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The Truth Will Always Triumph…Well Except on “Comment is Free”


Check out these four deleted comments by truthtriumphs on the Simon Tisdall thread from last week.

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I mean what is the point of participating in the discussion if the pro-Israel viewpoint is to be  consistently deleted by the Guardian’s anti-Israel moderators?

The evidence mounts….

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  1. Oh he committed two cardinal Cif Sins

    1) He alluded to European guilt for the Holocaust.

    In CifWorld, the Holocaust was the product of German corporate exploitation and racism. Not the culmination of 2000 years of European antisemitism and complicity with evil bullies who came and went as they pleased the mob.

    1) The Mufti violation

    On Cif it ist verboten to mention Husseini Al Hajj. Thus suggesting that Muslim Arabs had anything to do with the German X-tian racist corporate Holocaust.

    Of course not only did the Mufti like Hitler and was an antisemite even the Nazis were making faces at at the time, he was among the instigators of the final solution. He led an SS division comprised of Muslims who killed and burned Jews and Gypsies throughout the Balkans and Hungary.
    He visited the Auschwitz complex and planned a death camp of similar design near Nablus to deal with Zionist Jews and Jews deported from lands Rommel was to conquer. Rommel failed and later plotted to kill Hitler, the Nablus plans were shelved ….history.

    Rommel despised the Mufti and considered him a mass murdering fanatic.

    The Mufti was also the only major war criminal who escaped prosecution and who managed to continue his political career after having been exposed by Nazi witnesses at the Nurember trials as a willing and influential collaborator.
    This guy was probably the only war criminal guilty of crimes during the holocaust and the Armenian genocide during which he served as a field officer and “spiritual leader”. He also instigated the Hebron Massacre two decades before the holocaust.

    On Cif, he must not be mentioned because he disturbs the GWV more than any other figure. He turns upside down the Israel are Nazis narrative, completes the link between Islamism and Fascism.

  2. It seems to be getting more unbelievable by the day.

    Of course, it makes any serious comment there a waste of time.

  3. Oh my, armaros, you’ve been far too easy on the Britain’s old boy Haj Amin.

    Haj Amin also:

    – designed the Einsatzgruppe Ägypten which was to implement genocide in the Mideast and North Africa
    – instigated the murderous farhud which reminded the Jews of Iraq to stay in their place as dhimmi
    – was convicted by Yugoslavia as a war criminal for his collaboration in genocide in the Balkans
    – was never indicted by Britain (which denied the Yugoslavian request for extradition)
    – was hired by British intelligence for its Arab News Agency.

    Far from being unrepresentative of Palestinians, historian Epeleg confirmed that “Haj Amin’s popularity among the Palestinian Arabs and within the Arab states actually increased more than ever during his period with the Nazis.”

    Edward Said confirmed that “Hajj Amin al-Husayni represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, had the backing of the Palestinian political parties that functioned in Palestine, and was recognized in some form by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people.”

    Of course, Haj Amin also murdered more moderate rivals for Palestinian leadership.

    An extremist Palestinian murdering more moderate Palestinians. Sound familiar? Plus ça change …

  4. Yesterdays Jews had it coming to them??????????

    Of course this would be deleted. I genuinely dont get why the fuss?

    The second one is less clear.I think mentioning the Palestinian Nazi should be OK on CIF… provided it is on topic.

    The third one I have no problem with either…they would just be fed up of his off topic rants .I think the moderators are busy chappies…there are hundreds of posts they have to make split second decisions..they dont always get it right.

  5. armaros

    European guilt for the Holocaust.

    Those of us Europeans whose parents were the first to volunteer to fight Hitler and who live in a country with little history of anti Semitism feel no guilt whatsoever,Why would we?

  6. a country with little history of anti Semitism

    I remember Berchmans having been presented, on CiFWatch, with documentary evidence of his error – yet he continues to ignore reality. Isn’t there a formal name for such psychiatric dysfunction?

  7. I remember Berchmans having been presented, on CiFWatch, with documentary evidence of his error – yet he continues to ignore reality. Isn’t there a formal name for such psychiatric dysfunction?

    The obvious one is denial. The rejection of unpalatable realties because they are too disturbing to an idea of self, and its corollary, the seeking out of evidence to support your own conclusions and the rejection of others that threaten them. The power of the latter is considerable, as anyone with insight into his own shortcomings will recognise. Other categories are cognitive ethnocentrism and narcissism, where the assumption is made that because you think in the way you do, other people and peoples do the same. Though not a psychiatric category, the latter is a form of unreason and is deeply patronising, for it hides a profound scorn for the thoughts and actions of others by removing their autonomy and agency.

  8. Toko LeMoko

    a country with little history of anti Semitism

    I remember Berchmans having been presented, on CiFWatch, with documentary evidence of his error – yet he continues to ignore reality. Isn’t there a formal name for such psychiatric dysfunction
    D’oh-ness?

  9. Abandon Hope,
    “European guilt for the Holocaust.

    Those of us Europeans whose parents were the first to volunteer to fight Hitler and who live in a country with little history of anti Semitism feel no guilt whatsoever,Why would we?”

    Like you my parents fought in WW2, although both were called up the same as the overwhelming majority in the UK, my Father in the Royal Navy and my Mother in the Army.
    I was born and brought up in Wales, a country with a history of welcoming strangers and Internationalism second to none, but has there and are there still cases of anti-semitism? Yes, to my shame, there has been and still are. You write about ‘little history’, if you are content to pat yourself on the back that because anti-semitism is less in Scotland than many other countries, then I can only assume that your level of tolerance for anti-semitism is different to mine. Unlike you I cannot sit back feeling smug and complacent. As long as there is ONE case of anti-semitism that is ONE too many and it needs to be vigorously opposed.
    As for feeling guilt, yes I do.
    Why? Because while individuals did a lot and acted heroically, I have no doubt whatsoever that the Government of the UK could have and should have done more. Read the messages that Frank Foley was sending back to London, they are available on the FCO website, if you need confirmation of this.

  10. Ye who enter here Abandon Hope

    He is a two-faced little Sxxx, who writes appalingly anti Israel posts on CiF and then tones it down on CiFWatch and hopes no one has noticed .than he denies outright in front of the facts ..here

  11. The trouble is that the posts cited have little to do with the principle of truth.

    OK, post no. 4 was OK and did not deserve deletion (assuming that quote is correct).
    The third post could be deleted on the grounds of offensive/personal abuse, claiming as it does that Ritournelle wants to see the elimination of Jews.
    Post no. 2 should not have been deleted in my opinion – even though it is laced with lies.
    The top post is deeply offensive – and if you can’t see or admit that then you have a serious problem.

  12. Epidermoid

    I remember Berchmans having been presented, on CiFWatch, with documentary evidence of his error – yet he continues to ignore reality. Isn’t there a formal name for such psychiatric dysfunction?

    That’s the bottom line. Isn’t it.

    Whatever evidence you present to him, out come the same slogans for the pathetically simple minded.

  13. Pretzelberg.
    According to you, I must have a serious problem because I cannot for the life of me see why that post is “deeply offensive”.
    So do, please, enlighten the simple minded amongst us who lack your perceptive insights.
    And while you are about it, please expain to us why post number 2 is “laced with lies”.

  14. Berchmans

    I think we already discussed this collective guilt thing.

    It isn’t about saying every European is guilty of the holocaust.

    BUT that there is a collective guilt on the part of all of Europe to various degrees in various parts.
    Hitler was supported by over 50% of the people of Europe at the time. He was also Time Magazine’s man of the year and was nominated for the Nobel Prize. All countries occupied by the Nazis had a healthy collaborator portion.
    All the countries who fought the Nazis had large segments who opposed the war and saw it as a war for Jews. This also applied to America where a good enough minority supported Hitler, opposed the war effort and blamed the war on the Jews.

  15. armaros

    BUT that there is a collective guilt on the part of all of Europe to various degrees in various parts.

    I’m sure you’ve heard the argument before, but still: how can I bear any collective guilt when I wasn’t born at the time? My parents? They were toddlers. My grandfather? Serving in the British Army.

    “Guilt” is the wrong word – we should instead be talking about “responsibility”, i.e. with a view to the present and the future and based on acknowledgement of the past.

    Hitler was most certainly NOT “supported by over 50% of the people of Europe at the time.” Where on earth did you get that stat from?
    And yes, he was once Time Magazine’s “man of the year” – but so was Ayatollah Khomeini! The title might be misleading, but the award is not necessarily connected to perceived virtuous achievements. So what’s your point?

    You are sadly correct that many (although all?) countries occupied by the Nazis had a healthy collaborator portion, but where is the evidence that e.g. Britain had “large segments who opposed the war and saw it as a war for Jews”??

    A “large segment” of a society would be at least a fifth IMO.

    p.s. Do you (unlike Tosca) see why that top post by truthtriumphs is deeply offensive?

  16. Pretzelberg.

    You’re not usually backwards in coming forwards, so why haven’t you answered my questions?

    Why was that post “deeply offensive” and where were the lies you accused tt of?

  17. Pretzel

    You are not guilty of the holocaust alright !

    Europe is collectively guilty as a geographic entity which, more often than not, succumbed to evil through moral corruption. You can attribute this to many things, no time or space enough now to list all the possibilities.

  18. Pretzel

    Add together the estimates of sympathizers throughout the continent, including of course Germany, Austria and the Axis and you will see a figure around and over 50%.

    In the UK, there were sympathizers, just like there are sympathizers today for Al Queda and Hezbollah and were for the USSR during the cold war.

    Churchill wanting to confront Germany was a minority view up until the invasion of Poland after which Britain went into war mode. Before that “Peace in our time” was the goal while many were aware of what Hitler was planning and were most surely aware of how he saw the world.

    “War for Jews” was something said often in America (Lindbergh, Kennedy) and throughout the continent as people either blamed Jews for the Germans invading their lands or blamed Jews for their nations going to war against Germany.

    Of course we heard the same song during Iraq and now around Iran.
    Today in France and Sweden Jews are blamed for” Muslim anger” and in America and Britain Jews are blamed for Muslim anger and “costing our lives” in foreign wars by significant minorities.

  19. JerusalemMite

    “Whatever evidence you present to him, out come the same slogans for the pathetically simple minded.”

    In 1946 in Dundee it was open season on women. Our brave lads coming home took out their frustration on their nearest and dearest.It was covered up and deemed unpatriotic to mention it. Men who are involved in extremes of violence have to be deprogrammed. It wasnt done then.Instead the women were assaulted .

    I bet mote Israeli women are beaten every day by their partners than any Jewish people have been injured in Scotland….ever. I have no statistics but it makes real good sense. Somebody fair like Israeli nurse.I bet she could provide evidence.

  20. @ Tosca

    As I said: clearly you have a problem if you can’t see why that top post is deeply offensive.

    But let’s be honest: you know what I’m talking about.

    The lies were about that odious scumbag the Mufti. He was a bad enough character without people feeling the need to make stuff up about him.

  21. @ armaros

    I can only repeat:

    Hitler was most certainly NOT “supported by over 50% of the people of Europe at the time.” Where on earth did you get that stat from?

    In the UK, there were sympathizers.

    Sadly yes – but what tiny fraction of the population were pro-Hitler?

    “War for Jews” was something said often in America (Lindbergh, Kennedy) and throughout the continent as people either blamed Jews for the Germans invading their lands or blamed Jews for their nations going to war against Germany.

    Lindbergh was indeed a sad case.

    But “nations going to war against Germany” seems to imply Britain, France and the US.

    Again I have to ask what tiny fraction of the populations blamed the Jews?

    These are very serious allegations you’re making, and I really think you need to provide some kinds of figures.

  22. ‘In the west saving the Jews came to be seen as a consequence of winning the war, the question of what happens if there were no more Jews to be saved was addressed only marginally.
    In the East, saving the Soviet Union and exporting revolution was paramount, moreover.. The international proletariat did not rise up against their masters.’

  23. Pretz.

    Come on now— you’re not usually a shrinking violet, so why won’t you spell out your objections to TT’s posts.?
    No, I have no idea what you’re talking about, so do tell us.
    As to the Mufti— why are you trying to downplay the evil of this man— what lies are you referring to?

    And the percentage of Germans supporting Hitler, where do you get YOUR figures from?

    If you have ever read Hitler’s Willing Executioners, you would educate yourself of the reality, as opposed to the land of wishful thinking you seem to inhabit.
    The Holocaust could never have happened without the active complicity of large numbers of German citizens—- just think about it.

  24. pedantpretzel,
    how about YOU coming up with some figures, after all you’re the one challenging the statement.
    Although once again we are certain to travel down that worn path of bullshit you so love to wallow in.

    What number below “50%” would satisfy you….and not lead you to question the statement.
    Naturally I would also like to know on what basis you chose the number, and have you provide some kind of figures to justify it.

  25. I referred above to “that odious scumbag the Mufti. He was a bad enough character …”

    Tosca now claims I was “trying to downplay the evil of this man”!

    Laughable, simply laughable.

    peter1

    Naturally I would also like to know on what basis you chose the number, and have you provide some kind of figures to justify it.

    I didn’t choose the number – armaros did!

    He said “Hitler was supported by over 50% of the people of Europe at the time” – which is obviously complete BS.

  26. Hello prezel, I think to transport the entire Jewish community from Salonika onwards, throughout all the sophisticated/cultural capital cities of Europe took more than a 50% of the people being complient.if you had a chimmney burning Jews and Roma and communists at the bottom of your road, I think you would have noticed something wasnt right. The one country that didnt comply in handing over their Jews was Turkey. They were one of the very countries that did not expell Jews during that period, but as for Europe,

  27. “The lies were about that odious scumbag the Mufti. He was a bad enough character without people feeling the need to make stuff up about him.”

    I am belatedly reading this thread and was looking for the lies about the Mufti of Jerusalem, I can’t see them.

    pretzelberg, precisely what lies were told about the Mufti?

    Please be as detailed as possible…

  28. modernityblog,
    asking the pedantpretzel to to be detailed is like grasping a greased pig….not only will you never succeed, you will never come up clean when its all said and done.

    pedantpretzel,
    You have yet to provide any reason to doubt the statement of amaros.
    The only obviously complete BS is what you’re providing.