General Antisemitism

CST releases new report on antisemitic discourse in the UK


CST’s latest Antisemitic Discourse Report represents the British charity’s final report of the year detailing the “use of antisemitic language and images in politics and the media” – including within the social media. 

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Whilst we encourage you to read the full report, you can also read a brief overview here.

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  1. Does Roger Waters himself believe his own lies?
    Hi Roger Waters, you faker, come and meet your best new friends M’bala M’bala and Gilad Atzmon.

  2. A disturbing report which I have read in full.

    It concludes with
    • To speak responsibly at all times, without
    exaggeration or political favour, on antisemitism
    and associated issues.

    In my opinion it would be a good idea if these words were heeded by certain posters on CiFWatch and I am not referring to trolls. At a time when there is an ever-increasing need for CiFWatch and Adam’s vigilant and diligent work, I really feel he is being let down by some recent comments on here, which however pro-Israel, are damaging and uncalled for, while some posters (not trolls) who have asked legitimate questions or raised legitimate matters have been subjected to vacuous insults.

    Thank you, Adam for posting this important report, which I am going to on-pass to as many people as I can.

    • Some thoughts….. The Internet is roughly 15 years old. The people who lie about Israel have done so for her entire existence. The last 15 years on the Internet has seen many lies about Israel spread like disease all over legitimate news sites by anti-Israel trolls. Ergo, my own respect for this medium has never been very high.

      Don’t blame the people telling the Sibyl Nazis to Fuck Off. Better yet, accept what the internet happens to be — a one stop shop for Porn, Shopping, and Abject Hatred. That way you won’t be disappointed by what you read.

      • BDS has always been about Nazi-style antisemitism. It’s simply that the ill-fitting camouflage has been slipping off recently.

    • Amen Moshe. I have been unsuccessfully trying to make some people on here understand that things aren’t always black and white, and that acknowledging that is not a capital offence for years. I fear, from the tone of some of the responses to your perfectly reasonable post, that some believe that “constructive criticism” is only allowed to work one way. What a shame.

      • Thanks, Labanal. I enjoy reading your posts.

        You also provided a link to an article which was helpful.

  3. Leah,

    I am sure that you care for Israel very deeply and you endlessly comment on here to fight the same fight I try to fight, but in your own vociferous way. I don’t think it serves Israel or those of us who try to wield the pen — I should say the keyboard — on behalf of Israel and in the fight against anti-semitism to adopt a belligerent attitude towards fellow allies just to be one-up.

    It is quite obvious to me that some posters award themselves 5 stars whatever they write and award one star to anyone they want to put down. Personally I couldn’t care less because the star system on CiFWatch has become virtually meaningless.

    When despicable trolls come on here it seems to me it would be far more effective to simply ignore them, but when people who come on with what seem to be polite and genuine concerns about things I think it is far more useful to be equally polite and try to be constructive.

    A few days ago, along with poster Labenal, I asked if anyone who supported the proposed Bill that was being sensationalized in the Times could give me an explanation as to why they supported it. A few hours later (I am currently 8 hours behind Israel) I discovered that poster Rachel had very helpfully provided a link to a Times of Israel article and suggested I might find it helpful.

    I replied thanking Rachel, the article was extremely well-balanced and informative, and I happened to remark that the article mentioned that the Netanyahu coalition might fall over the proposed Bill. Despite the fact that I have an extended family in Israel I don’t live there and I make no pretense to being an expert on Israeli politics. As long as Israel is led by intelligent and fearless leaders I feel that’s the best we can hope for.

    My reply thanking Rachel was hijacked by a poster uttering scorn on my casual remark that the article says that the Bill might cause the Netanyahu coalition to fall. The article with its sober analysis was by Haviv Retting Gur in the Times of Israel, yet the poster alleged that it was merely the work of a Jew-hater masturbating.

    That’s Haviv Retting Gur writing in the Times of Israel….

    To me such comments are totally unacceptable, utterly childish and far more boat-rocking than anything I’ve ever written on CiFWatch.

    When I recently discovered that someone else was posting under the same name as me I was forced to come on a thread and say so and Adam asked that person not to use my posting name. Shortly after that the same thing happened. I was again forced to say on a thread that it wasn’t me. To which a poster responded with a childish remark. I suggest that if someone came on here calling themselves ‘Leah’ you would be forced to say it wasn’t you, and rightly so, and I would support you 100%.

    • It is quite obvious to me that some posters award themselves 5 stars whatever they write and award one star to anyone they want to put down. Personally I couldn’t care less because the star system on CiFWatch has become virtually meaningless.
      Not so completely, as in your case you can see that the opinions about your posts are divided.

    • Aww, poor Moshe, all that sound and fury about one very short post …

      “just to be one-up” – unless you are simply projecting, I have no idea what this means. I express my opinions even if you find them shocking. If you have a problem with that, you’ll have to find some way to resolve it, but not by shutting up other posters.

      “To me such comments are totally unacceptable” – again, you are not the arbiter of what’s acceptable.

      “My reply thanking Rachel was hijacked by a poster” – any idea how ridiculous you sound? Posts attract replies. That’s how this board operates. If you don’t want others to reply, don’t post.

      I also, by the way, provided a perfectly polite opinion on why the bill is reasonable and useful (I think that was earlier than Rachel, but I could be mistaken).

      Trolls: yes, ignoring them is one option, but it won’t work unless everyone agrees to do so.

      Awarding points: you seem very worked up over something you claim not to care about.

      As to your name, again you come across as whiny and self-pitying. So someone else is called Moshe. What a disaster. So now you are forced to be ‘original Moshe’. Get over it already.

    • At the risk of inviting a river of vitriol , i agree with you. When I first started commenting on here I tried to be even handed in putting an alternative point of view. But any dissent from what so see as pro israel is attacked in a meaningless way.

      I want to see a healthy, prosporous and secure Israel, at peace with its neighbours. But maybe I don’t agree with government policy which is (IMO) sabotaging that aim.

      • At peace with its neighbours? You obviously are not informed about the fact that Israel has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, without any of those masses of well meaning ‘friends’ of Israel who nowadays pretend to support Israel under this thin veil. The government has more experience in safeguarding the very existence of Israel than anybody else. Especially more than those coming along with good advises from abroad, safe from terror by Iran, PLPF, PLO, Hamas, Islamic Djihad, Hezbollah, ISIS, …

  4. @dinkle/original moshe, Tamara here.

    I like you two, you seem civil and better read than the others, although it much be the case that we disagree on many things (or not, let’s see).

    I wanted to ask you both:

    I presume that no one could disagree with you above comment ‘I want to see a healthy, prosporous and secure Israel, at peace with its neighbours’, but of course what has been left unsaid is the ‘ form’ that this Israel should take.

    What are your thoughts, and why? 1 / 2 state solution? Equal rights for all? Binational secular state? Swiss style cantons? Superimposed dual nationality / states existing ‘non territorially’ with citizens of each able to live anywhere?

    • “no one could disagree with you above comment ‘I want to see a healthy, prosperous and secure Israel”

      Sorry, I’m confused. You already objected in previous posts to the very idea of Jewish self-determination and the existence of the state of Israel as a whole.

      You’ve already posted like the worst troll, using the phrase, I quote: “rimming you nann”. So now you feel like you want to join the “civilized” discussion? too late.

  5. Leah,

    I have just come on here today.

    It was not me who awarded you one star. I don’t award stars. I used to but there is no point anymore.

    As to telling me that I have no right to say that something is completely unacceptable or I shouldn’t come on here if I don’t like things you say. I will just repeat this again and this time I will say it was you who claimed that Haviv Retting Gur writing in the Times of Israel was merely a Jew-hater masturbating. I wonder if you will make a similar allegation about the UK Jewish Chronicle which also writes this weekend that the proposed Bill might bring down Bibi’s coalition.

    You have been telling us that you understand what proper journalism and sub-editing is, not that tacky stuff they do at the Times. Fine, for all I know you may have worked for some more elevated newspaper, although I can’t imagine in what capacity.

    As to you suggesting I am a ‘whiner’, that may be an impression I give you because I wish to see certain levels of decency — I feel we owe it to all regular posters on here (other than trolls) and above all to Adam, to be civil and polite and helpful — OK, you’ve told me what you think I am, now perhaps you can tell me what you are?.

    • Yes, the JC often does give a forum to Jew haters and to Jewish backstabbers. And your point?
      No, you are a whiner because you keep going on and on about another poster having the temerity to share your first name.
      As to what I am and where I have worked and in what capacity (the one that you can’t imagine, as you so charmingly put it in your inimitably polite and civil way), I can’t think why you should expect me to have to report to you on these matters.

      • I wasn’t asking you to tell me anything about your private life — I would never do that — I was responding to you having told me what you think I am and I think quite fairly me asking you in return what you think you are.

        Given the fact that Moshe is such a common Hebrew name it would have been more sensible if I had called myself something else from the time I first posted on here.

        Perhaps in the future there will be another poster called Leah who expresses views you do not hold or says things you would not say and it will be confusing because obviously, unlike me, you will say nothing and quietly accept it.

        • I would not go on and on about it, if that’s what you mean. I might ask her once to change her handle. If she refused, I would probably add my middle name after Leah, possibly adding ‘(formerly just Leah)’.
          As to editorial work: yes, I have experience in this field.

    • Moshe. Unfortunately, some can’t tell the difference between a polite enquiry, a civil request and a beligerant demand. Perhaps they are so used to the trolls on here, they assume everyone who doesn’t automatically agree with them 100% is automatically a troll.

      As I say, it’s a pity, because the recourse to abuse as a first resort by some btl commentators mars a fine blog.

      • I would not go on and on about it, if that’s what you mean. I might ask her once to change her handle. If she refused, I would probably add my middle name after Leah, possibly adding ‘(formerly just Leah)’.
        As to editorial work: yes, I have experience in this field.