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Guardian refers to Israelis kidnapped by terrorists as “teenage settlers”


At what age, in the eyes of the media, can Israelis who live with their parents in communities across the green line be characterized as “settlers”?  Evidently, for the Guardian at least, such a pejorative can be imputed to a 16 year-old victim of Palestinian terror.

Here’s the headline of the Guardian’s first report (on Friday, June 13, by Peter Beaumont and Paul Lewis) about the three teenage yeshiva students kidnapped by terrorists on Thursday night in the Gush Etzion area of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank).

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Here’s the opening passage:

Israeli security forces have launched a mass search of the Hebron hills after three teenage settlers, one believed to be a US citizen, were reported missing amid fears they may have been kidnapped by a Palestinian group.

First, the Guardian got it wrong, as two of the three teens do no in fact live in Israeli ‘settlements‘.

Per Times of Israel:

The three — Shaar (16) from the settlement of Talmon, Frenkel (16) a dual Israeli-American citizen from Nof Ayalon near Modi’in, and Yifrach (19) from Elad near Petah Tikva — were reportedly last spotted at a hitchhiking post in the vicinity of Hebron on Thursday night. No one has seen or heard from them since

Here’s a map of the three communities.  As you can clearly see, only Talmon, where Naftali Frenkel lives, is situated across the green line:

mapIn addition to the factual error, however, what possible moral significance does Beaumont and Lewis assign to the fact that the parents of one of the innocent Jewish teens decided at some point to move to an Israeli community across the green line?

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The three kidnapped teens, from left to right: Eyal Yifrach, Gil-ad Shaar and Naftali Frenkel

Additionally, we’d like to know where precisely the Guardian is prepared to draw the line in their use of such a loaded term.  Would they refer to even young children (including infants) killed by Palestinian terrorists – such as the family members murdered by terrorists during the 2011 massacre in Itamar, including 11-year-old Yoav, 4-year-old Elad, and three-month-old Hadas – as “settlers”?

Let’s be clear: The Guardian’s use of the term “settler” – as an adjective to modify an otherwise factual description of an Israeli who’s been kidnapped, injured or killed by a Palestinian terrorist – represents a political decision which dehumanizes the victim, and serves as a potent reminder of the media group’s egregious bias even when publishing putatively straight news stories about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. 

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  1. The Guardian is clearly not interested in factual reporting. If there had been no “Green Line” the victims would have been referred to pejoratively as Zionists and if there had not been Israel, as Jews pejoratively. And that’s really what this is about. Facts get in the way . Reckless sloppy reporting is allowed is allowed. No, it’s a requirement. As far as the Guardian is concerned even in the embryonic stage of development, the embryo is a settler!

  2. The usual suspects are behaving as they usually do. I think – contrary to my best liberal principles – that it’s time for the State of Israel to consider the ultimate penalty for kidnap and murder. Then we won’t have to soil our hands or trouble our consciences about swapping thousands of murderous savage prisoners for one or two law-abiding human beings. Yes, it’s got that bad.

  3. But the IDF did say that these three adolescents were in the West Bank when they were abducted, didn’t it?

    • Irene why should it matter where the three were when they were kidnapped?

      Surely you are not suggesting that there are, or should be, ‘No-Go areas’ for Israeli teenagers? Areas where Israeli teenagers can expect to be kidnapped if they go?

      Surely not Irene, apart from supporting criminal acts such as kidnapping that suggestion smacks of racism.

      • No Israeli teenager should be sent to an illegal settlement outside Israel, in the Palestinian territory. And yes, it does matter where they were kidnapped because it is unacceptable to scare people abroad and make them believe that Israel is unsafe. Israel is very safe. Only the settlements are not, because they are not Israel but in occupied territory,

        • “And yes, it does matter where they were kidnapped..”

          So you are justifying the criminal act of kidnapping.
          Are there any other criminal acts you believe are justified because of where they take place?

        • As you say Israel is safe generally, and for a number of reasons, not least the Israeli army and intelligence. If the Israelis withdrew to the Green Line, it won’t be so safe anywhere. The lesson from the Gaza withdrawal hopefully has been acknowledged.
          It’s important for you to know, it seems, that according to the PA and to Hamas, the whole of Israel is occupied. Check out their websites and the emblem of the map of “Palestine” that makes no differentiations.
          Sheikh Yassin in his interview with Sean Langan ( in 2000) said he saw no contradiction when he considered it entirely within his understanding of Sharia to kill Jews anywhere. Jef you appear vey unsure of your understanding of this. Keep reading this blog, as it is informative.

        • Love the fact that clueless, brainless, dipshits like you think you’re smarter than the rest of the world. That there is justification for your hate mongering and violence. That the children of Palestine– taught by men in bunny suits to kill Kikes– is somehow equivalent to Yeshiva students.

          You are nothing like us, and you never will be. For one thing, if we were in your shoes, that state offer would have been accepted in the ’40s, and you would have had a flourishing state by now. But lo and behold, you would rather fight through 4 generations, blow up some pizza parlors, murder some athletes, and then proclaim to the world that your bloodlust is necessary for peace on the planet.

          You will never get your state. You will always be laughed at.

          YOU as in the moronic dipshit who posts anti-Israel drivel on the Interwebz every stupid fucking day.

          • Kouf:

            “You will never get your state.”

            You assume that such dipshits actually care about Palestinian statehood. They care more to strip Jews of their statehood.
            Whathappens to Arabs is very much irrelevant to them.

          • They don;t really care about a state what they care about is that there won’t be any Jewish state in the ME. Or else like you said they could have had a state long ago.

          • “that state offer would have been accepted in the ’40s, and you would have had a flourishing state by now.”
            funny when Ben Gorion in 1938 said that any partition of Palestine is temporary until Jews build a strong army capable of conquering all of Palestine. Even the 1947 partition, Zionist forces conquered the Arab side before any Arab army attacked. The reason why Palestinians don’t have a state is because Israel wants it to be Jewish land (where Jews are superior), all of it. Zionist and Israeli crimes put everything Palestinians did into shame!

            • Listen, Chad, your Stormfront fantasies work, you know, with the Aryans and those poor, pitiful, downtroddens who just have to kill more Jews to satisfy your futile bloodlust. You’re pathetic, even more so because you have to live with yourself.

              If you think you scored a point for the Palestinian “revolution” by spouting the bullshit you just did, then good for you. Israel still exists. Zionism is not as you define. And your meds rage on.

              • So what is it then? Are you saying Ben Gorion was lying? “[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state–we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107, One Palestine Complete, p. 403)

                • Where do you get these book titles? And you want me to take you seriously?

                  You’re a fucking nut and an asshole to boot, Chadwick. Stay stupid and clueless.

                • Chad obviously never ever read the book, has no idea about its author Tom segev an extreme far left and grossly discredited journalist historian. He simply copy/pasted the reference from one of these glorious websites: jewsvszionism.com or ummah.com

                • Peterthehungarian, his book has been out there for a while yet no one of his critics ever questioned the credibility of those quotes, why? But let us assume that Segav is just an anti-semitic monster who made up those quotes, what about Benny Morris?

                  “No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. Jewish state in part is not an end, but a beginning ….. Our possession is important not only for itself … through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a state will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country.” (Righteous Victims, p. 138). The transfer quotes were also taken from Benny Morris’ book. What ridiculous excuse are you going to use now?

            • Zionist forces conquered the Arab side before any Arab army attacked? With the British still in control ? lol
              “I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000)”

          • Yes alexa with British still in Palestine. I didn’t say that Palestinians accepted the partition (what native people would accept to partition their homeland with immigrants?), my point is that Zionists never planned to honor the partition and the plan to transfer the Arabs was already set before 1947, thus that wasn’t promising them statehood as koufaxmitzvah claimed. Why else did Zionist underground assassinate the mediator sent to negotiate the borders? Or are you going to blame the Arabs for that too? By the way, you neglected to mention the Zionist terrorism, which was way greater, and Arab casualties. But why ruin the otherwise perfect propaganda with that little detail, right?

            • The Jews did and it was their homeland swamp with arab immigrants.
              you mean that Jews were transfering arabs before 1948?” IN 1947? and of course you have the sources to back that up along with your point that zionist never planed to honor the partition.
              zionist terrorism where egreater ? I guess like today it all started when Jews retliated.
              like the fact that the arabs wanted to starve to death all the jews of Jerusalem.

              • Alexa, Arab immigrants? That lie was debunked long time ago. Both British and Ottoman estimates show natural population growth. The only mass immigration was the Jewish one. The Jewish population, for the most part, was made up of immigrants so it was not their homeland. British reports specifically say that Arab immigration was small, seasonal and temporary.

                I mean that the transfer plan was set before 1947 (Arabs were majority in what became Israel). Yes I have sources “With compulsory transfer we would have a vast area [for settlement] …. I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it.” ( Ben Gorion 1937 – Righteous Victims, p. 144)”. Want more? Are you saying that the founder of Israel lied in the above quotes? Why would he do that?

                I think nothing compares to the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, beside planting bombs in crowded markets, using massacres to create fear among Palestinians (see Deir Yassin), assassination of UN officials who called for peaceful solution….do I need to go on? This puts everything Palestinian militias did into shame!

                • You know how I know you’re full of bullshit? You cast aside realities with declarations that these are “lies that have been debunked long ago.” As if Anonymous Chad, the guy who quoted some book that doesn’t exist in some other thread on this site, and demands to be taken seriously when loudly mocked and laughed at, knows more about the Middle East history than anybody because, as he says, all that we know are “lies that have been debunked long ago.”

                  That’s the power of the Palestinian narrative where Pro-Peace means Destroy Israel.

                • Koufaxmitzvah, so if that is a reality, then I’m sure you won’t have any problem providing a source, right? I explained why this claim is a lie while you did nothing to counter that. Only the usual aggressive language that you use against anyone who disagrees with you. No wonder why it is impossible to have a decent argument with a Zionist!

                • No wonder why it is impossible to have a decent argument with a Zionist!
                  Really no wonder Chad. Zionists are smart people who wouldn’t argue with bigoted and ignorant haters like you. I know that you and “anti-Zionist” comrades are much slower on many areas (like understanding reality for example) than the average amoeba, so I’ll spell it out to you: While we in Israel made an extremely successful and permanently booming society you are (and will remain) a sorry loser, a nobody. Because you are a nobody Chad and your eternal longing for love and attention won’t meet here with any appreciation.

                • Arab immigrants? That lie was debunked long time ago?
                  Ottoman estimate? lol
                  The British Palestine Exploration Fund documented that Egyptian neighborhoods proliferated in the Jaffa area: Saknet el-Mussariya, Abu Kebir, Abu Derwish, Sumeil, Sheikh Muwanis, Salame’, Fejja, etc. In 1917, the Arabs of Jaffa represented at least 25 nationalities, including Persians, Afghanis, Hindus and Balochis. Hundreds of Egyptian families settled in Ara’ Arara’, Kafer Qassem, Taiyiba and Qalansawa. In 1908, Yemenite Arab migrants settled in Jaffa, and Arabs from Syria’s Huran proliferated in the ports of Haifa and Jaffa.

                  “30,000-36,000 Syrian migrants (Huranis) entered Palestine during the last few months alone” reported “La Syrie” daily on August 12, 1934.

                  Dr. Carl Hermann Voss,Chairman of the “American Christian Palestine Committee:” “The Arab population of Palestine was small and limited until Jewish resettlement restored the barren lands and drew to it Arabs from neighboring countries
                  In 1939, President Roosevelt noted that “Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during this whole period

                  etc etc. Just listen to Hamas leaders they themselves admitted that they are from Egypt and Saudia.

                • I have to provide a source proving that your Ben Gorion source is false?

                  Yet your denial of Israel’s right to exist isn’t odd even though Israel has existed throughout your entire life?

                  You’re not 67 years old Chad. You behave as if you’re barely 7, but that’s beside the point.

                  You need me to verify why you are an absolute dipshit. With sources. How about you just look in a mirror, Lil Feller? Plain as day it will say you are a loser.

                • Alexa, Jaffa is a port city it is normal that it had many nationalities, but the question is what percentage did foreign nationals make? According to the League of Nations’ Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine 1920 less than one fifth of the ENTIRE Palestine ARAB population were of mixed race (that still doesn’t mean they were immigrants). According to Hope Simpson report, Hauranis immigration was seasonal and temporary, not for permanent residency (only 2,500 were found in 1937).

                  ““Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during this whole period”
                  Then how can you explain that Arab population share was decreasing from 1922 to 1945? Why did the 1931 British census say 98% of Muslims were born in Palestine?
                  As I told you, all those lies have been debunked long time ago. See this 6 parts rebuttal:
                  http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/04/from-time-immemorial-the-origins-of-the-arab-jewish-conflict-over-palestine-part-1-of-6/

                  “Just listen to Hamas leaders they themselves admitted that they are from Egypt and Saudia” do you mean Fathi Hammad? He is neither a historian nor some authority on the subject. He is a politician who said that Palestinians have Arab roots (by the way many do due to Arab conquest in the 7th century and not due to the alleged Arab immigration in modern times) to gain Egyptian sympathy, mainly for gas and ease of blockade.

                  Does that mean you agree with Ben Gorion when he said Arab farmers are descendants of Jews? Or with Ahad Ha’am who called Arabs natives in 1891?

                • He is neither a historian nor some authority on the subject? No he is not he is just someone who live in Gaza and knows the people who live there
                  Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [“Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis.

                  Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims

                  If they have arab troots it means that they are lying when they say they are Cannaite or Phillistines

                  Then how can you explain that Arab population share was decreasing from 1922 to 1945?
                  Did it indeed? acording to who?

                  From 1870 to 1948 the Arabic population grew by 270%. Even in Egypt, the Arab country with the highest birth rate, the rate was only 105%, which proves that a significant part of the Arabic population growth came from immigration.

              • “No he is not he is just someone who live in Gaza and knows the people who live there” living in Gaza and knowing people there in itself does not add any credibility to his statement.

                “half my family is Egyptian” that indicates intermarriage, which is natural.
                “More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [“Egyptian”]”. So 200 people, more or less? Does that also mean Al-Canaani family are direct descendants of Canaanites?

                “If they have arab troots it means that they are lying when they say they are Cannaite or Phillistines”
                They are descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for centuries, some even since prehistoric times, but that doesn’t mean they are of pure race. They’ve mixed with other peoples throughout history.
                “From 1870 to 1948 the Arabic population grew by 270%.”
                Rubbish! I’ve seen that lie before. The trick here is to use false estimate of 250,000 Arabs in the turn of century whereas Ottoman registration data shows 564.000. As I said, the Arab population growth can be explained by natural means.

                • 30 families are 200 peopel? you don;t know much about arab familes. Are there people called Al Canaani? some even since prehistoric times? They are descendants of the core population ? We have heard those lies before yet with no real proof to show for it.

                  2. Between 1831-1840 thousands of Egyptians who refused to serve in the Egyptian military fled to Acre in Northern Israel where they settled. Thousands of Egyptian and Sudanese immigrants followed and settled in Gaza, Tulkarem and the Hula Valley in the following decades.

                  3. British geographer Henry Baker Tristram, in his book The Land of Israel – a Journal of Travels in Palestine from 1865, and the British Palestine Exploration Fund, documented large concentrations of Egyptian immigrants in Jaffa (e.g. in Abu Kabir), Acre, Hadera, Sheikh Munis (near Tel Aviv), Beit Dagan, Zarnuga/Kiryat Moshe, Al-Qubeibeh, Nahal Iron (Wadi Ara), Beit She’an and more. Swiss geographer, Philip Baldensperger (The Immovable East: Studies of the People and Customs of Palestine) documented immigrants from 25 Muslim countries in Jaffa, and immigrants from Morocco and Syria in Ramla.

                  4. 30,000-36,000 Syrian immigrants arrived in Palestine during a few months in 1934 (according to the Syrian daily paper La Syrie, August 12th 1934, citing the Mandates Commission, el-Haurani).

                  5. The British geographer Masterman, wrote in 1914 that half the Muslims in Safed were Algerian and the rest were immigrants from Syria and Bedouins from the Jordan Rift Valley. British geographer Claude Conder reported in 1878 that the Jezreel Valley was a sanctuary for Bedouins from Jordan.

                  6. Arab immigrants from Libya settled in the region of Gedera. Muslim refugees from Algeria (Maghrebi/Moroccan) arrived at Safed and Tiberias in 1856 after the French occupation in 1830.

                  7. The Ottoman regime and the British mandate encouraged immigration from Arab countries for the purpose of building infrastructure (e.g. the Jaffa-Jerusalem railway in 1892), building military bases, working in quarries, building the Haifa port and drying up swamp land. The British mandate encouraged immigration of foreign workers from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon but limited Jewish immigration.

                • “Since Ḥammad is a senior Ḥamas official, it might be assumed that his analysis is
                  only relevant to Gaza”
                  Yet he didn’t specify Gaza but all Palestinians which means his remarks have nothing to do with any analysis or actual historical data and everything to do with seeking Egyptian sympathy.

                  “But the phenomenon of Palestinian families who trace their origins to Egypt is also well-known” so how widespread is this “phenomenon”? If it is well-known then I’m sure you won’t have any trouble providing a source.

                  “A demographic connection to the Saudis has also been discovered”
                  By whom, when and where?

                  “This meant they traced their origins to Arabia in the seventh century.”
                  So at least 12 centuries (if we rule out the possibility of intermarriage with local population) how does that make Palestinians in the 29th and 20th centuries immigrants?
                  I still don’t understand what point are you trying to make here. This only goes to prove what I said in the beginning “They are descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for centuries, some even since prehistoric times, but that doesn’t mean they are of pure race. They’ve mixed with other peoples throughout history.” did you see the video I provided above?

                • Alexa, which part in your source proves your claim that Palestinians in the 19th and 20th century were immigrants – something that hasn’t been already addressed- feel free to point it out?

                • which part in your source proves your claim that Palestinians in the 19th and 20th century were immigrants –
                  all of it if you were to read it
                  This work examines issues tied to the emigration of peasants (falāḥīn) and Bedouin
                  from Egypt to the Levant in recent generations; the integration of Egyptian
                  immigrants into the Arab population in various areas of Palestine; and the silence that surrounds the entire issue of Egyptian components of the population of Palestine in the Palestinian narrative and discourse. While this matter is not entirely hidden from sight, it has not been studied seriously to date.

              • Alexa, average Palestinian household has 5.6 (lets say 6) persons * 30 that is roughly 180. Yes Canaani is a well known Palestinian family look it up. I am not saying they are descendants of Canaanites, your logic is (Almasri means Egyptian they must be from Egypt).
                How do we know some Palestinians are descendants of the core population? What else happened to the people who lived in Palestine before the 7th century? See this:
                http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-279707

                Several thousand Egyptians settled Palestine at time Palestinian Arab population was around 400.000? That is less than 1% of the population. In London immigrants make up to 21% of the population yet no one argues that London’s population are immigrants. You can also say there are large concentration of immigrants in many neighborhoods in London! What matters here is what percentage did Egyptian immigrants make? What percentage did foreign workers make?

                The “30,000-36,000 Syrian immigrants” has already been addressed, see my earlier comments.

                Who the hell is Masterman? Only two families in Safed are of Algerian origin: Alarabi and Aldelasi and they made up only small percentage of the population. On the other hand you have native Arab families like Alnahawi and Alkaddoura. As for Syrian immigrants, they arrived to Safed in 1266 when Sultan Baybars conquered the city so they have been there for centuries too.

                • Since Ḥammad is a senior Ḥamas official, it might be assumed that his analysis is
                  only relevant to Gaza, which is under its control. But the phenomenon of Palestinian
                  families who trace their origins to Egypt is also well-known in West Bank cities like
                  Tulkarem, Hebron, and Nablus. A demographic connection to the Saudis has also
                  been discovered among other parts of the Palestinian Arab populations. Extensive
                  research has also shown how Bedouin tribes in southern Israel originally came from
                  the area of the Nejd and the Ḥijaz in what is today the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
                  Similar research into the Bedouin tribes of the Galilee has traced their roots to
                  western Iraq and the northern parts of the Syrian Desert.2
                  pagE • 2
                  Among the families of urban notables in Jerusalem, such as the Husseinis, it was
                  common to claim descent from the Prophet Muhammad or of Hussein, the son of
                  the Fourth Caliph, Ali. This meant they traced their origins to Arabia in the seventh
                  century.3

                  http://jcpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Egypt2.pdf

                • Alexa, I didn’t deny that there was Egyptian immigration but I do find the claim that half of the Palestinians are Egyptians. Your own source shows only about 2% being immigrants in the 19th century and 200 people in Gaza with family names believed to be of Egyptian origin. I’m sorry did I miss something?

                  So in other words you are saying that McCarthy didn’t count the immigrants (yet he did count the Jewish immigrants who were not Ottoman citizens)? That follows you agree that there were approximately 300.000 in the late 18th century, found in Ottoman registration data, who were NOT immigrant. What happened to them? To further prove that your allegations are not true, why were there only around 660.000 Muslims in 1922 British census, a number slightly higher than the 560.000 found by McCarthy in 1900? This can ONLY be explained by natural means. Again, there is still no unusual population growth. The same can be said about the Arab population growth during the British rule.

                  The British government estimated the Arab immigration at 33.000 (who mostly left) during the ENTIRE period (1922-1945). Unrecorded immigration was small – I believe tens of thousands of people crossing borders would be easily found.

                • So in other words you are saying that McCarthy didn’t count the immigrants (yet he did count the Jewish immigrants who were not Ottoman citizens

                  Yes if you were to read what I posted before you see he didn;t count illegal immigrants but he did count legal one

                  “This can ONLY be explained by natural means ” . No it is not as I showed before.

                • “No it is not as I showed before.” lol when did you provide the actual estimate of Egyptian immigrants or when did you explain the lack of unusual population growth? I wasn’t expecting you to explain that by numbers (as most of your comments were copied from Israeli sites) but thanks for the laugh anyways.

              • Alexa, your source speaks of Egyptian immigration, I never denied that. The problem with your claim is that you are using the source of several thousand Egyptians who immigrated to Palestine in the 19th century to falsely conclude that the ENTIRE Palestinian population was made up of immigrants, when it was only around 2%. Even statistically, this claim is ridiculous. Before the alleged immigration at the end of the 18th century, there were at least 300.000 Muslims in Palestine (Alexander Scholch). At the end of century there were more than 500.000 Muslims (McCarthy) that can be explained by natural means. If there was significant Arab immigration as you claim, their numbers would have caused an unusual increase in the population. This unusual increase was not there!

                • Alexa, your source speaks of Egyptian immigration, I never denied that?
                  Yes you did in answer to Fathi Ḥammad when he said half of the Palesitnian are Egyptian.
                  2% ? McCarthy? No wonder. What a joke.

                  Consider first McCarthy’s analysis of Arab immigration during the Ottoman period. That he finds no illegal immigration of consequence is not surprising because McCarthy uses official Ottoman registration lists that, by the nature of its classifications, take no account of the unreported, illegal immigration.

                  His dismissal of Arab immigration into Palestine during the mandate period is based on a set of assumptions concerning illegal immigration that is both restrictive and unsubstantiated

                  Perhaps the more serious charge against McCarthy’s analysis of Arab immigration is his use of Roberto Bachi’s estimates. McCarthy’s numbers are based, in part, on Bachi’s reporting of 900 illegal Arab immigrants per year over the period 1931-45. But McCarthy misrepresents what Bachi’s estimate is meant to show. Bachi is careful to identify his 900-per-year illegal Arab immigration estimate as only those discovered by the mandatory authorities. Illegal Arab immigration that went undetected and unreported is not included

                  Bachi can only conclude that “in the present state of knowledge, we have been unable to even guess the size of total immigration

      • Gerald.
        Sadly there are many no go areas in Israel and else where in the world including Europe.
        This is a fact of life. There are bad people out there that do terrible things and we, as parenrs and humans, need to educated ourselves and our children about such places and listen to the authorities advice and common sense.

        Standing in an open air bus stop at 22:00 at night in a junction in the Hebron hills is, how shall we put it, unwise.

        I would not send my 16 year old kids there at that time of the night on their own.
        They want to attend a Yeshiva and study until the wee hours than do it in a safe one and using organised transport from door to door.

        Stating the obvious sad reality that parts of the WB are dangerous and should be viewed as no go areas for young men without adult escort is not the same as condoning kidnapping, murder or any crime.

        You can stick your head in the sand if you wish but it will not make a difference to change the situation.
        The state and the army advised time and time again against such practices and against hitchhiking in any part of the WB.

        Now, to answer your question, why should it matter where it happen?
        It matters because the public transport in the WB is terrible and needs to be made more frequent to prevent some from hitchhiking and by doing so potentially risking the lives of themselves and many more. We all know what would the Hamas wish to be swapped for them.

        • “Standing in an open air bus stop at 22:00 at night in a junction in the Hebron hills is, how shall we put it, unwise.”

          Itsik standing at an open air Bus stop at 22.00 in Acton is more than unwise! But if three teenagers were kidnapped while walking home from Acton there would be uproar if someone came out with the excuse that it was Acton.
          When three teenagers are kidnapped it does not matter if it is the West Bank or West London it is a reprehensible crime and the geographic location of the crime does not alter the severity of the crime, or the fact that it is a crime.

      • Why shouldn’t there be no go areas for Jewish teens as their are for the Muslim and Christian ones who live in that area (Palestinians)? Try making some sense. 150 Christian and Muslim teens were kidnapped by Israel this week; where is your concern for them?

        • There are no go areas fro jews in Judea and Samaria.
          150 Christian and Muslim teens ? and of course you have the source to prove it.

        • “Why shouldn’t there be no go areas for Jewish teens..”
          If you need to ask then you really are a racist bigot.

          “..as their (sic) are for the Muslim and Christian”
          Oh dear illiterate as well as a racist bigot.

          “Try making some sense”
          Sorry but to make sense to you I would have to suppress my natural repugnance towards illiterate, racist bigoted ideas such as you have ‘posted’ above.

          “150 Christian and Muslim teens were kidnapped by Israel this week; ”
          Now you are just being silly.
          Do you have some verifiable proof for your claim?
          Or shall I just add liar to your CV?

    • “But the IDF did say that these three adolescents were in the West Bank when they were abducted, didn’t it?”
      Well, I guess then that it must be O.K., huh, mush brains?

  4. “Settlers,” “American,” and other scary terms guaranteed to make a Guardianista’s skin crawl.

  5. My Guardian imitation
    June 13, 2014

    Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem, Paul Lewis in Washington
    Three male ultra-nationalist hardline extremist Zionist radical right wing settler militants were suspected to have been captured by Palestinian activists overnight on Thursday. The United Nations Security Council convened an emergency session to issue a condemnation of any Israeli search efforts.

  6. In Al Guardian`s mindset, there are innocent children, victims of continuing Jewish brutality and set apart teenage settlers, who as Jews cannot be innocent children, but are heirs of Jewish guilt.
    A quite Christian and Muslim concept for an allleged secular newsoutlet.

  7. Jeff you are wrong – first, The Guardian is not interested in “factual reporting – only in its own “interpretation” of history, whether past or ongoing. The guardian called the three kidnapped boys “settlers” that implies that all of Israel is Palestinian land – that all of Israel is one big “settlement” and that all Jews living in Israel are legitimate targets for terror. Don’t play with words – we all can.

    • See my post above, with reference to Medusa’s article here in 2010. Chris Elliott actually admits that facts are “tricky!” Of course, he should have said that reporting the unvarnished and unbiased truth is even tricker for the Groan, but hey…

  8. But they ARE settlers. The children of African refugees in Israel are called “illegal immigrants” and “infiltrators” just as their parents are. The children of Christian and Muslim Palestinians are called “terrorists” and “Arab scum” just as t heir parents are. So what’s wrong with the word “settler”? Seems it’s far better than “infiltrator” or “scum”. Shrug.

    • Brian taking a look at your linked twitter account tells everything about you, and your interests in the immigrants’ and the Palestinians’ cause. The perfect picture of an “anti-Zionist”…

    • So let me get this straight. You have preconceived notions of how people are termed by Israelis but really you’re just pulling this out of your ass? And you consider Israelis to be Occupiers, Colonizers, and Modern Day Nazis…. Okay. It’s not the hypocrisy that shouts from your comment, but rather your groundless and baseless assertions that you actually KNOW what people are talking about when they use the terms you have chosen to not only deride but publicly lambast others for using (whether they had or hadn’t used them).

      I mean, for fuck’s sake, you are one of those Special Ones. And by that, I mean Moronic Racist Asshole.

  9. If they live in illegal settlements, built on territory conquered by war (many of that on private Palestinian land), they are settlers! Even if settlements are not located on Palestinian territories they are still mentioned as settlements by the “times of Israel’. West Bank should be closed to Israelis until a peaceful solution is reached because their presence there in general – not just two teens hiking – endangers the civil and human rights of the Palestinians. I am against the way Israel is using their civilian population to make illegal territorial gains on the expense of native population and of course, the discrimination that follows.

    • YOu just forgot that the settelement which the boys where kidnapped from was a jewish private land until 1948. it was conuered by war by the Jordanian who massacared most of those Jews or took them as pow.

      • Funny alexa, assume it was, does that mean Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in the US? If that was a private Jewish land (I am yet to see the source of this claim), that alone doesn’t make it Israeli soil! It is still a settlement.

        • Chad, are you this stupid with everybody, or does our Jewish super-intelligence just make you look like a confused, jealous, pathetic joke of an assmonkey?

          • So is this how this site works? When you can’t provide a proper response you resort to insulting?

              • Funny, then why are you having a hard time disproving the cheap anti-Israeli canards? All you did was alleging that my claim is fantasy- despite me providing source – and insulting. Can you do any better?

                • “All you did was alleging that my claim is fantasy..”
                  Oh dear.
                  “..despite me providing source..”
                  Oh dear, oh dear.
                  “Can you do any better?”
                  Can you?

                  There is a correlation between anti-Semitic Israel hate and illiteracy, and you ‘Chad’ my dear old thing are a perfect example of it.

        • Interesting ‘Chad’ that you think that Saudi Arabia is the sole guardian of all Muslims including their land, wherever it may be.
          Following your logic Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in Iran.
          I will leave it to you to fly to Tehran and argue that point.

          • No Gerald, why put words in my mouth? I said the exact opposite! Let’s say you are slow or you didn’t read what I wrote carefully, what about the two users who gave you 5 stars? Is this your way to support Israel?

            • Chad from your post above @ 9:29 AM;
              “..Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in the US”
              Let’s say you can’t read your own posts or understand them.

              • Woow Gerald why did you cut the rest of my quote? “does that mean Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in the US? ” Notice this was a question, not a statement, in response to alexa’s claim that Jewish owned land is Israeli soil. In other words I was AGAINST that!

                • “Woow”
                  Are you unable to write in English?

                  It explains why you are unable to express yourself clearly or understand your own posts.

          • What exactly did I claim and when? Did I ever say that any Muslim on earth can settle a piece of land just because it was owned by a Palestinian Muslim before 1948? Private land ownership belongs to its owners. If that land is located inside Israel then that is Israeli sovereign territory. If not, then it is not. Building communities outside state’s sovereign territories means building settlements. Even your own link refers to it as settlement and it even says it was built beyond the borders of the original village.

            • Do you want us to belive that the Palestine state was the legal sovereign of Judea and Samaria in 1967 when Israel took it from them?

              • It was part of Jordan who seeded its claims to the PLO but I don’t see how is that relevant to what I said. West Bank is conquered territory not Israeli soil. That makes Israeli communities there illegal settlements.

                • ‘Chad’ do you write this just to entertain?
                  “It was part of Jordan who seeded …”

                  Seeded you illiterate clown is to plant seeds!

                  So ‘Crud’ are you going to entertain us with more of the examples of your illiteracy?

                • Jordan had no legal sovereign over Judea and Samaria how could they give it to anyone when it wasn;t their to give in the first place , By the way according to the PLO charter
                  Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, (or) on the Gaza Strip. So when did this seeding took place

                • Alexa, no where I claimed that Jordanian annexation was legal nor did I claim that PLO practiced any sovereignty in West Bank (by the way the source of Jordan ceding its territorial claims to the PLO: http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/88_july31.html ). My point is that West Bank with East Jerusalem is not Israeli sovereign territory.

                • ” My point is that West Bank with East Jerusalem is not Israeli sovereign territory.”

                  But Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem was not a Palestinain sovereign territory as well.

                  “no where I claimed that Jordanian annexation was legal”

                  But you did say it was part of Jordan who seeded its claims to the PLO so what do you calim?

                • “But Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem was not a Palestinain sovereign territory as well.” I can’t see how does that make it Israeli soil or how does that mean Israeli communities there are not illegal settlements!

                  “But you did say it was part of Jordan who seeded its claims to the PLO so what do you calim?”
                  It was part of Jordan and Jordan ceded its territorial claims to The PLO. What do I claim? That this entire argument is irrelevant to my original point that Palestine is not Israeli sovereign territory.

                • It was part of Jordan and Jordan ceded its territorial claims to The PLO. What do I claim? That this entire argument is irrelevant to my original point that Palestine is not Israeli sovereign territory.

                  Again how could Jordan ceded territorieds that weren;t theirs to give in the first place.
                  West bank and Gaza are not Palestinian soveregin territories. This argument is very relevant becuase it shows it is not palestinain sovereign terriotires . When Israel took it in 1967 it wasn;t anyone soveregin territories and as such it is not occupied territories but disputed one.

              • See, Alexa, what Chad is trying to say is that he really is a belligerent asshole who can not possibly comprehend that Israel’s existence is a very real facet of his life, especially since he was born roughly 5 decades Israel’s original existence. Surely you must trust the stark raving mad lunatic ramblings of a putrid anti-Semitic wingnut. How can you not?

              • “When Israel took it in 1967 it wasn;t anyone soveregin territories”
                And when Jordanians took it, it was?
                “and as such it is not occupied territories but disputed one.”
                The UN Security Council Resolution 446:
                “Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 1/ is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,

                1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

                2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;

                3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;”

                • And when Jordanians took it, it was? I don;t know was it?
                  “That because of the ex iniuria principle, Jordan never had nor now has any legal title in the West Bank, nor does any other state even claim such title. Article 49 seems thus simply not applicable. The Fourth Geneva Convention applies only, according to Article 2, to occupation of territory belonging to ‘another High Contracting Party’; and Jordan cannot show any such title to the West Bank, nor Egypt to Gaza.”.
                  “Thus Jordan’s occupation of the Old City-and indeed of the whole of the area west of the Jordan river-entirely lacked legal justification; and being defective in this way could not form any basis for Jordan validly to fill the
                  Jews… already had a legal right… to live in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.
                  sovereignty vacuum in the Old City [and whole of the area west of the Jordan River].”

                  “The opposition to Jewish settlements in the West Bank also relied on a legal argument – that such settlements violated the Fourth Geneva Convention forbidding the occupying power from transferring its own citizens into the occupied territories. How that Convention could apply to Jews who already had a legal right, protected by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter, to live in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was never explained.”

                • “And when Jordanians took it, it was? I don;t know was it?” no it wasn’t and by your logic Jordanian annexation of West Bank was legal since it didn’t belong to any sovereign state.

                  “Article 49 seems thus simply not applicable.” I provided a legally binding UN Security Council Resolution that specifically say it does apply (ICJ also says that), your entire argument on the other hand has no legal basis.

                  “How that Convention could apply to Jews who already had a legal right, protected by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter, to live in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was never explained.”
                  Actually the original text says IN Palestine not ALL of Palestine and no where does it say West Bank, East Jerusalem or Gaza. Israel was created a homeland for Jews IN Palestine so I don’t understand your confusion. In addition it says “it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”. So Israeli settlements are illegal even according to Article 80 of U.N Charter.

                • since it didn’t belong to any sovereign state. Exactly . So how can it be Palestinian territories?

                  “I provided a legally binding UN ….”

                  ICJ say that the mandate is still valid. ., UN viloated its own charter.

                  “it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”

                  How are settlement illegal according to this which is the Balfour declaration not the
                  Leage of nation which says
                  “The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country [ Palestine] under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

                • So you are saying that Jordanian annexation was legal because it was not sovereign territory when they took over?
                  “ICJ say that the mandate is still valid”
                  ICJ said settlements are illegal and that Fourth Geneva Conventions applies.
                  “UN viloated its own charter.”
                  You obviously didn’t read my rebuttal to the lie that Jews were given the right to settle all of Palestine. IN Palestine not ALL of Palestine. There is no mention of West Bank, Jerusalem or Gaza. The Jewish homeland in Palestine goal was already achieved and completed after the creation of Israel.

                  “safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.”
                  Around 70% of the non-Jewish population were deprived from their civil rights despite UN 194 calling for their return. The only ones who violated the UN Charter were the Israelis.

                • So you are saying that Jordanian annexation was legal because it was not sovereign territory when they took over?
                  LOL I’ll paste my answer: since it didn’t belong to any sovereign state. Exactly . So how can it be Palestinian territories?
                  I do hope you will answer it some day.

                  You obviously didn’t read my rebuttal to the lie that Jews were given the right to settle all of Palestine.

                  Yes I did read your lies. The usual pro palesitnian lies.

                  UN 194 ? arabs rejected that resolution
                  THE PRIMARY resolution on which the Palestinians base their claim to a ‘right of return’ is General Assembly Resolution 194 (III) from 1948. A close examination of that resolution, as well as later ones, reveals that these resolutions do not grant Palestinian refugees the right of return to Israeli territory. This was true at the time the resolutions were adopted, and is certainly true now, more than 60 years later, when the number of refugees, together with their descendants, has increased approximately tenfold.
                  http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Theres-no-right-of-return

                • Funny since you are the one who claimed that Jordanina annexation was illegal and that they has no right to give the territory to the PLO!

                  “yes i did read your lies”
                  What lies? The original text – not me – says IN Palestine yet you are the one who claims all of Palestine! The original text says “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,” yet you are the one alleging that Israel depriving most of the non-Jewish communities from their civil rights, is not a violation!

                  “arabs rejected the resolution” and that makes the resolution less valid because?

                  “A close examination of that resolution, as well as later ones, reveals that these resolutions do not grant Palestinian refugees the right of return to Israeli territory. ”
                  So when the resolution says “wishing to return to their homes” it means somewhere else?

                • I give up. I wasted enough time but you can;t argue with someone who twist everything avoid answering and don;t provide anthing to support his claims.

  10. Seeing as how school is out for the summer, and Chad and Brian are gracing us with their “intelligence,” I just want to take a moment and weep for the future of this Earth. The Aliens are going to have a nice laugh wiping out the useless morons who have overpopulated this planet.

    • I still don’t understand what is tripping you here. Alexa claimed that a once Jewish-owned land is somehow Israeli soil and I wanted to prove how ridiculous that statement is by bringing the Saudi Arabia example! That is why I used the question format and that is why you had to cut my quote. I never said “Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in the US” but I said “does that mean Saudi Arabia can claim ownership to lands owned by Muslims in the US? ” if you can’t see the difference then I can’t help you.

      • There’s no trip here, Chad. You make silly arguments. I turn the silly arguments into complete mush by rehashing my distaste for people who can’t, for the life of them, seem to grasp that Israel has a right to exist on this planet.

        The fact that you want me to answer your repeated and loaded bullshit assessments with some facts and figures is funny because it misses this one huge point that I will now spell out for you. I don’t take you seriously, Chad. And I never will.

        Pretty simple, no?

      • YOu did prove how rtidiculous your saudi arabia example was. YOu just forgot that Jews unlike Saudi were living in the land of Israel for cetnuries. Did the Saudi live in the US for centuries.?

        • Alexa, the correct comparison would be Jews and Muslims, Saudi Arabia and Israel. So according to your twisted logic, again Gerald I am not saying that, Saudi Arabia can claim Muslim owned lands in US and other parts of the world where Muslims lived for centuries! You still can’t see how ridiculous that sounds?

          • ‘Chad’, or whatever your name is, thank you for proving yet again that the last sentence of my post of JUNE 27, 2014 @ 1:16 PM on this thread is correct.

            • lol Gerald that was pathetic. You can seek assistance from an English speaking adult maybe you will understand what I said in your native language. I give up you are helpless case.

              • “I give up you are helpless case.”

                ‘Chad’ did you write that sentence for comic effect, or are you genuinely that illiterate?

  11. Didn’t they all attend yeshivas in the West Bank? Altho calling all 3 boys settlers is inaccurate since only 1 lived on a settlement, they were definitely pro-settlement. it gets at the gist of their families’ ultra-orthodox, ultra-nationalist ideologies, so i think your complaint is somewhat hair-splitting.

    • Sure, Riva, all the reason to murder 3 boys and, y’know, spark a regional conflict.

      You are conflicted. That is obvious. You have no problem with justifying the death of Jews but you seem to have a problem with the ramifications of cold, blooded murder.

      People like you are sick and pathetic. I say this because you ought to know how terrible you happen to be.