders of the war party, like Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois, have received huge amounts of campaign money from that lobby.

First, in addition to the fact that Kinzer grossly mischaracterizes the intent of the bill (which ties sanctions relief to Iranian compliance with their nuclear deal with the P5+1) he’s just plain wrong on the role of the “Israel lobby”.  As Elder of Ziyon noted in a recent post about another false characterization of the pro-Israel lobby’s influence, AIPAC evidently hasn’t put any pressure on lawmakers over the

Politico reports:

Despite growing support in the Senate for Iran sanctions legislation, Democratic leaders have yet to feel insurmountable pressure to bring the measure to the floor.

One major reason: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is mostly keeping quiet.

The powerful pro-Israel lobby has not engaged in a shoe-leather lobbying campaign to woo wayward senators and push Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to schedule a vote on the bill, according to several key senators and aides. While the group supports the bill — authored by Sens. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) — it is not yet putting its political muscle behind a push for an immediate vote.

“I don’t know where AIPAC is. I haven’t talked to anybody,” said Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who opposes any vote for additional sanctions at this time.

As of now, the Menendez-Kirk bill has 59 public supporters, including 43 of 45 Senate Republicans. But dozens of Democrats remain publicly undecided on the bill and seem unlikely to cross the Obama administration and openly back the legislation at this time. And AIPAC isn’t yet twisting Democratic arms.

A number of senators on both sides of the sanctions debate said they’d heard little from AIPAC on the issue, suggesting that wavering lawmakers are feeling little pressure from the group. With its clout on Capitol Hill and ties to deep-pocketed Jewish donors, the group’s muscle could be enough to change the political calculation over how to proceed on the contentious issue.

“I don’t know what they’re doing,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a leading defense hawk and strong supporter of getting a vote on the bill.

…California Sen. Barbara Boxer, a Jewish Democrat, said she’s met with AIPAC “many times” on the issue of Iran. But asked if the group had been pressing her to support the Iran sanctions measure, she replied “not at all.”

“They respect my position, which is that sanctions are totally appropriate if this fails,” she said, referring to the diplomatic talks.

But other senators have not yet heard from the group and indicated they were entirely unaware of AIPAC’s activities on the Hill.

“I really have not talked to AIPAC about it,” said Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, a Jewish liberal and one of the few Senate Democrats publicly backing the Kirk-Menendez legislation.

Further, as a Washington Post foreign policy analyst recently argued in the context of dismissing AIPAC root cause theories:

it [is]  likely that senators are supporting Iran sanctions because doing so is squarely in their political self-interest. Iran is very unpopular in the United States. Republicans are already signaling that they may use the Obama administration’s Iran outreach as a weapon in coming elections. Any lawmaker who votes against new sanctions, even if it is for very sound foreign policy reasons, is taking a big political risk. That’s doubly true if the Iran deal fails. And if the Iran deal succeeds, all the credit will go to the Obama administration, so there’s little political incentive for individual members of Congress to support diplomacy.

Indeed, if Kinzer would see past his characteristic Israel lobby obsession, he’d note recent polling data which shows that “lopsided majorities of Americans from both political parties” are distrustful of Iran’s intentions during the nuclear talks, and “overwhelmingly favor deepening sanctions against the Iranian government, regardless of current negotiations.” That is, the support in Congress for the proposed sanctions bill is thoroughly consistent with US public opinion on the issue.

But, of course, who needs empirical research and critical thinking when you can fall back on lazy, disproven arguments which assign blame to the usual suspects.

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  1. I’m always amused by how little about America is understood by these people. However, I’m not at all amused by the fantasy of Jews pulling the strings of American foreign policy. Something at the Guardian must have died, and judging from the stench, quite a while back.

  2. ” blaming the Israel lobby for the decisions of US political leaders is a frequent theme at the Guardian ”

    Some years ago many of us sat horrified that the US was gunning for war egged by Feith and Wolfy amongst a few others. They made no effort to hide their involvement I dont know why you try to ignore it .

    If you had said ” ( the Guardian blames ) “the Israel lobby for SOME OF the decisions of US political leaders I would agree.They would be right to say this.

    • The Aipac and Titterton, a relation like the Protocols and the average German reader.
      What Feith and Wolfowitz exactly had to do with Aipac at that time remains a secret, except to Titterton. For the average paranoid everything is somehow related, you know, especially concerning when people with Jewish background are implicated.

      • “especially concerning when people with Jewish background are implicated.”

        Jewish back ground is like a red flag.

        The average racist will read a news story about gang violence in the UK and he will assume the person/s involved are probably black.
        The average Conspirecy theorist will hear about a someone in high office involved in corruption with a slight Jewish name and he already cast judgement.

        I wonder where does the average Guardian reader stands on these two points?
        Some one should issue a survey.

      • You are not going to intimidate me you little person. I have nothing to fear from folk knowing who I am . As I said Mossad are unlikely to spend resources on me I condemn any cowardly violence against Israel and I believe you personally would be unlikely to pose any sort of threat …at all.

        • Oh yes he is. You’ve proved it by not ignoring him.

          I thought you were going away. When please so that I can hand out sweets

        • “I have nothing to fear from folk knowing who I am”
          Quite right Berchmans you should not fear folk knowing who you are.
          Your problems start when folk know what you are!

          You are a sick individual who posts on Twitter racist remarks about his Grandson being American.
          You are a sick individual who thinks he is being amusing when in fact his weasel words expose his true nature, for example “I condemn any cowardly violence against Israel” not condemn violence against Israel but cowardly violence, so you can weasel your way back into the favours of “The Guardian”.
          Face it Berchmans you were not kicked off CiF for ‘political differences’ you were kicked off because you are an annoying, racist weasel! Who mistakenly thinks he can use a so-called sense of humour to mask his true disgusting nature.

          To paraphrase Oliver Cromwell;
          “Berchmans you have posted too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

          • Face it Berchmans you were not kicked off CiF for ‘political differences’ you were kicked off because you are an annoying, racist weasel!

            You know something has to be indisputably true for me to agree with ol’ Gezza.

          • It was a joke you half wit.How on earth can it be racist to crack a joke about the Americans ? I crack jokes about the Scots all the time.

            • “It was a joke you half wit”
              Berchmans you racist weasel that is an excuse used by many racists and does not excuse your disgusting remark.

              “How on earth can it be racist to crack a joke about the Americans ?”
              You are digging yourself into a deeper hole, please carry on. It saves myself and others having to bury you and your racism.

              ” I crack jokes..”
              The next one will be the first one.
              As you wrote on this thread in your post of JANUARY 18, 2014 @ 12:06 PM “Im not funny” Correct you are not funny. You are a racist, and a coward, who uses a poor and failed attempt at humour, to hide your stupidity with its underlying disgusting racism.

              Tick, tock time is running out for you Berchmans

        • Twitterton.

          Twit Ton.

          Ton of Twit.

          You’re just so easy, and not because of your underlying paranoia. It’s like, you were born this way, and no wonder this is what you’ve become.

          Bless your heart.

      • The Aipac and Titterton, a relation like the Protocols and the average German reader.

        Meaning what?

            • “Your believe is a shortcoming of intelligence”

              Your transliteration of your original language into English is charming and I truly believe that if we were to talk in this language you would skewer me like Danny Kaye in The Court Jester . I will miss our discussions .

              • Well, for a native speaker you produce a lot of mistakes.
                Anyway, Danny Kaye at his best

                [video src="http://v.theonion.com/avclubmedia/videos/videometa/3661/zen_mp4.mp4" /]

    • “Some years ago many of us sat horrified that the US was gunning for war egged by Feith and Wolfy amongst a few others. ”
      I’m guessing that “a few others” didn’t get their names in print because either they’re not Jewish or you and your “horrified” friends couldn’t name them.

      • Its funny how these feckheads don’t mention the likes of e.g. Rumsfeld. Jewish neocons, however, are automatically assigned to the “Israel Lobby” category.

  3. Why has Barbara Boxer met with AIPAC “many times” on the issue of Iran, though?

    This article seems to be citing the Politco report in support of its anti-Guardian point. But said report does imply that AIPAC usually does put pressure on lawmakers over such issues.

    • “Why has Barbara Boxer met with AIPAC “many times” on the issue of Iran, though?”
      Why shouldn’t she? (Disclosure: I voted for her more than once.) For all we know it could be to explain and encourage support this administration’s policies – far from unheard of. Lobbies (American ones) are also open to influence and some arm twisting. It cuts both ways.

      • Fair enough. As soon as I posted the comment I thought: ah, it wasn’t not meant to sond like that.

        That said: why should she consult AIPAC in the first place?

        • Because Iran policy is an obvious and immediate concern for that lobby as opposed to the NRA, the Cuba lobby, the Automobile lobby, or the this or that lobby.

        • Pretz:
          “That said: why should she consult AIPAC in the first place?”

          Last time I checked Iran attacked a Jewish community centre in Argentina.
          It refuses to hand over the wanted parties to Interpol.
          AIPAC support both Israel and the Jewish American community who might just be Iran’s next target.
          Why shouldn’t she hear their concerns regarding that nation?

  4. “But said report does imply that AIPAC usually does put pressure on lawmakers over such issues.”

    As well as every other lobby apply preassure regarding what it stands for.
    I’d like to hear more about the Saudi lobby (rather than the Israeli Lobby) for example.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-mark-thatcher-affair-arms-deal-triumph-for-batting-for-britain-steve-boggan-examines-the-history-of-the-biggest-weapons-agreement-ever-struck-between-two-countries-1441987.html

    • The Saudi lobby, the Qatar lobby, the Emirates lobby. Now THERE are some deep pockets.
      They pour money not just into Washington but into advertising on News Channels – and who’s then going to broadcast negative news about your sponsor? – and into universities all over the West, ensuring the ubiquitous “Middle Eastern” studies is permanently pro-Arab and anti-Israel.

        • Introducing Sepp Blatter: an absolute disgrace to the world’s most popular sport, and laughing all the way to the bank.

      • Or the Emirates logo and Stadium being visited and worn all over while the emirates abuse human rights as a routine.

        Re the UAE:

        “Across the country, abuses include unsafe work environments, the withholding of travel documents, and low pay or nonpayment of wages, despite a mandatory electronic payment system introduced in 2009.”

        I call “nonpayment of wages” slavery.

        http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/united-arab-emirates?page=2

      • “The Saudi lobby, the Qatar lobby, the Emirates lobby. Now THERE are some deep pockets.”
        Unlike those lobbies AIPAC is an American lobbying group. It’s members are Americans, even the Jews, although Oh-what-a-tangled-WEbb-we-weave and his horrified friends probably have difficulty with that.

        • “AIPAC is an American lobbying group.”

          True humour. You are brilliant .The subject matter, the timing, the wit , the irony. So it is an American group lobbying for.. environmental issues ? Why dont you admit that lobbying exists …your denials make you look risible

          ,” even the Jews, ..probably have difficulty with that ”

          You cringing coward why dont you come out and say it …everyone who thinks even a tiny bit differently from you is an anti semite.Bloody hell you guys need new script writers

          • “So it is an American group lobbying for.. environmental issues ?”
            No Berchmans you racist weasel, there is a clue in the title of the committee.

            Now why do you think it is called the American Israel Public Affairs Committee?

            • ” you racist weasel, ”

              Animalism on CIFWatch Shock.

              I would have thought that the Nazi films depicting people as scurrying animals would be enough to let you know that this is dodgy.

              I worry that when I leave there will be no one that will keep you right on how to discuss the I P situation without accidentally losing your head in a dark place.

              • “I worry that when I leave…”

                Don’t worry Berchmans, just leave.
                Thank you for your offer of advice, but I don’t take advice from racist weasels like you who think it is funny to use Twitter to post racist remarks about their American Grandson.

          • Now tell us, Paul Titterton, what exactly, according to your Elder`s protocol, Feith and Wolfowitz had to do with Aipac?
            Answer this, or admit to be just a plain Antisemite.

            • During Bush II’s administration the Jewish neocons, or those who were thought to be Jewish, received the most vociferous criticism for their supposed role and support of the Iraq War, and the non-Jewish supporters of that war were hardly mentioned. However, there was one in person in particular who received the most vituperative criticism, and that was Wolfowitz. It really came down to the fact that he was considered the most “Jewy Jew,” the one whose name just resonated from the hills, “There he is, that Jew, Jew, Jew.” “He’s the one who masterminded the whole thing.”

              • ” the non-Jewish supporters of that war were hardly mentioned ”

                A feeble and embarrassing statement. The war belongs to Bush Cheyne Halliburton and Blair . But according to Woodward Feith and Wolfy had worked hard for their bosses.

                To suggest that Blair or Cheyne are ” hardly mentioned” shows an alarming lack or understanding or an outright lie.

          • ” Why dont you admit that lobbying exists ”

            Lobbying is not a crime here, it is a right.

            “everyone who thinks even a tiny bit differently from you is an anti semite.”
            Oh, you man of many monikers, you must be joking.

            • “Lobbying is not a crime here, it is a right.”

              I agree entirely . Why shouldnt Jews band together after a Millenium or so of attack by the other religions? But further , to suggest the Jews in America do not influence Government policy especially in regard to the ME when the ratios in the White House , business and media are so helpful is just silly and counter productive.

              It makes you look as if you are not proud of what a small minority can achieve.

              “man of many monikers”

              My name is Paul but I prefer Berchmans .

              • webbsite:

                “Why shouldnt Jews band together after a Millenium or so of attack by the other religions? But further , to suggest the Jews in America do not influence Government policy especially in regard to the ME when the ratios in the White House , business and media are so helpful is just silly and counter productive.”

                You make it seem like we are BORG.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)

                Must be a Jewish thing too or are we more of the Ferengi type for you?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferengi

                Or maybe Leonard Nimoy is the one leading it all…
                Boy you are twisted, sunshine.

                There are just as many Jewish supporting Israeli policies as those opposing it.

                I said it before and I’ll say it again it is not for nothing that we have a saying “2 Jews 3 opinions”.

                By the way, your after a millenium or so of attack is pure crap. Are you suggesting Jesus was a Palestinian Arab or a Jew?
                Try 2300 years ago.
                This not taking into account the supposed Book of Esther (potentially around 480 BCE).

                I loved the Why shoudn’t Jews band together assertion.
                Not like we didn’t support each other until now?
                After all it is our ability to set aside devision in a civil manner for the benefit of the group that set us aside from many other groups in Europe.
                It is this ability to work together that brought us from ashes time and time again.
                We are the Phoenix and you cannot take this.
                Tell me I’m wrong and I’ll leave you be or come to term with your self.

  5. “You make it seem like we are BORG.”

    You should have left it at this. A clever and funny wet kipper in the face for me as you are completely right I know SFA about the Jewish/world interface compared to you.

    You then go on to use a term like ” twisted ” .. admittedly in a new and bold way, but maybe you would have more success in sounding like a ” partner for peace ” if you avoided implying mental illness in posters .. unless warranted obviously .

    ” after a millenium or so of attack is pure . ..Try 2300 years ago ”

    A woeful misunderstanding of my meaning. You are implying that I think the Jews only existed in the region for 1000 years whereas I choose the figure to include both Muslim and Christian violence. If I had said 2000 it would have been emphasising Christian violence and I had no wish to do this…despite the fact that the number of deaths of Jews from one religion,pre 48 full scale wars, would be in the region of 100 times the other.

  6. The Guardian, along with Titterton, is obsessed negatively with ‘Jewish influence’. Except, of course, the influence of Marx and all other radical Jewish anti Zionist leftists. In fact, many of today’s radical Jewish anti Zionist leftists, are employed directly or indirectly, by The Guardian media Group. Or the BBC.

    Strange that. Or perhaps not so strange at all.

  7. The Guardian, along with Titterton, is obsessed negatively with ‘Jewish influence’

    Whereas you are obsessed positively ? You are a cowardly ignorant man , sniping away in the shadows. My entire life I have been devoted extremely positively to the Jewish influence in music , humour, film and stage ..the stories , the laughter.

    I have often cracked this joke but it seems more and more true. I learned so much humour from Jews that I could have been a great Jewish comedian but Im not funny .

  8. My entire life I have been devoted extremely positively to the Jewish influence in music , humour, film and stage ..the stories , the laughter.
    You forgot to mention your extremely positive devotion to joking about murdered Jewish children…

  9. A little unfair as usual . It was poor taste irony not a joke.Out of ten thousand posts getting two wrong in the heat of battle is surely not that great a sin, I will have been called anti semitic maybe 20 times that day .

    It is a good weapon …it infuriates as it is designed to do.

    • It is a good weapon …it infuriates as it is designed to do.
      Infuriates? You are confusing here totally different emotions berchmans. Your irony didn’t infuriated anybody but disgusted everyone (apart from your Nazi-sympathizer Guardinista comrades). Cockroaches like you don’t make anybody angry only remind them to add roach powder to next week’s shopping list. Good weapon… yes berchmans very good for an educated mild mannered socialist child care worker – writer.

      • ” Cockroaches like you ”

        The clever Rapunzal , who was a powerful Zionist voice on CIF ,once told me off for using animalism on CIF .She said the Nazi propaganda films should make modern people highly aware of the importance of avoiding such low and ghastly language.

        Zionists that can argue without using foul and degrading language can help to win over the undecided.

        • “..foul and degrading..”
          The only thing ‘foul and degrading’ on this site is you Berchmans.

          Foul and degrading are polite expressions for your action in posting a racist Tweet on Twitter aimed at your own Grandson!
          Foul and degrading are your pathetic attempts to ‘weasel’ out of it by claiming it was a joke.
          Foul and degrading you are and always will be Berchmans.

        • This is your absolute lack of understanding significant differences berchmans. The Nazis and your gentle mild mannered comrades on CIF (was it the gentle Hermine?) compared groups of people to animals not individuals (Jews, Zionists etc.) But you are correct saying that cockroaches behave according to their instincts and don’t consider themselves “mild mannered socialist writers” don’t have an education in Psychology and are simply disgusting creatures living on dirt. I don’t think that any of them worked as child care workers. So I apologize… Sorry cockroaches for comparing you to berchmans.
          BTW Why did you stop write your invaluable contributions for Opednews? Could be that they read about your extremely witty irony using Anne Frank as a subject? Maybe someone should write them and ask…

    • “. Too near to the truth.”

      I went to CIF in 06 I remember it well . After my first post I got called an anti semite .I was so naive I thought they had mistaken me for someone else !

      • “After my first post I got called an anti semite”
        So it was obvious even then what a racist weasel you are

        “I was so naïve”
        No, you thought that everyone else was naïve and couldn’t see your true disgusting self.

        “I thought they had mistaken me for someone else”
        No, Berchmans they could see exactly who and what you are.

        Fly, fly little Tit.

        • “My little \Tit ?”

          Jewish people have received more nobels for literature than some continents. If my theory that they are just the same as everyone then some must really bring the average intellect down . I think we have found one example.

          • “My little \Tit ?”
            Berchmans in your usual, failed, attempt to divert attention you misquote my post.

            It is clearly written “Fly, fly little Tit.”
            Obviously your eyesight is as poor as your intellect. But, why would I expect a racist weasel like you Berchmans, who posts disgusting and racist messages on Twitter, to have any intellect

            • ” posts disgusting and racist messages on Twitter ”

              Calm yourself. For millennia the richest most powerful people have had their legs pulled . Now it is the Americans .Charlie Chaplin did not kick poor people in the trousers did he ?

              I repeat .How on earth does having a joke about the US people constitute racism ? I await your answer with a big smile because you know you have misspoken and are having to brave it out.

              Just admit the truth ..you meant “Nationalist” not “racist” but cannot admit to having been outwitted by a Nationalist weasel! 🙂

              • Outwitted?
                You couldn’t outwit an mentally underdeveloped amoeba berchmans.
                The only “joke cracking” you are good is joking about murdered Jewish children.

                • Ah it is Peter , the ” Anti Semite Finder General ” himself. I am sorry I only have 3 weeks left but I really have no choice as I have made a commitment to my employer and he will know if I am wasting time giggling at your hilarious accusations.

                  3 weeks what kind of advice to give ? I could start by telling you about the impact of being called an anti semite when your entire life you have loved Jews , learned from them, sung with them and wept at their history.

                  However a degree of empathy is needed so instead I will just be lovely and wish you well.

                • You really loved Jews berchmans. You mean dead murdered Jews like Anne Frank? And who is your employer? Do you really say that tghere is any employer who is ready to pay you? It must be either PressTV or the Hamas website. Could be thea “travel agency” organizing “special” trips to Thailand?. Those would be the perfect matches to your intellect and moral standards.
                  …what kind of advice to give
                  Do you really think that anybody need any advice from Jew-hating racist ignorant f*ckwits like yourself?! You are more deluded what I thought before…

                • I notice you avoided my question… I will rephrase . Why is a joke about an American racist? Did you mean ” nationalist ” but cannot bring yourself to admit you have been wrong?

                  I am not any cleverer than you despite it looking as if I am .The reason you keep getting wrong footed is you have got to study discrimination.Being full of hate for imaginary enemies is not enough to keep you out of trouble when challenged.It works amongst your friends but in the larger world shouting ” racist ” when you mean “Nationalist” makes you look as if you dont know what you are talking about.

                  I hope this helps.

                • “Did you mean ” nationalist ”..”
                  No Berchmans I did not mean a ‘nationalist’.
                  Whether you are a ‘nationalist’ or not I don’t know, but then you claim to be so many things.
                  Are you really claiming to be a ‘nationalist’ and a ‘socialist’ Berchmans? Your description not mine.

                  “Why is a joke about an American racist?”
                  It was not a joke, but another pathetic remark from you that when you are challenged you claim it was a joke and that you use humour.

                  “..you have got to study discrimination”
                  Berchmans whether you have studied it or not, does not matter. You are still a Racist weasel who makes pathetic and disgusting remarks.

                • The racist weasel who never ever answer to any question cries about anybody else avoiding questions. Precious really…