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Another journo accuses British Jews who fear antisemitism of being ‘ungrateful’


Yesterday, we posted about a Guardian op-ed by David Conn on Jan. 20th which accused British Jews who, in his view, express unwarranted alarm about the threat of antisemitism in the UK of being “ungrateful” to their country.

It turns out that, on the very same day, a similar charge was leveled by another British Jew, journalist Matthew Norman.

Matthew Norman

Matthew Norman

Writing in The Independent, Norman first notes the putative dearth of any fatal antisemitic attacks in the country.

And so it is with the greatest reluctance – it feels like sacrilege, in fact – that I tempt fate by pointing out that no Jewish person has been killed in Britain in an anti-semitic attack since … well, my possibly flawed internet researches find no fatality on record at all.

Norman’s internet research was indeed flawed. In 2008, a Manchester Jew was fatally stabbed by a man who later told police that he “needed to kill a Jewish person”.  CST characterized the attack as antisemitic.

Then, after acknowledging the possibility that violent and even fatal antisemitic attacks may occur sometime in the future, Norman pivots to the topic of ‘alarmist Jews’:

Efforts can be redoubled, retripled and requadrupled, and some people will still hate Jews, as some always have and always will. This is an unalterable fact of life with which we must live.

The important questions, always, are who those people are and what power to indulge their hatred they have. The answers, in Britain, are that they are the malevolent imbeciles who infect online message threads with their semi-literate poison, and who use Israeli brutality as cover for a more primitive loathing, plus that minute proportion of fanatics who seek to glorify their faith by slaughtering innocents.

Their power, respectively, is to disgust, to alarm and to commit occasional acts of terrible violence. It is not to pose an existential threat to British Jewry, or even to plant a seed that could grow into such a menace. To imagine otherwise is more than paranoia. It is, unwittingly, a distasteful slur against this country.

So, those who don’t share Norman’s nonchalant attitude about the threat to British Jews posed by antisemitism are not only wrong, but evidently guilty of smearing Britain.

Norman finishes with this:

Spiteful things – amplified into shrieks like all spitefulness by social networks – will be murmured about Jews. Swastikas will be daubed on graves, hateful assaults will be made, and there may, God forbid, be murderous attacks. These are matters of policing. More casual antisemitism will ebb and flow along with events in Gaza and the West Bank. That is a matter of decency. But the British state will continue, as it has for so long, to cherish its Jews, protect them as best it can, and allow them every opportunity to rise to the pinnacle of every profession. That is a matter of fact, and to conflate a surge in individual viciousness with an existential threat is to degrade a country which deserves more gratitude and trust than that.

As we noted in our previous post, it’s one thing to criticize what’s perceived to be exaggerated rhetoric about antisemitism, and quite another to deride the fears of a tiny Jewish minority and suggest that they’re “ungrateful” to their own country.

What Jewish Britons are reacting to is a resurgent antisemitism, an increased threat of Jihadist violence throughout the continent and the sight of Jews fleeing previously safe European capitals. Many are no doubt concerned that – despite the best efforts of British law enforcement and counter-terrorism agencies – London may be next.

2014 survey of European Jews by the Fundamental Rights Agency

2014 survey of European Jews by the Fundamental Rights Agency. This question gauges Jews’ perceptions of the level of antisemitism, per country, over the past five years

It’s difficult to understand how Norman can so egregiously mischaracterize the attitudes of British Jews. They are not expressing contempt for their country. They are expressing a historically informed fear of antisemites.

78 replies »

  1. These house Jews cannot prevent the eventual exodus of European Jewry who will inevitably vote with their feet. Europe’s loss.

  2. Just another low-IQ village idiot. Note the swipe at “Israeli brutality”.
    It certainly puts paid to the notion that all Jews are intelligent. Maybe it’s some germ in the air-conditioning systems of newspaper buildings that renders their occupants such imbeciles.

  3. Sadly, this is not at all surprising. Look at the two sorry excuses for newspapers that published these op-eds. Where one leads, the other inevitably follows. I wonder if we could persuade the editor of one of them to jump over a cliff. It might be almost as good as Orange’s Two For One Wednesdays.

  4. I wonder why it is that invariably the most anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist Jews are also the very ugliest, the ones who were seemingly made with the very worst stereotypical caricatures of Jews in mind? I’m thinking of individuals like Gerald Kaufman, Miriam Margolyes, Mira Bar-Hillel, and, of course, Matthew Norman.

    Perhaps it’s just that G-d (or the Devil) has an excellent sense of humour. Or maybe they are simply attempting to run away from an unfortunately ugly reality with which they have been marked so prominently and (barring the intervention of a top-notch plastic surgeon) for a lifetime.

    • ‘James’ who knows whether the GMP recorded the murder as racially motivated or not.
      But when, and I quote from a report in the Manchester Evening News*, “he told police that he felt he needed ‘to kill a Jewish person’, ”
      Even if he clearly was suffering from mental illness, he identified his own ‘need’ as killing a Jewish person.
      To normal people that is definitely ‘racially motivated’, but I strongly suspect that anyone who can use the term “This Manchester Jew” to describe an innocent victim of a murderous attack, a victim who was a husband and a Father to children, is not normal.

      *http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/violent-attack-violinist-michael-kahan-6531414

      • I think you are being a little harsh on James. I believe he is genuinely asking whether the police recorded the murder as being racially motivated – ie is it officially so, or simply the opinion of CST.

        As for the term ‘This Manchester Jew’; it is very close to the term Adam (‘In 2008, a “Manchester Jew”‘) uses in his report and James reuses it, albeit awkwardly, in his question. The term does not properly reflect the tragedy of this terrible incident.

        • It`s certainly a great difference when a Jew writes “a Manchester Jew” and an Antisemite like you writes “this Manchester Jew”.
          And of course it was not racially motivated, but by Antisemitism, just like your contribution.

        • “I think you are being a little harsh on James”
          Not in the slightest.
          I am never harsh with anyone, even with an anti-Semitic, scum-sucking piece of septic pus like ‘James’

          “I believe he is genuinely asking whether the police recorded the murder as being racially motivated – ie is it officially so, or simply the opinion of CST”
          If you believe that, please send me your Bank Account No., Sort Code, and any security pin no. needed, as I know a Nigerian General who wants to transfer some funds into your account.

            • “At last the mothership has landed”

              Indeed ‘Dinkle’, the mothership landed in a quest to find signs of intelligent life on Earth. Sadly, the Green Lizards on board, read the posts by He/She/It ‘Tamara’ and ‘James’ and the rest of their ilk, decided there was no sign of intelligent life in their posts so they took off again rapidly, laughing.

        • I believe he is genuinely asking whether the police recorded the murder as being racially motivated – ie is it officially so, or simply the opinion of CST.

          And you’re saying it was not racially motivated?

          • I’m not sure what motivation one can ascribe to a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. I have had some experience in dealing with a sufferer. There is simply no logic to their motivations or sense of reality. Having said that I’m not familiar with this case except he did say he needed to kill Jews so some part of his reality had this motivation.

            [Standing by for more attacks and being called antisemitic]

            • I have had some experience too, and it’s absurd to claim that “There is simply no logic to their motivations or sense of reality” – there is a whole spectrum of logic and sense of reality, from only just slightly impaired through very tenuous to non-existent (as far as our judgement goes). So while not calling you antisemitic – aww, poor baby, you were so looking forward to that so you could play the victim and the martyr – I am calling into doubt your understanding of this condition/disorder.

              • I should have been more specific; with the sufferer I knew, there was little logic to their sense of reality or motivations during their acute episodes. There is indeed a wide spectrum as you say.

                PS it is nice not to be called antisemitic for a change

            • Dinkle:
              “There is simply no logic to their motivations or sense of reality.”
              You just summerised every AntiSemite.
              So what you are saying is that racism or Antisemitism is an illogical act or fear it is not a hate crime but a mentaly diminished act.
              Your attempt to try and legitimize or defend the indefensible is admirable though not in a good sense.

      • Answer the question: was it a racially motivated crime, as reported by the police?

        Yes or no.

        It’s not hard to find out, not for real journalists like yourselves *snigger snigger* 😉

                • Working-class gentiles on the dole often go in for a little Jew-bating. That and the drink and reality TV helps them pass the time.

                • You lazy sods.

                  Turns out that the gentleman, a Mr Kahan, was killed by a recently released schizophrenic from a psychiatric hospital.

                  Antisemitic my arse, you bunch of web crawling idiots. So, Adam’s point disproved.

                  Next.

                • ‘James’ what a pity you are unable to read, or are you really that stupid?

                  Which part of “he told police that he felt he needed ‘to kill a Jewish person’, ” do you fail to understand as being anti-Semitic?

                • He/She/It ‘Tamara’
                  “You got ‘em: zero Jews killed,”
                  What you believe is of as little importance as your continued existence on this planet.

                  But by denying these murders, that have happened beyond any shadow of doubt, you not only again exhibit your incredible stupidity and inability to accept the truth when it is inconvenient to you, what is far worse is that by denying the facts of these murders you insult the memories of the victims and their families and friends.

                  Now be a good retard and run along and play with your balloon on a stick, if you can manage it without falling flat on your face again.

                • ‘James,’ the pedantic one, can’t understand how a mentally unbalanced person could possibly be antisemitic. Quite revealing. ‘Lady Tamara’ rushes in to congratulate him for it. The truth is that the three of them could (and should) be sharing space in the same rubber room.

                • “zero Jews killed, so entire point of story negated” – the stupidity and illiteracy and bigotry of these two sixty-nining imbeciles, are out of this world. And they can’t even see what arses they make of themselves every single time they spew their garbage.

        • “Answer the question: was it a racially motivated crime, as reported by the police?”

          ‘James’ you have answered your own question.
          Or are you too stupid to read and comprehend your own sentences?

    • I guess you are still handing out the chocolates James . Just like your Palestinian friends when they kill or injure Jews .
      #stormfront

  5. Matthew Norman: “they are the malevolent imbeciles who infect online message threads with their semi-literate poison”.

    That sums up the middle-class parochial snobbery at the heart of the Guardian and Independent. British Jews’ concern is that anti-Semitism has infected mainstream discourse and is not the preserve of white working-class fascists. In fact it is incubated and promoted on university campuses and by elements of the liberal-left establishment, including the same newspapers from where Norman has developed his complacent and condescending view of British Jews as a privileged elite who moan too much. Perhaps he should be appointed to the British Board of Deputies? They certainly know how not to rock the boat.

  6. “Efforts can be redoubled, retripled and requadrupled, and some people will still hate Jews, as some always have and always will. This is an unalterable fact of life with which we must live.”

    Then why blame people for noticing it?

      • It was a rhetorical question, of course.
        Here’s another: Why blame people for not wanting to stand for it?
        I’m sure that British Jews are quite grateful for all the freedoms they are afforded as British citizens. Does that mean they can’t complain about the rising tide of antisemitism they see happening in their own country? Calling them ungrateful is such a red herring.
        Saying that Jews complain too much and are ungrateful is defamation of Jews as a collective. It’s antisemitic.
        Mr. Norman seems to have a rather cavalier attitude towards prejudice against Jews. Some of us believe that all discriminatory attitudes towards Jews, because they are Jews, are completely unacceptable, and contrary to Mr. Norman’s belief (known here as denial) antisemitism is top down.
        Mr. Norman, keep an eye on your dinner party guests.

  7. Although I always think that comparisons with the Nazi period should not be made, I’ll be a devil and brush past one anyway.
    So here I go go but by the grace of G-d.
    Many German Jews stayed in Germany after 1938 until it was too late, precisely because they simply could not imagine what was going to happen. We have this in writing by very intelligent people who ended up in cattle trains going east or made it out by the skin of their teeth. Or walked away from Birkenau.
    When Leftist dumb Jews begin to trivialize the plain antisemitism in the UK, and elsewhere we can see that just as many other people across the world they learned fuck all from the Shoa.

    It is only a matter of time before another attack happens in the EU.

    Here is an Israeli analysis of how the French blew it,
    http://www.israeldefense.com/?CategoryID=483&ArticleID=3302

    The German Interior Ministry works under the assumption that up to 80.000 Muslims are prepared to use violence in Germany. Needles to write, no democracy can watch that many nutters. Thanks to Snowden and c**ts like Greenwald and Assange the task is all the more difficult.

    Think of me when UK Muslim’s murder Uk Jew’s.

    • ” I always think that comparisons with the Nazi period should not be made”
      – why? I am sure there were smug Jewish scribblers in Germany who pooh-poohed the idea that the Nazis were a serious danger to Jews.
      They had far more reason to say so than this sad specimen in 2015.

        • Yeah, this guy is somethin’ else.
          The kicker being he thinks he knows what is going down. It’s like a supersized Big Mac Meal + a large milk shake.

      • why don’t go back to watching Blue Peter or something.
        Your level of comprehension is on par with an illiterate Egyptian without an internet connection.

        • Oh dear – yet another fuckwit reject from YouTube who does not have the mental capacity to even recognise a question, let alone answer one.

  8. The Jew’s are leaving the EU as we speak. So in a way this discussion is futile and Norman’s words are empty.

    • Really? Do I need to hide my kids’ passports so they won’t vanish?
      Just panic headlines by lazy journalists.
      Hardly anyone is fleeing.
      Even the French who choose to leave are heading either to the UK (still in EU) or to the states because they claim there’s hardly any work in Israel.

      I think you are mistaken but only time will tell.

      • check out French aliyah numbers. Turkish Jews leaving ( ok, non EU ). Swedes, Greeks, Italians…..it is happening dude. Just hang out in Tel Aviv and see who you meet around town. I bit of an eye opener.
        Los Angeles, Montreal, Miami…….
        I have Israeli friends in N3 with three kids, she just wants to get out, but he does not want to leave.

        • Dani.
          Most French move to Ashdod and Natanya and not TA.
          The numbers are few thousands annualy.
          Did you compare that with how many are migrating out of Israel, into the EU?
          Germany had a fair amount of Israelis migrated into recently.

          You might be right that there is a small spike but this will revert back.

          • Well yes. Because Tel has the Greeks, Germans, Swedes, Dutch, Turks. I have two French friends there.
            There were 7000 French last year. I think, knowing some Israeli’s in Berlin many have a leg still in Israel. They are first and foremost economical “refugees” who are the victims of Bibi’s brutal capitalism. They are also the victims of a silly Tel housing market.
            Most I think would return to Tel tomorrow if they had a well paying job and knew they could have a dignified life in Israel. One architect friend works in Berlin and Israel, living now back in Tel. After trying Paris & Berlin. Having said that. Barcelona is also supposed to have many Israelis, where I am now. I also met an Israeli in the country side in Malaga province last year. I think he left because something very unpleasant happened to him in the IDF. Yet he flies back four to five time a year for Israeli holidays and mother. Nice guy.

            • Dani,
              “Yet he flies back four to five time a year for Israeli holidays and mother. ”
              As do I and my kids.
              I can tell you that in our community the Israelis keeps turning up.
              There’s more of them every year.
              Most go to Israel every year to visit the family which is what’s been happenig since the 60’s.
              H’agiga BaSnooker…

          • One more thing.
            I think the greatest factor’s in my mind driving emigration are Bibi’s market doing’s and the wider bureaucratic malaise which hinder economic growth. Their needs to be a general overhaul of all things administrative in Israel. Israel is trying to compete on the global market with an Italian style bureaucracy. This may not be done good Sir.. IMHO.
            For further reading I recommend wwww.globes.co.il on how jobs are destroyed.

      • I thought you’ve been hanging out here for a while now, so I am unsure how to construe your strange choice of phrase (welcomes … yet another).

        • Unsure how to construe it? Errr, not very bright are you, dear? He’s saying that this site is full of bigots. And I’m saying that you’re one of the worst ones, you thick-as-shit juvenile bum truffler.

  9. If you want me to show gratitude in abundance , then get me a job as editor in chief of the Independent 🙂

  10. “no Jewish person has been killed in Britain in an anti-semitic attack since … well, my possibly flawed internet researches find no fatality on record at all.”

    Perhaps his missus has put a safesearch-like lock on his Internet searches without him knowing – for good reason.

  11. Mr Norman:
    “…by pointing out that no Jewish person has been killed in Britain in an anti-semitic attack since … well, my possibly flawed internet researches find no fatality on record at all.”

    Where shall we start?
    Clifford’s tower?
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/centuries-later-york-comes-to-terms-with-the-worst-anti-semitic-attack-in-britain-1.418904#!

    Or maybe the expulsion order from 1290 by Edward I?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

    Yet regardless of Cromwell business requirements that needed the Jews the expulsion order was never formally removed.

    “In 1684, it was contended by the East India Company that they were alien infidels, and perpetual enemies to the English crown. Even the Attorney-General declared that they resided in England only under an implied licence. As a matter of fact, the majority of them were still aliens and liable to all the disabilities that condition carried with it.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettlement_of_the_Jews_in_England

    But I’m fairly certain that Mr Norman probably meant more recent dead Jews.
    Well, though not technically meant to attack Jews alone the 7/7 bombings were carried out with a clear notion that if a Jew happened to die in those attacks it is viewed as a “bonus” to the Islamists murderers.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/31187/77-victims-family-waited-four-days-death-confirmation

    I believe out of the 52 dead at least 3 were Jews.

    The point is that Jews die when Islamists and Facists of all sort riot, regardless of what Mr Norman feels about it.

  12. Mr Norman:
    “That is a matter of fact, and to conflate a surge in individual viciousness with an existential threat is to degrade a country which deserves more gratitude and trust than that.”

    It will deserve more gratitude when the royal family formally visit Jerusalem and the Knesset!
    But Alas….

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