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Richard Milllett merely asked why Jews can’t live next to Palestinians in the West Bank


Cross posted by London-based blogger Richard Millett

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And so to my final blog of 2014 and a public event I attended last month at the University of Westminster, London.

On 13th November 2014 a panel discussed Parliament Recognises Palestine: What Next?

GUPS representative, Martin Linton, Dibyesh Anand, Sarah Apps, Murad Qureshi

GUPS representative, Martin Linton, Dibyesh Anand, Sarah Apps, Murad Qureshi

The panel consisted of Sara Apps, Campaigns Officer for the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Martin “tentacles” Linton, chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, Murad Qureshi, a Labour Party Member of the London Mayoral Assembly and, finally, a representative from the General Union of Palestinian Students (GUPS – UK).

The panel was chaired by Dr. Dibyesh Anand, Head of Department of Politics and International Relations at the University of Westminster.

As ever there were repeated calls from the panel for a boycott of Israeli “settlements”. When it came to the Q&A I raised my arm and asked one simple question:

“Isn’t it racist to call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the West Bank especially when considering that 1.7 million Muslim and Christian Arabs reside fairly happily in Israel ?”

Chaos ensued.

I was then referred to as “the enemy” by a man who walked out while giving me a rather unpleasant look. He also said, referring to me, “We are fighting these people”. Here’s the clip:

The head of Fatah in the UK then described how the Palestinians had welcomed the Jews from Nazi Germany and protected the Jewish community in Beirut during Lebanon’s civil war.

The most frightening aspect of his speech was not the lies but the applause. Here’s the clip:

Martin Linton then accused me of dangerously introducing “Jewish” into the discussion. But he then praised the anti-Israel group Jewish Voices for Peace (JVP).

Sarah Apps said she abhorred anti-Semitism. However, her organisation’s logo dispenses with Israel altogether. So, if implicitly calling for the eradication of the Jewish state isn’t anti-Semitism then, one must ask, what is?

Anand Dibyesh said this event wasn’t at all anti-Semitic (I never claimed it was) before immediately, himself, going on to make a link between Nazism and Israel.

Finally, a student asked what she could do to help. Martin Linton responded that she should support Karen Buck, the Labour MP for Westminster North, who, he said, is very pro-Palestinian. It seems for some the needs of the Palestinians are more important than the needs of the good people of Westminster North.

On the way out I was encircled by some aggressive students who told me I was brainwashed and who asked repeatedly how much I was being paid.

So here’s to a less hypocritical and more constructive 2015 although with the May general election on the horizon many British politicians will be using the Palestinians as mere political fodder with which to try to secure their own re-election.

Thank you for all the supportive comments I have had throughout 2014. Thank you to those who have commented on my blog and those who have cross-posted me and many thanks for the support of the team at CiF Watch.

More importantly a huge “thank you” to those who continue to fight against anti-Semitism and Israel’s delegitimisation in the UK but who receive little, if any, credit in return.

A healthy and happy New Year to everyone.

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  1. There is a “Fatah UK”? Then why not Al-Qaida UK? Or ISIS London?

    I wonder how the Brits would like it if Israel gave home to a Sinn Féin Israel branch.

    • There would be no problem since Sinn Fein is a recognised political party both in N Ireland and The Republic.

      • You’re right, they don’t murder anymore. Fatah still do occasionally so I guess it’s a wrong analogy. Sinn Fein also never fought against Britain’s very existence, unlike Fatah.

        • Still a bunch of psychopathic mass-murderers. They wear suits now? So what? So does the arch-terrorist Abbas, their spiritual twin.

        • What do you mean Sinn Fein/IRA don`t murder any more? They are still planting bombs, shooting and murdering. Over 1000 incidents in the past 3 years – information supplied following Freedom of Information request in Stormont

        • No, but Sinn Fein do fight for the genocide of Protestants in Northern Ireland – via their armed wing the IRA

    • Wath a big fat lie.Jews were never welkomed in Judea.tha Arabs so calld Palastinians just cant stand that Jews coming back to there homeland it reminde them the Jewish victory in 47’after they tride to finish the Jews-and after colonise all Jewish anciant towns,and by the way the aplouse seams fals(like all Palastinian propaganda)

  2. While Israelis, like any functioning democratic and free society, brutally dissect every action their country has taken to discern the complete truth, blemishes and all, the anti-Israel activists continue to invent lies and myths to permanently perpetuate Palestinian victim hood and Israeli villainy. The result: Israel is consistently denigrated, whilst the Palestinian cause is unquestionably righteous in the eyes of many.

  3. I would like to ask Richard for his estimate or accurate count of the number of people who attended the event on 13th November. From the clips I have played there doesn’t seem to be very many, but that may simply relate to the angle from which the footage was taken.

  4. You are an intrepid brave man Richard. Being encircled by aggressive students making offensive comments must be a hugely unpleasant, but not unforeseen, experience.

  5. Richard Millet is valiantly fighting for his homeland. British Jews should return to theirs while they still can.

  6. “Isn’t it racist to call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the West Bank especially when considering that 1.7 million Muslim and Christian Arabs reside fairly happily in Israel ?”

    This question is just about as disingenuous as it is possible to get.

    The Jews in the West Bank are colonists on the back of an illegal occupation. They enjoy a privileged lifestyle, exploiting the land’s resources at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants.

    The “1.7 million Muslim and Christian Arabs” living in Israel are the descendants of those that escaped a true ethnic cleansing circa 1948. In numerous ways they are treated as second class citizens in the land of their parents.

    • The response from Sencar, as usual, is as disingenuous as it is possible to get.

      There is no occupation because that land was captured from Jordan which has all relinquished claim to it. “Occupation” is a political buzzword applied by Arabs and Arabists and perpetuated by their sympathizers in the media.

      How are Jews privileged and how is that the “indigenous inhabitants” are indigenous when they arrived from places like Saudi Arabia and Yemen?

      Ethnic cleansing? Sencar, as typical, just ignores the Arab armies ordering residents to leave so that they wouldn’t be in the way. And by the way, a second-class citizen would rarely preside over the trial of a first-class citizen and former president, leading to his conviction.

      Disingenuous indeed.

      • “Sencar, as typical, just ignores the Arab armies ordering residents to leave so that they wouldn’t be in the way”

        This myth has been debunked so many times it is amazing that you still churn it out. Benny Morris analysed the reasons for Arabs fleeing their land village by village in “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”. He has changed his political position of recent years, not to deny the ethnic cleansing but to advise that 100% cleansing would have been preferable.

        Using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), Morris lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population. The inhabitants of 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army – particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

        By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).”. On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.

          • He was always right about the facts of ethnic cleansing, Michael. He now just wishes all the Arabs had been ethnically cleansed.

              • This is nothing to do with per capita income, Michael; the inequality is between the state spending on its citizens. In most advanced countries the state spends more on its poorer citizens than on the better off (of whatever race). In Israel Jews of all incomes receive far better services than do Arabs (who on the whole also tend to have lower incomes).

                • In most advanced countries the state spends more on its poorer citizens than on the better off (of whatever race). In Israel Jews of all incomes receive far better services than do Arabs (who on the whole also tend to have lower incomes).
                  Thank you again. This crap is so laughable for those living in Israel and seeing the reality that you with your obviously extremely limited intellect wouldn’t be able to grasp.

                • In most countries the people who benefit from government spending are those who pay taxes. For the most part, the Arabs do not and the Jews do pay taxes. Also, as far as services are concerned, in the areas to which you refer, the PA is responsible for spending. Since they are stealing all of the money for themselves and not applying it to the infrastructure and other budget items for which it was intended, the average Arab lives in squalor. Just look at the mansions that the people who control the money have built for themselves (if you have ever actually come to Israel to see the reality on the ground instead of quoting the BS that you and the other Arabs spread).

              • SENCER-mean wile its wat Arabs trying do to Israel and the rest of the world-ask the Hamas ,Isis and so on.you can be not sencer but not blinde

              • Sencar has you rim-lickers on the run!

                Why not quote a bit of Joan Peters while your at it, Michael?! lol

                Apartheid state. Simple.

                Sencar, top work, top work – Keep it up!

                • “Apartheid state. Simple.”

                  Demonstrably false.Unless you consider universal suffrage parliamentary democracy to be apartheid.
                  Maybe you are thinking one of the Arab and/or Muslim thugocracies,you know,the ones people like you and Sencar retain a deafening silence on.

                • Tamarissima; the homophobic, misogynistic, sanctimonious Jew baiter. I think what you really hate about Israel is that your hypocritical (and puerile) moral posturing has no impact on it what so ever. It remains the vibrant, democratic protector of Jews, Bahai, Druze, Christians, women, gays and an assortment of other ‘rim-lickers’ that are despised and persecuted throughout the rest of the Arab world.

                  It’s always been the delusional wishful thinking of the various fascists, demagogues, despots and murderers who have ruled the Arab world for the last 70 years to think that the ‘Zionists’ are on the run and Israel is on the eve of destruction. Thanks once again for reminding us that Israel remains a vigilant and indefatigable bulwark against the hate, lies and repression that you admire so much in Israel’s enemies.

                • Oh yeah, someone like you would only read his/her comments and ignore the responses and then reach that laughable conclusion. Run back under rock.

                • And by the way, you should learn the meaning of words like “apartheid” before you use them. Not doing so shows the kind of ignoramus you really are.

            • “He was always right about the facts of ethnic cleansing, Michael. He now just wishes all the Arabs had been ethnically cleansed.”
              sencar knows this to be true because he was told so by his most trusted Fascist sources in New Zealand.

        • Oh and by the way Sencar, it’s not surprising that you would complain about “myths.” Parroting and harping on myths like “occupation” and “second-class citizens” demonstrate exactly the kind of hypocrite that you are.

          • I could demonstrate the ‘second-class citizen’ tag in many ways. Here’s just one from a 2014 Haaretz report:
            “per capita spending for municipal services in Arab communities is 527 shekels a year. That’s about half of the national average in Jewish communities, 40 percent of the average for poor Jewish communities and about a third of the average in wealthier Jewish communities.”
            http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.579540

            • Thank you for this excellent demonstration of your complete ignorance of Israel/Palestine – all of your knowledge is coming from either from anti-Israeli sources or cherry-picked from history books ignoring any context.
              I the Haaretz article they somewhat forgot to mention that in most Arab communities the residents don’t pay local/municipal taxes at all, most of the small businesses don’t pay income taxes, the local economy is based on cash payments, that they don’t have to do national services (three years for males two foe females – their pay during this time is very significant difference), the corruption in the clan-led local councils is amazing even measured by Middle-Eastern standards), most females don’t work at all due to religious and/or cultural reasons. The Haaretz article also forgot about the distinction between Muslim and Christian communities, In the Christian majority villages and towns the situation is much better, less corruption, more cooperation with the county and government authorities puts these on the same level as their Jewish or mixed counterparts.
              Sencar successfully and convincingly arguing you need more that your hate of the Jews and Israel, you desperately need a brain (sorely lacking), the familiarity with the local languages and some tiresome study of the facts. True if you got these maybe you wouldn’t hate.
              Don’t worry I don’t expect so dramatic changes in your moral and intellectual status. Keep up your old and for us Jews very well known hate and choke on it…

              • Most of your points about Arab communities, even if true Peter, are irrelevant to the central issue about massively less state funding being provided for Arab services compared to those for Jews. I note that ministers from time to time promise to improve funding for Arab schools (for example); it just never seems to happen.

                Interesting that you should mention Arabs’ not doing National Service. As I’m sure you know, having completed NS is used as an excuse to give Jews many additional financial, employment and other benefits not available to those who haven’t served in the forces. Yet another way in which Arabs are discriminated against.

                • As I’m sure you know, having completed NS is used as an excuse to give Jews many additional financial, employment and other benefits not available to those who haven’t served in the forces.
                  So doing national service is an excuse and rewarding those who do by the same nation’s government is unjustifiable. Sencar your sense of justice must be somewhat underdeveloped. If you knew only a bit more about Israel maybe you could have saved yourself the embarrassing to write down this embarrassing bullshit about serving in the army. According to the law people can do alternative national service (and it is totally equivalent with the military service) working for their own community, helping elderly and/or handicapped persons etc. but they are encouraged by their own religious leaders (in Muslim communities) to refuse.
                  Massively less state funding? Because you know this from an article you read in the Ha’aretz? Have you ever been in an Arab village in Israel? Have you ever seen a Israeli school?
                  I note that ministers from time to time promise to improve funding for Arab schools (for example); it just never seems to happen.
                  Really? Ministers instead saying that dear Arab mayor you get exactly the same financial support like the others so please STFU? Maybe because they want some Arab votes? Poor guys – they must be very downtrodden – this is the reason that half of the Israeli Arab voters vote for non-Arab parties.
                  Sencar please keep it up your invaluable contribution to the Zionist cause and post some more ignorant crap demonstrating again and again who are these goodhearted Europeans who so obsessively fight for poor Palestinians somehow forgetting the catastrophic situation of their brethren in the Arab world outside Israel.

                • “As I’m sure you know, having completed NS is used as an excuse”

                  sencar’s “used as an excuse” language gives away an underlying prejudice of an ancient variety most beloved by his ancestors. sneakers uses his accusations as excuses for his hatred.

                • You even reveal it yourself. Why do you think (that may be asking too much) that poorer Jewish communities have less spending than wealthier ones? This isn’t a communist country. Peter points it out very well. Wealthier communities receive more benefit because they pay more in taxes, duh!

                  So much for you and your fan, Estupidimsima. Ooh look Estupidisima, Sencar has us on the run! Ha ha!

        • Obviously,lots of Arabs didn’t leave,no matter who allegedly was trying to get them to do so.
          Indeed,they have multiplied tenfold.

          Jews however,were ethnically cleansed.It would be impossible to debunk that.

          It would also be impossible to debunk the desire for the WB,along with Gaza and much of the Arab and Muslim world to become and/or remain completely Jew free.
          That.also,is impossible to debunk.

        • There was no “detailed listening” – there were no tapes made and non-one was making a record.

          The initial Arab claim was there was no record of such transmissions. You’ve embellished it. You lied.

        • The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible “in some bizarre way” (David Norris, January 31st) for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

          In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

          It is true, as Erskine Childers pointed out long ago, that there were no Arab radio broadcasts urging the Arabs to flee en masse; indeed, there were broadcasts by several Arab radio stations urging them to stay put. But, on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa’s Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

          Most of Palestine’s 700,000 “refugees” fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders). But it is also true that there were several dozen sites, including Lydda and Ramla, from which Arab communities were expelled by Jewish troops.

          The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became “refugees” – and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) – was not a “racist crime” (David Landy, January 24th) but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

          There was no Zionist “plan” or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of “ethnic cleansing”.

          The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies – much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

          I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000). – Yours, etc,

          Prof Benny Morris, Li-On, Israel.

          • “It is true, as Erskine Childers pointed out long ago, that there were no Arab radio broadcasts urging the Arabs to flee en masse” – simply wrong.

        • One must wonder why the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the areas captured by Transjordanian forces is never brought up. It wasn’t necessary for the Egyptians to ethnic cleanse the Gaza Strip because the last representative of a Jewish community more than 2000 years old had been ethnic cleansed in the 1930s.

    • “They enjoy a privileged lifestyle, exploiting the land’s resources at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants”

      Like many on these threads I don’t agree with everything that’s going in the WB, but this sentence is really string of false cliches.

      The great majority of them live in areas where Palestinians have simply never lived. There is enough area for everybody there. The transportation restrictions on the other hand are a necessity to prevent their continual mass murder by Terrorists.

    • Throwing crap to see what sticks, eh, Sencar? Typical blithering fuckwad. Got news for you…. The rest of the world is pretty comfortable with an Israeli state. You can continue to threaten us. You can continue to spew your bullshit. That’s all you got, and it doesn’t make you an equal.

      I met a girl at a NYE party. Somehow, we got to talking about Israel, and she’s talking about how Westerners have invaded the Middle East and are trying to wipe out Arabs. I pointed to her the peace deal made in 2000 and repeated twice since then: 97% of West Bank + All of Gaza + plus Israel land (making up the 3% from WB) + Money. She says, “We both have opinions.”

      Yes, we have opinions. But I’m the one with the facts.

      You’re a fucking moron, Sencar. And you will never find peace because you are truly incapable of understanding anything.

    • Considering that under international law there is no such thing as ‘an illegal occupation’. The Geneva Convention is EXPLICIT on how to conduct an occupation. So that is a lie right there.

      Second the Arabs are the ones occupying the land – it belongs to Israel and that TOO is mere international law. The Arabs are indigenous to ARABIA, not Judea. So that too is another lie.

      The only ethnic cleansing that happened was BY THE ARABS. None too place by the Jews. Lie number three.

    • You can spew the idiotic slogan “illegal occupation” till the cows come home: it’s still ignorant nonsense. Which you would know if you (a) understood what the word ‘illegal’ actually means, (b) checked the law and the international agreements to which the representatives of the ‘Palestinians’ appended their signatures quite freely.

    • Richard Millett,

      Thank you so much for reporting for us yet another frustrating and unpleasant meeting at one of the university campuses in London. Without your dogged and courageous efforts most of us probably would not know anything about these meetings or what actually takes place at them.

      They all seem from your descriptions to follow a depressing pattern: a less than full capacity but no shortage of bullies and aggressive students and z-list academics, none of whom ever want to respond to your very honest questions.

      Wishing you a very happy secular New Year in great appreciation.

      • Lady Tamara – it’s why you hate it. Don’t pretend otherwise. Israel is hated because it is full of Jews and is the only country in the world under Jewish sovereignty. It’s why are are obsessed with it. Everyone – apart from you, recognises that your visceral bigotry feeds your pathological hatred.

        • And pushing the psychological dialectic a bit further: isn’t it the case that “Jewish culture” in the broadest sense embraces the life of the mind, respect for science and artistic creativity, the delight in jokes and humor to deal with reality, and many other positive goals and purposes? If so (and probably most on this site can make a much more eloquent and extensive case for that general thesis) it could be very, very threatening to people committed to more narrow understandings and views. In fact, within the `Jewish community,’ the ultra-Orthodox would seem to find this a bit threatening.
          Obsession, hateful, visceral and pointlessly violent obsessive hatred of any group — I just don’t get it. Even accepting some serious “land disputes,” as a result of the inept Balfour/Sykes-Picot territorial provisions, it seems completely beyond the pale, no pun intended.

    • It is a Jewish state. And it will continue. No matter what your pathetic ass self has to say.

      That’s the funny thing about reality, Sibyl Nazi. It’s kind of right there in your face.

      • “Stupid” being the operative word in the case of so-called Tamara, who thought New Zealand Fascist sympathizer sencar was some big wheel for spewing ignorant nonsense with fully formed sentences in a mocking parody of the academic style.

    • It is. Choke on it.
      I mean it literally.
      You are driven by impotent rage that mere Jews have the temerity to have a successful, independent state.
      It poisons you and sends your 3 brain cells into paroxysms of spitting fury. The world makes no sense. There is no logic or justice. Jews should be tugging their forelocks to you, not openly laughing at you and your moronic nonsense.
      The same goes for Sencar, who may be a little more literate – after all, he can not only read but also quote the crap that Morris wrote several decades ago – but has the same serious psychological problem, namely the inability to deal with the cognitive dissonance between the world-as-it-should-be, with subservient Jews licking his ****, and the world-as-it-is, with Jews telling him to f*** himself.

  7. For Peterthe hungarian

    “Have you ever been in an Arab village in Israel? Have you ever seen a Israeli school?”

    I haven’t been to the moon – but I believe the testimony of respected astronauts that have. The figures for Israeli government expenditure on Arab and Jewish schools in Israel are not seriously in question. Teacher/pupil ratios and finance for special needs pupils are just two of the areas where it pays many times over to be Jewish. Deny that if you can Peter.

    • I haven’t been to the moon – but I believe the testimony of respected astronauts that have.
      And who are these respected experts who are believed by you? Joseph Goebbels? maybe Julius Streicher?
      The figures for Israeli government expenditure on Arab and Jewish schools in Israel are not seriously in question. Teacher/pupil ratios and finance for special needs pupils are just two of the areas where it pays many times over to be Jewish.
      This is ridiculous. First this is not true at all if you put it in its context what I already have shown. Secondly even if it is true, are you so obsessive about the distributions of educational budgets in your own country sencar? Or Jews have your special interests? Are you familiar with the budget distributions between different arrondissements in Paris too? Or the boroughs in New York City?
      But I like when your kind speaks about ethnic cleansing…
      In times of war all parties commit atrocities (especially in a life or death civil war) and it was not different in Israel but what I said these atrocities happened in a war where the Jews fought for their physical survival (you don’t need to have a strong imagination to know what would have happened to the Jews if the Arabs won – enough to take a look at present days Syria and Irak). But is there any war in Western-Europe now? If not then what is behind the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Jews of France? More than 10,000 French Jews left France to Israel only during the last two years…(and probably a lot of others to Canada)
      This is the real ethnic cleansing sencar actively supported by your kind of Jew hating shit. BTW only four years before the first Arab-Israeli war your ancestors implemented the biggest industrial scale ethnic cleansing and genocide in human history – and now you have the vomit inducing gall preaching us about the subject? About unequal distribution of budgets? You know the Jew-haters camp must be in a very deep shit if they have to go down to your laughably low intellectual level…

      • “This is ridiculous. First this is not true at all if you put it in its context what I already have shown.”

        What has context to do with funding for special needs pupils? You either support those with physical and learning difficulties on an even-handed basis or you don’t. No government has unlimited funds but what there is should be distributed according to need. In Israel it is distributed according to race. Read a little more of the Haaretz aricle and you will see that even government ministers agree with me:

        “Finance Ministry Budget Director Amir Levy corroborated these figures [“per capita spending for municipal services in Arab communities is 527 shekels a year. That’s about half of the national average in Jewish communities,”] when he told TheMarker that the treasury allocates less money to Arabs in Israel than to Jewish Israelis. “There are vast gaps in the resources allocated to public transportation, in the distribution of revenues from property taxes paid by businesses, in industrial investment and in education,” Levy said.

        Why I take an interest in racial discrimination in Israel is unimportant. If you want to challenge me, challenge my facts not my motives – but perhaps that would be too difficult….

        There is some truth in what you say about war atrocities but I was simply challenging the nonsense that they never happened, as our friend Michael would have it.

        • Sencar, you seem like the only other person on here who has actually read a real book on the matter.

          My compliments. You have these twerps in a proper tizzy!

          More importantly, others can read what you right and see the clarity of your logic. This Richard bloke seems like a proper muppet though – axe to grind Richard? Ever read a book?

          • I m sure richard has read plenty of books . Like most of us here he’s been to Israel many times and so has first hand experience of what life is like there . The other reality is your only knowledge is what you read on Marxist and Islamo fascist agit prop sites . More than that we recognise the cross over between so called antizionism and antisemitism . If you deny Jews the right to self determination while demanding the same for Palestinians , that’s antisemitism and you my dear are an antisemite .
            Israel is a fact so go wail and break your teeth on that

          • “Sencar, you seem like the only other person on here who has actually read a real book on the matter.”

            I’m sure it must seem that way to someone your intellectual “heft.” But, very small Tamara, sencar actually just gleams this stuff on the net from the best Fascists New Zealand has to offer.

          • That’s correct. He must have a well read copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Mein Kampf, a collection of Julius Streicher’s articles and the Hamas Charter. I’m sure he would be happy to borrow you these but obviously you already have a similarly spiritual well-equipped treasure house.
            You and him are the perfect duo posting here attesting the need of blogs like Cifwatch.
            Thanks for your invaluable help…

          • He/She/It the self-confessed retard demonstrates its own stupidity.
            “others can read what you right (sic) and see the clarity of your logic”

            Others can see what you write and see that, as usual, you are a stranger to the English language, logic and the truth.

            Have you “Ever read a book?” He/She/It?
            Doubtful as it is increasingly obvious your intellectual capabilities do not extend to reading. At least get whoever writes your posts for you to copy and paste to ‘spellcheck’ them first, or perhaps they are happy for you to continue making a complete fool of yourself.

        • Sencar , you seem to quote one newspaper article and then your friend calls you well read .
          I suppose the data that can be used as objective would probably be world bank data
          http://datatopics.worldbank.org/education/wTools/Visualtool.aspx.
          It would seem to indicate that comparatively Israel spends more on education and special needs education than any of the neighbouring regimes . It would also indicate that even at the ludicrous low figure you quote and rely on , per shekel it is still higher than neighbouring Arab states . Now what you doing is manipulative . You selecting your start issue and stop issue and rely on a quote from a newspaper . If you were fair you would say that Israel looks after special needs better than its neighbours . Not perfect but better than being disabled anywhere else locally .
          You say your motivation into looking at racial discrimination is not important just the facts . Then I suggest you re research your facts .Come back to us when you are a bit more educated and not so pompous about your moon trips or whatever .

          • sneaker’s only worries about racism is his dread that it will go away. He doesn’t hate, he indulges in it himself, and is especially partial to a certain kind of racism over all the others.

        • sencar to challenge “your facts” is not difficult at all but to do it absolutely unnecessary exactly because your motivation.
          There is no need to argue with your kind racist bigots until they don’t represent any danger either because they are coward armchair warriors angrily beating their keyboards spitting laughable nonsense or they lack the intellectual and/or physical ability to do anything dangerous – you are a perfect match in both categories.

        • What has context to do with funding for special needs pupils?
          Thank you for your repeated demonstration of your ability to understand reality, facts and simple texts. In Israel the local elementary and special need educational institutions are financed from two sources: a./Government and b./local taxes. The government contribution is exactly the same (per capita) sum in every localities. If you are not ready to pay your local taxes or the money has been stolen by your local leaders then all you can do is accusing the Jews of “unequal distribution.” Your method sencar is very old, well known and boring.

          • well said!!!!! peterthungarian.they have to bye hashish to them self -but wont pay taxas-and than acuse the Jews-i live in Israel and i know -the same old boring metode.

        • Sencar, is this knowledge on the fiscal variations of Israeli local government spending and how money is distributed to different Israeli communities being said because you want to show the ‘Zionists’ what they don’t know, or is it because you don’t know anything else?

          What I mean is, its a fair point to draw attention to societal inequalities, but how about a comparison with Brazil – with a racial and regional breakdown of who gets what and how much? Does this knowledge and your wish to express it to the incorrigible yids of this world reflect more on your obsessive hostility to Jewish sovereignty rather than on a real interest in how global, national and regional wealth is distributed?

          • You miss the point, Groovy. There are inequalities all over the world but most are only indirectly a result of deliberate government policy and are not usually based explicitly on race. In Israel government funding for services to Arabs is markedly less than that provided for Jews. The government could change this but chooses not to do so even though the unfairness is acknowledged by ministers – as I note above.

            • No, you miss the point, Sencar. The Arabs and pathetic hate mongers dripped in shit such as yourself have had decades to accept Israel’s existence and to work with that country to obtain a semblance of peace in the region. Instead, you have decided to smear Jews with some moralistic bullshit coming from your ass. Remember that, Sencar. You are, to be honest, one of the stupidest, most pathetic assmonkeys on this planet. Shit, boy, you’ve had a whole year to show change and acceptance. But you insist on blaming Israel for everything.

              What a failure you are. Meanwhile, Israel exists, Jews continue to live, and the Arabs who need you to defend them (if you can believe that) continue to fester in shit. Because that’s what you provide them. Because that’s all you’ve got.

              Poor, pathetic, and fucKKKing moronic Sencar. When will you win?.

            • Stop telling lies. As was already told you the Israeli government pays the Arabs schools the same amount of money as it pays the Jewish schools. Now go away back to the liars village.

            • Sencar: “There are inequalities all over the world but most are only indirectly a result of deliberate government policy and are not usually based explicitly on race”.

              Are you sure?

              Isn’t the Arab world ripping itself apart because of clannish / racist ideas and policies that for example, leave Sunnis in Iraq feeling discriminated against by Shiah’s? Sunnis in Syria; weren’t they subjugated for years under the institutionalised discrimination of the Ba’athist regime and its Alawite rulers? What about Palestinians in Lebanon who live in a virtual ‘pale of settlement’, denied the rights of other Lebanese citizens?

              And deliberate or not, does it make an Egyptian living in a Cairo slum or a Brazilian in a shanty town, or a Indian on the lower rungs of the Caste system, all existing in abject and dire poverty, better or worse off than an Israeli Arab? Is the principle of Jews misusing power more important to you than the more acute poverty and injustice experienced by so many others? Do they take solace in their daily lives that at least they are not ruled by Jews?

              I’m not defending policies in Israel that disadvantage its poorer citizens and / or its Arab communities, but I do question your ability to look at Israel’s faults in a wider global context of chronic and institutionalised iniquity, injustice and poverty, and wonder why you are obsessed with placing Israel in a special category for criticism, at the expense of every other deserving cause.

              • ” Is the principle of Jews misusing power more important to you than the more acute poverty and injustice experienced by so many others?”

                Not at all. I comment about Israel here because comment about Israel is the subject of the board. The great majority of posters are right wing Zionists (you may be the exception to the ‘right wing’ epithet). I just offer an alternative view and endeavour to correct error. There wouldn’t be much point offering a commentary on injustice elsewhere in the world on CifWatch.

                • Not at all. You comment here because you look for angles to demonize Israel. There is a big difference between that and legitimate criticism.

                • Sencar , dear fellow , you have lost your plot
                  First you say that you are interested in facts not motivations .
                  We give you independent reports and facts and stats
                  then you say that you believe moon trips or something crazyspeak
                  Now you say that you are interested in the injustice , which is about fairness and not facts .
                  You select which people you are going to reply to , even though you have some questions and data brought to your attention .

                  The irony of your posting here is that Poor Mr Millett was marched out of the meeting . Whereas we tolerate your questions and try to answer them , despite your apparent refusal to listen to anyone except your own voice . We don’t block you or censor you . Mr Millett never got his question answered . We have been more than helpful with you .

                  Now because we disagree with you we are all called ‘right wing Zionists’ . For all you know we could be living in Burma and are Buddhists . You don’t know and yet you label something you don’t like .

                • The subject of this blog sencar is not Israel but the Guardian and other Western media attempts to deligitimize Israel exploiting the antisemitism of its readers (those like yourself) But for fairness sake please show any other posts written by you on any other web forum not connected to Israel and/or Jews where you are criticizing the unequal distribution of funds between different groups of the population in any other country than Israel…

                • I’d love to hear the twerp Sencar’s definition of Zionist.
                  Or right-wing, for that matter.
                  I have a strong suspicion, though, that they are no more erudite than a five-year old’s “You are still a bed-wetter, na na nana na!”.

            • I would like to know the distribution of government funding for schools and students in Muslim as compared to Jewish communities in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, the Emirates, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, etc.
              Oh, wait…there are no longer any Jewish communities in those countries, are there? And hardly any Jews. I wonder how that happened.
              Sencar & Co., see the beam in your own eyes before criticizing the mote in your neighbors’.

        • The problem is your disingenuous and mendacious attempt to depict government spending according to an agenda of deliberate ethnic discrimination. There is no ethnically diverse country in the world that has egalitarian government spending among racial groups. Given the highly unlikely probability that you post similar politically-motivated tripe on other blogs that focus on particular nationalities, your reasons for posting are only to advance your mendacious agenda.

        • There are vast gaps in social-program funding between African-American and white communities in the US…and? As is typical for you, you rely on distortion to try to advance your agenda. That is not a regular article in Ha’artez it is an editorial i.e., an opinion piece. As is typical for editorials, the writer only provides information that will support his/her overall theme. You once again are looking for your mendacious angles to demonize.

    • i was and i sow a lot of vilas and lands-that i can only dream on.did you saw wat they learn in thos schools?to hate Jews-and you think they desearv a Nobel price?i dont think so

    • According to a 2009 study, although some 14% of the population live in Arab municipalities, only 2% of national municipal taxes were collected there, and they also received 38% of revenue support grants. In 2013, Arab municipalities received 1.6 billion NIS as opposed to 1.6 billion for Jewish municipalities. The same is true of budget transfers in the Education Ministry: in 2009, Arab municipalities received 1,169 NIS per student, while Jewish municipalities received half: 558 NIS.

      The main reason for the poor situation of Arab municipalities is gross mismanagement deriving from the politics of extended families and the lack of a proper administrative culture. 18 out of 25 of committees appointed by the government to take over faulty municipalities in 2005 were appointed over Arab municipalities, and almost all were due to “faulty budget management.”

      http://mida.org.il/2014/11/12/israeli-arab-grievance-industry/

  8. “I haven’t been to the moon – but I believe the testimony of respected astronauts that have” – Sencar – stupid statement nominee of January 2015.

    Sencar , in all sincerity , you are invited to look at the issue in more detail and with a broader reading and factual data base than you currently use or trust . You will see that its not about radical contrasts but rather shades . Get off the bandwagon of hate and ignorance and if you wish then join a serious discussion where we can quote facts or stats . But mate , you got to cross the bridge in your mind first and suspend your prejudice and motivations if you wish to seek truth . Its a big ask for you , But clearly you have an interest in the subject and you have started on your journey of knowledge .

  9. Thanks for the info about Karen Buck. I was thinking of voting UKIP, but now I’ll vote Conservative as its the best chance of getting Buck kicked out.

  10. Sencar, as was already told you the Israeli government pays the Arabs schools the same amount of money as it pays the Jewish schools. Now go away, all the way back to your liars village.

  11. Well, many extremists do not like their opinion questioned or challenged. So yes, you were “his enemy” for challenging him.