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Factual errors behind the anti-Israel vote by Royal Institute of British Architects


CiF Watch recently posted about a motion passed by the Royal Institute of British Architects calling on the International Union of Architects (UIA) “to suspend the Israeli Association of United Architects’ (IAUA) membership until it acts to resist projects on illegally-occupied land and observes international law and accords”.

The decision was based partly on a presentation given to the group by an anti-Israel activist (and Guardian contributor) named Abe Hayeem.

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Here is a response to some of the glaring factual errors which led to the RIBA anti-Israel vote.

1. RIBA claimed that their vote was based partly on Union of International Architects (UIA) Resolution 13 which states that Israeli projects in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) were ‘illegal’, as well as the Resolution’s claim  that “The UIA Council condemns all action contravening the fourth Geneva Convention”.  

First, the claim that “Israeli projects in the West Bank are “illegal” – despite what the UK media claims – represents a highly disputed legal contention.  Additionally, almost all Israeli settlements are in ‘Area C’ of the West Bank, and is under full Israeli military and administrative control per the Oslo II Accord (1995) – an agreement, signed by the Palestinians, which contains no prohibition against settlement construction.

Also, Israel has not contravened the Geneva Convention.  Article 49 (6) of the Fourth Geneva Convention states

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”.

No court of law has ever found Israel to be in breach of this Article. The Article was written after WW2, when German and Russia forcibly transferred populations. Israel has not forced anyone to move into the West Bank, nor has it displaced local populations. In fact, the Palestinian population within the territories has increased dramatically

The International court of Justice did find in 2004 that Israel was in breach of the Geneva Convention, but this was in an advisory opinion which is not legally binding.

2. Abe Hayeem’s presentation to the RIBA Council included a characterization of the Prawer Plan for resettlement of the Israeli Bedouin as “ethnic cleansing”.

However, the plan does not even remotely resemble “ethnic cleansing”. It is a plan to give the Bedouin citizens of Israel more services and to reduce the economic and social gaps between the Bedouin and the rest of Israeli society. Many Bedouin supported the Plan (which has been shelved) under which a minority, some 20,000 to 30,000 Bedouin, would have been relocated (a few kilometers from their current place of residence) to recognised Bedouin towns, in order to be connected to Israel’s utility networks and have better access to state services.  Further, most Bedouin would have their current land legalized.  The plan also stipulated that those forced to move would receive financial compensation as well as new plots of land.

3. Hayeem also told the RIBA Council the following:

“Palestinian land has become so fragmented that a viable Palestinian State has been rendered impossible. The map of Palestine, for the indigenous Palestinians, has shrunk from being 97% of the land in 1917 to 44% in 1947 to 22% in 1967.”

First, the “map” he’s referring to has been exposed as a lie.

Further, it is not true that a “viable Palestinian state has become impossible”. Under the final status negotiations, Israel accepts that some settlements will need to be evacuated in the event of a peace agreement. And Hayeem’s figures (97% to 22%) ignore the impact of the immigration of Jews to Palestine in 1917-1947 as well as the 1948 War of Independence which was started by the Arabs but in which the new State of Israel successfully defended itself. In 1917 Israel did not exist! – hence the 97% figure.

4. Hayeem’s presentation to the RIBA Council accused Israel of pursuing “apartheid policies”.

This is an egregious falsehood, as you can see by a thorough refutation of the smear published by BICOM.  (See also Jonathan Hoffman’s critique of Ben White’s book.)

Finally, it’s worth noting that in April 2000 Nelson Mandela came to London and spoke to the Board of Deputies of British Jews. He spoke of the need for Israel to leave the lands taken in 1967 but not unless there was first recognition of the Jewish State by the Arab States:

I added a second position, that Israel cannot be expected to withdraw from the Arab territories which she legitimately conquered when the Arab States wanted to whip her out of the map of the world.”

No mention of ‘apartheid’ in Israel – from a man who spent 27 years as a prisoner of the apartheid regime in South Africa.

(Editor’s Note: To assist those in the UK who oppose the boycott, please sign this petition, and consider contacting the president of the Union of International Architects (UIA), Prof. Albert Dubler, and ask that the group reject RIBA’s endorsement of a policy of racist exclusion targeting Israelis.)

uia@uia-architectes.org (UIA email)

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  1. Abe Hayeem exposed as a liar.

    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2009/10/dark-side-of-abe-hayeem-iraqi-jew.html
    The dark side of Abe Hayeem, Iraqi Jew
    OCTOBER 14, 2009

    Over at The Guardian, Abe Hayeem, an architect and member of Jews for Justice for Palestinians, has been busy taking the glitz off the celebrations for Tel Aviv’s hundreth anniversary by rewriting its history as a dark tale of colonialism and conquest.

    He disingenuously omits a key reason for the founding and growth of Tel Aviv: Jews wished to escape the predominantly Arab city of Jaffa. Nowhere does he refer to the Jaffa Riots, when an Arab mob killed dozens of Jaffa’s Jewish residents. Thereafter many Jews left Jaffa for Tel Aviv.

    The irony that Abe Hayeem comes from a family of Iraq Jews, themselves, ‘ethnically cleansed’ from their homeland, has not escaped commenters:
    Cynosarge:

    Perhaps next week you will write an article condemning the mistreatment and expropriation of the Jews of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt ….

    And perhaps pigs might fly.

    If the Arab regimes had not driven out their Jewish populations, then there might not have been the same need for Israel to house them all.

    And Tom Wonacott comments:

    Having noted that you are a Jew from Iraq which numbered in 1948 about 120,000, would you care to discuss why the Arabs in Iraq (and everywhere else in the Middle East) chose to persecute, harass and evict the Jews? Today, fewer than 100 Jews remain in Iraq. What had the Jews in Iraq done to deserve being run off from their homes, and their possessions confiscated? Did any Arab take the time to ask these Jews even if they were Zionist? I know that this is off topic to a “peace activist” interested in the “occupation”, but you are the one discussing the “dark secrets” of Tel Aviv. What about the dark secrets of the Arab world? How about your own family? Certainly, your family history would be interesting on this subject. The Arabs held all Jews at “gunpoint” to discourage the creation of a Jewish state as the quotes below so obviously show. Maybe as a non Zionist(?) Jew, you feel that the Arabs had every right to blame all Jews for the creation of Israel?:

    November 24, 1947 In a key address to the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on the morning of November 24, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partician plan for Palestine, Heykal Pasha, an Egyptian delegate, made the following statement: The United Nations … should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. … If the United Nations decided to partition Palestine they might be responsible for very grave disorders and for the massacre of a large number of Jews.

    November 24, 1947 In an afternoon session of the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on November 24, 1947, the Palestinian delegate to the UN, Jamal Husseini, representing the Arab Higher Committee of Palestine to the UN General Assembly, made the following threat:

    “It should be remembered that there were as many Jews in the Arab world as there are in Palestine whose positions might become very precarious. November 28, 1947 Iraq’s Foreign Minister Fadil Jamali, at the 126th Plenary Meeting of the UN General Assembly stated: “Not only the uprising of the Arabs in Palestine is to be expected but the masses in the Arab world cannot be restrained. The Arab-Jewish relationship in the Arab world will greatly deteriorate.

    I would be interested in your comments on this subject.

    Sadly, Abe Hayeem’s reply betrays a woeful ignorance of why his own family was forced out of Iraq, recycling the old propaganda myths that the community was forced out by Zionist bombs, and quoting Rachel Shabi’s theory that Jews and Muslims coexisted in perfect harmony until those evil European colonialists forced the Iraqi Jews to live under their yoke in Israel. Both myths have been debunked here and here. See also here.
    Here are the links to the 2 articles. Man its looking bad for Kapo Abe.
    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2006/04/iraqi-muslims-threw-1951-synagogue.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/03/israel-arab-jewish-mizrahi?commentpage=1

  2. Posted by Fred Grubnik

    Abe Hayeem and Tony Lerman are two of the propagandists of the notion that Jews lived lovely untroubled lives in the Arab countried until the nasty Eastern European Jews came and stole a beautiful Arab country. Neither Hayeem or Lerman ever mentions the well documented history of Arab countries actively helping the Nazis round up Jews and deport them in North African countries.

    There is a book documenting the cooperation of Arab governments and the Nazis in North Africa during WW11. So much for the myth of the happy go lucky Jews living the good life in Arab countries. For Lerman and Freedman, their obsessive need to lambast Israel at every turn is more a product of selfabnegation and selfabasement than a statement of any real geopolitical views they might have. You never will find a Freedman column about human rights abuses in Chechnya or Georgia or Uzbekistan or even a word of sadness for the Kurds. So Freedman’s manic obsession with every trivial thing Israelis do has everything to do with the deep seated anger he apparently has for his lineage, for his last name for everything that prevents him from being of pure Anglosaxon stock. He is like the guy who does not get admitted to the social club of his choice and blames his parents for the rejection.

  3. Abe Hayeem opposes Israel’s wall.
    http://www.demotix.com/news/3580408/abe-hayeem-writes-message-separation-wall-replica-london

    A great article in response to Palestinian terrorist supporters like Hayeem

    http://www.trendingcentral.com/why-israels-security-barrier-matters-a-harrowing-story-often-forgotten/
    Why Israel’s security barrier matters: a harrowing story often forgotten
    BY RAHEEM KASSAM
    DECEMBER 27, 2013

    On December 18th 2010, Kay Wilson and her Christian, American friend Kristine Luken were hiking through a forest outside Beit Shemesh in Israel, around 15 miles away from Bethlehem, and 20 miles away from Jerusalem.

    Wilson, a British-born Israeli tour guide, would never have thought that on that very day, she would witness her friend being murdered in front of her own eyes, and come terrifyingly close to death herself. But that is precisely what happened, after the pair were set upon by two Palestinian terrorists, Ayad Fasafa and Kifah Ghanimat.

    The pair, who had crossed into Israel illegally, using an area in which Israel’s security barrier was incomplete, plunged a butcher’s knife into Wilson’s chest 13 times before leaving for dead. Wilson witnessed the last cries of her friend, Luken, as she was killed just metres away.

    Whilst Luken did not survive the attack, Wilson managed to make it to nearby picnickers, who sought help for her. Incredibly, she survived, and should perhaps be one of the most significant voices on why Israel’s security barrier is no “apartheid wall”, but instead, a necessary feature of a country and a people that are threatened daily with terrorist atrocities that make no attempt to differentiate between military and civilian targets. In her attackers’ eyes, Wilson was as legitimate a casualty of their war as an enemy combatant.
    But Wilson’s tale is not told, nor heard, often enough.

    Instead, in the West at least, we are conditioned into believing that Israel’s security barrier is some form of religious, ethnic, or cultural separation wall, designed to keep ordinary Palestinians from the more productive livelihoods that their Israeli counterparts enjoy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Incidents such as Wilson and Luken’s, as well as statistics that prove that the wall/fence/barrier, call it what you will, actually succeeds in stopping these heinous attacks, should serve as critical reminders of why such a measure is even necessary. But for many, neither the human implications, nor the statistical data, are enough to alter what is fundamentally a political narrative aimed at demonising the State of Israel.

    And this is what we have seen this week with St. James’s Church in London erecting a fantasy wall in “solidarity” with the Palestinians who have to live on the other side.

    As early as 2006 it was reported that since the fence’s erection, there was an approximate 90 percent decrease in the number of successful terror attacks registered. A drop of approximately 70 percent was also recorded in the number of casualties resulting from terror attacks.

    But it is much easier to stand around a fake wall in London than convey the ultimate truths and realities of the situation on the ground in Israel and the West Bank. In fact, if “Bethlehem Unwrapped” campaign were being honest about the security fence, it would have erected just a metre or two of concrete, and a simple wire fence for the rest of their demonstration, because these are the real proportions of the make-up of the real security fence.

    Just 10 percent of Israel’s “apartheid wall” is actually a wall, while the rest is a simple wire fence: a fact that you would not find out at the St. James’s Church demonstration.

    And of course, the fence isn’t even complete yet – a fact that Ha’aretz reported was a deciding factor in the murder of Luken, and several months earlier, of Neta Sorek, a feminist activist and English teacher.

    Both of these murders, as well as the other crimes to which the suspects have been linked, raise anew the question of infiltrations from the West Bank. The area between Jerusalem and the Gush Etzion settlement bloc is well known as the “illegal migrant path”, where thousands of Palestinian job-seekers – as well as criminals and occasionally, terrorists – migrate on a weekly basis.
    Nine years after then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government decided to erect the security barrier, only about two-thirds of the fence is actually standing.

    Kristine Luken was a practicing Christian, someone the church should be standing up for and commemorating the life of. Instead, the St. James’s Church display makes a tawdry political mockery of Luken’s life, of Wilson’s harrowing experiences, and of Sorek’s grissly death.

    Until “pro-Palestinian” do-gooders can acknowledge the facts as laid out above, and propose some way of dealing with the horrific challenges the people of Israel face, then I’m afraid we should feel nothing but complete and utter regret towards them, and complete and utter disdain for their high-definition,

  4. Here’s a response by Lissa.

    The wall is not the tragedy; the tragedy is the reason for the wall. Thank you for speaking truth, Raheem. I live near the place where Kristine was murdered and Kay was repeatedly stabbed. It was our family picnic spot. Is there anywhere that Jewish people can live without fear of being persecuted or killed just because they are Jews? I wonder how those in the UK who condemn Israel would respond if they had 10,000 missiles fall in their neighborhoods, as Israelis in the south have? Or if their children were bombed on buses or in pizza shops or slain in their beds as ours have been?

    Why is the outcry about the wall instead of against the terrorism which made the wall a life-saving necessity? Instead of vilifying Israel, these people who care for justice should study the history of Israel and of the UK, and ask forgiveness of the Jewish people for turning them away from the shores of Israel and sending them back to Hitler’s ovens or for holding them in detention camps in Israel and Cypress with inadequate food, clothing and sanitation.

    When crying out for human rights, the right of Israelis to live in the small land of Israel in peace, should not be overlooked. Please read the Balfour Declaration and look at the maps of the land allotted to the Jewish people by the League of Nations. We are living on a fraction of the land which we were promised. We want our children to be able to ride a bus or eat a pizza or sleep in their beds in safety; thus, the wall, which has drastically reduced terrorism and saved countless lives of Jews and Arabs in Israel.

  5. http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=7891
    Apartheid, Palestinian-style
    Dr. Reuven Berko
    March 30, 2014

    Land Day is a separatist challenge by a sector of Israeli citizens who call themselves “inner Palestinian Arabs.” They shake fists and wave the flag of “Palestine.” Land Day is often accompanied by violence, terrorism, and Palestinian activity to delegitimize the state. The expression “Israeli Arabs” is misleading in this context, as it includes the Druze, Circassian, Christian, and Muslim citizens who love the country along with those who are undermining it.

    This year, Land Day overlaps with a wave of international Palestinian agitation against Israel that includes the ongoing demand for “right of return” for the descendants of the refugees (knowing that means the destruction of Israel) and Palestinian refusal — backed by the Arab League — to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinians are currently conducting a worldwide propaganda campaign calling for economic and academic boycott of Israel and to brand it an “apartheid” state. The Palestinians plan to demand that the U.N. unilaterally recognize “the state of Palestine” and to take Israeli leaders and soldiers to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

    In the meantime, Arabs in the Triangle, a concentration of Israeli Arab towns and villages adjacent to the Green Line, are refusing Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s proposal to free them from the horrible “apartheid” and move them, on their own land, to a “free Palestine.” Many residents of the territories openly miss the days of the Israeli occupation. Israel’s “apartheid” reputation has led to thousands of Muslim infiltrators from Sudan to flock to our borders.

    In the Quran, we are “the chosen people,” but Islamic commentators say that Jews are a lesser minority who must pay a poll tax and ultimately convert to Islam or die. As far as they are concerned, Muslims may pray on the Temple Mount, but Jews are forbidden to do so. In their eyes, this is legitimate “separation” in light of the fact that the mount is under Israeli control. Acting in accordance with race theory, the Palestinian Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini worked with Hitler to implement the Final Solution and “separate” the Jews from human existence. Now any Israeli action to prevent mass slaughter of Jews is referred to as “apartheid.”

    In the spirit of Islamic “apartheid,” members of the Arab League stressed in Kuwait that they refused to recognize a Jewish state. It’s interesting how those who demand “return” would answer if Jews were to demand the return of their land that was stolen by Muslims in Khaybar in Saudi Arabia. And what about the property of Arab Jews?

    Those who define us as an “apartheid state” find it difficult to understand how Israel risked some of its best and brightest to fly our dark-skinned brothers here from Ethiopia. The rich range of “colors” in the Jewish society is used by Arab racists to attack Israel. They claim that Jews from Russia and Ethiopia have nothing in common, and therefore aren’t real Jews. The trials of converting to Judaism and the hardships of Judaism are hard to explain to those for whom religious conversion is a short procedure.

    What is the “apartheid” Israeli state? It is a state in which an Arab Supreme Court justice put a Jewish president who broke the law in prison. It is a state that did not implement “racist” separation on buses, in cafes, or in hotels, allowing Palestinian terrorists to blow up the Jewish “racists.” So Israel’s “apartheid crime” was in building the “racist separation wall” that kept Palestinian suicide bombers from expressing “opposition.”

    The “apartheid” Israeli state gave citizenship to Jewish refugees from Arab countries and to the Arab minority that remained in its borders. The “apartheid” state turned temporary quarters for refugees into Israeli cities, while accommodations for Palestinians without citizenship in the territories and in Arab cities remain refugee camps.

    Arab apartheid prompts Palestinians to kill Israelis by firing rockets from civilian homes, knowing that the Jews will enforce “separation” and not return fire on the source of the attack. Apartheid is a Western double standard that backs the Palestinians. No American would allow a member of Congress to support Osama bin Laden, but “apartheid” in Israel allows the concept of “barriers” to be warped and enables Arab Knesset members to swear allegiance to the nation while openly undermining it. This Land Day, the Arabs should get together and redefine for themselves the term apartheid.

  6. Well the boycotting Kapos like Hayeem can always buy Palestinian made home grown products like Katyusha rockets, suicide vests, slingshots with stone ammo and tires to burn. That about does it for their exportable inventory.

  7. I do like how Hayeem quotes the following:

    “It [Tel Aviv] didn’t just emerge from the sand in 1909, as the Zionist myth tells us.”

    Au contraire; the first to settle in what would be Tel Aviv were Yemenite Jews in 1881 and as you can see in this photo [see below], Tel Aviv did in fact “emerge from the sand”.

    * Photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TelAviv-Founding.jpg

    (The photo depicts a lottery for land plots to build on during the founding of Tel Aviv in 1909)

  8. Kelso you might not know this pogroms were primarily a European phenomena. No peoples have co-existed in complete harmony ever. But hey do no allow facts to prevent you from expressing a colorful view of how the Palestinians deserve everything they get, including being made homeless.

    • The Economist, October 2, 1948: “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit… It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”

      The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: “Any opposition to this order… is an obstacle to the holy war… and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.” The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of “several dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens more” in April-July 1948. “The invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their way” (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).

  9. Jane, get your facts right.
    The Palestinians live with their fellow Arabs.
    Its not Israel’s fault if Arabs treat their people like crap.
    There were more Jewish refugees from the Arab countries in the late 40s.
    Thank goodness Jews don’t keep their people in refugee camps for media propaganda.

    Da poor Palestinians! They get more foreign aid than anyone else, they spend it for
    arms, rockets, and propaganda. And line the pockets of their leaders.
    It’s not about bringing a peaceful two state solution, it’s about destroying the world’s only Jewish state
    And let’s not forget all the concrete that is meant to be used to improve Palestinian lives in Gaza, but instead goes to building massive terror tunnels into Israel
    http://www.idfblog.com/2014/03/21/idf-soldiers-unveil-terror-tunnel-gaza-2/

    6% of Fatah’s budget goes to Palestinian mass murderers of Israeli civilians.
    And Jane thinks i should feel sorry for them. NOT!

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/cash-strapped-pa-spends-4-5-million-per-month-compensating-security-detainees/
    PA spends 6% of its budget paying Palestinians in Israeli jails, families of suicide bombers.
    Hamas terrorist who orchestrated 2002 Park Hotel massacre, in which 30 Israelis died, gets $3,000 a month, Channel 2 reports; bomb-maker jailed for 67 killings gets $1,000
    ILAN BEN ZION
    September 3, 2012

  10. The Palestinians NEVER Owned Any Land. If we are so sure that “Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history”, I expect us to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of “Palestine”:
    1. When was it founded and by whom?
    2. What were its borders?
    3. What was its capital?
    4. What were its major cities?
    5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
    6. What was its form of government?
    7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
    8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
    9. What was the language of the country of Palestine?
    10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
    11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and try and find the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, British pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
    12. Have the Palestinians left any artifacts behind?
    13. Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967?
    14. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
    If you are lamenting the “low sinking” of “once proud” nation, then please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?

  11. 4.5 million refugees are Palestinians from Palestine now occupied by the Zionist entity – So for another fact many Europeans now live in Palestine. Some may be second or third generation. Facts are facts and than there is the Zionist narrative that insists Israel came into be being because of the Holocaust in the Arab world and of course the Palestinian insist that they were not responsible for the Holocaust and so why they should be asked to vacate their houses as a consequence of European Holocaust.

    • Creation of Israel had nothing to do with the holocaust as you people like every one to belive. It came about by the leage of nation in 1920.
      n his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

      “Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

    • No Palestine is occupied by anyone, as it is just a fancy.
      If you mean the Mandate of Palestine, that was a British installment, sanctioned by the League of Nation,not an Arabic.
      You mean the Palestinans are Britons? Hmm, …

  12. “Palestinian land has become so fragmented that a viable Palestinian State has been rendered impossible. The map of Palestine, for the indigenous Palestinians, has shrunk from being 97% of the land in 1917 to 44% in 1947 to 22% in 1967.”

    Under the Ottoman Empire, most of the country was state land. There were several categories of state land which it would be tedious to detail here. Also recall that in 1917, the start of the British occupation, the whole population west of the Jordan was less than one million. The land that the existing population in 1917 could cultivate or reside on was much less than 97% because of the much smaller number of people in the country than now and the lack of technology and infrastructure to dwell in the desert, a much bigger part of the country than now. Now, much of the cultivable land is not available for farming due to urban expansion and the larger population.
    The Badawin are a special problem because they did not possess land by virtue of land deeds or Tabu registry. Their age-old custom was to camp out on suitable land for their herds and tents, without ownership. Since the establishment of Israel in 1948 they have continued their customs, also settling down on lands that did not belong to them but were close to their existing encampments that have long since become permanent settlements. Also, their numbers have much grown since 1948, hence the fact that they settled on previously unsettled state lands.

  13. The Badawin are nomads by ancient custom and wandered across the lands of various now existing states without paying attention to borders or ownership. They also often raided settled populations, including settled Arabs. The 20th century saw their ability to migrate easily, limited by state power. The ancient kingdom of Judea and later the Roman Empire built and maintained an east-west “limes” south of Beersheba which was meant to prevent Badawin penetration northwards into more settled areas.

  14. Kelso –
    I like answering examination questions – so one by one here are the answers. I hope I meet your exacting standards.

    When was it founded and by whom? Palestine, like any other country in the world was founded in ancient times. To be sure myth has it that they are the sons of Prophet Abraham, the founder of the monotheistic faiths originating in Palestine.
    2. What were its borders?
    Again, even today nobody has defined the borders.of many of the countires in the region. Powers that be keep drawing the line in the sand but to no avail. Only, once all the ramshackle of European colonialism has been removed from that part of the world genuine peace would be restored. I am not so sure why than borders have to be defined.
    3. What was its capital?
    Jerusalem
    4. What were its major cities?
    Jerusalem, Nablus, Ramala, Jenin etc.
    5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
    Agriculture and trade.
    6. What was its form of government?
    Tribal and city based combination together with the nomadic peoples
    7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
    Depends how far you want to go (Prophet Abraham, Ismail, Isaq and one can go on.
    8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?Syria, Egypt, India, Yemen, Afghanistan…..

    9. What was the language of the country of Palestine?
    Languages evolved Arabic was the most recent they spoke and it is probable that earlier Palestinians spoke some variation of the Hebrew language. There are amazing similarities between Arabic and Hebrew, both being Semitic languages.
    10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
    Obviously, Monotheism was the basis of the religion in Palestine. Many of the current day Palestinians, would have been followers of Abraham who is considered the leading Prophet within the most prevalent faith among the Palestinians today, Islam.

    11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and try and find the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, British pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
    Perhaps this question lacks historical perspective but both Turks and following them the Brits imposed their own currencies in Palestine. Any for most in ancient times barter was used as the basis of trade and not money.
    12. Have the Palestinians left any artifacts behind?
    Yes – there is a huge documented list of books left behind in Israeli Universities and cataloged as AP (Absentee Property) recently documented by an Israeli PHD student.
    13. Do you know of a library where one could find a work of Palestinian literature produced before 1967?
    Yes. The Israeli National Archive held at the Israel National Library

    14. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
    First, it was the colonization by the Europeans, particularly the British and the French in the region and than the ultimate Zionist colonization that displaced Palestinians from their own homes.
    If you are lamenting the “low sinking” of “once proud” nation, then please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
    Proud nations in my mind are deluding nations. One is always proud before a fall. Israel is the proud nation in the region today not Palestine.

    • “4. What were its major cities?
      Jerusalem, Nablus, Ramala, Jenin etc.”

      Please show me a map of “Palestine” showing these cities within its borders because I’m pretty sure Nablus was in “Samaria” (a seperate entity) and was founded by Roman Christians, Ramallah dates back to Paleolithic times and was later ruled by the kingomds of Judah & Israel. In fact, the term Palestine was coined by the Romans after they crushed several Jewish revolts – it derives from the term Phillistine which were an Aegaen sea people from in and around the Greek Islands.

      What you’re doing is picking randomg things that existed at one point or another, belonged to different groups from differen’t eras and claiming they were actually one unified country or nation existing at one time! How stupid.

      I mean the fact that you claim Jerusalem was it’s capital shows how much of an idiot you are. Jerusalem as a capital can be summed up as follows: capital of Egyptian vassal city state -> capital of various Israelite kingdoms -> capital of Hasmonean dynasty (still Israelite really) – only under Ottoman times was it considered any sort of capital of “Palestine”.

    • Natzie Nutter steals the history of the Jews. Hmm, some sort of Aryanization the Palestinian fellow travellers are undertaking.

  15. To: info@riba.org

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Please can you tell me who the 62 signatories were of the Anti-Israel motion – I know that Charles Jencks, Ted Cullinan , Will Alsop, Peter Ahrends, Neave Brown and Abe Hayeem signed it

    Please can you tell me who the 23 Council members were who voted for the motion – I know Angela Brady, George Oldham and Owen O’Carroll voted for it.

    I know Sumita Sinha voted against it.

    I want to ensure that neither I nor my friends ever commission work from an architect who either signed or voted for the motion.

    Sincerely

  16. Jane, Jerusalem was never in history the Capitol of any Arab country.
    So stop making up history.

    The Palestinians have nothing to do with the name Palestine.
    The name Palestine is named after the Philistines, not the Palestinians or any Arab group.
    It was certainly not directed or bestowed to the Arabs in this area.

    The Philistines were from Crete in Europe and came to Israel 3000 years ago and were not Arabs or Muslims. Delilah and Goliath were Philistines. (Philistines died out.) Philistine is the name the Romans renamed Israel as a chagrin against the Jews.

    Yassir Arafat was not a Philistine, but an ARAB born in Egypt. Philistine originates from the Hebrew verb Palash, which means to invade. So the Arabs who started to call themselves Palestinians in the late 60′s are invaders and they want to create an Invadia state.

    The Palestinians are really Syrians, Egyptians and other Arabs.
    Before 1964, Palestinians were called Greater Syrians, because the majority of them came from Syria.
    A Good article about this.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/597264/posts
    The Myth Of The Palestinian People
    Yehezkel Bin-Nun
    December 26 2001

    • Lovely old KK with his “Arabs back to Arabia” mantra. Presumably you also favor similar claptrap such as “Jews back to Ur!”?

      The above rant by KK btw can als be seen at various other websites. Troll or plagiarist or both?

  17. Ken I know the Zionist narrative very well. Palestine was a place without people and Zionists were people without a place – but that is only a narrative and at best deluded and could be construed racist since it refuses to acknowledge Palestinians as people.

    Ken by the way, who killed the Palestinians?

    Besides,half of those living in Palestine today came from Europe and you might not know this because it is not covered in the Zionist narrative, most of humanity came from somewhere in Africa, that does not make us non-Europeans or non Asians. Just because your ancestors came from somewhere else does not mean you are not from the place you were born in. I must admit your argument in this respect is counter to the interests of many Israelis as ,many of their grand parents were not born in what they call their country today.

    • Most Palestinian Arabs are descendants of the 1845-1947 Muslim migrants from the Sudan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, as well as from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, Bosnia, the Caucasus, Turkmenistan, Kurdistan, India, Afghanistan and Balochistan.

      Arab migrant workers were imported by the Ottoman Empire and by the British Mandate (which defeated the Ottomans in 1917) to work on infrastructure projects: The port of Haifa, the Haifa-Qantara (1918), Haifa-Edrei (1905), Haifa-Nablus (1914) and Jerusalem-Jaffa (1892) railroads, military installations, roads, quarries, reclamation of wetlands, etc. Legal and illegal Arab laborers were also attracted by the relative economic boom, stimulated by the annual Jewish immigration beginning in 1882.

  18. Ken I know the Zionist narrative very well. Palestine was a place without people and Zionists were people without a place – but that is only a narrative and at best deluded and could be construed racist since it refuses to acknowledge Palestinians as people.

    Ken by the way, who killed the Palestinians?

    Besides,half of those living in Palestine today came from Europe and you might not know this because it is not covered in the Zionist narrative, most of humanity came from somewhere in Africa, that does not make us non-Europeans or non Asians. Just because your ancestors came from somewhere else does not mean you are not from the place you were born in. I must admit your argument in this respect is counter to the interests of many Israelis as ,many of their grand parents were not born in what they call their country today.

    • “Who killed the Palestinians?”

      That’s an excellent question. SOMEONE must have killed them! After all, in 1948 there were about 1/2 million of them, and today there are only 3-5 million. The only way for a population to increase by 600% – 1,000% over 7 decades is if there’s MASSIVE killing.

      Um, wait a minute…

    • ,half of those living in Palestine today came from Europe and you might not know this because it is not covered in the Zionist narrative?

      IT Is not covered up ,…… Care to explain that?

  19. cba have this debate who suggested Palestinians were killed off here is his quote “The Philistines were from Crete in Europe and came to Israel 3000 years ago and were not Arabs or Muslims. Delilah and Goliath were Philistines. (Philistines died out.) Philistine is the name the Romans renamed Israel as a chagrin against the Jews.”

  20. Ken I have even got a better reference about the invention of the Palestinian Peoples and it is, if you like, from the horses mouth – David Ben-Gurion
    “In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine… let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
    A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily… it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us… The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all … The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs… and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome… But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases… let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler’s or Mussolini’s propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs.
    Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938) as quoted in Flapan, Simha, 1979.”

    • “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people”.

      – Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat –

  21. 1. Why should a historian of an opposite party have access to the party archive of Mapai?
    2. Why didn`t Flapan produce a facsimile of the paper? Because there was no paper. It was an address, so minutes were rare.
    It is not the first time Natzie came up with this plunder, believing in the old nazi strategy of repeating lies till people believe them.

  22. alexa you are confusing Austria and Germany before the second world war with Syria and Palestine two different sets of countries two different continents.

    Fritz archives are available to all once they are released. You can read them yourself on wikipedia if you are so inclined.

  23. Alexa you are confused your problem is you cannot see the difference between a French European or a German European – They are both Europeans but one is French and the other German. So, one can be an Arab Palestinian or a Syrian Arab. Multiple identities are quite common place among the humanity. Perhaps this helps resolve your confusion.

    • old fritzie same old abuse, well done Jane a bit of fresh air here for a change, not just the same old gang endlessly saying how great Israel is, how just it is , blah blah, and anyone who disagrees is Natzie, a derogatory term used to hide their own prejudice. laughable really

      • “Pallywood” as a term coined by Richard Landes to refer to “productions staged by the Palestinians, in front of (and often with cooperation from) Western camera crews, for the purpose of promoting anti-Israel propaganda by disguising it as news.” Landes himself describes Pallywood as “a term I coined… to describe staged material disguised as news.

        “the phenomenon of manufacturing documentation about the conflict has been referred to as “Pallywood” (Palestinian Authority Hollywood).”

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