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Independent revises passage which got Netanyahu’s political party wrong


Jon Stone’s Feb. 7th article, ‘Barack Obama’s party lines up to snub Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on visit’, in The Independent included these passages:

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The prime minister is of course the head of Likud.  
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Mr. Stone, who previously worked for BuzzFeed and Politics Home, was evidently confused by the fact that Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu ran under a joint Knesset list in the 2013 Israeli elections. However, this was only a temporary electoral and parliamentary alliance consisting of two independent political parties with separate platforms.  

The Likud-Yisrael Beiteinu alliance ended in July 2014, and both parties became, once again, separate Knesset factions.

Shortly after this tweet – retweeted by many who aren’t blocked by the British journalist – the Indy revised the passage in question.

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This represents the second CiF Watch prompted correction to an article by Jon Stone in just over a month. In early January, editors at the Indy corrected a passage in which Stone claimed that Tel Aviv was the capital of Israel.

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  1. This is logical. A Zionist party must be right-wing. The understanding of Israel and Zionism by the so called “left-wing” UK media. The Independent took over the rethoric and language of the “anti-Zionists” of the good old Pravda. They don’t need write articles any more, they simply need a translator from Russian and recycle their Russian comrades’ archived stuff.

    • What I have found is that Europeans, even highly educated ones are utterly and completely ignorant not only about Zionism but also about all things Jewish. The lack of understanding is staggering. I know many many people who went to good schools often private schools. They all went on to university to receive B.A.’s,, M.A.’s and Phd’s. They read books, travel, enjoy theatre, nice car’s yada yada, yet there is fuck all there in their heads when it comes to Hebrew history. The extend of their “Jewish education” is ‘the ghetto’, ‘the holocaust’, Woody Allen and maybe a Jewish landlord who will be charging them ‘too much’.

      Were I to opiniate about Muslim’s or Islam the way many do about Jews or Zionism, I’d be called a racist.

      In the EU we learn much about European history, yet next to nothing about the Jewish contribution over the last 600 years. The Jew’s although having “always” been there, are simply not mentioned in schools. When you look at this, there is no surprise that cliches and stupidity abound even amongst people who I would place in the top 10% of the population.

      Ergo Journalists like Stone and Jon Snow ( sitting on a panel with Ilan Pape ) are no real surprise.
      Antisemitic dickheads like Jon Snow, who have been on TV for decades and have influenced an entire generation of viewers are to be expected. In that way, the US is years ahead of the UK, in that his behavior would lead to instant dismissal.

      Europeans like to make themselves feel superior to Americans, but in reality US journalistic standards are much higher than in the UK.

      • Dani:
        “but in reality US journalistic standards are much higher than in the UK.”

        I think journalists as a whole have been shallowing their professionin the last 20 years.

      • What I have found is that Europeans, even highly educated ones are utterly and completely ignorant not only about Zionism but also about all things Jewish.

        In which parallel universe is this, then?

        The extend of their “Jewish education” is ‘the ghetto’, ‘the holocaust’, Woody Allen and maybe a Jewish landlord who will be charging them ‘too much’.

        Your experience of Europeans seems limited to the likes of Hungary’s Jobbik party – and, yes, a tiny minority elsewhere.
        And strangely it certainly does not include any Jews. Perhaps you do not consider them to be Europeans – which is a line otherwise familiar from anti-Semites.

        Yours is a post rank with bigotry.

        • Your experience of Europeans seems limited to the likes of Hungary’s Jobbik party – and, yes, a tiny minority elsewhere.
          Our expert on European anti-semitism teaching the Jews about the subject demonstrating again his malevolent stupidity and ignorance.
          Let’s see this tiny minority in numbers in some European countries:
          Almost half of Britons hold antisemitic view, poll suggests
          Study: 41 percent of Swedes are prejudiced against Jews
          Survey in Spain 2012
          Jews have too much power in the business world – probably true more than 60%
          Jews are more loyal to Israel than to Spain – probably true more than 70% etc.
          According to a poll commissioned by the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 58.4% of Spaniards believe that “the Jews were powerful because they controlled the economy and the mass media. This number reached 62.2% among university students and 70.5% among those who are “interested in politics.” More than 60% of Spanish university students said they did not want Jewish classmates. In other polling data, more than one-third (34.6%) of Spanish people had an unfavorable or completely unfavorable opinion of Jewish people. Another interesting finding is that antisemitism was more prevalent in the political left than it is on the political right – 34% of those on the far right said they are hostile to Jews, while 37.7% of those on the center-left were hostile to Jews.
          The Outburst of Dutch Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israelism
          One-third of Germans: Israeli and Nazi policies similar
          12 percent of Norwegians harbored strong anti-Jewish prejudices
          The Jews emigration from France, Norway, Sweden, the alarm of the British Parliament are just don’t exist either.
          Yours is a post rank with bigotry
          Yours is a post rank with whitewashing anti-Semitism

        • Oh, just do one, ignorant bigot. This is exactly what I often find in groups of ‘educated’ British ‘intellectuals’ holding impeccable ‘liberal progressive’ credentials.

  2. Labor is a Zionist party, too, Jon Stone. And Arabs can be Zionists, and everyone knows an Arab can’t possibly be right wing. After all, Arabs are Brown people! Even the white ones!!

    The Independent has been, and will always be, a Jew hating, America bashing, Israel dumping joke of bird cage lining paper. And Jon? Just another hack. Nothing special there.

    Fucking pieces of American Jew bashing shit….

      • Err, did you read the article?:

        “Herzog has a version of Ed Miliband syndrome: the smart scion of Labour aristocracy who just doesn’t look like a prime minister”

          • Simple. I suggest you change your story when your original observation is proved false. And so it is.

            And anyway the election is on the 17th March…lets see if that’s true.

            • My origianl observation is that most Israelis dont want Herzog as pm . What is false about that I wonder. If you knew anything about Israeli poilitcs which you dont you would know that even if Herzog will win he wont be able to form a goverment.

              • No, your original observation was an attack on Freedland. Let me quote your own words back to you: “Freeland just cant grasp it that Israelis dont want to replace Netanyahu becuase they dont want Herzog as priminister.”

                Then when I showed you that that was EXACTLY what Freedland was saying you tried to weasel out of it by trying to change your point. But that’s the trouble, you see, when you post on line, your words are there for all to see.

                • The trouble with you piece of …. is that you are here to tell Jews what to say and judge and what not.
                  Now you poor idiot denied that Jews were under the murdered cartoonists, and when refuted kept bragging about religious and nonreligious Jews, you defined antisemitism as confined to religious Jews, you abused our murdered relatives to allege us the abuse of them and more.
                  After displaying your antisemitism so frankly you still believe you can lecture Jews, you piece of …?

          • For the sake of some fun I read Freedland’s article. It is simply unbelievable the stupidity and ignorance he is demonstrating by publishing it.
            Some examples:
            If we do not come to an agreement with the Palestinians, our ability to retain our economic success almost disappears, Yair Lapid, the outgoing finance minister and leader of the Yesh Atid party, told me at his regular corner table in a Tel Aviv cafe.
            Lapid who is an empty headed TV celeb without even a general education certificate and a multimillionaire whose only security experience is his military service as a desk-jockey at the Army Radio – doesn’t know that our economic success is mainly the result of Netanyahu’s economic policy? His ministry and activity was so successful that his party’s 19 mandate two years ago went down to less than 9.
            The complaint against Netanyahu is not that he has failed to make peace or solve the problem – most know how hard that it is. It is that he offers no political horizon at all, merely an everlasting status quo.
            This is Freedland’s and his failed friend’s complaint only – about 80% of the Israeli Jews say that at this moment of US weakness, Iranian threat and ME turmoil the only option is to wait.
            Some insist such worries are the preserve of the elite.
            This “some” is the huge majority of the Israeli Jews.
            And finally Freedland’s best:
            Labour only has to edge a single seat ahead of Likud for Netanyahu to be finished.
            If Freedland had the slightest knowledge about the options maybe he would know that according to recent polls, even if Labour had one or two more mandate than the Likud, the center and right wing bloc has a very big majority and the biggest component of this bloc is the Likud so the single seat what he’s babbling about is completely irrelevant regarding the premiership.
            The article is a laughably ignorant opus of a laughably ignorant asshole. Typical Guardian…

            • “The article is a laughably ignorant opus of a laughably ignorant asshole”

              Fair opinion.

              But do you think it is anti-Semitic? (or as you said in your previous post “relevant only to his Israel/Jew-hating fan club”?)

              • But do you think it is anti-Semitic?
                No it is a cheap and ignorant anti-Israeli propaganda crap masquerading as some kind of informed analysis.
                ….or as you said in your previous post “relevant only to his Israel/Jew-hating fan club”?
                Who else would take it seriously Dinkle but your kind?

            • Peterthehungarian.
              See my comment above about people not understanding anything really. Al Guardian and Al Independent write what all already know. Nothing. Then realize that there are revolving doors at Al Guardian, The BBC & Amnesty.
              The Left likes to bitch about politicians going from MP to lobbying/industry, yet they follow the Leftists equivalent.

            • Peter.
              I completely disagree with your praise of Bibi’s economic model. There is a 20% poverty rate in Israel, with rock bottom wages that fail to afford a decent living. Political big wigs feed themselves at the trough ( how does Barak afford ‘these’ apartments? When did he ever make millions of $$ to pay these prices ? Olmert ? ).
              Please take a walk through South Tel Aviv and similar suburbs ( Ofakim…. ) and tell me about “economic success”. Bibi and his kind have shafted large sections of the population. Although I grant you, Israel’s bureaucrats have much to do with the malaise.

              • Netanyahu ruthlessly reformed the economy and undoubtedly weakened the poor. Maybe he should have done it more slowly?
                There is a 20% poverty rate in Israel, with rock bottom wages that fail to afford a decent living. Bibi turned Israel into a free-market economy too quickly with its every disadvantages and social problems. The situation of this 20% is not worse than in any other capitalist country – see the USA, France and Italy. For alternatives see Spain, Portugal and Greece.
                Please take a walk through South Tel Aviv and similar suburbs ( Ofakim…. ) and tell me about “economic success” Sorry but the economic success of a country is not measured by the existence of poor areas (btw most of them are the remainders of the Mapai era.) I’m living in one of the so called development towns – fifteen years ago it kept the record of the number of jobless – today a success story with an ever expanding population. The reason: The build of a very good, cheap and effective educational system, the invitation of middle class professionals the support of new workplaces (a big part hitech) and the huge government support – under Bibi.
                Please take a walk around Naples or any South-Italian town…

              • Political big wigs feed themselves at the trough ( how does Barak afford ‘these’ apartments? When did he ever make millions of $$ to pay these prices ? Olmert ? ).Absolutely agree.

              • “There is a 20% poverty rate in Israel” – no, there isn’t. There is an economists’ utterly arbitrary definition of some abstract mathematical model called ‘poverty’.

                • Yes there is Leah.
                  There are far too many poor people in Israel. It is an outrage and antiZionist this f’ing poverty. Many of my friends are poor and find themselves unable to give their children the chances they would like to. Meanwhile Barak lives in some Miamiesque apartment in the middle of the city ? Where did he get the fucking money for that as a minister ? It is an outrage. It is corruption. These bastards take kick backs.
                  It makes people bitter. Parents whose sons take bullets for us in Aza can not give their kids a proper education. Scandalous!

                • Try reading slowly. I didn’t say there is no poverty. I said that the figure of 20% is sucked from the finger, and promoted by populist politicians.

                • James,
                  Leah may or may not look like a tool. You, on the other hand, are a tool, and a pretty useless one too!

            • “…….doesn’t know that our economic success is mainly the result of Netanyahu’s economic policy ”
              The real estate market is akin to early Manchester capitalism and forcing too many people to emigrate. There is no point being the ueberZionist and then fucking people over financially. Unless the plan is to replace poorer Sabra’s with wealthier Olim.

              • The real estate market is akin to early Manchester capitalism and forcing too many people to emigrate.
                The real estate market is a national catastrophe and must be reformed completely. But I don’t think that masses would emigrate due to the high real estate prices. I think that the problem is mainly in the center of the country – do you think that it is cheaper in the Great-London area?

                • Not everyone in Israel is convinced she or he must live in the centre of the country – which is all that these ignorant hacks know anythink about (and even then, not much).
                  Similarly, not everyone in Israel is convinced that a tiny country constantly at war simply must be as rich as Switzerland or else the world will end tomorrow.

                • Peter, it is not cheaper in London, but working within the EU affords people the possibility to save some money for other things, like travel, or a car or what ever. Costs are so high in Israel that nobody can save and improve their lot. That is the main gripe.
                  I love the Negev, and have spent nine months in the Arava and would have no problem living there. But for many Israelis living in the center is a must. I guess it is a cultural thing in the end. I also love the Golan and the northern hills, Dalton…..but if you have a family or seek work in fields where the jobs are some place else it is hard.
                  I’d move to the Golan tomorrow. Had enough of the center.

                • “But for many Israelis living in the center is a must.” – only in the same way that many Brits believe there is no life outside the M25. There is no ‘must’ about it at all, beyond some feeling of entitlement.

                • Peter, one of the biggest complaints of French migrants in the past few months is that there are simply not enough jobs in Israel.
                  Likkud’s lack of will and intention to rain down on the banking industry tells a lot.

                  The cost of living in Israel is not something reasonable.
                  A pack of bamba in the UK, made in Israel, costs far less than in Israel even after the export and transportation costs.

                  The current Israeli govt could not or would not (or both) work with each other from day one which lead us to the current situation.

                • Leah, (replying to Dani)

                  ““But for many Israelis living in the center is a must.” – “only in the same way that many Brits believe there is no life outside the M25. There is no ‘must’ about it at all, beyond some feeling of entitlement.”

                  Let me give you an example shall I?
                  My young brother is in IT.
                  Besides the near smallish Hi Tech centre (very small) the nearest one is around Nazareth or Haifa (quite a way away).

                  The one further away are all in Gush Dan.

                  Yes Leah, unless you want to sit all day drink arak and play sheshBesh on a small table with turkish coffee you need to move closer to Gush Dan, Haifa, Ashdod, Beer Sheva or Jerusalem!

                  If your lucky enough to get a government job in education or health, you’d be lucky to finish the month.
                  I’m all for private sector work but not by eliminating the accessibility to public sector services for those who cannot afford private schooling or private hospitals.

                  Last time I checked Slough is outside the M25 and housed the largest industrial estate in the entire EU.

                  There’s no point to compare the UK and Israel.
                  Try comparing it to countries closer to the Med if you must compare Israel to something other than Israel.

                • Peter, one of the biggest complaints of French migrants in the past few months is that there are simply not enough jobs in Israel.
                  Only a bit more jobs in Israel than you find in France. BTW have ever occurred by your socialist mind that these immigrants don’t speak Hebrew?
                  Likkud’s lack of will and intention to rain down on the banking industry tells a lot.
                  Interesting. Really it was a long time age I heard this kind of bullshit. Exactly the Likud (Netanyahu’s) strict limitations of the banks’ irresponsibility is the cause that all bank tycoon support Herzog. I want to remind you that the Finance Ministry was in the hands if the highschool dropout Lapid and all of his efforts to ruin Israel;’s finances failed because Bibi fired him in time.
                  The cost of living in Israel is not something reasonable.
                  Yes Itsik people die on the streets of Tel-Aviv and in their new cars from hunger.
                  The cost of living in Israel is comparable to any W3estern country with the exception of Germany and Scandinavia.
                  A pack of bamba in the UK, made in Israel, costs far less than in Israel even after the export and transportation costs.
                  A bottle of English beer is cheaper in a Tel-Aviv bar than in London. It has nothing to do with the cost of living but with sales policy. But seems to me you prefer Bamba and living with the BBC, Sizer, Skynews and Galloway. I prefer Likud and pay a bit more for Bamba

                • i>Let me give you an example shall I?
                  My young brother is in IT.
                  Besides the near smallish Hi Tech centre (very small) the nearest one is around Nazareth or Haifa (quite a way away).The one further away are all in Gush Dan
                  You should tell your brother to buy a map of Israel or open Google Earth on his computer.
                  Huge (more than five thousand jobs) hi-tech centers North of Haifa (the list is not complete)
                  Migdal Haemek Karmiel, Misgav
                  Smaller hi-tech parks north of Haifa (less than two thousand jobs each), Kiryat Bialik Industry Park, Shlomi new Industry Center, Maalot.
                  I myself work in one of these, our IT dept is always looking for new employees as all of the others, there is not enough IT professionals in the area. If your brother can’t find a well paying job here then sorry to say so but he is either not good enough or he doesn’t want to find a job at all.
                  Yes Leah, unless you want to sit all day drink arak and play sheshBesh on a small table with turkish coffee you need to move closer to Gush Dan, Haifa, Ashdod, Beer Sheva or Jerusalem!
                  Say somebody who obviously hasn’t the slightest idea about Israe and its job market.

                  If your lucky enough to get a government job in education or health, you’d be lucky to finish the month..
                  Funny. I have two children and left my kibbutz fifteen years ago without an agora. My two sons both have MA from the TA University and the Hebrew University , I bought and fully paid a villa in a small town, my wife and me both have relatively new cars, every year spend a week in the French Alps in winter, and make one longer trip (last time in the USA) in the autumns. I never in my life worked in government jobs only as an employee at a private firm or as an independent contractor. Maybe because we both instead of whining about the price of bamba and denying the reality as your brother does we worked long hours very hard and didn’t expect anything from the public coffers.

                  There’s no point to compare the UK and Israel.
                  Correct. Israel’s economy is much healthier than the UK, relative to the population much more high-tech and start-ups not to mention foreign investments. While the UK economy is profiting hugely from financial transactions in the City, Israel’s economy is based on innovations, hi-tech and chutzpah.

                • “unless you want to sit all day drink arak and play sheshBesh on a small table with turkish coffee you need to move closer to Gush Dan, Haifa, Ashdod, Beer Sheva or Jerusalem”
                  – utter crap. I know people who have a decent life in Eilat and Tiberias.

    • Freedland’s thoughts about the Israeli elections are relevant only to his Israel/Jew-hating Guardinista fan club. His knowledge of Israel is equal of my knowledge of the coming elections at the British Beekeeper Association.

  3. I just had a look at Jon Stone’s Twitter. The man is a Leftist-pussy. No real surprise here. On par with those antisemitic LSE Dames from the other day. Only a little bit older. Not surprised he blocked Adam.

    • If I was a French Jew, I would certainly be ‘looking around’ to see what my options were outside of France. But, let’s not compare this to German Jews in the 1930’s yet. The French government says that it will protect French Jews. It says that it values the Jewish contribution to the development of France. Hardly comparable the Hitler’s early years in power in Germany.

      • Meanwhile the French government by voting for the establishment of a Palestinian state without a peace agreement openly supports the elimination of the Israeli Jews. Regarding the value of their promise to protect the Jews of France – the results are clear – Toulouse and the Paris supermarket. The problem is that today in an European country with very rich antisemitic traditions the Jewish citizens need special protection at all. The French government is interested only in keeping their political and economic influence in Africa and the Middle-East and prevent their own financial collapse as a result of irresponsible and populist economic policy and uncontrolled immigration. Protection of the Jews? The word “lip-service” comes to mind…

        • the French government by voting for the establishment of a Palestinian state without a peace agreement openly supports the elimination of the Israeli Jews.

          Oh please. That’s just crazy.

          It does no such thing!

      • I did not write or mean that France is the Third Reich.

        However, when France begins to post three soldiers ( 24/7) at a time in front of Jewish premises across the nation Jews rightly are worried.

        The West is coming closer and closer to dealing with the Muslim threat the way Israel does. This I find terribly ironic ( like so much in this debate ) since Europeans often make fun of the Israeli security situation and the way it is handled in the daily Israeli routine.

        Ultimately, those on the Left supporting aggressive and antisemitic Muslims in Western countries will be faced with a backlash. Western gentiles may be antisemitic, but they are not prepared to have Leftists Muslims and Islamists take their violence onto Western streets. Frances Front National, UKIP, Swedish Democrats and others are gaining ground every month. The idea that “pressuring” the Diaspora and Israel into an unacceptable peace process through antisemitism and ‘direct action’ across the West will back fire. It opens the door to Leftist/religious Muslims and a routine which legitimizes antisemitic violence. This has a history which goes back to the student revolution days of the late sixties and early seventies. The German ‘Revolutionary Cells’ famously fire bombed an Jewish old peoples home in Munich murdering some of the seniors. They also took part in the Entebbe hijack where the German terrorists ‘selected’ Jewish passengers.

        What many people do not realize is that what we see today on the Left is a rehash of what happened in the 70s. There is open talk of how the lessons of that time are brought to effect today. Books are reread, actions are tweeked for todays political battle space. The Neue Zuericher Zeitung ran a very good series of articles recently covering the time when Arab terrorists brought death and terror to Switzerland. The dumb Palestinians ended up bombing the ‘wrong’ plane killing all those on board.

        Richard’s pieces about what goes on at UK universities are very important.

        I know this because my parents where part of that radical Leftist fringe which sympathized with the German Leftist terror during the 70s & 80s. Those panel discussions and talks at UK uni’s mirror precisely what went on across Germany in the seventies. I recall my father telling me that he would beat up Marxists who tried to disturb his academic university lectures at the Free University in West Berlin. He himself was a Marxist, but would not allow ‘direct action’ during his lectures. He basically beat the shit out of some of them in the lecture hall in front of his students. He would not be disturbed again. He was a big strong man then.

        Most of Germanys terrorists came out of precisely the millue which Richard covers. That is why I find his work fascinating and tow curling. The security services are aware of this. I would not be surprised if MI5 is either sitting in on these meets and/or
        copies his videos.

  4. “Likud Yisrael Beiteinu” might well be a sloppy cut and paste – but one that any editor of ME news should have caught.
    Saying the Israeli capital is Tel Aviv, however, is complete bollocks from the off – and deliberate at that.