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Former British diplomat: Israel should dismantle its security fence for peace


Cross posted from Richard Millett’s Blog

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Sir Vincent Fean

Last Tuesday I attended yet another anti-Israel event at the London Middle East Institute based at SOAS. The last LMEI event I attended beautified Hizbollah. And last Tuesday I had another anti-Jewish insult hurled at me, to add to the long list, for merely asking a question during a Q&A.

The guest speaker last Tuesday was retired British Diplomat Sir Vincent Fean, a man who has served as a diplomat in Paris, Brussels, Libya, Damascus, Baghdad and amongst the Palestinians.  Fean said he wanted to “speak about how peace could come about in the Holy Land” and he said that he believed in “the two state solution”.

However, after his 40 minute talk I realised that Fean did not believe in Israel’s safety or its existence at all. He wanted Israel emasculated and indefensible.

Fean demanded that the “settlements” be disbanded and called the “illegal settlement enterprise” the “single most significant threat to the two state solution”.

As proof of “illegality” he invoked the Geneva Convention claiming that Israel gives inducements for Israelis to move to the West Bank. That is hardly “transfer” but it is enough for the likes of Fean to conclude that Israel is committing a breach of international law.

Fean called for Israel to dismantle its security fence, for Israel’s forces to be withdrawn from “Palestinian soil” and for Egypt to open the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza.

After all that he had the gall to say that Israel has the right to defend itself. He said Israel could rely for its security on the UN, USA, NATO, Egypt and Jordan and that Israel “will not find them wanting”. If Fean thinks the UN, let alone Egypt and Jordan, will defend Israel then he’s delusional.

Fean made only a passing reference to Palestinian “incitement to violence” so during the Q&A I asked why he hadn’t mentioned Hamas’ firing of thousands of rockets into Israel and their Charter that calls for the murder of Jews everywhere which included those four Jewish men recently murdered at a kosher shop in Paris.

That was met by an audible collective moan from the LMEI audience after which a white British middle-aged man turned around and asked me “Are you a fifth columnist or something?”

Meanwhile, Fean only answered that he “was not here to recognise Hamas”.

But Fean left the most vicious part of his rhetoric for the finale.

Fean has been very-well fed on Arab hospitality and very well remunerated by the British taxpayer. However, when he addressed the upcoming British general election he told the LMEI audience to confront their MPs about recognition of “Palestine” as a state and “tell them that your vote depends on it”.

So for Fean struggling British taxpayers who have paid his salary and now fund his pension are of no consequence. He’s more concerned about events thousands of miles away from home.

Fean has been knighted, which is an indictment of the British honours system.

Why the “Sir”? He has been a diplomat in Paris and Brussels where Jews are now regular targets for the bullets and knives of Islamist terrorists. And in Libya, Baghdad and Damascus he has left behind bloodshed on a monumental scale.

And he now thinks people should trust his views on how to bring about an Israeli-Palestinian peace?

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  1. We live in evil times to be sure when evil men who have no moral compass get promoted beyond their incompetence and wilful ignorance. Of course the fact is they play to the Caliphate in waiting and their agendas and thus they rapidly move up the greasy pole. Their influence corrupts more and more sheeple. Your atrticle is informative and spot on, agree with everything you say. Today our media, intelligentsia and political elites would bow down to Hitler and his cronies, in fact they do it to Hitler’s heirs aka Fatah, Hamas (Haman), etc….

  2. Fean demanded that the “settlements” be disbanded and called the “illegal settlement enterprise” the “single most significant threat to the two state solution”.
    But of course… the most significant threat.. and this has nothing to do with it: …84.4 percent of Palestinians, 5,142 of the 6,090 interviewed, believed that the attacks [in Paris] were “suspicious, and that Israel may be behind it.
    And of course he is correct regarding the security fence – dismantling it certainly would bring peace – the peace of the graveyard.
    Not surprising that the UK is losing its past role in world politics if its leading diplomats are bigotted ignorant idiots like this “Sir”.

  3. I wonder if Mr Fean (or is that Bean?) will be as vociferous in demanding that Saudi Arabia pull down their apartheid wall?

    • Please desist from asking questions about any other walls. The only one we’re interested in is the one in Israel. That’s the only one where innocent terrorists and bombers (sorry, civilians) are inhibited from living a normal life any murdering children. Anything which interferes with their ability to do so is a breach of their human rights, punishable by terror attacks and more bombing.

  4. no surprise . A pro arabist ex FO diplomat wearing a kefiyah speaking at a pro Palestine meeting at SOAS. Meh, he was preaching to those who already believed that crap.
    Respect to Mr Millett for being called a ‘5th columnist’ or even better a ‘something ‘ very Enid Blyton .

  5. “He said Israel could rely for its security on the UN, USA, NATO, Egypt and Jordan” – the FCO really do recruit their ‘diplomats’ from the nether reaches of the low-IQ barrel. Does this slug actually think that the Jews are stupid enough to buy this idiocy?

    • Yes, he clearly doesn’t get the fact that Jews have stopped relying on others for our security, as we were forced to do for centuries. It didn’t really work out that well for us.

      Perhaps he ought to explain this myth about protection from these wonderful bodies to the Jews of Malmo, say, where non-Jewish reporters who pretended to be Jewish saw just how much protection the “authorities” and “international law” provide, or to the Jews of Brussells, Paris, Toulouse, Argentina etc etc where they have been murdered for the very fact of daring to be alive and Jewish.

      This is precisely why we (and I do include Jews who have not (yet) made the decision to live there) need a strong and Jewish Israel. In the end, it is the ONLY entity, whether national or international, that Jews can rely on.

    • He must be doing something very wrong (or very right) if he’s being kicked by both Zionists and Palestinians simultaneously.

      • Even your kind of Jew-hating asshole should realize that Fean was kicked exclusively by Palestinians and not by Zionists. Kicking diplomats is their and their Western supporters’ habit only. Anyway they attacked him not for his own worldview but for being a Brit. I’m not saying to you that before demonstrating your stupidity and ignorance first learn the relevant facts – it would be in vain.

        • I was playing with the word ‘Kick’. It means to be physically kicked (as he was by the Palestinian protesters) and can also mean to get a verbal assault. Fean is getting a kicking in here, by Zionists.

          Sorry if it was a bit obtuse for you, but perhaps Hungarian is your mother tongue.

          • Mr Obtuse you shouldn’t concentrate on my mother tongue but on the fact that this moron of the British diplomatic corps(e) in Ramallah was not insulted due his opinion but because he was a Brit and has been “kicked” by the “Zionists” due to his unbelievable show of being a first class bigoted idiot..

          • “Sorry if it was a bit obtuse for you” – that is not even correct Englsh. Perhaps you should concentrate on improving what I suppose you claim to be your mother-tongue.

            • It is correct. But really Leah, do you really have to resort to a grammar flame? I won’t even laugh at your misspelling….

              • No, it isn’t. A person can be obtuse, a statement only obscure or elliptical etc.
                My misspelling was due to my poor eyesight, as you know full well, you sick creep.

                • Lovely. So he can call me ” a Jew-hating asshole” or that I’m stupid or that I’m ignorant. You can call me a sick creep. or a whining creep bigot. But if I tweak his nose with a mild rebuke over his understanding of ‘kicking’…..? Gotcha – keen sense of proportion you got there Leah.

                • Here you wish proportionality, Antisemite, but when equating insults, according to you expressed by Zionists here, with physical threats by a Palestinian mob you lack any sense of proportionality. Quite typical for Antisemites, your dissimulation.

                • @Fritz . We’ve already seen your complete lack of understating of sarcasm. Now we see your total lack of any sense of humor. Congratulations – you are a rare breed of autistic humorless bigot.

                • No question that Antisemites appreciate your cynical kind of humor when you equate Jews here to a Palestinian mob.
                  What we really miss is this special humor of Antisemites – and that, low-life, is sarcasm.

        • Just a question @ peterthehungarian/Fritz

          I’ve asked you both before, sadly to no avail.
          Could you please explain on what grounds you call Dinkle a Jew hater?
          I might have missed something.

      • ‘Dinkle’ I agree with your first option, i.e. “He must be doing something very wrong”
        Wrong in that he denies Israel and its people the right to protect themselves from terrorist attack, and wrong again in thinking that he will be congratulated by the terrorists and their supporters he is attempting to appease with his biased, and wrong, statements about Israel and its security.

        Clearly he has forgotten the quote from Sir Winston Churchill about ‘appeasers’.
        “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

  6. He said Israel could rely for its security on the UN, USA, NATO, Egypt and Jordan . Hearing this kind of amazing stupidity from a leading British diplomat is simply unbelievable. The only occasion when someone protected the other was the opposite: the IDF saved the sorry ass of the UNDOF operett soldiers on the Golan last year. Israelis remember when the UN protected them against Nasser in 1967…

    • Peter, as sad as it is if you fast forward to 1973 you’d find the Red Cross did better than the UN of 6 years earlier.
      God only knows what would have happened if the Israelis in the Sinai surrendered earlier.
      They would have been executed without a doubt by the Egyptians.

  7. Vincent Fean, the wall is to separate the Barbarians Israel is dealing with

    http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=13698
    Abbas’ terror-hypocrisy continues – Fatah praises killers of 8
    by Nan Jacques Zilberdik
    Jan. 18, 2015

    Murder of 6 at bat-mitzvah celebration in 2002
    was “heroic operation”

    Killer of 2 was “brave lion” and “heroic Martyr”

    “Our Martyrs are torches on the path
    to victory and freedom”

    Palestinian Authority Chairman Abbas’ Fatah movement continues to glorify killers of Israelis as “heroes” and “Martyrs.”

    On Jan. 17, 2002, terrorist Abd Al-Salam Hassouna shot and killed 6 and wounded dozens at a bat-mitzvah celebration in Hadera. Anticipating the anniversary of this “heroic operation” and the killer’s “Martyrdom-death,” Fatah posted a photo of the murderer holding a rifle and praised him and other “Martyrs” as “torches on the path to victory and freedom”:

    “With an M16 he opened fire on many Zionists, killed 9 and injured dozens, until his rifle jammed. Our Martyrs are torches on the path to victory and freedom.”
    [Facebook, “Fatah – the Main Page,” Jan. 15, 2015]

    This is yet another example of Abbas’ terror-hypocrisy, exposed by Palestinian Media Watch. Last week, PMW reported that while Abbas condemned the killings of civilians in Paris, his Fatah movement glorified 5 terrorists who killed 10 Israelis and terrorist Dalal Mughrabi who led the killing of 37 civilians.

    Fatah also glorified another terrorist who shot and killed 2
    and wounded dozens on Jan. 22, 2002. Abbas’ movement uploaded a poster of terrorist Sa’id Ibrahim Ramadan (possibly from
    2002), on which Fatah’s Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades expressed their “utmost pride” accompanying “the brave lion” in his wedding procession – a reference to the Islamic belief that the “Martyr” marries 72 virgins in Heaven:

    “With the utmost pride the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades escort [in his wedding procession] the brave lion, the Martyrdom-seeker The heroic Martyr (Shahid) Sa’id Ibrahim Ramadan who carried out the heroic operation in Jerusalem on Tuesday Jan. 22, 2002. You made a promise and you kept it, and we are committed to you.”
    [Facebook, “Fatah – the Main Page,” Jan. 15, 2015]

    Click to see more examples of PA and Fatah’s glorification of terrorists as role models.

    The following are the full texts of Fatah’s Facebook posts glorifying the two killers from 2002:

    “The first to respond to the assassination of Raed Al-Karmi:
    Martyrdom-seeker Abd Al-Salam Hassouna, who carried out the heroic operation (i.e., terror attack) on Jan. 18, 2002 (sic, it was on Jan. 17, 2002 -Ed.) in Hadera, in response to the assassination of Raed Al-Karmi. With an M16 he opened fire on many Zionists, killed 9 and injured dozens, until his rifle jammed.
    Our Martyrs are torches on the path to victory and freedom.”
    [Facebook, “Fatah – the Main Page,” Jan. 15, 2015]

    Abd Al-Salam Hassouna – terrorist from Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades (Fatah’s military wing) who shot and killed 6 and wounded dozens at a Bat-mitzvah celebration in Hadera (Jan. 17, 2002). Hassouna was shot to death by Israeli police arriving at the scene.

    Raed Al-Karmi – was a senior Tanzim (Fatah terror faction) operative and responsible for the murder of nine Israelis in several attacks: Etgar Zeituni and Motti Dayan on Jan. 23, 2001; Zvi Shelef on May 31, 2001; Danny Yehuda on June 18, 2001; Elie Na’aman on July 4, 2001; Dov Roseman on Aug. 26, 2001; Hananya Ben Avraham on Oct. 5, 2001; soldier Yaniv Levy on Aug. 28, 2001 and Israeli army officer Erez Merhavi on Sept. 6, 2001. Al-Karmi was killed by the Israeli army on Jan. 14, 2002.

    Text on photo: “In the name of Allah the merciful and compassionate:
    ‘Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people’ [Quran, Sura 9, verse 14, translation Sahih International]

    With the utmost pride the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades escort [in his wedding procession] the brave lion, the Martyrdom-seeker
    The heroic Martyr (Shahid)
    Sa’id Ibrahim Ramadan
    who carried out the heroic operation in Jerusalem on Tuesday Jan. 22, 2002. You made a promise and you kept it, and we are committed to you.”

    Posted text: “The earth-shattering second response by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades to the assassination of Raed Al-Karmi was not long in coming: The heroic operation in Jerusalem on Jan. 22, 2002, which was carried out by the Martyrdom-seeker Sa’id Ramadan. May you rest in Paradise, Martyr.”
    [Facebook, “Fatah – the Main Page,” Jan. 15, 2015]

    Sa’id Ramadan – terrorist from Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades (Fatah’s military wing) who shot and killed 2 (Sara Hamburger, 78, and Ora Sandler, 55) on Jaffa Street in Jerusalem and wounded dozens (Jan. 22, 2002). Ramadan was shot to death by Israeli police arriving at the scene.

  8. peterthehungarian, you say,
    84.4 percent of Palestinians, 5,142 of the 6,090 interviewed, believed that the attacks [in Paris] were “suspicious, and that Israel may be behind it.

    Do you have a link to that story?

  9. This single, most present threat to life on this Earth as we know it are spoiled Western assholes like Sir Fean, who decided long ago the best way to peace on this planet is to encourage the multitude of unintelligent dipshits that the Jews, and by extension Israel, make their lives miserable.

    Maybe Sir Fean should have a pizza blow up in his face. Lord knows the rat poison laced ball bearings and nails could only HELP that zit-pocked mug. Talk about a Tool.

      • Say, James, how did that 5000 year old Temple end up underneath the 700 year old mosque?

        Since you want to talk about stolen land and all.

        Also, I live in Texas, Fuckface. In the Black of town. Mind telling me who has the right to murder me and take over my house? The Blacks, Mexicans, or Native Americans?

        I sure do appreciate your insight. It’s always great to know what Fucking Ingrates have to say about Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

        • What “5000 year old Temple”? One built by the Sumerians?
          Just wondering. You were talking about “stolen land”?

          • We’re in year 2015. Some say the first Temple was built around 3000 BCE. I just added the two. Could be 4000 BCE or 1500 BCE, either way, The Jewish connection to Israel is multiples when compared to the terms of Islamic connection.

          • If the Sumerians pre-existing there before Israel matter (and I’m sure they to, to somebody, somewhere) then why haven’t we heard from them? Are they currently exiled from the land? And if the Palestinians are direct descendents of them, then why haven’t they begun until very recently to complain about Sumerian rights? Speaking of which, there must be a Sumerian language and calendar, et al.

            Realize, I don’t speak of Stolen Land. Most people who do speak of it have nothing else going on. Native Americans don’t consider me a Settler but rather a Fellow Traveler. In fact, it’s Texans who can’t stand me because I’m a Californian. Seriously… ’nuff said.

  10. Fean should dismantle his mouth in the name of noise reduction. This sonic pollutant likes his Jews dependent and begging. It’s a tradition.

  11. Is Anti-Semitism Widespread in the UK? We all remember that dogs-dinner of a ‘survey’, surely?

    So we’re all anti-Semites, eh? Not quite, according to some analysis by statisticians and radio broadcasters here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04yk0jf

    Their conclusion to this piss-poor joke of a survey of British attitudes to Jews was, simply put, that there is no statistical significance to this poorly conducted study (bias, poor methodology!) and no conclusions can be drawn. Well well well, who’d have thought?!

    But even better! It found that even accounting for the inherent bias (in ‘sympathy’ with the poor persecuted Jews of the UK) it STILL concluded that 89% of the British public hold generally non-antisemitic views! Imagine that!!?

    I bet 9 out of 10 cock-chuggers on here will disagree though!

    Especially that grammar-pedant Leah. Chug-chug, eh? 😉

  12. I would like to point out to Vincent Fean that his knowledge of the region he was prattling about is far from .satisfactory.

    “”He said Israel could rely for its security on the UN, USA, NATO, Egypt and Jordan and that Israel “will not find them wanting”.””

    Just a few short months ago UNDOF – the UN ‘peacekeepers’ were in serious trouble on the border of Israel, chased by both Hezbullah and Al Nusrah. Of all the forces mentioned not one came to their aid. It was Israel that rescued them in fact.

    He should brush up on background before he ventures out in public again, a rooted prejudice against Israel is not sufficient hedge against making a fool of himself..

  13. PetertheHungarian thanks so much for the link.
    Here’s the best response to 84.4 percent of Palestinians thinking Israel was behind the Paris attacks.

    Sima Gelnik
    When I read articles like this I realize we can never have real peace with these morons. They’re like rock people from some Stone Age fantasy. What assholes. The “Arab Street” needs special education and little yellow buses to carry them

    • Ken “Arabs back to Arabia!” Kelso still posting here?

      Do the site a favour and rid it of your sorry bigoted excuse for a presence.

      • Leah, do you not think that the British should judge themselves by the standards that they judge others? James is an example of a lack of integrity.

          • The same standard applies to everyone. The British forcibly removed Argentines from the Malvinas. That’s the point. There are over half a million people in Judea and Samaria who want to be Israeli.

            • The British forcibly removed Argentines from the Malvinas.

              While I personally have no problem with the Malvinas being transferred to Argentinian sovereignty – the above comment is complete bullshit.

              • Pretz, loads of Argie Bargie sea gulls fled to main land Argieland as soon as they saw the first Union Jack …
                That’s the only sense I can make from Michael’s comment… 🙂

                  • I assume that was directed at me. If you want to call my post “ignorant” then we can have a discussion as you imply that I am missing information. I was also looking for the information that I remember by anecdote on the meteorologists and their families that the British expelled after the war, but I couldn’t find it.
                    How is it racist? Did I generalize about British anywhere? If you take my sarcastic comment on morality, that is not racist. It is commentary on the comments that are posted by many Brits and their government.

                • “Morality obviously only exists for the British to dictate to others” – that is a racist statement about the British. If you can’t see it, then you really need a crash course in elementary thinking.

                  Pretzelberg, as usual, is spouting bilge, as I haven’t made any general derogatory statement about any race, nation or ethnicity. I fear he is far beyond the help of any such course.

  14. I look at the ‘conversations’ between people like Petethehungarian and Leah – and I despair. All this time wasted hurling mindless insults at each other. Why don’t you use your time and energy to complain to the Guardian, the BBC, the New York Times about their biased content, the inaccuracies in their reports and editorials and their general anti-Israel stance. We need to be fighting the enemy, not each other!!!

    • No idea what you are on about. Peter and I are in complete agreement on virtually every point, and I don’t recall hurling any insults at him.
      Who says I don’t complain to the BBC?
      Do try to focus your mind before attacking other people about imaginary misdeeds and failures.

      • Was I imagining Leah telling a “slimy creep” to “piss off”? Or did I miss something? Hostility solves absolutely nothing. Shouldn’t we be at least pretending like we’re part of the solution?

    • Seems to me you smoked a bit more than the ideal Bonnie. I never “hurled” anything at Leah.

    • No it isn’t. It is not racist or bigoted to make generalized comments about attitudes. If such were the case, then your comment about the population of the Malvinas/Falkands wanting to be British is racist as well.

      • You really are an idiot, aren’t you? The majority of the population has expressed its wishes democratically.
        You’ll tell us next that parliamentary democracy is racist.

        • Oh I’m an idiot. Just the same way that you are a sanctimonious, pompous b*****. Most Jews in Judea and Samaria have also expressed a desire to remain Israeli citizens. So, how is it that Judea and Samaria are “stolen” as James claims?

  15. That was met by an audible collective moan from the LMEI audience after which a white British middle-aged man turned around and asked me “Are you a fifth columnist or something?”

    I really do wish you’d taken a photo of the offender, in order to publicly shame him. Although I do appreciate, Richard, that you are under massive pressure (and that’s an understatement) at such events and have to focus on more important and immediate matters.

        • Ah, James good on you ! . You ARE one of those socialist worker types still believing in Lenin , hanging around University societies . what course are you studying ? do you wear a beret or kefiyah or both ? Donkey or leather jacket ? DM boots or converse trainers ?
          Just wait , young fella , till you get a girlfriend . Then your time and energies towards politics will dissipate . travel whilst you can . go see the world . Russia, Syria, Burma , Israel . Rwanda . You wont have time later .

        • No offense intended troll, but as both your side (poor thing that it is) and his side (accurate thing that it is) have recounted exactly what Mr. Millett has said on every occasion he’s said it, it’s only possible to conclude that the moron in the scenario you are describing is not Mr. Millett. Is it you? Unfortunately, the signs point to Yes.

  16. Fean (as an “opponent… who has a right to be heard”) made a point about the settlements being an obstacle. I cannot posit that they are obstacles to peace, but rather they are obstacles to justice and reconciliation.

  17. Let’s assume that Israel’s institutions and practices apropos the Disputed Territories were lily-white. Where does that leave us?

      • What kind of people? Maybe I don’t sound like a bunch of first graders in sore need of a nap so don’t fit into the level of discussion but I do live 15 kilometers from the border of Lebanon. Again, why the hostility?

        • Actually, you sound exactly like a first grader in sore need of a nap.
          “obstacles to justice and reconciliation” – or in the language of grown-ups, “Israel needs to commit suicide and consent to another Holocaust”.

              • Leah you must know that Itsik is posting from the most dangerous part of the world – from Wimbledon…

          • Justice and reconciliation vis a vis Israel itself. Today we’re shelling, maybe tomorrow we’ll be going down into the shelters. Just the military resources invested in the territories could be well used elsewhere, not to mention funds for infrastructure and education. Hizbullah threatens ground invasion and the IDF slashes training all the while guarding the Jewish population in the territories. I wish them well but it is a personal choice to live over the Green Line. The subsidized mortgage was attractive but I felt that it wouldn’t be fair to my daughter to put her into such a situation. You still haven’t answered my question, Leah. I feel it is important because if those of us who subscribe to cifwatch cannot be civil with one another how can we maintain any sort of constructive dialogue about something we feel so passionately about?

  18. BTW since when was the settlement project about protecting Israel from self destruction? How does one reason that settlements are preventing a holocaust? Good grief!

    • You are a brave person Ross. Questioning some of the policies of the state of Israel is not welcomed in these parts.

      • Yes, give yourself a medal, smug little man, since you also regularly ‘question the policies of the State of Israel’, which makes you a brave member of the revolutionary cadres. Tell me, isn’t that poster of Guevara on your bedroom wall getting just a little tatty? Perhaps that beret too that you wear on Friday night to impress the girls, should make its way to the charity shop.

        • disagree totally , sorry .
          It is welcome in these parts . Heinz – 57 flavours . However if you post , then expect to receive comment back . That is the point of an active thread .
          I even love Lady Tamara , whoever and wherever he is . He is a regular poster here and now part of the community . You little devil you ! .

  19. Ctrl-F “Leah”, copy, paste and voila: “take your ignorant racist crap and shove it you-know-where. little boy Piss off, imbecile you sick whining creepy bigot. you sick creep as usual, spouting bilge, I haven’t made any general derogatory statement about any race, nation or ethnicity. This slug You really are an idiot little man.” If this is what community is about LemonCurd you can have it.

  20. Leah, I never claimed to be perfect and if you can help me improve myself I’m all ears. One thing I do know is that I should be gentle with my fellowman no matter how imperfect he may be.