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A response to Harriet Sherwood’s parting shot


Harry’s Place brings us the news that the Israeli Embassy in London has responded by letter to the long feature by Harriet Sherwood published in the Guardian’s weekend edition on February 8th which was previously discussed on these pages here

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  1. An good response, but of course the Guardian’s lies will live on in the Internet and I have little doubt that Sherwood’s lying article will be used on the Internet as a source.

    • The Guardian is one of Great Britain’s most respected newspapers and Sherwood was known as one of the best foreign correspondents in Jerusalem. Of course it will be used as a source.

      • Let me to add some words to make your post true:
        The Guardian considered one of Great Britain’s most respected newspapers by the lunatic far left, members by the red-brown-green alliance, Islamism apologists and card carrying Jew-haters
        …and Sherwood was known as one of the best foreign correspondents in Jerusalem by other political activists and brainless Israel-haters. Of course it will be used as a source on the Aryan Nation, the Electronic Intifada and on many neo-Nazi and racists websites

      • Sherwood is not known as a capable reporter. The Guardian is laughed at by those who actually are aware of realities on the ground. You are just an anonymous poster on a website.

        That is all.

  2. In addition to the letter from the Embassy, another reader wrote in:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/11/palestinian-protests

    • “The tiny village of Jinba” Harriet Sherwood describes is in fact a temporary encampment used seasonally by Bedouin shepherds. Such sites exist throughout the Middle East, including the Egyptian Sinai peninsula. The difference is that this particular site has been transformed into an anti-Israel exhibition, by displaying the inevitable hardship of a nomadic way of life as Israel’s wrongdoing.
    Noru Tsalic

    • Jinnah is a village, not an encampment. There is a school and there are houses. Clearly you have never been there.

  3. An other poster published a link to Harriett Sherwood’s Facebook page.
    Some of her friends:
    Richard Silverstein, Stephen Sizer, Anthony Loewenstein, one of Cifwatch’s and HP’s house anti-semite Richard Armbach and a classic Jew-hater called Seymour Alexander whose avatar is the picture of Naftali Bennett with the legend: “I’ve killed lots of Arabs and there is no problem with that.”
    Many pictures of pro-Israeli bloggers with the sign” Hasbarafia”.
    A propagandist like her accuses others being members the hasbara mafia.
    That the Guardian has staff members like her and calling them foreign correspondents speaks about this paper’s real quality and agenda.

  4. Great that the ambassador cared to reflect on the situation in occupied Palestine.

    However, some of the Zionist Lawyers who visited Israel reported the situation very differently as reported in the Jewish Chronicle
    My conclusions? First, there is no substitute for finding out what is really happening on the ground by visiting and asking difficult questions. I had made numerous assumptions from both Jewish and non-Jewish media, which were simply wrong.
    Secondly, those who consider that stories of systemic breaches of human rights under the occupation are an anti-Israel myth are deluding themselves.
    We spent a morning at the military courts observing young Palestinian boys, aged 13-17, being processed, and speaking to their mothers. It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities, interrogated without being advised of their rights, without a lawyer and without their parents.
    Military Court Watch, an Israeli NGO, has carried out a detailed forensic review and they found over 50 per cent of children were arrested in night raids and 83 per cent of children blindfolded. All of the children we saw in court were in leg shackles.
    http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/114819/take-a-lawyers-advice-visit-occupied-territories

    • ” First, there is no substitute for finding out what is really happening on the ground by visiting and asking difficult questions.”

      Sherwood was an expert at visiting and not asking difficult questions, unless her interlocutor (victim) was an Israeli.

    • … those who consider that stories of systemic breaches of human rights under the occupation are an anti-Israel myth are deluding themselves
      Really? I completely understand that the human rights of Jew murdering terrorists have preferences – the human rights of their victims are not your concern.
      I’m sure that you have conclusions and naturally first hand accounts on the working of the military courts in the UK and North Ireland, Syria, China, Turkey, Russia and Gaza too.
      We spent a morning at the military courts observing young Palestinian boys, aged 13-17, being processed, and speaking to their mothers. It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities, interrogated without being advised of their rights, without a lawyer and without their parents.
      And how many hours have you spent in the hospitals where the children victims of these poor angels are fighting for their lives? How many mourning Jewish mothers and fathers whose children died as a consequence of the actions of these arrested Palestinian youths have you spoken?
      To make a long story short your conclusions have the relevance and value of a Harriett Sherwood rant in the Guardian. I’m sure that they would happily publish your vomit too.

    • “It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids…”
      “Military Court Watch … found over 50 per cent of children were arrested in night raids…”

      You have an interesting definition of the word “invariably, Harry :-/

      P.S. Not that I rejoice in ANY children being detained, but – did you read the Embassy’s letter above as to WHY Palestinian children are detained?

    • @Harry Watts I am curious whether your interest in the rights of Palestinian children translates into enough concern for their psychological wellbeing for you to protest publicly about the Jew-hating filth being peddled to them on children’s TV, in school textbooks and at summer camps.

      Also, do you think it is natural for youngsters to be educated to want to die while killing Jews from kindergarten age?

      Even you must realise that all this constitutes child abuse on a mass scale, and is a cynical move by Hamas and the PA to indoctrinate their children into hatred (many of them will never have met a Jew) so as to ensure that the conflict endures down the generations.

      So, I accept that you have the right to criticise Israeli policies, even when you get your facts wrong, but what have you yourself done to protest that Palestinian abuse of their own young? I am sure that other commenters would like to know too.

    • “First there is no substitute for finding out what is really happening on the ground by visiting and asking difficult questions.”

      Are you suggesting that the Israeli embassy staff who wrote the letter to the Guardian do not “know what is happening on the ground” or that they have not “visited”?

      What a strange point to make!

    • I read the JC piece and found it rather long on emotion and rather short on convincingness.

      In a society where mass-murderers are feted mightn’t people laugh and joke in court because an arrest confers some perverse importance on them?

  5. Obviously, AKUS you cannot even be bothered to read the whole report. After all, it is written by committed Zionists and reported in the Jewish Chronicle. However, I would like to share another observation they made with you. Of course you can read the whole article yourself.

    There was a shocking passivity of the Palestinians we observed at court. Parents and detained children smiled and joked with each other and we did not see a single case of anger. That’s not to say parents did not care that their children were being imprisoned.
    But conviction rates are 99.7 per cent. The passivity bespeaks a people who have become resigned to their reality. They recognise there is no longer any point in fighting for basic rights. I felt that the court system was clearly a figleaf for a system of arbitrary justice where the guilt of the child is beside the point. The courts are part of a system that effectively keeps Palestinian society in a state of constant fear and uncertainty.

    • After all, it is written by committed Zionists and reported in the Jewish Chronicle.
      Yachad is a far left British-Jewish anti-Zionist organisation – they are Zionist exactly as you are one.
      Hungarian I hope you are not suggesting that the JC will alow anybody to rant.
      I’m not suggesting anything, the article speaks for itself. The JC being the newspaper of the Jewish community naturally publishes different opinions including this vomit-inducing rant.

    • Parents and detained children smiled and joked with each other and we did not see a single case of anger.

      You would think that if the children were really so terribly treated by the Israelis their parents would at least show some anxiety.

      See if you can work that one out. Hopefully it won’t be too difficult for you.

      Over a thousand Palestinians, all of them either terrorists with blood on their hands or those who assisted terrorists, were released in exchange for a single Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit. It was instructive to see some of these prisoners alighting from buses in Gaza, looking fit, healthy and cheerful.

      When Gilad Shalit was released he was thin and gaunt and so weak from maltreatment at the hands of his terrorist captors that he fainted on the helicopter ride to Israel.

      Two Israeli soldiers who lost their way and were jailed by Palestinian police were murdered by a mob allowed in by the police. One of the mob was filmed at a window of the station ecstatically exhibiting his bloodstained hands to the crowd outside.

      Suspected Palestinian collaborators with Israel are brought before kangaroo courts and then killed. Lately their bodies have been tied to motorcycles and dragged through the streets of Gaza.

      But somehow you feel the need to complain about Palestinian children being arrested by the Israelis in the middle of the night.

    • You really do have an interesting dictionary, Harry. Passivity might be demonstrated by sullenness, quiet, heads bowed. Children smiling and joking with each other is not passivity, it is carefree, complacency or perhaps arrogance.

      Have you seen the scene in Goodfellas, when Henry Hill is first arrested, comes out of court and is congratulated by his mob buddies for having broken his cherry? I imagine that a Palestinian boy whop reaches 18 without getting himself arrested is probably bullied as a wimp or a collaborator, such is the extent of incitement in the Palestinian media and education system.

    • Harry – the JC (for all its many weaknesses) actively demonstrates the value of free speech. It allows people of all backgrounds and with pretty much any opinion the right to be heard. If you don’t know that, you have never read the JC (merely plucked selective articles that support your viewpoint off the web).

  6. I get it they are Zionist anti-Zionists and JC? a ranting ragtag – Now I have heard everything Hungarian. Are you suggesting that the JC will print lies about Israel and its occupation of Palestine? Give us a rest. Perhaps the ambassador would be kind enough to comment on the 99.7 percent conviction rates in the military courts Palestinian children are tried.

    • Why do you think that’s an unusual conviction rate? Where’s your comparison?
      And as far as alleged arrests in the middle of the night you’re so hot over, if someone commits a violent crime I personally couldn’t give two sh**s what time they’re arrested.

      • Harry’s complaining about the late night visits. He needs to have his hot coco after a day out in the kasba assaulting law officials and bunking off school.

        This is so unfair. You go Nat, I’m right behind you…

    • I get it they are Zionist anti-Zionists and JC?
      I don’t think that you are able to get anything so let me explain a basic observation of mine and millions of others.: That someone says something about himself it doesn’t mean that it is true.
      Are you suggesting that the JC will print lies about Israel and its occupation of Palestine?
      Again. I’m not suggesting anything. The article is full of lies, smears, distortions and naturally totally omits the reason behind the subject of the article.
      Perhaps the ambassador would be kind enough to comment on the 99.7 percent conviction rates in the military courts Palestinian children are tried.
      The fact speaks about itself, only morons don’t get it. The IDF arrests only those who were involved in terrorist activities and if there is any doubt they leave the suspect alone.

  7. True Too are you going to start watching the JC? Might be necessary to combat all this false accusations against the Zionist state. I have asked the ambassador to comment on the 99.7 percent conviction rates. Perhaps too true to be true can enlighten us about the superior prosecution the Israeli military offers.

    • You, Harry, put up the Palestinian children’s attitude – laughing and joking with each other – as evidence of Israeli perfidy, and simultaneously complain of a high conviction rate.

      Let me ask you this – if you were a judge, and the defendant, who has been accused of a violent crime, is laughing and joking with his pals, (and perhaps either eagerly admits or totally ignores the allegations against him) do you a) shake your head sadly and convict him, or b) let him off?

    • Harry:

      “I have asked the ambassador to comment on the 99.7 percent conviction rates. Perhaps too true to be true can enlighten us about the superior prosecution the Israeli military offers.”

      Maybe you should ask how come those they catch always violate the law?

  8. If I am a Zionist Labenal – and if he was a Palestinian child I will send him to prison – but if I were an ordinary Judge – I will ask whether the child’s guardian were present when he was interrogated and if not I will have no hesitation of throwing the case out . But than I am not Zionist like you who think the most moral Army cannot do anything wrong. and that if it picks up children in the middle of the night or interrogates without parents present that is ok. Besides why would any judge preside a minor being prosecuted in a military court – makes no sense – except of course in the most moral world of the IDF.

    Besides Labenal you Zionists need to argue it out amongst yourself first. The article was written by returning Zionist lawyers from the UK in JC.

    • Nat:

      “Besides why would any judge preside a minor being prosecuted in a military court – makes no sense – except of course in the most moral world of the IDF.”

      Are you saying that Israel is the only country in the world to do so?
      Say it or shut it.

  9. Harry Watts recognised patern of answering reminds of me of a certain Nat.
    Why doesn’t he reply to the person but rather reply through the bottom page leave reply field?

  10. Israel is definately not the only country that abuses Human Rights – Some of the others have sanctions against them. However, Israel’s Human Rights abuses, after the demise of Apartheid South Africa are the most enduring and most racist in its character.

    However, there atre other criminals has never been an accepted defence in any court. Now I do not know how a Zionist Judge would see it. I leave it you to tell me. I know no other Judge would accept the submission that My Lord there are other murderers not just me.

    • Now, Harry, would a “good” Zionist, or indeed a Zionist of any stripe, allow himself to use the blatant “apartheid” smear in a reply about Israel?

      Quite apart from the fact that it is a lie, it also minimises the suffering of black people under the real apartheid in South Africa.

      You see, I now find your “I am a Zionist” remark above to be nonsensical and I ask myself whether with you in their ranks Zionists need enemies?

    • Harry:

      “However, Israel’s Human Rights abuses, after the demise of Apartheid South Africa are the most enduring and most racist in its character. ”

      Lies, lies and more lies will not make it true.

      Off the top of my head I’d say Saudi Arabia and many countries in the gulf are far more racist and for far longer.
      Don’t recall any sanctions on Arabia and the emirates.
      In fact they have far greater influence in the EU and the US than Israel has.

      “Now I do not know how a Zionist Judge would see it. ”

      How do you know the judge is Zionist?
      Is every Israeli public servent a zionist?
      Does it matter?
      Perhapd unless they vote labour they should be locked up, Harry?
      Or is it Meretz? Hadash? who then?

  11. Israel is no more racist than any other country, including the UK. It is in a state of conflict with the Palestinians, which is quite different. It is, under the circumstances, extremely restrained in how it deals with its enemies. If it is hard on children, that is because the said children have been brainwashed into hating and attacking Israelis. I thought you said you’d been there? You seem to have no idea.

    • Nicole – of course you are right, with one exception. Israel is far LESS racist than most countries – including many who are not at war or threatened with violence. I have often said on this site (but it bears repeating) that given the circumstances, it is astonishing that Israel is not a military dictatorship with rationing, censorship etc etc. She should be (and is) extremely proud of her liberal, tolerant, open, free society – and is in no way complacent about her faults, and admits when mistakes are made or the “wrong thing” is done.

      Can you even IMAGINE this in any other country which has had to struggle for its very survival for every minute of its existence?

  12. Labenal the reason it has to fight for its existence as a racist state is because it was born out of a violent removal of the indegenous Palestinians. 4.5 Million of them are refugees today. All are under occupation. Now be smart make a just peace based on equality for all.

    Mitnaged I never said I am a Zionist you are confusing me someone else – And besides do you think the Blacks in South Africa would know? Ask Bishop Tutu and you will learn a lesson about minimising the sufering of the Blacks when you compare them with the suffering of the Palestinians under occupation.

    • Yeah. Thanks for that, Harry. I really can’t be bothered to respond to your stupid rant point by point. I’ll just say that only two things you say are true – i) that you are indeed NOT a Zionist (i.e. you do not recognise the Jewish people’s right to self-determination – so thanks for that), and ii) that Tutu compares Israel to apartheid SA. Doesn’t make him right, though.

      Apart from that, every word of your latest post is objectively an abominable lie, and I think deep down, you know it, but you are too entrenched in your sewer of hatred to consciously admit it.

    • Harry:

      “Now be smart make a just peace based on equality for all. ”

      I look forward to your next letters for each and every nation which its laws are based on one religion or another.
      Let’s start with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and China.

    • Is making a state offer an attempt at making peace?

      If not, then what is considered a peace offer?

      And shouldn’t you be concerned about the Palestinian leadership neither making a counter-proposal nor making it easy to come to the table?

      With friends like you, no wonder they are poor and pitiful stateless beings. Your only concern for the Palestinians is how bad you make the Israelis look. And seeing as how Israel is respected as THE Start-Up Nation, I have to point out that you and your idiotic ilk of nitwits and hate mongers and general jackholes have no fucking clue.

      You’re welcome, Harry Ass.

    • I lost count of the instances of obvious – I shall call it ‘Israel’-hatred – in that response! You’re no less of a liar if you quote the JC. As for the disgusting Tutu – you can’t win any arguments via him!

  13. So Harry, on just what basis do you find that the “Palestinians” are “Indigenous” specifically to the Land of Israel? Can you also tell me how long after invading and settling on a given piece of geography it takes before a People are considered “Indigenous”, not simply “Native”. Thank you…

    • On the basis that “indigenous” means “resident for two years 1946 – 1948”. Which of course excludes well over 99% of those dynastic welfare recipients.