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Springtime for Rouhani: Jack Straw complains that pro-Israel cash stymies US-Iran peace


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In an op-ed on Friday at The Independent, former British foreign secretary Jack Straw revisited a narrative he advanced late last year regarding the alleged injurious impact of funds from Jewish and pro-Israeli groups in the U.S.

During a Parliamentary debate on diplomacy in the Mid-East in late October, Straw reportedly complained that the greatest obstacle to peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors is the “unlimited” funds available to Jewish groups and AIPAC which are used to control American policy – comments which Israeli Ambassador Daniel Taub complained represented familiar tropes about “sinister Jewish power”.

Straw’s Jan. 17 Indy op-ed (In Hasan Rouhani’s Iran, you can feel the winds of change‘), addresses the broader issue of U.S. – Iran relations, and is giddy with excitement over the peace and harmony that could be achieved if we place our trust in the beneficence of Iran’s putatively moderate president, Hassan Rouhani.  

You can sense the thrill going up his leg as he waxes eloquently on the “courageous” Rouhani who has evidently imbued Tehran with the progressive spirit more akin to “Madrid or Athens” than “Mumbai or Cairo” – all of which would be news to the country’s oppressed Bahai, imprisoned democracy activists and opposition leaders, and families of the 33 Iranians executed in the last week alone. 

The antagonist in Straw’s Iranian Spring tale is clear by the third paragraph, where he recalls his encounters with leaders of the Islamic Republic in 2001:

My first visit to Iran was in late September 2001, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. The moderate Iranian President, Mohammad Khatami, had courageously reached out to the United States with moral, and much practical, support in the struggle to counter al-Qa’ida.

Then, I went straight from Tehran to Israel. The Israelis concocted a diplomatic row over my using the noun “Palestine” rather than the adjective “Palestinian” in an article for the Iranian press. A banquet for me was cancelled and my meeting with the then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was delayed until the small hours. Behind this grammatical nonsense there was a much bigger issue – as there still is – about whether Israel wanted an end to the isolation of Iran, or whether it suited them for  Iran to be damned as a “pariah state” for all time.

Since Israeli and American politics are so intertwined, this was a major question for the US government, too. There are more American PhDs in Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s Cabinet than there are in US President Barack Obama’s Cabinet. Yet the US quickly squandered all the potential of Mr Khatami’s bid for rapprochement with the West, with the ill-judged inclusion of Iran in President George W Bush’s “axis of evil”. Indeed, US policy  so undermined the Khatami administration that the reformists lost ground, to be replaced by the populist hard-liner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Pivoting to the Rouhani era and the nuclear deal negotiated between Iran and the P5+1, Straw writes:

President Rouhani’s election last summer was as overwhelming as it was surprising. “He only had 5 per cent in the polls when we started”, one proud supporter told us. The consequences of Mr Rouhani’s victory cannot be overstated. There’s a lightness in the air…

Sustained economic recovery depends in part on internal reform, but also on an end to the nuclear-related sanctions…Sanctions can have eccentric effects. Five hundred Porsches were imported last year, it is claimed. Coca-Cola is freely available; but banking sanctions mean that cancer patients cannot access life-saving imported drugs, even though formally these have been exempt from control.

November’s interim deal agreed in Geneva between Iran and the “P5 + 1” (the five Permanent Members of the Security Council, plus Germany) will come into force on Monday. There’s an obvious prize for Iran in ending all sanctions. There is for the UK too. Above and beyond big trade opportunities, a normalisation of relations will have profound benefits, not least in those troubled countries – Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine – where Iran has such influence.

Finally, Straw cites the greatest obstacle to the normalisation of relations and peace in the region:

Whether a comprehensive deal on Iran can be reached will crucially depend on how far Mr Obama is able to resist the intense lobbying (and financial support) Mr Netanyahu is able to muster in the US Congress.

Beyond Straw’s repugnant suggestion that pro-Israel elements in the US Congress take their marching orders from Jerusalem, and his failure to acknowledge that pro-Israel (and anti-Iran) sentiment is embraced by the overwhelming majority of Americans, it’s important to recall that his recent charges leveled at Jewish groups and Israel seem to reflect a broader narrative of Zionist root causes.  

A few weeks after 9/11, Straw led a Western delegation to Tehran, and delivered the following message in the context of the deadly attacks by al-Qaeda which killed nearly 3,000 Americans: “I understand that one of the factors which helps breed terrorism is the anger which many people in this region feel at events over the years in Palestine.”

Of course, one of the factors which undeniably leads to violence and instability in the Middle East is Iran’s role, according to the U.S. State Department, as the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

However, when you wake up in the morning genuinely convinced that Israel and the state’s Jewish supporters represent the biggest obstacle to peace in the Middle East, then even a reactionary, Islamist regime which exports terror abroad, while repressing religious minorities, women, gays and political dissidents at home, can evoke your ‘liberal’ sympathy.

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  1. Just so everyone knows, the British policy of Divide and Conquer — seen in the land split between Pakistan and India, for example, that has left Kashmir a bloody mess over the past almost 7 decades — has nothing to do with the lack of peace found in the Middle East. Because that’s what Jack Asshole says. So the next time you sit down for a lesson on World History, remember that the Monarchy — which still controls oil exploration in the US, for example, to the point that they nearly destroyed the Gulf region of the US Southeast in the reckless search for exploiting resources — just eat some tea and crumpets and speak civilly of the latest baby given power by the God to come in 3 seats shy of the throne.

    Yeah, the Brits and their monarchy are SO MUCH MORE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE JEWS THAN JEWS SHOULD EVER BE TO JUDGE THEM.

    • You are trying to combine an attack on Straw with one on the Royalty .Next you will be saying ” We wont take advice from Jack the Ripper .And what about the Sheriff of Nottingham? ”

      However I am pleased you see the ME in terms of western conquest which is why the Yanks need a strong Israel who can protect their oil.

        • Sorry-I intended to include this quote in my previous comment…

          “…..the Yanks need a strong Israel who can protect their oil.”

        • But you see Mickey, Webbsite is one of those who believe the US oil giants and their share holders are fiddling with the oil prices so that they always gain.

          They’re in such control over world events and their outcome so one could say they even polluted the gulf of Mexico intentioally…

          This is from the Iranians which some people like Webbsite just wouldnot criticise no matter what. Now why is that? He’d never answer.

          Let’s analyze:

          http://beforeitsnews.com/gulf-oil-spill/2010/07/gulf-oil-spill-intentional-90471.html

          “”Oddly, just eight days before the Gulf blow-out, Halliburton also announced that it had agreed to buy Boots & Coots for $240.4 million. Who are Boots & Coots?
          Boots & Coots are the world’s largest oil-spill clean-up company, which also deals with oil and gas well fires and blowouts.
          Goldman Sachs sold 44 per cent of its holdings in BP, a total of 4,680,822 shares worth the best part of $300 million, in the weeks before the Gulf disaster that sent BP shares plummeting.
          BP chief executive Tony Hayward is reported to have sold his £1.4 million shares in BP a month before the explosion. The profit allowed him to pay off the mortgage on his mansion.””

          Let’s start from the top.
          The word “Oddly”.
          Yes, it is odd that an oil giant buys an oil spill clean up company. You have to laugh.

          Now are we have Goldman Sachs… Those Evil Jews again…

          Than we have tony Hayward selling his shares a month prior to the spill.
          Never before did chief executive sold their shares.
          Never. They always waited and waited and waited…

          Had to be sarcastic but I still wonder why doesn’t Webbsite criticise IRAN?

      • Webbsite:

        “However I am pleased you see the ME in terms of western conquest which is why the Yanks need a strong Israel who can protect their oil.”

        And which oil is that?
        Please explain which oil wells Israel has and put it in real terms equivelance the ones in Saudi Arabia or the Gas in Libya for example?

        The largest Gas drilling found by Israel is off shore in the northern water and was found in the past few years.
        This is why Israel imports the gas from Egypt.
        I hardly see how Israel can protect US ventures in Iraq, the Gulf or Iran let alone the Caspian sea.
        But maybe you can help me?
        Start by identifying the second gunman in the grassy knoll and who has the keys to area 51 followed by lunch with Alex Jones.

        • It’s difficult for Berchmans/Paul Titterton, to contemplate the difficult fact that US support of Israel is based squarely on shared values of humanity and justice. Something that he has lost completely as have all the radical delusional extreme left..

      • I get what you’re saying, Webshit: NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE. But, hey, we can’t change the stripes of a tiger. Or the smell from public sewage, which is more up your alley.

        Let me break this down for you. As poorly written as it may be….

        1. Jack Straw, with a straight face, blames Israel for the Middle East strife. When, of course, it was the Brits and their Monarchy which created nation states of the Middle East as a result of both World Wars. (P.S. Jack Straw is a BRIT.)

        2 British Petroleum is run by the Monarchy. BP was THE CAUSE of a major oil spill destroying the US ecosystem seen in the Gulf of Mexico. ERGO, the Monarchy of England has our lives in their pesky little hands, and yet Jack Strawman decides that the Brits are nearly powerless against the all powerful Jew Lobby. (P.S. All Americans, including Jews, suffer for BP’s bullshit.)

        3. Yes, I overextended in terms of you understanding my comment. But, you see, I don’t write for you. I write for me. (Uh-oh!!! Jooish supremacy!!!)

        When do you leave?

  2. “Straw reportedly complained that the greatest obstacle to peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors is the “unlimited” funds available”

    The word ” unlimited ” is correctly in quotation marks but the quote is from Ms Wilf and that should have been made clear.

    The word is critical because everybody and their grannies know an obstacle is the backing Israel gets rendering it unnecessary to negotiate … but the word ” unlimited ” would suggest fabulous wealth and is hyperbolic .

    However if you want dirt on Straw he helped to send Brit troops to attack Iraq with no reason whatsoever. To imply he is an anti semite with second hand evidence compared calling him the war criminal that he is seems to be missing an opportunity.

    • “Everybody knows,” “it’s plain to see”
      The useful catch phrases of bigotry.

      Since you claim that the PA’s position is supported by “95% of the world,” why would the PA need to negotiate or compromise on any of its hardline positions? With all the financial and diplomatic support they get why wouldn’t they just cling to a hard-line position, which they have, and as Mahmoud Abbas has endlessly bragged?

      The Arab League just snapped its fingers and got UNESCO to drop an exhibit about the 3,500 year connection of the Jews to the Holy Land, on the premise that it wouldn’t be good for the “peace” process, and yet the UN will go on to celebrate 2014 as the year of the Palestinian People. Who has the power? Who is unwilling to negotiate? Who is unwilling to compromise?
      Strawman Jack, former official of the British entity, doesn’t know his brass from his elbow. And neither do you.

    • Webbsite:

      “…because everybody and their grannies know an obstacle is the backing Israel gets rendering it unnecessary to negotiate…”.

      Yes, it is an obstacle, depending what it is your trying to achieve.
      But is it the main obstacle?
      The 2nd main, the 3rd, the 10th, the 125th?

      How many obstacles are there, and what is it that you attempt to achieve?
      Peace can also be equiviliant to silent.
      Dead people don’t make noise.
      Are you trying to eliminate one side over the other or perhaps return them to their former dhimmi state?

  3. Unnecessary to negotiate? Very funny. Have you ever heard of the numerous peace offers to the Arabs? The three NO-s of Khartoum? The Oslo accord? The Camp David and Taba negotiations? Olmert’s offer to Abbas?
    Everybody and their grannies know?
    You just demonstrated (again) your ignorance and malevolence. Maybe your granny and you together with the Jew hating comrades in arms believe your shit but informed people know that ascribing the failure of these negotiations to the backing of the US forced by the Jewish money has a name – it is called antisemitism.
    BTW I understand that you are very busy cracking Holocaust related jokes but you should read a newspaper about the lack of US backing of Israel at the present negotiations. But why should facts disturb your and granny’s Jew-hating?

    • ” why should facts disturb your and granny’s Jew-hating? ”

      My granny lost 2 sons fighting the Nazis . It is amazing that you can turn on the Brits who did as much as anyone at least at the start to fight Hitler…AND A LOT MORE THAN SOME COUNTRY’S CITIZENS if you catch my drift.

      • “My granny lost 2 sons fighting the Nazis ”

        Really Berchmans that was very careless of her.
        Where did she lose them, inside or outside the local pub?

        • Hilarious. A true gem . Heres to the Brits who were on their own in 1940 whilst the rest of the world had important meetings to attend to elsewhere.

          • Correct. Their attempt in Munich to throw Europe to the Nazis failed and were forced to protect their colonies alone.
            And what about the lack of Israel’s intent to negotiate? Suddenly you are silent on the subject like dogshit in the grass using your granny as cover. So I repeat:
            “Have you ever heard of the numerous peace offers to the Arabs? The three NO-s of Khartoum? The Oslo accord? The Camp David and Taba negotiations? Olmert’s offer to Abbas?”
            Have you ever heard the fact that US forcing Israel to release your murderous pals? Is this pressure financed by AIPAC? Berchmans you give the words “moron” and “racist” a brand new horizon…

          • “..the Brits who were on their own in 1940..”
            On their own apart from the following countries who had also declared war on Germany prior to June 1940
            Poland
            France
            India
            Australia
            New Zealand
            Union of South Africa
            Canada
            The Netherlands
            And there are other countries who were at war but never formally declared it.

            Berchmans keep it up, don’t let facts get in the way of the garbage you post.

            • Yes those Dorniers really wreaked havoc in Winnipeg and Adelaide in Mumbai and in Pretoria . We could have given in.Others did.

              Then there were those who finally had war declared on them

              • “Yes those Dorniers really wreaked havoc in Winnipeg and Adelaide in Mumbai and in Pretoria”

                Even by your standards that remark is beneath contempt.
                Oh yes, I know it was a ‘joke’, you were using your ‘humour’ as a weapon.

                What a disgusting excuse for a human being you truly are.

        • Gerald,

          For the sake of this being the truth it would appear the right thing to do is not to mock the dead allied soldiers.

          Saying that, Berchman should not mock the resistence efforts made by other occupied countries who lost far more than 2 people in their house hold.
          The outcome of the war maaight have been a lot different without the support of resistence groups inside the occupied countries.

      • My granny lost 2 sons fighting the Nazis . It is amazing that you can turn on the Brits who did as much as anyone at least at the start to fight Hitler…
        Then you shouldn’t have invoke her in your disgusting antisemitic crap. Poor granny…
        AND A LOT MORE THAN SOME COUNTRY’S CITIZENS if you catch my drift.
        I have a feeling that apart from you nobody will catch your drift asshole. If you think about Hungary then almost all of my family members have been eradicated by the Germans and the Hungarian Horthy Miklos a big protegee of the British Empire. Some of my family members tried to escape to England others to Palestine. Their entries have been denied by granny’s government, so be so kind and return to your usual Holocaust jokes…

        • Yes if it hadnt been for my people slowing them down till the Russians could defeat them they would have destroyed even more lives. Thank goodness somebody was able to stand up to them.

          • Your people slowed down successfully the Jews trying to escape and started to fight only when their world hegemony has been challenged by the Germans. But again don’t let historical facts influence your “socialist” worldview.

            • I know the British Empire was not fighting to specifically save the remainder of the Jews. But that was the result.Im sorry it is annoys you that the people of Britain helped to preserve your people.

              Now if a Brit mildly criticise the antics of the IDF they are transformed into something worse than the Nazis .However I forgive you your ignorance no doubt a Hungarian education followed by Zionist gymnastics with history has taken its toll.

              • I don’t think anyone here believes Britain fighting against Hitler was a bad thing. It’s Britain’s policy decisions regarding the Jews, Zionism and its internationally binding obligations under the mandate and its historical and current lopsided favoritism toward Arab interests that are at issue here.
                I’ll put it into language that you and your friends find hip. You are misrepresenting the mere criticism of British policies as some sort of hate, demonization and delegitimization of Britain and its people in order to silence critics and shut down debate.

                • ” criticism of British policies ( not )some sort of hate, demonization and delegitimization of Britain and its people in order to silence critics and shut down debate.”

                  This is very good, irony on CIF Watch.

                  lopsided favoritism toward Arab interests

                  To suggest Britain favoured the enemies of people who started the century on a strip of land with less than a hundred thousand and ended up with millions . What kind of favour is that ?

              • Really? The Brits helped preserve my people… A very interesting form of help.
                In the spring of 1939 George VI instructed his private secretary to write to Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax. Having learnt that ‘a number of Jewish refugees from different countries were surreptitiously getting into Palestine’, the King was ‘glad to think that steps are being taken to prevent these people leaving their country of origin.’ Halifax’s office telegraphed Britain’s ambassador in Berlin asking him to encourage the German government ‘to check the unauthorised emigration’ of Jews.”
                Now go and stuff your help well up into your arse together with your tears about granny.
                Let’s speak about Hungarian education… I was invited to teach British (and other) professionals many times in my profession what I learned in Hungary. The Brits’ professional and general knowledge was so low that they became the lowest standard attribute among the teaching staff.

              • However I forgive you your ignorance no doubt a Hungarian education…
                Thank you berchmans proving again your laughable ignorant and condescending racism. Were you only a bit less of an under-educated supremacist hick from the UK you would know that relatively to the population there are much more Hungarian educated world famous and internationally recognized scholars than British. Maybe you would know that in certain professions (e.g. mathematics, physics, engineering, medicine, middle-eastern studies) there is a line in the UK waiting to be accepted to a Hungarian university. And you know why? Because in these areas the list of groundbreaking discoveries and inventions contains disproportionately high number of Hungarian educated people – much more than their UK counterpart. According to present surveys even the level of primary school science education is higher in Hungary than in the UK.
                According to an OECD report
                -…England was the only wealthy country where school-leavers are worse at maths and reading than their grandparents.
                – The knowledge and skills of British adults is ranked 30th out of 142 countries
                – Hungarry is ranked the 8th – 22 places higher than the UK
                I suggest you to try acquire the minimal knowledge about anything you post in order to avoid being shown as the most idiotic and racist Scot of all times (I know this is a mission impossible so don’t worry).
                …followed by Zionist gymnastics with history has taken its toll.
                How would you know this a turbo version of an ignorant moron like yourself? Do you have a degree in history? Do you know any language connected to “Zionist gymnastics” (like Hebrew or Arabic for starters)? Do you know the history of your own people at all? I have no doubts that equipped with my Hungarian education I could beat you anytime in a contest whose subject would be the history, literature and culture of the GB and Europe.
                You know berchmans sometimes your laughable attempts to show yourself as a human make my day brighter seeing who are Israel’s enemies… their level of knowledge, intellect and moral. You should limit yourself to “cracking jokes” and write sexually loaded “ironic posts” about children murdered by your Nazi fellow-travelers – this is the only area where your expertise really outstanding.

              • I know the British Empire was not fighting to specifically save the remainder of the Jews. But that was the result. Im sorry
                I know berchmans that you are sorry abou this result.

              • Webbsite:

                “followed by Zionist gymnastics with history has taken its toll.”

                Care to explain please?

      • “AND A LOT MORE THAN SOME COUNTRY’S CITIZENS if you catch my drift.”

        We’ve all caught your drift, if you catch my drift, but what is it you are trying to say? Be explicit.

        • ” what is it you are trying to say? Be explicit.”

          The headline in the article is “Springtime for Rouhani ” Do you think this is a reference to HItler ? The attempt to portray the Jews as facing another Holocaust when it is really all about the settlements is the most outrageous exploitation of the victims and what fuels the hatred of moderates here who simply agree with the entire world apart from Israel and the Marshall Islands.

          When Israel shrinks a hundred square miles or so she will get the support that she deserves. She may have to build out into the Med but for a country that receives 3 b a year for being Israel and is unbelievably inventive this will be an easy task.

          • When Israel shrinks to a hundred square miles? Do you mean a ten miles times ten miles area for seven million people? Thank you berchmans for your invaluable contribution for the Zionist cause showing your real intentions.
            I would suggest to you for voting an independent Scotland with an area of ten square miles or so. With your huge beaches and oil revenues you can build into the Atlantic not a problem at all.

            • “When Israel shrinks to a hundred square miles?”

              By a hundred square miles . I dont know exactly what the area of the settlements is but it wont be huge.

              Look we can survive in gale force winds and record breaking rain you will. .It has been the windiest month in history but we survive . If we can live alongside people from Fife you build a few platforms for folk to live in on the Med in peace. Christ you can build hundreds of bombs how much easier would it be to build houses in safe areas?

              • Webby, you know what you remind me of, with this lovely solution of building “platforms for folk to live in on the Med”? Those people who have proposed that the Jews should exercise their right to self-determination in Uganda, Argentina, Japan, Madagascar, USSR, British Guiana…

                You just don’t get it, do you? Or you choose not to.

              • When Israel will shrink to 20 mile between the sea and the hills of Samaria you mean.where your friends won;t even have to use rockets to hit Israeli. If Israel had the borders of pre 67 in 73 I am not sure I would be here writting.

          • “The headline in the article is “Springtime for Rouhani ” Do you think this is a reference to HItler ?”
            Not exactly. I think it’s a reference to the Mel Brooks film, and later Broadway Musical, “The Producers.” And it works!

            “The attempt to portray the Jews as facing another Holocaust when it is really all about the settlements is the most outrageous exploitation of the victims and what fuels the hatred of moderates here who simply agree with the entire world apart from Israel and the Marshall Islands.”

            This “join the bandwagon” type of advertising is not convincing, and whilst settlements are an issue they are not THE issue. If the Arabs could obliterate Israel militarily they would. They say so often enough. Should we not believe them?Israelis feel that the PA is not trustworthy. Do you think that they are stupid? Do you really believe that you and “the entire world” know something they don’t? And what of Hamas? How about the ginned-up hatred for Jews and Israel all over the Arab and Muslim world? Where have you been?

      • “My granny lost 2 sons fighting the Nazis…AND A LOT MORE THAN SOME COUNTRY’S CITIZENS if you catch my drift. ”

        You mean Jack Straw, the man you defend?
        I believe his father chose not to fight because like some people (you included) he was a conscientious objectors.
        Funny how the son of such a “noble man” turn out to send people to war and refuses assylum seekers from the butcher of Baghdad:

        “in 2000, Straw turned down an asylum request from a man fleeing Saddam Hussein’s regime, stating “we have faith in the integrity of the Iraqi judicial process and that you should have no concerns if you haven’t done anything wrong.”.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Straw

        It seems he had a change of heart about Saddam’s regime.
        Strange that you Webbsite “Peacenik” Berchman, of all people, will defend such a person when it comes to his comments about Jewish “power” and money and their, and only their, attitude as obstacles to peace.
        Maybe it was because he objected to the freedom of speech , although in bad taste, displayed by a Danish paper in the Mohammed cartoons.
        Maybe that’s why you liked him?
        Or maybe because he assured Nick Griffin he will not be prosecuted on question time?

        Just like with your refusal to condem Iran’s regime we shall never know the truth.

        • For the record I also thought the cartoons were in poor taste but expected a lot more balanced reminding the world about Anti Semitic cartoons published daily in the ME.

      • UK actions in World War II were predicated only on UK interests. I accept this but you are suggesting that Churchill had Jewish interests at heart when he was taking decisions as to what was happening in Europe.

        He didn’t. In fact they was a very famous reply to a request from Jews for the allies to bomb the concentration camps where the reply was, It is not our priority.

        I accept that. That was a wartime decision. Jews, living or not, suffering or not, didn’t have precedence over destroying the NAZI war machine.

        Don’t try to make out that UK decisions during wartime were designed to help/save Jews.

        They weren’t.

  4. Another pathetically ignorant (or bigorted, or both) English asshiole. Easy to examine Rouhani’s real background, statements, and actions since taking power to realize he’s no “moderate”.

    Can’t believe a guy with that much foreign policy experience really thinks the ciurrent Iranian leadership really desires peace. ALL comments about Israel on the other hand, are negative,
    His comments are so distorted that they must stem from deep-seated antiSemitism. Isn’t there some good way pf publicly calling out a bigoted jerk like him for these malicious comments?
    No other ethnic group would tolerate this kind of slurs.

    • Straw belongs to the radical extreme delusional left wing of the Labour Party. And, if I am not mistaken, is of Jewish heritage. ‘These people’ feel that they need to distance themselves from Zionism and often make asses of themselves more than they really are while doing it.

  5. “There are more American PhDs in Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s Cabinet than there are in US President Barack Obama’s Cabinet. Yet the US quickly squandered all the potential of Mr Khatami’s bid for rapprochement with the West,…”
    I’m just wondering what in the world the number of PhDs in Rouhani’s cabinet has to do with Khatami? I hear JFK had more PhDs in his cabinet than Mary Queen of Scots had in hers, so why was Khatami’s offer of rapprochement so difficult for Thomas Jefferson?

  6. It was on Straw’s watch that the Iranians kidnapped six royal Marines and two Royal Navy personnel. He’s a spineless piece of jelly when it comes to Iran.

  7. It is not only Jazk Straw and most of the world but also, Justice Minister of Israel acknowledge that Israel is the biggest threat to peace – Livni makes it very clear that Israel is tightening the noose round its own neck by refusing the negotiate peace with Palestinians –

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/livni-we-face-south-africa-style-isolation-because-of-settlements/

    Livni added in the TV interview that she respected but disagreed with those who champion the Greater Land of Israel ideology and are committed to expanding West Bank settlements. “Don’t impose this isolation upon us,” she pleaded, adding that each announcement of new settlement plans, and every new building in an isolated settlement, “is another brick in the wall of isolation that is being built around us.”

    Livni: We face South Africa-style isolation because of settlements | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/livni-we-face-south-africa-style-isolation-because-of-settlements/#ixzz2qseUbpIk
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    • The link was amazing. I am trying to imagine Livni coming to this site and being chased as a self hating appeaser. I had no idea that cracks are appearing so publicly. Wonderful news. I wonder if she is dating anyone ?

      • Wonderful news. I wonder if she is dating anyone ?
        You should concentrate to Anne Frank berchmans. Living females wouldn’t you allow you close to them, but knowing the history of Livni probably she would smash you like a cockroach under her sink after knowing about your jokes and irony.

        • “knowing the history of Livni probably she would smash you like a cockroach under her sink”

          That reminds me of a Dundee girl I used to date .

          Again though I have to say you have dipped into animalism and if you want to take on the Guardian ( plus now the vast majority of papers including Israeli papers ) you have rise above the instinct to see others as vermin. This does not endear you to those who could be persuaded to listen to the cause of Zionism but are put off by extremist raging.

          Several folk here have said your society is becoming isolated and eccentric and your posts are examples of why this is said.

          • “..you have rise above the instinct to see others as vermin.”
            No Berchmans in your case it is not instinct, it is the logical conclusion of reading your posts.
            You can go on about ‘animalism’ and how you know about ‘discrimination’ as much as you like, but, it does not change the obvious conclusion that you are a Racist weasel. When you are challenged about your remarks you will either ignore the question, in the hope that no one will notice that there are two things you lack honesty and backbone, or attempt to use your worn out defence that it was a ‘joke’ and you were using humour as a weapon.

            Perhaps I am wrong to refer to you as a weasel, to link you with them is certainly insulting to weasels, but it is shorter than writing a more appropriate description that is just as true that you are a spineless, lying, little creep.

            You take care now, you spineless, lying, little creep.

            • “you are a Racist weasel”

              If you simply give the quote I will donate £ 100 to the IDF . Unless you mean my joke about the Americans in which case this is not racist . I am a Nationalist weasel if anything and quite frankly I would rather be an okapi if its all the same.

              You cannot run away from the fact that you have no idea of the difference between ” race ” and ” nation” . How on earth do you think you can lay a glove on the Guardian ?

              • “You cannot run away from the fact that you have no idea of the difference between ” race ” and ” nation” ”

                Berchmans you really are either ill-informed, a clown, or are aware of the correct legal definition of a ‘Racial group’ in which case a liar. Of course with you Berchmans you are probably both, a lying clown.
                I rely on the definition used by the Crown Prosecution Service, which even you should be able to understand. In case you really are that ill-informed you will find it in “Racist and Religious Crime – CPS Prosecution Policy”

                Now go away and come back when you know what you are writing about, which for you Berchmans will be a novelty on this site.

              • Oh, not that old chestnut Berchmans. You promised to write a poem in praise of the IDF but lied about that too. Can’t trust you as far as we can throw you, can we?

          • That reminds me of a Dundee girl I used to date
            poor lass she probably died of suffocating… you know your stench berchmans
            if you want to take on the Guardian …
            Why would I want anything from a far leftist antisemitic rag? They can flower freely in the good old cemetery of six-million Jews called Europe servicing your kind of pond-dwellers perfectly but obviously even this won’t save them from going down financially.
            …plus now the vast majority of papers including Israeli papers
            Like your other Bible the Veterans Today? maybe the Irish Times an other pride of the Gaelic speaking people? Which are these vast majority berchmans? And israeli papers? You probably think about the Ha’aretz who lost about two thirds of their readers due to their laughable debunked lies and called by israelis the only Hebrew language Palestinian newspaper?
            But first of all why should I give shit what newspapers write? Are they elected bodies representing anybody (apart from their own financial interests and the politics of their owners)?
            And not to forget… I apologize again from any members of the animal kingdom to compare you to them – I never heard of any of them making jokes about gassed Jewish children.

            • Almost forgot berchmans… Reading your opuses reminds me an other Scottish thing – the midges. They are everywhere and everybody suffer from them, true they don’t post on the web and don’t consider themselves nationalists and socialists as you do? Where did i hear this combination of politics lately?

            • “Why would I want anything from a far leftist antisemitic rag? ”

              The Guardian is a thoroughly bourgeois, war-supporting rag for middle class worriers . The problem you have is not that is supports war which is perpetrated by the Brits across the ME but not yours against the Palestinians.

              You are attempting to place yourself in the centre of politics as reasonable and calm but to misquote Joey from friends ” you cant even see the centre you are so far away.”

              • You are attempting to place yourself in the centre of politics..
                Total lack of understanding simple situation berchmans. I’m not interested in politics at all but in the elimination of your kind of shit from the public life. Thankfully in you case this is a very interesting task – you are digging your grave deeper with every new posts of yours.
                The Guardian is a thoroughly bourgeois, war-supporting rag for middle class worriers
                Interesting… Remind the readers please who said that the Guardian’s opinion page stops every arguments and that “This must be so – it is written in the Guardian”?

      • Webbsite:

        “I had no idea that cracks are appearing so publicly.”

        Are you that ignorant?
        I suggest you study a lot more about Israelis before posting.
        You really ought to go there and speak to people.

        • …You really ought to go there and speak to people.
          No he shouldn’t come here Itsik – in the airport area the air is very polluted without his stench already. But if you intend to come berchmans don’t hesitate to notify the public here – I’ll personally see to organize a welcoming committee – a crowd of people whose family members have been murdered in the camps and telling them about your joke cracking…Could be interesting…

          • ” without his stench ”

            Now you are having a go at people who smell . Have you no range of putrid remarks that you would not use?

            My use of irony 7 years ago that you are going on like a dog with a bone was a rare lapse because I forgot that Yanks dont get irony and it was the highest praise for her I could think of. But you dont get it because you cannot remove your ziospecs for one second.

            I repeat that is two posts in total you have issues with, out of ten thousand odd. Do you think you are being fair?

            • You said in a CIF thread apologizing for the Iranian Holocaust-denial conference that you yourself would be happy to “give a blast” to Anne Frank.
              In your book it was a simple use of irony and a lapse – you forgot that “Yanks” don’t take irony (as “porridge wogs” are mean skunks, “Kikes” are greedy liars, “Digos” are mafiosi, “Spics”, “Niggers” and Gypsies are criminals etc.).
              You are not simply a racist but an especially stupid specimen of this category.

            • I repeat that is two posts in total you have issues with, out of ten thousand odd.
              Wrong again berchmans. All of your posts were disgusting dirty attempts to be seen as written by a simple postman, the man of the street, spiced with million anti-semitic remarks, libels, lies and smears showing complete ignorance of the subject. (I remember your best was the use of a exclusively Turkish name for a Palestinian in one of your extremely cretinous dramas and the denial of the real content of the Hamas Charter). My insistence to remind people only these two posts of yours is to show that you are not a simple field version of an anti-semite but an extremely vicious one who given other circumstances would be an excellent rapist SS hangman.

            • “ziospecs”

              Now let us assume that you are correct and Peter does have unjust issues with you.
              Are you suggesting all Zionists do?
              Is there something wrong with Zionism or Zionists?
              Is Ziospecs meant to be a bad insult?

            • Berchmans, irony works only if there is a shared understanding of its objective and I doubt that you know what it means, let alone what is or is not ironic. There has never been that shared understanding and still isn’t. What you said was not ironic – and neither was your threat to come round and bonk me in front of my friends – regardless of what you may choose to call that.

              Both were ignorant and offensive, but not surprising given what was and is known about you. You haven’t changed.

              So it embarrasses you, does it, to have recalled for the readership here that you sometimes wanted to give Ann Frank a good blast? Good! Do you not realise that even to think such a thing, let alone write it even in the safe confines of CiF, marks you out as a particularly low form of antisemitic amoeba with a vile imagination?

              Adam, surely this excrescence has overstayed his welcome? CifWatch of all sites, having had experience of him before, should know that it is impossible to pick up a turd by its clean end.

        • ” Are you that ignorant? ”

          Yes I am delighted to say I am. Too busy trying to get Peter to trip and fall on his face again to keep up with current affairs. Also I dont read the Guardian anymore .

          But this is great …Whenever I mention the settlements it is as if I have climbed in a tank to go into Poland.

          • “Yes I am delighted to say I am.”

            That is progress.
            I suggest you interact in other places so you can learn before returning here because you feel like you are a German tank driver from 1939 heading east.

            Why is it that you try and get Peter to trip instead of answering other people’s questions?
            Ignore Peter if you must but answer the questions.
            While we are at it, why do you not condem Iran and Press TV as well as George Galloway?

        • You really ought to go there and speak to people.

          I think that the name ‘Paul Titterton’ already appears on ‘lists’. He would not be allowed to enter Israel and would probably be bared from entering The West Bank and Gaza, Even if he approached from the Egyptian side like fellow (embarrassing Scot,) George Galloway.

          • I very much doubt he is that important.
            You see NobblyStick, some people prefer to “fight” or give advice from the safety of their arm chairs.
            Most of these, if not all, are cowards.

        • adding to my last commetn. Livni will also won;t agree to give up the Jordanian border or Jerusalem or agree to the right of return. So you see, glad as you are there are still many obstacle to real peace.

  8. Hungarian, Gerald and Itsik should really be answering why so many, including Israeli Ministers think Israel is an obstacle to peace. Hungarian would much rather talk how smelly some of us are in his filthy mind. I for one am not interested the minds of the likes of the Hungarian but i would like to know what the Hungarian thinks about the Justice Minister of Israel suggesting Israel is an obstacle to peace and that Israel’s obsession with land grabs is counter productive and isolating Israel.

  9. Hungarian, itsk and Gerald should really consider answering the substative arguments that are not only put by Jack Straw, but also by the Justice Minister in Israel, the Financial TImes, the Israeli Banks. Perhaps cifwatch should also start watching the TImes of Israel and Channel 2 – with today’s relaxation on Iran, the isolation for Israel would get even more worrying for the Zionists. The only option is to make a just peace with Palestinians, end the occupation and the seige of Gaza. Anything short of that would be the end of Zionist project as we know it.

    • Are you trying to get some sort of specious validation for your anti-Zionism by using the well-worn “even Jews believe this” trick?

      We can see through it. Besides why should Peter, Itsik & Gerald do any such thing? You seem to have all the anti-Israel bases covered all on your not-so-sweet ownsome.

    • Giving in to Paletisnain demands like allowing the right of return is an end to the zionsit projet as well. Abbas has no mandate to give that up. If he does he will probably be kill by his own people.

  10. Oh Frtiz I do not worry about it – it is a project in the twilight zone almost nearing the end of its usefulness to the US and that is what would really count – the thawing between Iran and the US would be like the falling of the Berlin Wall was to Aparthed South Africa – hold on tight Fritz

    • By the way all the arab Gulf countries are also nearing the end of their usefulness to the US who is going to leave them alone to face the Iranain. So we will just see the arab wrolds continue killing each other. Israel did without the US before and if need be will do without it again.

  11. Fantasies are wonderful, are they not?

    Until the constructors of them fall for them hook, line and sinker, eh Jim Chance?