BDS

Guardian article inadvertently demonstrates the malice of BDS


As we’ve often demonstrated, despite the best efforts of boycotters, Israel is thriving.  The economic impact of BDS on the state’s economy is extremely marginal.  However, not only do these facts about Israel’s success and resiliency fail to impress BDS activists, but they often seem breezily unconcerned with evidence suggesting that those most hurt by their movement are those they’re putatively attempting to help.

A recent Guardian report on the lay-offs of hundreds of Palestinians following the closure of Israeli-owned SodaStream’s West Bank factory, following a long boycott campaign, included an extraordinary quote by a BDS leader attesting to this indifference.

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Nawajaa’s reaction to the loss of hundreds of well-paying Palestinian jobs speaks volumes about the malice and ideological extremism of his movement.  The real-world impact of their campaign on the lives of actual Palestinians seems to make no difference to them whatsoever. 

Indeed, the ideals of peace and co-existence represented by the Jewish-Arab harmony on display at SodaStream are necessarily antithetical to BDS’s primary objective: demonizing, isolating and delegitmizing the Jewish state. 

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  1. Not only BDS is failing miserably, the movement also causes the Arabs from Judea & Samaria great damage. Ask the 500 Arabs that were forced to stop their work at Soda Stream because the factory moved from Ma’ale Edomim to Rahat. Now 500 Bedouins are working I/O the Arabs.

    • So you think that Palestinians losing their jobs is a better alternative than Palestinians working for an Israeli company? This, along with your nonsensical analogies (tell us, when and where were you when you last heard your posed argument) is why you’re considered a fucking joke, Steve. Oh, and is the primary reason why Palestinians are dying to murder Jews everyday.

      Ahhhh, BDSholes. So big. So wide. So full of shit.

    • “Lemme think”

      Bellend you claim to have acquired a new skill, thinking.
      Or are you still hoping that one day you will be able to think rather than just sitting there and licking the moisture off the windows with the other retards.

  2. “So you think that Palestinians losing their jobs is a better alternative than Palestinians working for an Israeli company?”

    The Israeli government certainly seems to think so.

    • No, they don’t, Steve. You want them to lose their jobs. And it’s not teh Joos making you think that way.

      Shit tossing monkeys have more brains and balls than you.

        • fella , you ask really stupid questions and at the same time you ask for time to think .

          With no respect whatsoever – you are not Jewish and you are not Black and you are not even Palestinian . I doubt you even left the docks at Craggy Island So your words are hollow . Like your mind .

          Anyway to answer your last stupid question – You are responsible for your own racism and anti Semitism

          Póg mo thóin and have a sweet day

          • An interesting bit of trivia. The Pogues originally called themselves Pogue Ma Hone, a kind of anglicised version of Pog mo thoin. Anyway John Peel was into playing their early stuff. He didn’t know what it meant. This truck driver called in and told him. This caused the BBC to ban them from the airwaves, so they changed their name.

        • Your handlers, Boy.

          See, Son, to be as flat out and stupid as you are, you have to allow the stupidest, most pathetic assmonkeys on the planet to control your thoughts.

          Seeing as how you have the same perspective of Israel and Jews as the Klan and Farrakhan do, well, that doesn’t speak well for you, does it?

          Trump seems to be your guy. He has gained the endorsements of both David Duke and the Nation of Islam. And there you have it.

    • The Israeli government certainly seems to think so.
      So the Israeli government is responsible for this huge BDS victory?
      But not only the Israeli government think so Bellamy, the Palestinians think exactly the same.
      Or do you think that this fellow is a member of the Israeli government?
      Mudar Zahran ‎@Mudar_Zahran
      #BDS wins a shutdown of SodaStream, last Palestinian worker laid off. Will BDS offer jobs to 600 Palestinian factory workers now unemployed?
      1:55 PM – 1 Mar 2016
      Everybody knows that you and comrades don’t give a flying felafel about the Palestinians’ well-being and would send them to fight the Jews to the last drop of Palestinian blood but this newest demonstration of this fact won’t hurt.

    • BDS knowingly lost 600 families their income, more concerned with their principles than with the good of the people.
      Israeli bureaucracy lost 75 of these families a prospect of keeping their jobs.

      And you, and BDS are crowing about victory.

      Some friends are not worth having

  3. It bears repeating: if you are interested in Palestinian Arabs when Israel is involved but in no other circumstance, you are not pro-Palestinian but anti-Israel.

  4. To be fair, I think part of the point is that Palestine would have an independent economy of its own if it hadn’t been subjected to 40 years of illegal military occupation. To say that these days the occupation benefits the Palestinians is a bit specious.

    BDS is a bad idea for a whole host of other reasons, but the mere fact that it has a cost seems obvious and not necessarily a drawback.

    • You bring up an interesting point, Gabriel. In actuality, the Palestinians could have had their own state in either 2000 or 2008. Considering how most of today’s attackers are between 12-16 years old, that doesn’t speak well for the decision making of Palestinian leadership unless their goals were to destroy their own future for sake of ridding the world of the sovereign nation of Israel.

      Seems like there’s a lot of evidence painting my picture. Your evidence is lacking, because it hasn’t 40 years of occupation. If you speak to MOST Palestinian supporters, they’ll say it’s about 70 years of occupation because all of Israel is occupied. But let’s go back to your point and say that, 40 years ago, when Israel beat the crap out of 5 warring armies in 6 days, that this sealed the poor fate of the pitiful Palestinians.

      And yet Israel still offered them a state in 2000 and 2008, both offers summarily rejected without a counterproposal.

      That’s a bit awkward for your analysis, and yet fully supported by history.

        • They want a state from the river to the sea but don’t want a state whose land doesn’t include the whole historic Israel. They even don’t make a secret of their intentions.

        • Well, they rejected the state offers in 2000 and 2008, and now have resorted to training their teenaged kids to stab Israelis walking on the street. You tell me.

            • We did in Uganda. And what does that have to do with the Palestinian Arabs of today? Are we still on the 40 year Occupation or is it 70 years old? I guess, really, it should be 110 year old Occupation since Herzl was offered Uganda, yes?

              This is how you make a mess out of things. Stick to the topic, or at least be honest about the topic.

              My guess if you think the topic should be all efforts at Jews to obtain and maintain autonomy. There’s a need for this autonomy, Gabriel. It’s called The World Has Been Persecuting Us for 3000 Years But Not Really Any Longer, Huh?

              • I was sticking to the topic. You expressed a (legitimate) view that a people, once it declines an offer of statehood, indicates that it does not desire statehood.

                But I’m confused about why you think that applies to the Palestinians but not the Jews. Both nations have declined specific offers of statehood in the past.

                In fact, the Palestinians very clearly *do* want statehood, as is obvious from the fact that they have asked the United Nations to recognise them as a state. That would be very odd and eccentric behaviour for someone who didn’t want statehood (almost as odd as if, say, I applied for a job I didn’t want, or bought a car when I didn’t want a car).

                • The problem with your analysis is that I don’t think the Palestinians in general have forfeited their right to a state. Even Bibi will discuss the 2000 and 2008 parameters as those logical for a new Palestinian state.

                  What I’m claiming is the Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a state. They want a war with Israel, not a nation for themselves. That’s more than evident by their actions when rejecting the state and since.

                  So, to repeat, if the Palestinians can get over the “insult” of accepting all of Gaza, 97% of WB + remaining 3% land mass from current Israel + Money in return for no more war against Israel, then they can, indeed, be on track towards obtaining their autonomy.

                  • OK. So my question is, if the Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a state, why are they going round asking the UN etc. for statehood? That doesn’t seem consistent.

                    • Because they’re bashing Israel.

                      I don’t think eliminating Israel is the best way to attain autonomy, but apparently the Palestinian leadership does.

                      I appreciate your interest in the Zionist thought process. Remember, Gabriel, no matter what you think, Israeli leaders really have made peace overtures, and the Palestinian leaders really rejected them w/o a counterproposal. As confusing as that sounds, it is accurate.

                    • “So my question is, if the Palestinian leadership doesn’t want a state, why are they going round asking the UN etc. for statehood? That doesn’t seem consistent.”

                      Gabriel, if the Palestinians want a state bad enough to train their youngest, most impressionable children to murder and maim Jews, shouldn’t they have at least provided a counterproposal to the 2 legitimate state offers made during the past 16 years?

                      Why do you avoid this line of reasoning? Is it because you choose to argue rather than find solutions?

                      Cool, man. Cool.

                    • You still haven’t answered my question. OK, they haven’t provided a counterproposal. But that clearly doesn’t mean they don’t want a state: if they didn’t want a state, they wouldn’t be going round the world requesting statehood. That seems obvious to me?

                    • How do you know the Palestinian leadership wants to live in peace with Israel? Because they say so but are afraid to back it up with commitment?

                      Do you deny that Abbas incited his people to kill for Al-Aqsa? That’s my answer for the past 6 months while you’ve been clamoring about Occupation being the key.

                      I guess some of us are interested in the book, while others are willing to watch the movie. Still more (Stevie and Miranda) would rather play YouTube snippets.

                      One of us is more educated than the others, and I’m going to say (as that guy) it’s because I’m willing to go deeper than you three combined when it comes to identifying the issues as well as seeking the solution.

                    • Gabriel, I speak as a guy who supported the Oslo Accords. This meant supporting the process that actualized into the Accords, including Rabin’s handshake with Arafat. At that point, Gabriel, I was willing to accept anything for peace. And yet that sack of poo rejected the overtures and started a war less than 16 months later by attacking our pizzerias, buddy.

                    • You haven’t answered any of my questions other than proclaiming I said something I most definitely did not.

                      What you’re saying is that you don’t have a point and nya-nya-nya-nya.

                      Cool, man. Right on.

                      Way to go, Bro.

                      I could go on, but really…. Why?

            • By the way, I still believe the Palestinians should have their own state. Another example of how your well thought out Uganda point is nothing but a diversion.

              Which, you know, is cool.

                • It’s an odd situation. I don’t think Palestinians should have statelessness because their leaders are greedy assholes willing to allow others to keep murdering in order to stay in power of the powerless. But that’s the reality, and so they can’t have a state because not only are they ill equipped (for wanting to murder everyone around them) but their leaders aren’t doing anything to help them become a sustainable people.

                  Maybe you’re new to this line of thinking…. Which, again, shows how Western Media really doesn’t have any answers, especially when the answers are stand right there in front of you.

                    • Bellend you are in a hole but please carry on digging.
                      I am more than happy to watch you continuously bury yourself with the tripe you post.

                    • Keep digging, says Stevearino.

                      Suicide bombers leads to the wall…. Keep digging Steve.

                      Mavi Marmara carries knife wielding psychofucks…. Keep digging Steve.

                      Hamas shoots 10,000 missiles over 50 days at sovereign Israel…. Keep digging Steve.

                      Teenagers die stabbing Israelis in the streets because Hamas and Abbas both incite them to do so… Keep digging Steve.

                      Yes, folks, the BDS movement in a glory hole nutshell.

    • FYI – Some think that the Jewish settlements are illegal but nobody considers the military occupation itself illegal.
      Regarding the assertion that they would have an independent economy – enough to see the economy of any Arab country without natural resources like oil. And yes Webber if you had a couple of billion more brain cells maybe you wouldn’t write these amazingly stupid posts and if granny had wheels she would be a heavy truck or an autobus.

      • “Nobody considers the military occupation itself illegal” – I mean, that’s just so obviously not true I can’t quite tell whether or not you’re being serious.

        “Regarding the assertion that they would have an independent economy, enough to see the economy of any Arab country without natural resources like oil” – Israel doesn’t have natural resources like oil, yet does OK, so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.

        “And yes Webber if you had a couple of billion more brain cells…” – ah, and now we’re back in your more familiar territory of using personal attacks as a substitute for rational argument. It feels good to be home🙂

        • Webber you should try to learn the most basic stuff about a subject before commenting on it. Militarily occupying an area after winning a defensive war is completely legal. Or the Allied occupation of half of Europe was illegal according to your learned opinion?
          Israel doesn’t have natural resources like oil, yet does OK, so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.
          Of course you don’t understand Webber. The reason is that you are a moron who doesn’t know the fact – well known by everybody else – Israel is not an Arab country but a Jewish one.
          …as a substitute for rational argument
          You must be totally stoned believing that I want to argue with you. This would be like arguing with an haredi rabbi about the laws of thermodynamics or arguing with a hyena about the advantages of being vegetarian. I’m not arguing with you at all but making fun of a textbook example of an ignorant and self-righteous nobody called Webber who feels some irresistible push to teach others about things he himself knows exactly nothing.
          I know Webber – COOL!

          • “Webber you should try to learn the most basic stuff about a subject before commenting on it.” – just arbitrary abuse, doesn’t require a response.

            “Militarily occupying an area after winning a defensive war is completely legal.” – the acquisition of territory by military conquest is illegal (as ruled by the UN Security Council, which has the authority to issue resolutions binding in international law under the UN Charter to which Israel is a signatory)

            “Or the Allied occupation of half of Europe was illegal according to your learned opinion?” – I didn’t say that all occupation is illegal. There are some circumstances in which it is proportionate and justified, for example the short-term Allied occupation of Europe in a war of survival. The same considerations do not apply to Israel’s 4-decade occupation and economic exploitation of Palestine.

            “Of course you don’t understand Webber. The reason is that you are a moron” – just arbitrary abuse, doesn’t require a response.

            “…who doesn’t know the fact – well known by everybody else – Israel is not an Arab country but a Jewish one.” – I did actually know that (obviously). Are you saying that Arab countries are innately less good at economic development than non-Arab countries? That seems to be nothing but racist stereotyping if so. The Jews have been victims of racist stereotyping in the part so it seems particularly perverse for you to engage in it now.

            “You must be totally stoned believing that I want to argue with you.” – And yet you do kind of seem to be arguing with me…

            “making fun of a textbook example of an ignorant and self-righteous nobody called Webber” – just arbitrary abuse, doesn’t require a response.

            • As I said I won’t argue with idiots only a couple of pearls of your wisdom: …for example the short-term Allied occupation of Europe in a war of survival. The Allied occupation of Germany ended in 1990 – after 35 years.
              Are you saying that Arab countries are innately less good at economic development than non-Arab countries? That seems to be nothing but racist stereotyping if so. This is a fact Webber as everybody who has the slightest idea about the economic development of the different cultures of the world knows. You call it stereotyping – I call this knowing the basic facts.

              • “As I said I won’t argue with idiots only a couple of pearls of your wisdom” – And yet you do seem to be engaging in an argument with me (although admittedly I’m not an idiot so your rule wouldn’t apply to me).

                “The Allied occupation of Germany ended in 1990 – after 35 years.” – No, it didn’t, it ended in 1949 with the creation of the independent, democratic state of West Germany in which all German citizens had full civil rights including electing their own government.

                “This is a fact Webber as everybody who has the slightest idea about the economic development of the different cultures of the world knows.” – [citation needed]

                • ” “The Allied occupation of Germany ended in 1990 – after 35 years.” – No, it didn’t, it ended in 1949 with the creation of the independent, democratic state of West Germany in which all German citizens had full civil rights including electing their own government. ”

                  One of the Allied powers that occupied Germany was the Soviet Union. Are you seriously claiming that their occupation of a part of Germany ended in 1949 with the creation of West Germany, which was only a part of occupied Germany?
                  Are you claiming that all German citizens, including those in that part of occupied Germany known as the GDR, had full civil rights?

                  Webber you need to reconsider your claim that you are not an idiot, as I have yet to see any evidence to substantiate it.

                  • East Germany wasn’t a Russian occupation, it was a satellite state born in 1949.

                    “Webber you need to reconsider your claim that you are not an idiot.” – You can be as rude as you like, it still doesn’t make you right.

                    • “East Germany wasn’t a Russian occupation, it was a satellite state born in 1949”

                      Really Webber?
                      You are obviously an incurable idiot who wasted his time at University at tax payers expense.

                      Webber you are not only an idiot but a pompous one as well.
                      You may regard that statement as rude, but even if it is, it is still true.

                    • So Webber when you are unable to refute any posts, you fall back on what you consider to be an amusing reply.

                      What a pathetic creature you truly are.

                    • You didn’t make any point to be refuted in the post to which I was replying. All you said was, “Really Webber?” OK, I’ll refute it: ‘Yes, really.’ There. Enjoy🙂

                    • Webber perhaps you would like to explain to the victims and their families of the June 1953 uprising in the GDR that the T34 tanks of the Soviet Union, used to crush the uprising, were just passing by and not part of the armed forces of the Soviet Union occupying the GDR at that time.
                      Perhaps you could try one of your feeble attempts at humour.

                    • Webber, if you ever learn to read, you will note that I wrote “.Webber when you are unable to refute any posts, you fall back on what you consider to be an amusing reply.”
                      Not a specific post, any posts.

                      Your attempts to select and then answer the selected portion of a post are like your attempts at humour, a dismal failure.

                • No, it didn’t, it ended in 1949 with the creation of the independent, democratic state of West Germany in which all German citizens had full civil rights including electing their own government.
                  As the Palestinians could elect their own government if the PA and Hamas would let them. BTW it seems to me that they forgot to tell this to the US military policemen who checked my passport in Berlin at the Friedrichstrasse S-bahn station in 1986.
                  And now the facts Webber:
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany
                  Despite the grants of general sovereignty to both German states in 1955, full and unrestricted sovereignty under international law was not enjoyed by any German government until after the reunification of Germany in October 1990.
                  You must be an extremely lucky fellow – even extreme stupidity won’t cause physical pain.

    • “I have a view about BDS but you don’t know what it is.”

      Quite right Bellend. I don’t know what your views about anything are.
      Based on the garbage you post I don’t care whether you have any views or what they are, frankly I doubt that you have the intellectual capability to form a worthwhile or interesting view about anything.

      Now be a good retard and take your keyboard back to PCWorld so they can clean the drool off it.

        • Bellend if you want to start asking questions, you had better be prepared to start answering them as well.

          Now there are a number of questions I put to you over the last few months which you have not, as yet, attempted to answer.
          Are you now going to answer them?
          If not, stick your own questions up your arse! (Assuming of course that even a retard such as yourself can find his own arse.)

    • Bernie Sanders got my vote. But that’s because I’m a Jewish Supremacist.

      Notice how Farrakhan endorsed Trump for not taking any of that “Jew Money,” but he didn’t endorse Sanders because he’s, obviously, Jewish?

      Liberal Yiddish politics is the hippest thing in USA.