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History Repeating Itself


This is a cross post by Matt of the The Brothers of Judea

I’m taking my own turn reading “Why the Jews?” by Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin, and it’s pretty interesting. This particular section that I felt is worthy of your attention is a section about “non-Jewish Jews”. Non-Jewish Jews are, according to Prager and Telushkin’s definition, Jews who are Jews in heritage alone, they don’t practice religious ceremonies, believe in God, or follow Jewish laws. What is remarkable about these Jews is that in their pursuit of acceptance outside Jewish circles, they often bring disaster on their fellow practicing Jews.

Prager and Telushkin point out that a lot of revolutionaries turn out to be Jewish (at least in Europe). Not a lot of Jews are revolutionaries, but a lot of revolutionaries are Jews. They’re not totally sure why this is the case, they think it has something to do with the belief that non-Jewish Jews keep looking for a community to replace the Jewish one they abandoned, and when they can’t find it, they seek to make everyone else just as community-less as they are. In any case, they give two examples of revolutionary non-Jewish Jews whose actions bring up pain and suffering for Jewish Jews.

First is the Bolshevik Jews of revolutionary Russia. Because so many of the Bolsheviks were Jews (i.e, Trotsky and Lenin), their enemies associated Judaism in general with Communism. So the anti-Communist Ukrainians considered all Jews their enemies and took steps accordingly, culminated in the deaths of 50,000 Jews in the 1918-20 civil war. On the other side, even though the Bolsheviks were led by Jews, those Jews didn’t like the practicing Jews either, as they were religious, something Communism rejected. The Russian Jews were stuck between a rock and a hard place because of these non-Jewish Jewish revolutionaries. The second example Prager and Telushkin cite is 1920s and 30s Germany. At the same time the Nazis were rising to power, non-Jewish Jew intellectuals were virulently criticizing the government. Many of them were part of the extremist revolutionary Left, and the Nazis used their disloyal speech and action to turn the German people more solidly against Jews in general. Once again, non-Jewish Jews bring down suffering on their estranged relatives.

I couldn’t help but think after reading this section that it’s happening again today with the I/P conflict. We see far-Left non-practicing Jews fiercely condemning Israel (and the United States), trying to overthrow the Israeli government/create a one-state solution, and believe so strongly in their own political ideals they are willing to ally with people who disagree with everything the Jews are. Such non-Jewish Jews include Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein and MJ Rosenberg. These people were willing to put their own beliefs, ambitions, and lust for attention before everything else, and they are (deliberately or not) putting their fellow Jews in danger. If MJ Rosenberg gets his wish and AIPAC is dissolved as a US lobby, and the Arabs invade Israel and destroy it because Israel can no longer prevent UN sanctions (a doomsday scenario to be sure), Rosenberg will be able to disappear into the US, shrugging his shoulders and saying “Oops”, while his fellow Jews have to pay the price.

We have to be on guard against these people. They claim they have our best interests in mind, but they’ve internalized their own ambitions so much they refuse to accept the possibility that what’s best for them isn’t necessarily what’s best for Israel.

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  1. so many of the Bolsheviks were Jews (i.e, Trotsky and Lenin)

    1. Lenin was not Jewish.

    2. There is little to no statistical evidence that the Bolshevik leadership had any higher a percentage of Jews than the general urban population.

  2. Matt

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    “Because so many of the Bolsheviks were Jews (i.e, Trotsky and Lenin), their enemies associated Judaism in general with Communism. ”

    And their friends…they also associated Judaism with Communism.

    It is now, for me, no surprise that Judaism …with its emphasis on education and literacy could produce people capable of understanding intricate aspects of sociology/ politics/ history / economics… who also had the presentational chutzpah to take on the whole world as the Bolshies did.

    As a teenager finding out that the influential thinkers of my life were Jewish was a revelation. I still think of Jewish folk as left wingers as indeed all my Jewish friends are. Maybe its different in the States.

  3. TokoLeMoloko

    You are correct, Lenin was not Jewish.
    But many of the Bolsheviks were partly because they did not ban Jewish members.

    Berchmans is also correct. Most Jews are left wing. Some more than others, as those who are “Non Jewish Jews” have contributed to communism by subconsciously building upon the communal altruistic nature of the Judaism they inherited from their families.

    I however would dispute the assertion that the persecution of Jews was due in large part to them being Left wing troublemakers . It is true that Nazis and other fascists used Jewish examples of left wing activism to agitate the masses but that libel (the notion that Jews are the origins of communism) was only an added item to the other more ancient antisemitic tropes of money, power, cosmopolitanism, debased morals and manipulative intent.

  4. I however would dispute the assertion that the persecution of Jews was due in large part to them being Left wing troublemakers

    I agree. Both European and Muslim persecution of Jews began millennia before the existence of socialism.

  5. @’Lenin was not Jewish’
    After Lenins death in 1924,the battle to succeed him took place among five men,Stalin,Bukharin,Trotsky,Kamenov and Zinoviev.The latter three were non-Jewish Jews’.

  6. ‘In Russia non Jewish Jews were so disproportinately represented in the less radical Menshevik wing of the Communist party that Stalin is reported to have said that with one large pogrom there would no longer be a Menshevik movement.Among the Bolsheviks there were fewer Jews than among the Menshaviks,though by 1922 they constituted 15 percent to 20 percent of the Bolsshevik leadership;’

  7. Justice for Mizrahim

    ” Both European and Muslim persecution of Jews began milennia ”

    You are surely not comparing them? l Avnery in his famous speech “every honest Jew knows that Islam protected us for 50 generations whilst the Christians tried to murder us every opportunity they got.” shows what a load of bunk that is.

  8. The myth of our “Moslem protectors” needs to be exploded. Read Bataween’s blog Berchmans to understand the true position of the Jew among Islam.

    Read too the story of Zuleika Chatwell, called Sol, a 17 year old Moroccan Jewish girl who was pressured to convert and eventually beheaded for refusing to change her faith. To this day the members of the family (variously transliterated) Chatwell, Hatuel, Hatchwell give their daughters the name Solica in her memory.

  9. Actually, in one respect the Chomsky crowd and those like him – I’m thinking of JStreet, for example – are worse than the Bolshevik Jews. The latter basically turned their back on their Jewish roots. Today’s crowd, while having no actual adherence to Judaism except the accident of birth, are the “as-a-Jew” crowd – “as-a-Jew I have the right to condemn Israel and all those other Jews for every sin under the sun”.

    Frankly, they disgust me more than the earlier crowd, specially since they only people they endanger are, in fact, Jews.

  10. htd-

    ‘Avnery in his famous speech “every honest Jew knows that Islam protected us for 50 generations whilst the Christians tried to murder us every opportunity they got.” shows what a load of bunk that is.’

    and how many jews now in nations across the mid east where up unitl revcently there has been millennia old communities? it ain’t just down to a desire to move to israel and it ain’t people being persecuted becasue of israel’s actions…

    http://www.projetaladin.org/en/muslims-and-jews/muslims-and-jews-in-history/history-of-the-jews-in-yemen.html

    (and it was, second reference today, ofra haza who brought this community to my notice). glad to find out that the uk has taken some yemenis seeking asylum.

    and i gather that the ‘orphan’s decree’ was misused to justify kidnapping and forced conversion of children.

    if there’s bunk to be had matey, it’s you who’s selling…

  11. Jews were also disproportinately represented in the The Communist Party of Great Britain,(CPGB) particuarly in the hierachy and leadership. The CPGB wanted a solid base within a working class community,Jews offered this, because they appreciated the partys principled stand against antisemitisim and were deeply drawn to the idea of creating a better world.’The CPGB was in Lenins eyes,one of the most important parties, as it could promote the anti imperialistic struggle from the heart of the British empire.’Things changed in 36 when the CPGB ‘demanded a halt to Jewish immigration into Palestine from Nazi Germany,many Jewish communities,while often not identifying with Zionisim per se, understood the attacks against the Jews in Palestine,in the context of attacks against Jews generally, raised the question of differentiating between Jewish national interest and the Kremlins line.Why should attacks on Jews be fought in Britain(antiFascists attack Mosley) but not in Palestine? The simplistic party line, was that Arab and Jewish workers should fight Zionisim,Arab Feudalism and British imperialism.The CPGB’S fight against Fascisim, thereby clashed with the Kremlins antiZionist policy.’..

  12. As Shindler writes’, If Mussolinis forces had been successful in September 1940 and entered Cairo,they would have been welcomed as liberators by the Egyptians,had it not been for the victory at El Alamein, SS Obersturmban fuhrer,Walter Rauff, would have ordered his Einsastzkommand to liquidate the Jews of Palestine,moreover, as in eastern Europe,the Nazis expected local participation in their actions’.In the west saving the Jews,came to be seen as a consequence of winning the war.The question of what happens if there were no more Jews to be saved, was only addressed marginally.In the East,saving the Soviet Union and exporting revolution was paramount,moreover, the international prolatariat did not rise up against their masters.The circle of the abandonment of the Jews was complete.There was now a profound choice for Jews and for anti colonial freedom fighters,in both cases,vested interest overcame other considerations,For the Jews, it was often a matter of life and death, an escape from systematic extermination.

  13. AKUS

    ” Chomsky et al .. worse than the Bolshevik Jews ”

    But these guys nearly changed mankind forever .They took a huge backward country and tried to establish a society free from manipulation by money people. The Russian Revolution was History’s most important event. Id be proud of them…generations ahead of the rest of the world.

  14. Berchmans “But these guys nearly changed mankind forever .They took a huge backward country and tried to establish a society free from manipulation by money people.”

    They didn’t bother to institute checks on their top people and allowed them to exploit and manipulate the whole system until corruption was rife and people starved and lived in misery. Talk to the people who had to live with the system and not those who admired it from afar.

    They were criminally careless in that.

  15. @Toko so no statistical evidence that the Bolsheviks,theMensheviks, or in indeed the Communist Party of Great Britain had a higher percentage of Jews than the ‘urban population’?

  16. margie-

    bang on.

    communism and fascism are things which work well in theory (unless of course you happen to be at the sharp end of their respective authoritarian hate-filled credos), but are complete arse when put into the real world where people are far more complex than any political theory can ever come to terms with.

    whislt i’m certainly no cheerleader for the fascists, it does seem that communist regimes have offed shitloads more people but never get called on it. or if they do they either don’t respond or give it the ‘ah….but it wasn’t real communism/socialism’ (as if they’d let nick griffin get away with some ‘but hitler wasn’t a real nazi’ bullshit).

    i say, terribly sorry folks. i appear to have had a bout of pottymouth on this post.

  17. Oh so someone believes fascisim would work better in theory than communisim? i wonder who that is?

  18. They took a huge backward country and tried to establish a society free from manipulation by money people.

    Okay, let’s just ignore the tens of millions they killed in the process.

  19. smtx-

    i’m sure that the supporters of both doctrines believe they would work in the real world….both are highly deluded. and of course the majority think they’re both a load of bollocks.

    glad you didn’t think i was a closet nazi… :o)

  20. @zoidberg, i reckon true socialisim came pretty close to the ideal in the kibbutz movement ..redistribution of wealth and shared ownership.But these ideals are always transitional,

  21. Justice for Mizrahim

    ” let’s just ignore the tens of millions they killed in the process.”

    After they were attacked by the most advanced countries in the world and all thier best radicals were killed ..then they degenerated ….as planned by the west

    Days of hope. Heres to the idea that people can reach their full potential. Thank goodness for the Jewish leaders who briefly held the flame.

  22. After they were attacked by the most advanced countries in the world and all thier best radicals were killed ..then they degenerated ….as planned by the west

    Days of hope. Heres to the idea that people can reach their full potential.

    Full potential? Do you mean the tens of millions of murdered people by your heroes? They certainly didn’t do everything to exploit their full potential.

    Berchmans getting overemotional you forgot that you should read the red booklet and not to swallow it.

  23. Judaists have some nerve calling non-believers of imagined super-beings in the sky “non-Jews”. As CIF itself comments, Jews have inheritable DNA. No religion there!

  24. Margie,

    You mean well, but Berchtesgaden is too stupid and too invested in his anti-Semitism to learn the truth. He will never acknowledge anything which shows Jews as anything but white subhuman oppressors of angelic brown people.

  25. What the fuck does “Judaist” mean, you idiot? If you mean Jew, say so. And if actual Jews, who take part in our religion, support the community, and raise our children to be good Jews, want to call someone a non-Jew, then butt the hell out. And, if you are (unfortunately for us) claiming to be Jewish yourself (God forbid), I would direct you to the Passover seder and the story about the Wicked Son.

  26. Irit, this Jake22 character shows who his own gods are – certainly not ”superbeings in the skies” which since they are arguably imbued with the ability to create and regulate this universe may be due some reverence, but instead, “CIF itself” which this blog has proved over and over is run by fallible and extremely prejudiced human beings.

    In other words, Jake22 is not worthy of being noticed.

  27. Irit, Judaist is the correct term for people who follow Judaism. If you would care to open a dictionary, you would understand this:

    –noun
    1.
    an adherent or supporter of Judaism

    Germolene, I meant CIFWatch. You are presumably a very angry Judaist who hates atheists, especially Jewish atheists, like the god-fearing imbeciles who penned this disturbing rant, “History Repeating Itself”.

    It takes a special idiot to believe in god and religion.

  28. And a bigger idiot to blame non-believers for all the troubles in the world. According to the writers at the Jokers of Judea, everyone who doesn’t believe in the pie-in-the-sky supreme being running sh*t is the real reason for Jews’ troubles. That smacks of a brand of antisemitism.

    You Judaists give Jews a bad name.

  29. Oh and Irit, you are a foul-mouthed, ill-tempered Judaist with a severe anger problem. You are a non-Jew, you non-Jew you!

    Retard.

  30. Germolene,

    Quite right. I have added this Wicked Son to the list of posters whom I simply skip.

  31. jakey-wakey-

    if there’s any fucking retard round here sunshine i think that the overwhelming concensus would agree that it’s you.

    ‘You Judaists give Jews a bad name.’

    and you give dickheads a bad name.

    jog on and have a nice day.

  32. zoidberg – ad hominum attacks are the hallmark of tossers with no facts. You and Irit would be happy together in a union under god.

    Quit living in the time of Moses and grow up instead of going ballistic at innocent people. I know it’s hard for Judaists to do, but please try to behave sensibly.

  33. If you are going to try to sound knowledgeable Jake22 for heaven’s sake do it properly otherwise you give posers a bad name.

    The words are ad hominem